Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Dee]

I used a little sonic cleaner for mine but was never sure it worked right.  
Since then, I have read many respected sources about the dangers of 
polyunsaturated fats so stopped making it.  I presume that lecithin of either 
variety comes into that category, so I've now just gone to Wholefood vitamin 
CDee

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> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:27, Max  wrote:
> 
> I think it was Brooks Bradley who spearheaded the homemade lipo C. I believe 
> he had the microscope to show home made was about equal quality to 
> commercial.  Brooks seems high integrity.Of course, thats a first pass 
> judgementhome made may be worse, equal or even better than commercial 
> lipo.   What we dont know is if simple micelles are as good or better than 
> lipo, or even if coconut oil and C is as good.   The tests arent in.   
> Commercial ultrasonication can create a whole new chemistry with its powerful 
> machines.   This chemistry would have to proven superior for whatever reason. 
>  Im talking mainly about the chemistry of ultra sonic cavitation bubbles 
> which can reach 5000 deg and huge pressures.   Remember that one is always 
> relying on and being swayed by profit minded commercial hype
> 
> Start simple, say blending in a blender, then invest in a course of 
> commercially made lipo and see if you can feel a difference.   In my mind, 
> getting high quality lecithin is more important than lipo size and quantity, 
> since 99% of it is digested at the gut brush border, one way or the other
> 
>> On 3/13/2016 5:23 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> apparently the home-made item is NOT the same as the one made by Live-On 
>> labs, whose scientists have tested it.  I can’t see why they would lie 
>> because they would be found out easily I would have thought.  Also 
>> apparently, Dr Mercola (who I respect) makes a liposome vitamin C which is 
>> again, NOT liposomal at all.  dee
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:24, Ron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his credibility 
>>> is pretty much shot.
>>> Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, 
>>> although Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  primarily 
>>> engaged in marketing.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
>>> Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back it 
>>> up.
>>> 
 On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
 I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% of 
 liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked by 
 the immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by direct 
 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is also a 
 myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome C  works 
 wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon product.  My 
 feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender allows 
 essentially the same digestion and biological effect.   Ive tried both and 
 can tell no difference.   For me, the main thing is getting the really 
 good lecithen.  I cant stand the regular soy stuff.  There is also 
 evidence it isnt healthy.  Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be the 
 ticket.   The secret to absorbing a lot of Vit C is taking it at short 
 intervals.Vit C loading of the body by IV  is many, many times greater 
 than by liposome C.This is perhaps Levy's most egregious error
 
> On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:
> Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.
> 
> Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
> http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
>> Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do 
>> the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China - 
>> so am looking at those right now.
>> 
>> And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
>> kidney/liver issues?
>> 
>> Thanks - Joy
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Dee]

Thinking about it, homemade covers a very broad spectrum ie it depends WHO made 
it and how they made it I suppose.  I mean, it is not going to be as uniform as 
that made in LiveOns own facility.  I do know that Mercola s has been 
independently tested and proved to be not liposomal which someone on his 
website admitted.  He was challenged to explain but never did.  Trouble is, I 
can't remember who instigated it but it was LiveOn who tested itDee

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> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:27, Max  wrote:
> 
> I think it was Brooks Bradley who spearheaded the homemade lipo C. I believe 
> he had the microscope to show home made was about equal quality to 
> commercial.  Brooks seems high integrity.Of course, thats a first pass 
> judgementhome made may be worse, equal or even better than commercial 
> lipo.   What we dont know is if simple micelles are as good or better than 
> lipo, or even if coconut oil and C is as good.   The tests arent in.   
> Commercial ultrasonication can create a whole new chemistry with its powerful 
> machines.   This chemistry would have to proven superior for whatever reason. 
>  Im talking mainly about the chemistry of ultra sonic cavitation bubbles 
> which can reach 5000 deg and huge pressures.   Remember that one is always 
> relying on and being swayed by profit minded commercial hype
> 
> Start simple, say blending in a blender, then invest in a course of 
> commercially made lipo and see if you can feel a difference.   In my mind, 
> getting high quality lecithin is more important than lipo size and quantity, 
> since 99% of it is digested at the gut brush border, one way or the other
> 
>> On 3/13/2016 5:23 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> apparently the home-made item is NOT the same as the one made by Live-On 
>> labs, whose scientists have tested it.  I can’t see why they would lie 
>> because they would be found out easily I would have thought.  Also 
>> apparently, Dr Mercola (who I respect) makes a liposome vitamin C which is 
>> again, NOT liposomal at all.  dee
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:24, Ron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his credibility 
>>> is pretty much shot.
>>> Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, 
>>> although Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  primarily 
>>> engaged in marketing.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
>>> Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back it 
>>> up.
>>> 
 On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
 I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% of 
 liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked by 
 the immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by direct 
 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is also a 
 myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome C  works 
 wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon product.  My 
 feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender allows 
 essentially the same digestion and biological effect.   Ive tried both and 
 can tell no difference.   For me, the main thing is getting the really 
 good lecithen.  I cant stand the regular soy stuff.  There is also 
 evidence it isnt healthy.  Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be the 
 ticket.   The secret to absorbing a lot of Vit C is taking it at short 
 intervals.Vit C loading of the body by IV  is many, many times greater 
 than by liposome C.This is perhaps Levy's most egregious error
 
> On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:
> Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.
> 
> Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
> http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
>> Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do 
>> the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China - 
>> so am looking at those right now.
>> 
>> And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
>> kidney/liver issues?
>> 
>> Thanks - Joy
>> 
>> 
>>
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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Max]

I think it was Brooks Bradley who spearheaded the homemade lipo C. I 
believe he had the microscope to show home made was about equal quality 
to commercial.  Brooks seems high integrity.Of course, thats a first 
pass judgementhome made may be worse, equal or even better than 
commercial lipo.   What we dont know is if simple micelles are as good 
or better than lipo, or even if coconut oil and C is as good.   The 
tests arent in.   Commercial ultrasonication can create a whole new 
chemistry with its powerful machines.   This chemistry would have to 
proven superior for whatever reason.  Im talking mainly about the 
chemistry of ultra sonic cavitation bubbles which can reach 5000 deg and 
huge pressures.   Remember that one is always relying on and being 
swayed by profit minded commercial hype


Start simple, say blending in a blender, then invest in a course of 
commercially made lipo and see if you can feel a difference.   In my 
mind, getting high quality lecithin is more important than lipo size and 
quantity, since 99% of it is digested at the gut brush border, one way 
or the other


On 3/13/2016 5:23 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

apparently the home-made item is NOT the same as the one made by Live-On labs, 
whose scientists have tested it.  I can’t see why they would lie because they 
would be found out easily I would have thought.  Also apparently, Dr Mercola 
(who I respect) makes a liposome vitamin C which is again, NOT liposomal at 
all.  dee


On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:24, Ron  wrote:

Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his credibility is 
pretty much shot.
Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, although 
Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  primarily engaged in 
marketing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back it up.

On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:

I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% of 
liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked by the 
immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by direct 
'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is also a myth.  
So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome C  works wonders.   
Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon product.  My feeling is that 
adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender allows essentially the same digestion 
and biological effect.   Ive tried both and can tell no difference.   For me, 
the main thing is getting the really good lecithen.  I cant stand the regular 
soy stuff.  There is also evidence it isnt healthy.  Organic sunflower lecithin 
seems to be the ticket.   The secret to absorbing a lot of Vit C is taking it 
at short intervals.Vit C loading of the body by IV  is many, many times 
greater than by liposome C.This is perhaps Levy's most egregious error

On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:

Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.

Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/




On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:

Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do the job 
other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China - so am looking 
at those right now.

And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
kidney/liver issues?

Thanks - Joy



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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

apparently the home-made item is NOT the same as the one made by Live-On labs, 
whose scientists have tested it.  I can’t see why they would lie because they 
would be found out easily I would have thought.  Also apparently, Dr Mercola 
(who I respect) makes a liposome vitamin C which is again, NOT liposomal at 
all.  dee

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:24, Ron  wrote:
> 
> Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his credibility is 
> pretty much shot.
> Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, although 
> Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  primarily engaged in 
> marketing.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
> Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back it 
> up.
> 
> On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
>> I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% of 
>> liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked by the 
>> immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by direct 
>> 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is also a 
>> myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome C  works 
>> wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon product.  My 
>> feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender allows essentially 
>> the same digestion and biological effect.   Ive tried both and can tell no 
>> difference.   For me, the main thing is getting the really good lecithen.  I 
>> cant stand the regular soy stuff.  There is also evidence it isnt healthy.  
>> Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be the ticket.   The secret to absorbing 
>> a lot of Vit C is taking it at short intervals.Vit C loading of the body 
>> by IV  is many, many times greater than by liposome C.This is perhaps 
>> Levy's most egregious error
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:
>>> Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
>>> http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
 Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do the 
 job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China - so am 
 looking at those right now.
 
 And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
 kidney/liver issues?
 
 Thanks - Joy
 
 

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>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Max]

Mercolas video was misleading in that it showed the intestine as being 
lined with a liposome layer which fused with the product.  At least he 
didnt show liposomes getting through the intestine intact. The intestine 
brush border is a complex machine which digests food down to molecular 
levels.  They are then reformed into chylomicrons, and I dare say this 
is the way its going to work for everything. Even if you could bypass 
this system, your immune system would be up in arms.Exactly how 
lecithin plus vitamin C absorbs up to 2x better is not totally clear.
From anecdotal results, the combination seems to be effective.   I did 

many hours of research on this.


On 3/10/2016 10:24 AM, Ron wrote:
Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his 
credibility is pretty much shot.
Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, 
although Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  
primarily engaged in marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to 
back it up.


On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 
1% of liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly 
attacked by the immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents 
to cells by direct 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption 
effeciency is also a myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal 
evidence that liposome C  works wonders. Note that Levy DOES in fact 
promote the Livon product.  My feeling is that adding lecithin to 
vitamin C in a blender allows essentially the same digestion and 
biological effect.   Ive tried both and can tell no difference.   For 
me, the main thing is getting the really good lecithen.  I cant stand 
the regular soy stuff.  There is also evidence it isnt healthy.  
Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be the ticket.   The secret to 
absorbing a lot of Vit C is taking it at short intervals.Vit C 
loading of the body by IV  is many, many times greater than by 
liposome C.This is perhaps Levy's most egregious error


On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:

Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.

Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/





On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will 
do the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in 
China - so am looking at those right now.


And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone 
with kidney/liver issues?


Thanks - Joy



 

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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Ron]

Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his 
credibility is pretty much shot.
Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, 
although Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be primarily 
engaged in marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back 
it up.


On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% 
of liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly 
attacked by the immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to 
cells by direct 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption 
effeciency is also a myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence 
that liposome C  works wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote 
the Livon product.  My feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in 
a blender allows essentially the same digestion and biological 
effect.   Ive tried both and can tell no difference.   For me, the 
main thing is getting the really good lecithen.  I cant stand the 
regular soy stuff.  There is also evidence it isnt healthy.  Organic 
sunflower lecithin seems to be the ticket.   The secret to absorbing a 
lot of Vit C is taking it at short intervals.Vit C loading of the 
body by IV  is many, many times greater than by liposome C.This is 
perhaps Levy's most egregious error


On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:

Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.

Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/





On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will 
do the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in 
China - so am looking at those right now.


And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
kidney/liver issues?


Thanks - Joy



 

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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Max]

I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% 
of liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked 
by the immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by 
direct 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is 
also a myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome 
C  works wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon 
product.  My feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender 
allows essentially the same digestion and biological effect.   Ive tried 
both and can tell no difference.   For me, the main thing is getting the 
really good lecithen.  I cant stand the regular soy stuff.  There is 
also evidence it isnt healthy.  Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be 
the ticket.   The secret to absorbing a lot of Vit C is taking it at 
short intervals.Vit C loading of the body by IV  is many, many times 
greater than by liposome C.This is perhaps Levy's most egregious error


On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:

Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.

Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/





On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will 
do the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in 
China - so am looking at those right now.


And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
kidney/liver issues?


Thanks - Joy



 

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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Ron]

Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.

Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/





On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do 
the job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China 
- so am looking at those right now.


And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
kidney/liver issues?


Thanks - Joy



 

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