Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Wilm Boerhout]

I don't know what happened. Below is the complete message/question.

Wilm Boerhout schreef op 21-3-2017 om 09:34:
I brought up the VMS V4.7 + VWS 3.2 software as per Tony's recent 
instructions.


It is running quite nicely on my Windows10/Cygwin laptop. DEClander 
brings back sweet memories :-)


However, I'm struggling with keyboard mapping in the Workstation 
environment. The VWS software only lmows about VT220 and TEK4010 
terminals. I'm using a PC-style keyboard on the laptop. I cannot find 
a way to insert the proper mapping into the software environmet.


puTTY/VT102 works as always when I connect to a DZ/DH terminal. 
DECwindows (on VMS 7.x) also allows me to get the mapping right.


That I cannot use the VWS VT220 emulator for text editing is one 
thing, but to fly a DEClander without proper controls is appalling!


What am I missing?


/Wilm

version info:

MicroVAX II (KA630) simulator V4.0-0 Betagit commit id: e49f06dc
QVSS Display Created.  Uncaptured Input Mode

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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Wilm Boerhout]

I brought up the VMS V4.7 + VWS 3.2 software as per Tony's recent 
instructions.


It is running quite nicely on my Windows10/MinGW laptop. DEClander 
brings back sweet memories :-)


However, I'm struggling with keyboard mapping in the Workstation 
environment. The VWS software only lmows about VT220 and TEK4010 
terminals. I'm using a PC-style keyboard on the laptop. I cannot find a 
way to insert the proper mapping into the software environment.


puTTY/VT102 works as always when I connect to a DZ/DH terminal. 
DECwindows (on VMS 7.x) also allows me to get the mapping right.


That I cannot use the VWS VT220 emulator for text editing is one thing, 
but to fly a DEClander without proper controls is appalling!


What am I missing?

*/Wilm

*simh version:
MicroVAX II (KA630) simulator V4.0-0 Betagit commit id: e49f06dc
QVSS Display Created.  Uncaptured Input Mode*
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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Mark Pizzolato]

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote:
> >>
> >> The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module
> >> cards, which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also
> >> compatible with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL 
> >> for visualization.
> >>
> >> This is a native DecWindows interface.
> >
> > The eary VAXstations could also run VAXwindows, which predates
> > DECwindows and isn't based on X.  I used it at one time.  It was ok, but 
> > rather
> > slow.  It's not a client-server system as X is.  I wonder if any copies of 
> > the
> > software still exist.
> 
> A few years back I managed to image VWS V3.2 from an old TK50 distribution
> tape and successfully installed it under VAX/VMS V4.7 using SIMH microvax II
> (KA630) with "set cpu model=vaxstation"
> graphics enabled.
> 
> I put a copy of the tape image of VWS032 at
> 
>   https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ua4QU-
> 3W8kTG0yR2FMTmlZa0E/view?usp=sharing
> (just click Download).
> 
> To get VAX/VMS V4.7 installed, the distribution tapes are on ftp.trailing-
> edge.com.  You'll need to install VAX/VMS V4.6, apply the mandatory update
> for V4.6, upgrade to VAX/VMS V4.7 (all separate
> tapes)
> 
> bb-bt05d-be_vaxvms_v4_6_bin_c1987.tap
> bb-fy83c-be_vms_v4_6_mand_upd_c1987.tap
> bb-ky59a-be_vms_v4_7_bin_c1987.tap
> 
> There's also a couple of security updates for VAX/VMS V4.7 from TK50s that
> I've put at
> 
>   https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ua4QU-
> 3W8kLTBLaVpZbml6N0U/view?usp=sharing
> (again click Download)
> 
> It all fits on an RD54 emulated system disk - however it is a bit of a tight 
> fit.
> There's no Y2K fixes in VAX/VMS V4.7 but it seems to cope with the current
> date just fine.

There is absolutely no need to be stuck with a tight fit.  The RQ disks 
simulated
on the MicroVAX2 simulator can be any size.  VMS doesn't care one way or 
another.

- Mark
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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Tony Nicholson]

Reply in-line below...

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Paul Koning  wrote:
>
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module cards, 
>> which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also compatible 
>> with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL for 
>> visualization.
>>
>> This is a native DecWindows interface.
>
> The eary VAXstations could also run VAXwindows, which predates DECwindows and 
> isn't based on X.  I used it at one time.  It was ok, but rather slow.  It's 
> not a client-server system as X is.  I wonder if any copies of the software 
> still exist.

A few years back I managed to image VWS V3.2 from an old TK50
distribution tape and successfully installed it under VAX/VMS V4.7
using SIMH microvax II (KA630) with "set cpu model=vaxstation"
graphics enabled.

I put a copy of the tape image of VWS032 at

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ua4QU-3W8kTG0yR2FMTmlZa0E/view?usp=sharing
(just click Download).

To get VAX/VMS V4.7 installed, the distribution tapes are on
ftp.trailing-edge.com.  You'll need to install VAX/VMS V4.6, apply the
mandatory update for V4.6, upgrade to VAX/VMS V4.7 (all separate
tapes)

bb-bt05d-be_vaxvms_v4_6_bin_c1987.tap
bb-fy83c-be_vms_v4_6_mand_upd_c1987.tap
bb-ky59a-be_vms_v4_7_bin_c1987.tap

There's also a couple of security updates for VAX/VMS V4.7 from TK50s
that I've put at

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ua4QU-3W8kLTBLaVpZbml6N0U/view?usp=sharing
(again click Download)

It all fits on an RD54 emulated system disk - however it is a bit of a
tight fit.  There's no Y2K fixes in VAX/VMS V4.7 but it seems to cope
with the current date just fine.

Even though the software doesn't require a license key - running this
should be fine for any current OpenVMS Hobbyist.

Tony

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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Jeremy Begg]

Hi,

>I've seen references to VAXwindows.  I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not
>sure if it was a layered product or not.

VAXwindows was a layered product (like just about everything DEC sold for
VMS).  Without it a VAXstation of that era wouldn't be very user friendly,
but it would boot happily enough.  However all my VAX software CD-ROMs are
from V5.3(?) onwards so I very much doubt the VAXwindows product is there.

Jeremy Begg



>On Mar 9, 2017 8:31 PM, "Paul Koning"  wrote:

>>
>> > On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) <
>> david.hitt...@ngc.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module
>> cards, which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also
>> compatible with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL
>> for visualization.
>> >
>> > This is a native DecWindows interface.
>>
>> The eary VAXstations could also run VAXwindows, which predates DECwindows
>> and isn't based on X.  I used it at one time.  It was ok, but rather slow.
>> It's not a client-server system as X is.  I wonder if any copies of the
>> software still exist.
>>
>> paul
>>
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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Ray Jewhurst]

I've seen references to VAXwindows.  I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not
sure if it was a layered product or not. There is also a very primitive
window system for P/OS on the DECPro called Synergy  (which I would love to
find documentation for) that you could control with either the keyboard or
the digitizer. I comes with the P/OS package for xhomer but I have yet to
get it to  work with the mouse-emulated digitizer.

Ray

On Mar 9, 2017 8:31 PM, "Paul Koning"  wrote:


> On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) <
david.hitt...@ngc.com> wrote:
>
> The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module cards,
which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also compatible
with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL for
visualization.
>
> This is a native DecWindows interface.

The eary VAXstations could also run VAXwindows, which predates DECwindows
and isn't based on X.  I used it at one time.  It was ok, but rather slow.
It's not a client-server system as X is.  I wonder if any copies of the
software still exist.

paul

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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Ray Jewhurst]

I've seen references to VAXwindows.  I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not
sure if it was a layered product or not. There is also a very primitive
window system for P/OS on the DECPro called Synergy  (which I would love to
find documentation for) that you could control with either the keyboard or
the digitizer. I comes with the P/OS package for xhomer but I have yet to
get it to  work with the mouse-emulated digitizer.

Ray

On Mar 9, 2017 8:31 PM, "Paul Koning"  wrote:

>
> > On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) <
> david.hitt...@ngc.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module
> cards, which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also
> compatible with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL
> for visualization.
> >
> > This is a native DecWindows interface.
>
> The eary VAXstations could also run VAXwindows, which predates DECwindows
> and isn't based on X.  I used it at one time.  It was ok, but rather slow.
> It's not a client-server system as X is.  I wonder if any copies of the
> software still exist.
>
> paul
>
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Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

[Hittner, David T [US] (MS)]

The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module cards, which 
were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also compatible with 
VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL for visualization.

This is a native DecWindows interface.

To be honest, it's just as easy to start DecWindows headless on any VAX and 
connect to the headless DecWindows from your PC via X or X over SSH.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:43 PM
To: SIMH
Subject: EXT :[Simh] VAX SDL support?

Quick question - I saw SDL graphics support mentioned somewhere and wondered 
which emulators have graphics support? Do any of the VAX ones?

Can I run native DECWindows on any of them?

sampsa


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