Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
Hi Tony, I don't think of argyria as a disease and certainly did not intend to give the impression that it is. However, as a user of CS I am don't want to get it and I am concerned that argyria is, I believe, more prevalent than is implied by the sites listing the reported cases. I am just thinking that there may be a way of indicating mild instances of argyria and not just the major instances. I think Mike has a better approach that can also provide insight into the cause of the argyria. I agree that argyria is generally harmless excepy possibly when it causes coloring of the lens of the eye. Given my current sight loss, I would consider any additional loss as serious. I appologize if my post offended you. Regards, Steve N - Original Message - From: Tony Moody To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue Jul 14 01:40:36 2009 Subject: Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria Hi Steve, You make it seem that Argyria is a disease. Do you think that argyria is a disease? To my mind it is merely a colouration and is perhaps an indicator of something. But I know of no detriment other that the colour. What are the downsides of having argyria? OK, Tony
Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
Hi Steve, You make it seem that Argyria is a disease. Do you think that argyria is a disease? To my mind it is merely a colouration and is perhaps an indicator of something. But I know of no detriment other that the colour. What are the downsides of having argyria? OK, Tony On 13 Jul 2009 at 16:25, Norton, Steve wrote about : Subject : CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from > > OK, so there is no argyria Stage I, II, III or IV defined, but I would > like to suggest that defining different stages of argyria would be much > more useful than the single stage used today. I think that argyria is > greatly under reported because a person has to turn nearly completely grey > or blue for it to be reported as argyria. In actuality, once any of the > visible tissues turns grey/blue that person has argyria and it is just a > matter of how severe a case it is. > I would like to suggest different stages, such as those used for > cancer, to identify argyria and the extent of the argyria. The stages for > cancer are (from Wikipedia): *Stage I cancers are localized to one > part > of the body. *Stage II cancers are locally advanced. *Stage > III cancers > are also locally advanced. Whether a cancer is designated as Stage II or > Stage III can depend on the specific type of cancer; for example, in > Hodgkin's Disease, Stage II indicates affected lymph nodes on only one > side of the diaphragm, whereas Stage III indicates affected lymph nodes > above and below the diaphragm. The specific criteria for Stages II and III > therefore differ according to diagnosis. *Stage IV cancers have often > metastasized, or spread to other organs or throughout the body > > How about something for argyria like: > * Stage I - Argyria is localized to light browning of the gums or > light browning of the skin exposed to sunlight > * Stage II - Argyria is localized to fingernails or a slight > coloring of the eyes. > * Stage III - Argyria is also localized to the face and neck as a > blue/grey color or a significant darkening of eyes. > * Stage IV - Argyria is generally spread throughout the body or a > near or total darkening of eyes. > > The stages I suggest may not be the best. From what I have read, it may be > difficult to determine a Stage I condition. Plus, I tried to cover the > coloring of the eyes (ocular argyrosis) in the proposed stages. Maybe the > eyes should be separate. Does anyone else think that this might be better > than the current single declaration of argyria? Any suggestions for > improvement? > > Thanks, > Steve N > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
I like your ideas. Maybe a numbering system where each individual number addresses different factor like the numbers in an MSDS. - Steve N - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon Jul 13 15:34:56 2009 Subject: Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria > How about something for argyria like: > * Stage I - Argyria is localized to light browning of the gums or > light browning of the skin exposed to sunlight > * Stage II - Argyria is localized to fingernails or a slight > coloring of the eyes. > * Stage III - Argyria is also localized to the face and neck as a > blue/grey color or a significant darkening of eyes. > * Stage IV - Argyria is generally spread throughout the body or a > near or total darkening of eyes. I think it would be better to standardize a classification system, rather than trying to define "stages?" That presumes that you're talking about a progressive phenomenon, which is not necessarily the case. Some reasonable distinctions: General / localized: Overall or large areas of coloration, versus specific areas such as fingernail moons, conjunctiva, . E.g., Generalized argyria of the face and hands; Localized argyria of the tongue... Source of exposure: Pharmaceutical, occupational, environmental, dietary, self-medication. Type of exposure: Systemic from ingestion or inhalation; localized discoloration due to tatooing of skin from direct contact or staining from salts. Intensity and/or impact: Mild: minimal coloration, not easily noticeable; does not interfere with daily life Moderate: readily visible coloration; some effect on activity, lifestyle, relationships, personal well-being. Severe: Intense coloration, significant disfigurement; serious impact on lifestyle, relationships, employment, and well-being. ... dunno. I'm sure it can be made better, but those are the kinds of things that make sense to me. > Does anyone else think that this might be better than the current > single declaration of argyria? Any suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure that there is a "current single declaration of argyria?" Don't most descriptions of the condition list some of the characteristics of each case since there are so many variations? Certainly in the medical literature they use some of the descriptive phrases I suggested above? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
> How about something for argyria like: > * Stage I - Argyria is localized to light browning of the gums or > light browning of the skin exposed to sunlight > * Stage II - Argyria is localized to fingernails or a slight > coloring of the eyes. > * Stage III - Argyria is also localized to the face and neck as a > blue/grey color or a significant darkening of eyes. > * Stage IV - Argyria is generally spread throughout the body or a > near or total darkening of eyes. I think it would be better to standardize a classification system, rather than trying to define "stages?" That presumes that you're talking about a progressive phenomenon, which is not necessarily the case. Some reasonable distinctions: General / localized: Overall or large areas of coloration, versus specific areas such as fingernail moons, conjunctiva, . E.g., Generalized argyria of the face and hands; Localized argyria of the tongue... Source of exposure: Pharmaceutical, occupational, environmental, dietary, self-medication. Type of exposure: Systemic from ingestion or inhalation; localized discoloration due to tatooing of skin from direct contact or staining from salts. Intensity and/or impact: Mild: minimal coloration, not easily noticeable; does not interfere with daily life Moderate: readily visible coloration; some effect on activity, lifestyle, relationships, personal well-being. Severe: Intense coloration, significant disfigurement; serious impact on lifestyle, relationships, employment, and well-being. ... dunno. I'm sure it can be made better, but those are the kinds of things that make sense to me. > Does anyone else think that this might be better than the current > single declaration of argyria? Any suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure that there is a "current single declaration of argyria?" Don't most descriptions of the condition list some of the characteristics of each case since there are so many variations? Certainly in the medical literature they use some of the descriptive phrases I suggested above? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
Neville, When ever I think of argyria I always think of the informal survey you did. It was an eye opener for me. If one made a survey I would certainly be interested in the items you suggest. Since you mention it, I will say that it is my opinion that EIS can cause argyria but that there are other forms, eg silver nitrate, that will cause argyria at significantly lower dosages. But any form of silver that can enter the bloodstream can cause argryia if consumed in sufficient quantity over sufficient time. - Steve N Just my opinion. From: Neville Munn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon Jul 13 18:51:29 2009 Subject: RE: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria Hi Steve, [Any suggestions for improvement?] Yep I got one... what about "EIS produced by the accepted means/methods and practices today will *not* cause Argyria". or..."It is unknown, at the time of writing, if EIS taken in conjuction with particular supplements or other stuff could promote the incidence of *any* stage of Argyria". N. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:25:54 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria OK, so there is no argyria Stage I, II, III or IV defined, but I would like to suggest that defining different stages of argyria would be much more useful than the single stage used today. I think that argyria is greatly under reported because a person has to turn nearly completely grey or blue for it to be reported as argyria. In actuality, once any of the visible tissues turns grey/blue that person has argyria and it is just a matter of how severe a case it is. I would like to suggest different stages, such as those used for cancer, to identify argyria and the extent of the argyria. The stages for cancer are (from Wikipedia): * Stage I cancers are localized to one part of the body. * Stage II cancers are locally advanced. * Stage III cancers are also locally advanced. Whether a cancer is designated as Stage II or Stage III can depend on the specific type of cancer; for example, in Hodgkin's Disease, Stage II indicates affected lymph nodes on only one side of the diaphragm, whereas Stage III indicates affected lymph nodes above and below the diaphragm. The specific criteria for Stages II and III therefore differ according to diagnosis. * Stage IV cancers have often metastasized, or spread to other organs or throughout the body How about something for argyria like: * Stage I - Argyria is localized to light browning of the gums or light browning of the skin exposed to sunlight * Stage II - Argyria is localized to fingernails or a slight coloring of the eyes. * Stage III - Argyria is also localized to the face and neck as a blue/grey color or a significant darkening of eyes. * Stage IV - Argyria is generally spread throughout the body or a near or total darkening of eyes. The stages I suggest may not be the best. From what I have read, it may be difficult to determine a Stage I condition. Plus, I tried to cover the coloring of the eyes (ocular argyrosis) in the proposed stages. Maybe the eyes should be separate. Does anyone else think that this might be better than the current single declaration of argyria? Any suggestions for improvement? Thanks, Steve N Find your next place with Ninemsn property Looking for a new car this winter? <http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT>
RE: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria
Hi Steve, [Any suggestions for improvement?] Yep I got one... what about "EIS produced by the accepted means/methods and practices today will *not* cause Argyria". or..."It is unknown, at the time of writing, if EIS taken in conjuction with particular supplements or other stuff could promote the incidence of *any* stage of Argyria". N. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:25:54 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>How to tell Stage I argyria from Stage III argyria OK, so there is no argyria Stage I, II, III or IV defined, but I would like to suggest that defining different stages of argyria would be much more useful than the single stage used today. I think that argyria is greatly under reported because a person has to turn nearly completely grey or blue for it to be reported as argyria. In actuality, once any of the visible tissues turns grey/blue that person has argyria and it is just a matter of how severe a case it is. I would like to suggest different stages, such as those used for cancer, to identify argyria and the extent of the argyria. The stages for cancer are (from Wikipedia): Stage I cancers are localized to one part of the body. Stage II cancers are locally advanced. Stage III cancers are also locally advanced. Whether a cancer is designated as Stage II or Stage III can depend on the specific type of cancer; for example, in Hodgkin's Disease, Stage II indicates affected lymph nodes on only one side of the diaphragm, whereas Stage III indicates affected lymph nodes above and below the diaphragm. The specific criteria for Stages II and III therefore differ according to diagnosis. Stage IV cancers have often metastasized, or spread to other organs or throughout the body How about something for argyria like: Stage I - Argyria is localized to light browning of the gums or light browning of the skin exposed to sunlight Stage II - Argyria is localized to fingernails or a slight coloring of the eyes. Stage III - Argyria is also localized to the face and neck as a blue/grey color or a significant darkening of eyes. Stage IV - Argyria is generally spread throughout the body or a near or total darkening of eyes. The stages I suggest may not be the best. From what I have read, it may be difficult to determine a Stage I condition. Plus, I tried to cover the coloring of the eyes (ocular argyrosis) in the proposed stages. Maybe the eyes should be separate. Does anyone else think that this might be better than the current single declaration of argyria? Any suggestions for improvement? Thanks, Steve N _ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT
