Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Ode,Was "now and then" more than twice a day?Thanks.PT

  From: Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:18 AM
 Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder
   
On UTI [personal experience]
https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me

Ode



On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Jeff <ssc...@grandecom.net> wrote:

Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub 
because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a 
hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the pain 
when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying anything we 
could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous post she no 
longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her. Makes life 
easier.  Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse 
reaction of any kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)  >This is 
wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As tissues 
thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and thus cause 
bladder infections.>PT  From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
[mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2015 #223  



  

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Patricia]

UTI [personal experience]
https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me 



above for UTI info   and regular site  http://silverpuppy.com/ these 
both opened for me.


On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:
I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on Odes site 
at all...Dee

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[V]

Has your wife ever tried warmed castor oil with wool cloth/plastic bag and a 
heating pad? Castor oil has helped a lot of people with muscular/nerve issues. 
Thought I'd put my 2 cents in. Ever find out if there's Vitamin A deficiency? 
Best wishes in your wife's healing journey, 
RaVen

To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
http://sunshinesciences.com  
When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the 
shopping cart.

On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Jeff  wrote:

Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub 
because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a 
hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the pain 
when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying anything we 
could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous post she no 
longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her. Makes life 
easier.
 
Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse reaction of any 
kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)
 
 
>This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
>post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As tissues 
>thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and thus cause 
>bladder infections.
>PT
 
 
From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
[mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2015 #223
 
 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

RaVen... good idea.  I have been a fan and user of castor oil packs for over 
thirty years.  Jeff, they
can be placed over your wife's lower abdomen area for an hour or so a few times 
per week.  Theyare very healing, soothing and they help to optimize immune 
function as a bonus. www.baar has castor oil kits that can be purchased but one 
can put together one's own kit veryinexpensively.  The hardest 'find' is the 
pure, wool flannel.  I have some packs that  I have usedfor years. ...lol.. 
Just keep them in a ziplock bag and don't wash 'em or share.Lola
- Original Message -
From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:43:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

Has your wife ever tried warmed castor oil with wool cloth/plastic bag and a 
heating pad? Castor oil has helped a lot of people with muscular/nerve issues. 
Thought I'd put my 2 cents in. Ever find out if there's Vitamin A deficiency? 
Best wishes in your wife's healing journey, RaVen

To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective 
Disorder).http://sunshinesciences.com  When you order, put raven10 in the 
coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the shopping cart.
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Jeff <ssc...@grandecom.net> wrote:

Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub 
because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a 
hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the pain 
when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying anything we 
could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous post she no 
longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her. Makes life 
easier.  Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse 
reaction of any kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)  >This is 
wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As tissues 
thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and thus cause 
bladder infections.>PT  From:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
[mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
To:silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2015 #223  

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Dee]

It worked this time - don't know why.Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 15:28, Patricia  wrote:
> 
> UTI [personal experience]
> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me  
> 
> above for UTI info   and regular site  http://silverpuppy.com/ these both 
> opened for me.
> 
>> On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:
>> I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on Odes site at 
>> all...Dee
> 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lena Guyot]

There's a blue band across the top with such things as 'Home', 'All Products', 
'Ordering info', etc. 
On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, English wrote:

> I went to the silver puppy link.  But how does a person make a purchase???
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dee <d...@deetroy.org>
> To: silver-list <silver-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:01 pm
> Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder
> 
> It worked this time - don't know why.Dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 13 Nov 2015, at 15:28, Patricia <pcassi...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> UTI [personal experience]
> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me  
> 
> above for UTI info   and regular site  http://silverpuppy.com/ these both 
> opened for me.
> 
> On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:
> I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on Odes site at 
> all...Dee
> 
> 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

Click on the 'all products' tab at the top of the home page.. add what you want 
to your
shopping cart, then click on the shopping cart.  Seems pretty straight forward 
to me.Lola
- Original Message -
From: English <treblcl...@aol.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:37:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

I went to the silver puppy link.  But how does a person make a purchase???


-Original Message-

From: Dee <d...@deetroy.org>

To: silver-list <silver-list@eskimo.com>

Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:01 pm

Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

It worked this time - don't know why.Dee


Sent from my iPad

On 13 Nov 2015, at 15:28, Patricia <pcassi...@tx.rr.com> wrote:

UTI [personal experience]
https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me 
 



above for UTI info   and regular site  http://silverpuppy.com/
 these both opened for me.



On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:
I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on
 Odes site at all...Dee

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[English]

I went to the silver puppy link.  But how does a person make a purchase???




-Original Message-
From: Dee <d...@deetroy.org>
To: silver-list <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder



It worked this time - don't know why.Dee

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Nov 2015, at 15:28, Patricia <pcassi...@tx.rr.com> wrote:



  
 UTI [personal experience]
  https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me   
  
  above for UTI info   and regular site  http://silverpuppy.com/  
these both opened for me.
  
  On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:



I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get onOdes site at 
all...Dee

  


  

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Patricia]

go to silverpuppy.comin the blue bar at top .. click All 
Products...   add to cart items you want ... when finished ... go to 
black bar at very top that says Checkout .. and follow the instructions 
to pay and ship..



On 11/13/2015 12:37 PM, English wrote:

I went to the silver puppy link.  But how does a person make a purchase???



-Original Message-
From: Dee <d...@deetroy.org>
To: silver-list <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

It worked this time - don't know why.Dee

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Nov 2015, at 15:28, Patricia <pcassi...@tx.rr.com 
<mailto:pcassi...@tx.rr.com>> wrote:


UTI [personal experience]
https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me

above for UTI info   and regular site http://silverpuppy.com/
these both opened for me.

On 11/13/2015 8:33 AM, Dee wrote:

I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on
Odes site at all...Dee

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Olushola Camara]

How much silver and how much water?

Olushola

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ode Coyote 
wrote:

> On UTI [personal experience]
> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me
>
> Ode
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Jeff  wrote:
>
>> Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub
>> because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a
>> hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the
>> pain when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying
>> anything we could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous
>> post she no longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her.
>> Makes life easier.
>>
>>
>>
>> Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse reaction
>> of any kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is
>> post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As
>> tissues thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and
>> thus cause bladder infections.
>>
>> >PT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
>> *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2015 #223
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Dee]

I'm trying to connect to this link but can't seem to get on Odes site at 
all...Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 13:18, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> On UTI [personal experience]
> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me
> 
> Ode
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Jeff  wrote:
>> Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub 
>> because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a 
>> hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the 
>> pain when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying 
>> anything we could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous 
>> post she no longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her. 
>> Makes life easier.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse reaction of 
>> any kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> >This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
>> >post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As 
>> >tissues thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and 
>> >thus cause bladder infections.
>> 
>> >PT
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>> [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
>> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2015 #223
>> 
> 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Ode Coyote]

On UTI [personal experience]
https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me

Ode

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Jeff  wrote:

> Good suggestion PT. To tell the truth she really didn’t like the hot tub
> because she used a family owned one that is located elsewhere and it was a
> hassle. The only reason she was doing it is because it would help with the
> pain when nothing else would. We discovered this method while trying
> anything we could think of that might help. But as I said in the previous
> post she no longer has to use the hot tub and that is a big relief to her.
> Makes life easier.
>
>
>
> Footnote: So far we have not had any infection, UTI, or adverse reaction
> of any kind during this protocol. ( another blessing)
>
>
>
>
>
> >This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is
> post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot >tubs.  As
> tissues thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and
> thus cause bladder infections.
>
> >PT
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:
> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:40 PM
> *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2015 #223
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Dee]

Be wary of invasive foreign objects because that can cause massive 
infections.Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 12 Nov 2015, at 05:14, Jeff  wrote:
> 
> My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I have been 
> documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could hopefully help 
> others. We still have a long way to go but there is no pain and the CS I make 
> does not hurt her in any way and never did from day one ( unlike the silver 
> protein the doc prescribed ) so we are hopeful for an eventual full recovery.
>  
> The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only twice 
> as much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would start. I think 
> a healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be at 8oz or 
> more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We are excited about that visit 
> because we are going to request a cystoscopy and we want to hear there is no 
> evidence of lesions or hunners ulcers both of which she had and we have 
> pictures of. That being said, my wife has even told me that she is happy if 
> it just stays like it is.

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Victor Cozzetto]

Thanks for sharing. Congratulations on the success so far. It is great to
hear such things. And do not let any negative news or comments from doctors
discourage you, as they are often incorrect.

Victor

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Jeff  wrote:

> My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I have
> been documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could hopefully
> help others. We still have a long way to go but there is no pain and the CS
> I make does not hurt her in any way and never did from day one ( unlike the
> silver protein the doc prescribed ) so we are hopeful for an eventual full
> recovery.
>
>
>
> The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only
> twice as much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would start.
> I think a healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be
> at 8oz or more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We are excited about
> that visit because we are going to request a cystoscopy and we want to hear
> there is no evidence of lesions or hunners ulcers both of which she had and
> we have pictures of. That being said, my wife has even told me that she is
> happy if it just stays like it is.
>

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Teri Kavakos]

If there is adhesion's you might want to consider adding Serrapenase to 
her protocol as it breaks up adhesion's


Teri

On 11/12/2015 12:14 AM, Jeff wrote:


My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I 
have been documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could 
hopefully help others. We still have a long way to go but there is no 
pain and the CS I make does not hurt her in any way and never did from 
day one ( unlike the silver protein the doc prescribed ) so we are 
hopeful for an eventual full recovery.


The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only 
twice as much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would 
start. I think a healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were 
wanting to be at 8oz or more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We 
are excited about that visit because we are going to request a 
cystoscopy and we want to hear there is no evidence of lesions or 
hunners ulcers both of which she had and we have pictures of. That 
being said, my wife has even told me that she is happy if it just 
stays like it is.

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[John Popelish]

On 11/12/2015 12:14 AM, Jeff wrote:
(snip)

The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that
4oz is only twice as much as the doc could do before
cracking and bleeding would start. I think a healthy bladder
will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be at 8oz or
more by the time we go see the doc in Feb.

(snip)
As raw and damaged as her bladder was, it may now have a lot
of scar tissue, limiting its flexibility and elasticity.

Dietary MSM should be good for improving that, but it is a
process that may take a year or more.

When I started taking MSM, (about 1000 mg, every day) it
took about 6 months for all my old, childhood scars to
visibly reform into what looks like normal skin. And skin
cells probably turn over a lot faster than bladder cells.

--
Regards,

John Popelish


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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

Jeff,  Is it possible that maybe... maybe... there is scarring in the bladder?  
although dmso is supposed to
help with scars.  Or... maybe the bladder just isn't as flexible (expandable) 
as it once was?  I am with yourwife..lol.. just being able to live with some 
normalcy and being pain free can be heavenly.  It will be veryinteresting to 
see how much healing has happened since your last doctor visit.  I would love 
to see thatdoctor's face and what his response will be when he compares the 
before and after. Lola 
- Original Message -
From: Jeff 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:14:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I have 
been documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could hopefully help 
others. We still have a long way to go but there is no pain and the CS I make 
does not hurt her in any way and never did from day one ( unlike the silver 
protein the doc prescribed ) so we are hopeful for an eventual full recovery.  
The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only twice as 
much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would start. I think a 
healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be at 8oz or 
more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We are excited about that visit 
because we are going to request a cystoscopy and we want to hear there is no 
evidence of lesions or hunners ulcers both of which she had and we have 
pictures of. That being said, my wife has even told me that she is happy if it 
just stays like it is.

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[V]

I'll bring the iced tea and veggie platter for the Bladder Party. 

:D

To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
http://sunshinesciences.com  
When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the 
shopping cart.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 5:14 PM, John Popelish  wrote:

On 11/11/2015 04:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
(snip)
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she
> told me she was pain free
> 
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or
> frequency problems
> 
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
(snip)

Wonderful news and possibly helpful information for someone else.

We should throw a happy bladder party for your wife.


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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Jerry Durand]

Mine too.  A few years ago I wound up in the emergency room having
trouble breathing.  They kept me there overnight and gave me every test
for heart attack in the book, ending with a treadmill test!

Most of the time I wasn't allowed to drink or eat, but they did relent
and give me some oxygen and the next morning the nurse got me some food
from the cafeteria and got a doctor to approve giving me some OTC
antihistamine.

MUCH later my doctor figured out something trigged my childhood asthma
and that could cause difficultly breathing (duh, you think?).

No doctors for me except with O-Care I still have to PAY for doctors. 
If I had any kids of course they can force you to take them to the doctor.

Had the asthma come back recently, a bit of CS in a nebulizer cleared it
right up!

On 11/11/2015 03:36 PM, Smitty wrote:
> My Motto=Stay away from doctors,
> they'll kill ya
> Smitty
>

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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Sandra George]

Jeff I am so happy for you, this is the type of story I love to read, so thanks 
for sharing with us all - you will knock his socks off, however do not be 
disappointed if he is not impressed, this is unfortunately the normal response 
!You simply keep on doing what you have found works for you    
Peace, blessings, love and hugs
Sandee
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Smitty]

My Motto=Stay away from doctors,
they'll kill ya
Smitty

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Lena Guyot  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless
> docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are
> the people to create them!
>
> Be well,
> Léna
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
>
> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help
> and suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing.
> As you may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a
> bladder problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t
> fit completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost
> constant pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of
> having to go every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we
> were told the inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has
> been on every drug for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2
> fulgurations after which we were told the bladder would have to be removed.
> This was on 7-30 of this year and confirmed the end of August at post op
> visit. After some research and getting advice from the helpful folks here,
> this is what we did.
>
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred
> more often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of
> details on this because it would make for a very long post.
>
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only
> held it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure
> to help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most
> of the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not
> to refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the
> meds but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she
> was pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency
> problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no
> problem ( up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff
>
>
>

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[PT Ferrance]

This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot tubs.  As tissues 
thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and thus cause 
bladder infections.PT

  From: Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder
   
Hi Jeff,
Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless 
docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are the 
people to create them!
Be well,Léna


On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:

Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which we 
were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this year 
and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research and 
getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.  Starting on 
September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver puppy and run on 
manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the ppm, maybe Ode can 
weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more often but this is 
all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on this because it would 
make for a very long post.  We started with 30cc because that was all she could 
handle and she only held it for 11 minutes.After a few days she could hold it 
for 30 minutes which was our goalShe was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 
minutes before the procedure to help relax everythingWe have had our share of 
failures due to different reasons but we got most of the bugs worked outI 
gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she fought 
hard to keep it for 30 minAlso added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the 
first weekDuring the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS 
slowly building up to 2mlAfter 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on 
and we decided not to refill and see what happensShe had trouble sleeping for 
about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds but pain was bearableShe would 
experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer that would push 
the CS outAnd cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms 
stopped.  That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot 
tubWe don’t do the procedure on the weekendsThe pain reduced on a daily basis 
till last Friday when she told me she was pain freeShe has control of her 
bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problemsShe is on no medication 
at all for over a monthShe can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 
minutes no problem ( up from 30cc )I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for 
some reason but we don’t see the doc till FebSo we will keep plugging away. We 
are hoping to blow his socks offThanks again for all the help, hopefully more 
updates to come.Jeff



  

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

Jeff... wonderful, wonderful news.  I know you and your wife are thrilled with 
wife's progress.  Since you
seem to have found a protocol that works, you might think about continuing the 
procedures withouttrying to continue to 'push the envelope' since what you are 
doing seems to be working for y'all giveyour wife time to hopefully heal 
completely.  Isn't it something ?  yipeee. lol.. Lola
- Original Message -
From: Jeff 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:16:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which we 
were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this year 
and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research and 
getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did. Starting on 
September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver puppy and run on 
manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the ppm, maybe Ode can 
weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more often but this is 
all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on this because it would 
make for a very long post.  We started with 30cc because that was all she could 
handle and she only held it for 11 minutes.After a few days she could hold it 
for 30 minutes which was our goalShe was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 
minutes before the procedure to help relax everythingWe have had our share of 
failures due to different reasons but we got most of the bugs worked outI 
gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she fought 
hard to keep it for 30 min Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the 
first weekDuring the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS 
slowly building up to 2mlAfter 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on 
and we decided not to refill and see what happensShe had trouble sleeping for 
about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds but pain was bearableShe would 
experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer that would push 
the CS outAnd cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms 
stopped. That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot 
tubWe don’t do the procedure on the weekendsThe pain reduced on a daily basis 
till last Friday when she told me she was pain freeShe has control of her 
bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problemsShe is on no medication 
at all for over a monthShe can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 
minutes no problem ( up from 30cc )I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for 
some reason but we don’t see the doc till FebSo we will keep plugging away. We 
are hoping to blow his socks offThanks again for all the help, hopefully more 
updates to come.Jeff 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[John Popelish]

On 11/11/2015 04:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
(snip)

The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she
told me she was pain free

She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or
frequency problems

She is on no medication at all for over a month

(snip)

Wonderful news and possibly helpful information for someone 
else.


We should throw a happy bladder party for your wife.


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John Popelish


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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Jeff,

Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless 
docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are the 
people to create them!

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:

> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
> suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
> may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
> problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
> completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
> pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
> every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
> inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
> for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which 
> we were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this 
> year and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research 
> and getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.
>  
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver 
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the 
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more 
> often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on 
> this because it would make for a very long post.
>  
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only held 
> it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure to 
> help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most of 
> the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she 
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly 
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not to 
> refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds 
> but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer 
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>  
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she was 
> pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no problem ( 
> up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the 
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Dee]

I'm so glad Jeff, I just wish we had done this for my husband but unfortunately 
he opted to have his bladder removed, which with hindsight - was a big mistake. 
 Best wishes to you bothDee

Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 21:16, Jeff  wrote:
> 
> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
> suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
> may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
> problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
> completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
> pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
> every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
> inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
> for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which 
> we were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this 
> year and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research 
> and getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.
>  
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver 
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the 
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more 
> often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on 
> this because it would make for a very long post.
>  
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only held 
> it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure to 
> help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most of 
> the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she 
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly 
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not to 
> refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds 
> but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer 
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>  
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she was 
> pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no problem ( 
> up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the 
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff