Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Hi Wayne, When I built test equipment I would always put a LED and resistor in parallel with the fuses. If you saw a lit LED you immediately knew which fuse was blown. It works with AC or DC at just about any voltage as long as you size the resistors accordingly. A pretty neat trick to save troubleshooting time. Best regards, Andy In a message dated 9/6/2008 3:57:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Morning Andy, snip What I wanted to tell you, I have connected LED'S into 480, 3 phase voltage. These were indicators I needed for boiler and large motor control systems. A conventional lamp would have been safer I suppose, but would not last as long as the LED's. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
- Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ? Morning Wayne, Not sure if you are directing this at me? Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), it is 24Volt DC output. Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt AC MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on DC not AC. I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a bed. To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess). When I was older she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and then I would get it also. From this I always approach electricity with the back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she taught me that. There's a little 'story' as well. I know how dangerous mains power can be Wayne, don't worry about that. That lesson is well embedded in my mind and this is why I am doing my utmost to get a better understanding now, even if it is only 'piddly' DC. Would like to re-iterate, I am not sure if you are referring to me here, but if so...no disrespect or offence intended. I can't see how you would take this as either of those two anyway, but nevertheless I needed to say that. Neville. They almost need a driver transistor so they would be more effective with very low current flow, used to provide higher intensity and more current to the LED. I use my LED to reject water. If it glows at all with water alone, or more that a microscopic glow, the water is too conductive and contains something, I will not use it for making CS. What I wanted to tell you, I have connected LED'S into 480, 3 phase voltage. These were indicators I needed for boiler and large motor control systems. A conventional lamp would have been safer I suppose, but would not last as long as the LED's. I have some LED's that have lasted 25 years. Sooner of later, some monkey will come along that has the mind set that all LED's are connected to low voltage DC. How wrong can he be ? He may get a tingle and a shock, if he does not use his meter and realize that the monkey before him, may not think like he does. That was years before I became addicted to electrical safety. I suppose I should have used a transformer, and a very low value fuse. Or a warning sign that says,... Hey you nut ? Be careful with this LED ! Who would believe it anyway. The main point is, .. Be suspicious and cautious of all electrical circuits. The Resistor, the Diode, and the LED could all offer a shock, and kill you. One of the stupidest things I ever saw a man do, Was the safety officer at a large hospital. I stood right beside him and saw him try hard to get killed. He shook, quivered, and scared me half to death. His left hand was gripping the center support ( metal ) of a large cabinet. ( not a good thing to do under any condition ) His right hand gripped the end of a fuse that failed to come out of a fuse holder. No doubt his shaking and quivering caused the fuse to loose contact with the higher voltage in time How long does it take ? 1 second ? Actually much less. Survival Lessons exist every day, ... if you are lucky enough to get the lesson, and live thru it. Wayne = People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Hi Neville, I don't think you've got DC theory down yet and AC theory is already rearing it's ugly head for you. Safety first, though. 240VAC (that is, Volts [of] Alternating Current) is deadly; I was taught the One hand in your pocket rule regarding ANY high voltage. This tends to reduce the chance of passing electric current from one hand to the other through the heart; glad your mom survived! So; on to the mythical 24 volts DC from a wall-wart; Alternating Current is electricity that varies in a smooth (we hope) manner, over time, 50 or 60 times per second, with the voltage pushing it rising to a maximum value which is about 1.4 times higher than the stated value of, for instance, a positive 120 Volts, then sinking in value through 0 Volts, then proceeding smoothly until a minimum (i.e. maximum negative) value of about 1.4 times negative 120 Volts, returning through 0 volts again and so on. there is a difference of 240 volts electrical potential between the greatest positive ROOT-MEAN-SQUARE value and the greatest negative RMS value. Why the confusion factor of 1.4 times? (RMS?)? Aahhh, AC theory, that's why! If you were to simply use a Direct Current value of 240 volts (240VDC) between the supply and return electric lines there would be quite a bit more power available in the lines than there is when the AC voltage is at less than it's maximum positive or negative value for significant parts of the alternating cycle. To compensate - more or less [Bad pun, Bad!]- for this the electrical engineering wizards in their infinite mathematical wizardry calculated that upping the ante to 1.414141... times the nominal value for AC would give the same power carrying capacity that a DC supply at that nominal value would exhibit; simple, no? No. But there you are. There are some weird consequences to this hokey-pokey, one being that your 24VDC wall-wart can yield about 1.4 times its nominal voltage when it is very lightly loaded. More fun; Malcolm On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:33 +0930, Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ? Morning Wayne, Not sure if you are directing this at me? Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), it is 24Volt DC output. Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt AC MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on DC not AC. I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a bed. To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess). When I was older she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and then I would get it also. From this I always approach electricity with the back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she taught me that. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLED'S
Hi Garnet, Thank your for the useful info. The rabbit experiment has never been duplicated, and involved massive doses. It was clouding in the lens. I am curious about the short term intraocular pressures. Do the references you mention address that? TIA, JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:12 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSLED'S DMSO has been thoroughly tested for adverse ocular effects in humans since rabbit models did demonstrate an adverse effect. No adverse effects are reported in high primate models or in people using DMSO. Some have reported beneficial effects on various eye disorders. For more details see DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton Walker. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 23:56, Jim Holmes wrote: Have you considered intraocular pressure effects due to the osmotic action of the DMSO? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:37 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSLED'S Might consider DMSO CS eye drops. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:40, Marshall Dudley wrote: And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. an! d NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve __ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED'S
Re: CSLED'SFor eyesight problems I highly recommend Jacob Libermans's book 'Take Off Your Glasses and See' http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517886049/experiencer06-20?creative=125581camp=2321link_code=as1 If you buy the book using this link I will receive a commission from Amazon - just so you know. Paul H - Original Message - From: Christine Carleton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: CSLED'S Sally, In Chinese medicine EYES are related to LIVER, ANGER, soul growth and expression, and when there is a toxic build-up there can be a lot of SHOUTING in the personality - either loud outwardly or internal noise/self abuse. Some of the anger is loaded into us when we are very young by parents, teachers, caregivers etc., who 'shouted', and the anger still is locked in our cellular memory. I spoke with a 4 year old last weekend whose mother, father, and grandmother are 'shouters and controllers'. The wee girl had already decided that when she was a mommy, she would shout at her children. As her face skewed, it was like watching her articulate her proposed 'retaliation' against the 'abuse' she was experiencing in her 'million dollar' family. There are no social boundaries on these skewed energies. Then we wonder what happened to the 'kids'. Dah! Sometimes 'we are crazy'. Mainly, we are not observant. I would do some of the intestinal and later liver cleanses already mentioned on this line. The sympathetic Yang organ Gall Bladder could also use a cleanse cos it would be strained handling all the Liver's (Yin) overflowing anger. Also reflexology massage on the feet, especially the two toes next to the big toe (connected to the eyes) to stimulate the eyes. The liver organ will be indicated on any reflexology chart. The end of the liver meridian is on the inside of the big toe. Rub it too. The skin is our largest organ and can act like a trans-dermal patch with rapid uptake. It takes 20-21 minutes from contact to having the heart pump circulate a 'additive' (especially those of minuscule molecular size) throughout the bloodstream of the body. 'Toxic liver folks - controllers' often need proof. Try this. Peel a clove of garlic and squish it open. Don't let them touch the garlic. Put in under their bare big toe. Put a clock in their hands. Ask them to tell you when they TASTE garlic in their mouth. It will be well under 20 minutes. They will get the point. CS may not be as 'pungent' as garlic but the action of uptake into the blood stream is occurring thus starting the cleansing. I would soak the feet in CS daily or even twice a day, and massage the toes plus the corresponding points on the hands. If they have been into 'wholistic' for a while they might be able to stretch their mind around articular stimulation of the 'eye points' with the residue of CS that is on their hands after the foot/hand massage. Give it some time. Sometimes it's nice to be nice to one's self, and we grow to like ourselves better when we take care of ourselves. It starts to feel good. There's more than retina damage going on when observing from a wholistic perspective. Vision is not just sight as measured by an optometrist. Food for thought: Deepak Chopra said in a local conference '20/20 is effectively blindness - look beyond'. I have experienced significant changes in vision. After a car 'accident' with a whip lash I worked at 18 - 24 pt with double and sometimes triple vision. At that time I was 'challenged'. There were things in life I did not want to see. Now I believe there is 'no such thing as an accident'. It was all synchronistic and I created it totally even though his car wapped my stopped car and I was the 'victim' legally. I used EO's around my eyes for a couple of months, and now 8 years later (before CS) continue to work at 10 pt, single vision with out visual aid. It's not family DNA - all younger siblings and parents have glasses. It's just my experience and conclusions. My eyes go 'blurry' when I don't have a 'clear handle' on what is happening or I'm in denial. Observation - I developed 'black spots' when I was angry. Gulp! Could I be looking at life through 'rose coloured lenses?' You betcha! UGH! It comes in layers to be peeled away like an onion, and sometimes there are tears. To resolve the 'black spots', I had to deal with 'my emotional stuff' and redid oils for a week or so to dissolve my 'resistance'. Sometimes denial is the right place because it provides relief from the intensity of the situation, and a time to step back and regroup. I've also worked with sighted children who have been taught to 'see' with their hands when totally blindfolded. There are kids in Mexico who extended their sight to be able to play soccer while blindfolded. We can use more than one sense to 'see'. But that's another story. Christine
RE: CSLED'S
DMSO has been thoroughly tested for adverse ocular effects in humans since rabbit models did demonstrate an adverse effect. No adverse effects are reported in high primate models or in people using DMSO. Some have reported beneficial effects on various eye disorders. For more details see DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton Walker. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 23:56, Jim Holmes wrote: Have you considered intraocular pressure effects due to the osmotic action of the DMSO? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:37 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSLED'S Might consider DMSO CS eye drops. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:40, Marshall Dudley wrote: And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. an! d NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED'S- sunstaring??
At 01:03 PM 03/08/04, you wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. Even a newborn baby will instinctively protect its eyes from direct sunlight! What kind of idiot would do it deliberately is hard to fathom, but I remember a website where the owner offered classes in how to flay open your penis and/or tongue he did it - there were pictures. Both bits split down the middle. This kind of insanity comes under the heading of extreme masochism! Your manufacturer gave you a great set of inbuilt safety mechanisms - the best is: If it hurts and you keep doing it, you deserve the consequences. The laws of gravity can even seem harmless - for a time. Jump off a 50 storey building and it even feels good passing the first 49... Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED'S
Sally, In Chinese medicine EYES are related to LIVER, ANGER, soul growth and expression, and when there is a toxic build-up there can be a lot of SHOUTING in the personality - either loud outwardly or internal noise/self abuse. Some of the anger is loaded into us when we are very young by parents, teachers, caregivers etc., who 'shouted', and the anger still is locked in our cellular memory. I spoke with a 4 year old last weekend whose mother, father, and grandmother are 'shouters and controllers'. The wee girl had already decided that when she was a mommy, she would shout at her children. As her face skewed, it was like watching her articulate her proposed 'retaliation' against the 'abuse' she was experiencing in her 'million dollar' family. There are no social boundaries on these skewed energies. Then we wonder what happened to the 'kids'. Dah! Sometimes 'we are crazy'. Mainly, we are not observant. I would do some of the intestinal and later liver cleanses already mentioned on this line. The sympathetic Yang organ Gall Bladder could also use a cleanse cos it would be strained handling all the Liver's (Yin) overflowing anger. Also reflexology massage on the feet, especially the two toes next to the big toe (connected to the eyes) to stimulate the eyes. The liver organ will be indicated on any reflexology chart. The end of the liver meridian is on the inside of the big toe. Rub it too. The skin is our largest organ and can act like a trans-dermal patch with rapid uptake. It takes 20-21 minutes from contact to having the heart pump circulate a 'additive' (especially those of minuscule molecular size) throughout the bloodstream of the body. 'Toxic liver folks - controllers' often need proof. Try this. Peel a clove of garlic and squish it open. Don't let them touch the garlic. Put in under their bare big toe. Put a clock in their hands. Ask them to tell you when they TASTE garlic in their mouth. It will be well under 20 minutes. They will get the point. CS may not be as 'pungent' as garlic but the action of uptake into the blood stream is occurring thus starting the cleansing. I would soak the feet in CS daily or even twice a day, and massage the toes plus the corresponding points on the hands. If they have been into 'wholistic' for a while they might be able to stretch their mind around articular stimulation of the 'eye points' with the residue of CS that is on their hands after the foot/hand massage. Give it some time. Sometimes it's nice to be nice to one's self, and we grow to like ourselves better when we take care of ourselves. It starts to feel good. There's more than retina damage going on when observing from a wholistic perspective. Vision is not just sight as measured by an optometrist. Food for thought: Deepak Chopra said in a local conference '20/20 is effectively blindness - look beyond'. I have experienced significant changes in vision. After a car 'accident' with a whip lash I worked at 18 - 24 pt with double and sometimes triple vision. At that time I was 'challenged'. There were things in life I did not want to see. Now I believe there is 'no such thing as an accident'. It was all synchronistic and I created it totally even though his car wapped my stopped car and I was the 'victim' legally. I used EO's around my eyes for a couple of months, and now 8 years later (before CS) continue to work at 10 pt, single vision with out visual aid. It's not family DNA - all younger siblings and parents have glasses. It's just my experience and conclusions. My eyes go 'blurry' when I don't have a 'clear handle' on what is happening or I'm in denial. Observation - I developed 'black spots' when I was angry. Gulp! Could I be looking at life through 'rose coloured lenses?' You betcha! UGH! It comes in layers to be peeled away like an onion, and sometimes there are tears. To resolve the 'black spots', I had to deal with 'my emotional stuff' and redid oils for a week or so to dissolve my 'resistance'. Sometimes denial is the right place because it provides relief from the intensity of the situation, and a time to step back and regroup. I've also worked with sighted children who have been taught to 'see' with their hands when totally blindfolded. There are kids in Mexico who extended their sight to be able to play soccer while blindfolded. We can use more than one sense to 'see'. But that's another story. Christine From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:40:07 -0400 And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is
Re: CSLED'S
And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. an! d NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
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Might consider DMSO CS eye drops. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:40, Marshall Dudley wrote: And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. an! d NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLED'S
Have you considered intraocular pressure effects due to the osmotic action of the DMSO? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:37 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSLED'S Might consider DMSO CS eye drops. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:40, Marshall Dudley wrote: And it is extremely difficult to apply CS directly to one's retina! Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. an! d NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED'S
I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. and NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve
Re: CSLED'S
I knew someone who lost his eyesight from staring at the sun. I know there is a yoga execrise which involves staring at the sun, but for brief periods. I've been told the retina can get burned otherwise. Sally esl...@aol.com wrote: I used the red LEDs directly over my right and left eyes. I took off the array when it got too hot which takes a few min. The effect is everything is sharper and brighter in these 40yr old eyes. My wife reports the same with her eyes as well. I lost my fear of trying this when I read some testimonies about people staring into the sun for short periods and having there vision actually improve. There is a story of a sadistic Korean doctor who forced American POWs to stare at the sun for 10 hours a day during the Korean war.. If they blinked they were threatened with death. They all had better eyesight after a year and only suffered from headaches and neck aches. Some no longer needed there glasses. I also read the Univ, of Wisconsin Med school (Dr Harry Whelan who also works for the Gov. and NASA) is using LEDs in research testing to heal the eyes of blinded mice using 670nm red LEDs. I would NOT put a red laser in my eyes as the beam is far more concentrated and supposedly you can overdose with lasers but not LEDs. After a while we may hear of some people using lasers for eyesight improvement but I am not ready to try that yet. Steve - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
Re: CSLED's again
Hi Robb, I did a search on altavista for +light emitting diodes +healing and got 766 hits. The first few are below. I don't think anyone out there really uses these things or they would have responded by now. Hope this helps. Andy (^_^) A HREF=http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/975450257.html; http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/975450257.html/A A HREF=http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/NEWSROOM/news/releases/2000/00-336.html;http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/NEWSROOM/news/releases/2000/00-336.html/A A HREF=http://www.engr.wisc.edu/alumni/perspective/27.2/WCSAR.html;http://www.engr.wisc.edu/alumni/perspective/27.2/WCSAR.html/A http://www.johnsdental.com/articles/infrared/lasers_vs_super_luminescent_ligh. htm From: Robb Allen Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:21:58 I've been searching all over the web for some more info on the LED devices. There just isn't any info out there...or at least none that compares with what Brooks Bradley was giving. Is it necessary to drive the LED array at a specific frequency?..maybe a little like a rife machine? I drove my array at 465 hz and it seemed that I responded better to it than normal.I guess I need to try it more and compare.does anyone out there use these things?.thanks..Robb
Re: CSLED's For Phototherapy Light Wand
Dear Mr. Sawatzky, We have found that the design of the assembly, usually, should be controlled by the primary protocol addresses desired. e.g. If the primary use is to be deep-seated, localized insults..then the closer-the-better, as far as locating the individual LEDs. If the primary protocols are to be for addressing more generalized (larger and usually shallower) areasthen a wider spacing would recommend itself. Personally, I favor the closest spacing reasonably constructable-as most of the more demanding insults (of my experience) are of the acute, high pain intensity variety. This leads me to opt for high power and concentrated intensity. My personal feelings in the matter are not shared by a majority of the staff. For general purpose useages, logic would suggest a compromise and I have a preference in this matter-also. That is, the arrangement based upon 5/8 square (or close to that) grids and placing the LEDs in an alternately staggered pattern similar to a checkerboard-this has yielded the most successful general purpose units we have constructed.to date. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Dave Sawatzky wrote: In the May discussions on LED Phototherapy Light wands, Ivan Anderson sayI have single red LED's that produce 6,000 mcd. Where can I get 6,000 mcd LED's? I have searched the internet and found some 9,000 mcd LEDs but they were only 630 nm. Can anyone tell me if that wavelength is less effective for treatment? I just received some 4.000 mcd LEDs from BGMicro, but on my tests they have light output that is approx. 20 % lower than the 3500 mcd I have from a different supplier. I also tried a few of their clusters that were discussed here. I found that most of the individual LEDs had very poor light output. If I remember correct, there were only 5 out of 27 of the red ones that had reasonable brightness left in them. I have built 2 light wands and the tests have been very encouraging. One man has a bad rotator cop in his shoulder, and the light has substantially reduced his pain. The second unit is being tested by a lady with a sprained ankle. She is reporting that her swelling went down after the first treatment with a reduction in pain. I also have a question for Brooks Bradley.Ivan posted the construction article in May that shows a grid with 5/8 squares with LEDs in alternate points, which gives a 1 1/4 spacing between units. How important is spacing? I built one before I had those plans and spaced the leds touching each other. This gives a greater concentration of light in a small area. Have you done some research on effectiveness as it relates to spacing.I have very much appreciated your sharing on this site Brooks, and look forward to learning more from your well of experience. Thank you Dave Sawayzky -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
