Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhof...@gmail.com wrote: For those who see the fuzzy font rendering on Yosemite (probably if you don;t have a retina display), how does doing the following affect this? In Terminal.app type the following (while Skim is not running!): defaults write -app Skim AppleFontSmoothing -int 0 You can revert this later by writing: defaults delete -app Skim AppleFontSmoothing Another possibility is turning off LCD font smoothing in the Appearance system preferences (also restart Skim after doing that). But this does not seem to have much effect. The only thing I can think of for Preview to be really different from Skim is either if they use a hidden PDFKit feature (though I can't find any), or they force turning off font smoothing in the whole app (people report that changing the system font smoothing does not seem to have an effect on Preview, while it does on Skim.) I think that would be a very bad workaround as it would have side effects (and anyway overriding a user's preferences is bad). BTW, does the font in the Preview UI (not the PDF) look less smooth, especially if LCD font smoothing is turned on? Christiaan Thanks. I just tried this. This hidden preference seems to solve the problem. I also didn't notice much difference with Preview.app for the file I used. I have to live with it a little longer, seeing it with different files to be sure. But for now this looks like an improvement. -Ivan -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 15:24 , Dr Eberhard W Lisse e...@lisse.na wrote: I have noticed same behaviour within the latest TeXShop, which has an internal PDF reader, presumably PDFKit. It's been discussed in various places: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/207947/mac-os-yosemite-made-texshop-previews-unreadably-blurred which pointed to this… https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2joxlh/os_x_yosemite_1010_bug_thread/cleisr8 For those who see the fuzzy font rendering on Yosemite (probably if you don;t have a retina display), how does doing the following affect this? In Terminal.app type the following (while Skim is not running!): defaults write -app Skim AppleFontSmoothing -int 0 You can revert this later by writing: defaults delete -app Skim AppleFontSmoothing Another possibility is turning off LCD font smoothing in the Appearance system preferences (also restart Skim after doing that). But this does not seem to have much effect. The only thing I can think of for Preview to be really different from Skim is either if they use a hidden PDFKit feature (though I can't find any), or they force turning off font smoothing in the whole app (people report that changing the system font smoothing does not seem to have an effect on Preview, while it does on Skim.) I think that would be a very bad workaround as it would have side effects (and anyway overriding a user's preferences is bad). BTW, does the font in the Preview UI (not the PDF) look less smooth, especially if LCD font smoothing is turned on? Christiaan -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
I have noticed same behaviour within the latest TeXShop, which has an internal PDF reader, presumably PDFKit. On 2014-10-20 20:02 , Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: I seem to see this on my MacBook Air 11 Mid 2013 (ie non-Retina) However, it looks very reasonable and on Presentation mode it is fine/unchanged. So, all in all I don't mind. el On 2014-10-20 17:01 , Chiyuan Zhang wrote: I can confirm the issue on my Macbook Pro with retina display. The skim rendering does look darker and a little bit fuzzier than the preview rendering on the new Yosemite system. - chiyuan [...] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
PS: a final appendum to my point 2b Perhaps a detail: I just noticed that if you have View set to Automatically Resize and you open a PDF file, then it first renders as in Larger. If you then jiggle the window size, ever so slightly, it immediately switches to a rendering as in Smaller. In other words, its first rendering is still as in the case where the window is larger than the displayed PDF. Please let me know if my screen shots are good enough to appreciate these things. I took a shot of the window, rather than a box or the screen. Perhaps I should have taken the entire screen to keep the shot the same size when I changed the window size. -Ivan On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Follow the Hidden Preferences link, then go to Image Smoothing (SKImageInterpolation). Christiaan I poked around. I have two things to report. 1. Playing around with that hidden option did not improve things. I tried options 0 1 2 3 and noticed no improvement: it always rendered sub optimally. 2. I have noticed something interesting. The rendering depends crucially not just on the zoom level, but also, for a given zoom level, on whether the window is sized large enough to get the background color in the window, outside the PDF page I mean. that is, the grey region in Skim. In particular, a. for a given zoom level if I resize my window the rendering suddenly shifts when I go to a width that is larger than the page to one that is smaller. Larger: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5458jwhwtn1ngu/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.57.39.png?dl=0 Smaller: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hsk3xpohdx5iqi/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.58.07.png?dl=0 as you can see all I did was use my cursor to reduce the width from the right side of the window. The PDF displayed page did not move nor was it resized. But the rendering did change significantly. To be honest, both seem off to me, but the one where the window is smaller than the page looks better---perhaps even how it should/used to be, I am not sure really (still different than Preview). But the one where the window is larger than the PDF looks really blurry (as in low contrast) and blocky. Regardless, there is definitely a discrete change in the way things are rendering as one moves the window size as described. b. The same change happens if I click on Automatically Resize. If I know change the size of the window I always get a rendering that I believe is identical (or at least very similar) to the Smaller above. I hope this clue might help find where the issue is. -Ivan -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
I can see this effect on my MacBook Pro with non-retina display. Comparing the same PDF file in Preview and Skim, Preview renders a smoother output. One more thing that I have noticed is the difference in Actual Size zoom setting between Preview and Skim. Whereas Preview opens a page with the size of actual document, pressing cmd-0 generates a page that is smaller than the actual size of paper. Could it be related to retina vs non-retina displays? Hooman — Sent from Mailbox On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: PS: a final appendum to my point 2b Perhaps a detail: I just noticed that if you have View set to Automatically Resize and you open a PDF file, then it first renders as in Larger. If you then jiggle the window size, ever so slightly, it immediately switches to a rendering as in Smaller. In other words, its first rendering is still as in the case where the window is larger than the displayed PDF. Please let me know if my screen shots are good enough to appreciate these things. I took a shot of the window, rather than a box or the screen. Perhaps I should have taken the entire screen to keep the shot the same size when I changed the window size. -Ivan On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Follow the Hidden Preferences link, then go to Image Smoothing (SKImageInterpolation). Christiaan I poked around. I have two things to report. 1. Playing around with that hidden option did not improve things. I tried options 0 1 2 3 and noticed no improvement: it always rendered sub optimally. 2. I have noticed something interesting. The rendering depends crucially not just on the zoom level, but also, for a given zoom level, on whether the window is sized large enough to get the background color in the window, outside the PDF page I mean. that is, the grey region in Skim. In particular, a. for a given zoom level if I resize my window the rendering suddenly shifts when I go to a width that is larger than the page to one that is smaller. Larger: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5458jwhwtn1ngu/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.57.39.png?dl=0 Smaller: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hsk3xpohdx5iqi/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.58.07.png?dl=0 as you can see all I did was use my cursor to reduce the width from the right side of the window. The PDF displayed page did not move nor was it resized. But the rendering did change significantly. To be honest, both seem off to me, but the one where the window is smaller than the page looks better---perhaps even how it should/used to be, I am not sure really (still different than Preview). But the one where the window is larger than the PDF looks really blurry (as in low contrast) and blocky. Regardless, there is definitely a discrete change in the way things are rendering as one moves the window size as described. b. The same change happens if I click on Automatically Resize. If I know change the size of the window I always get a rendering that I believe is identical (or at least very similar) to the Smaller above. I hope this clue might help find where the issue is. -Ivan -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
I'd say it does not make much of an indication as to were the problem is. But it does show where the problem is not. And that is in Skim itself. The text is displayed by PDFKit. The only thing that we do is change the image interpolation, which should not affect the font rendering and apparently also doesn't. Everything else is pure PDFKit. And as it seems to be sensitive to layout of the window and redisplaying on changes to the layout, this really only points to PDFKit, as it should not depend on such things. Because, again, we are not involved in the rendering. Because of that, I really don't see how we could fix anything here, Apple really needs to fix this. As for the actual size, in Mac OSX the standard is to interpret 100% as 1pt mapping to 1px. And we call that actual size. In Preview you can also choose it to map to 1/72in, which is the printed page standard, but it depends on a pref setting. We call that physical size, with shortcut Opt-Cmd-0. Christiaan On Oct 21, 2014, at 19:22, Hooman Javidnia wrote: I can see this effect on my MacBook Pro with non-retina display. Comparing the same PDF file in Preview and Skim, Preview renders a smoother output. One more thing that I have noticed is the difference in Actual Size zoom setting between Preview and Skim. Whereas Preview opens a page with the size of actual document, pressing cmd-0 generates a page that is smaller than the actual size of paper. Could it be related to retina vs non-retina displays? Hooman — Sent from Mailbox On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: PS: a final appendum to my point 2b Perhaps a detail: I just noticed that if you have View set to Automatically Resize and you open a PDF file, then it first renders as in Larger. If you then jiggle the window size, ever so slightly, it immediately switches to a rendering as in Smaller. In other words, its first rendering is still as in the case where the window is larger than the displayed PDF. Please let me know if my screen shots are good enough to appreciate these things. I took a shot of the window, rather than a box or the screen. Perhaps I should have taken the entire screen to keep the shot the same size when I changed the window size. -Ivan On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Follow the Hidden Preferences link, then go to Image Smoothing (SKImageInterpolation). Christiaan I poked around. I have two things to report. 1. Playing around with that hidden option did not improve things. I tried options 0 1 2 3 and noticed no improvement: it always rendered sub optimally. 2. I have noticed something interesting. The rendering depends crucially not just on the zoom level, but also, for a given zoom level, on whether the window is sized large enough to get the background color in the window, outside the PDF page I mean. that is, the grey region in Skim. In particular, a. for a given zoom level if I resize my window the rendering suddenly shifts when I go to a width that is larger than the page to one that is smaller. Larger: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5458jwhwtn1ngu/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.57.39.png?dl=0 Smaller: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hsk3xpohdx5iqi/Screenshot%202014-10-21%2010.58.07.png?dl=0 as you can see all I did was use my cursor to reduce the width from the right side of the window. The PDF displayed page did not move nor was it resized. But the rendering did change significantly. To be honest, both seem off to me, but the one where the window is smaller than the page looks better---perhaps even how it should/used to be, I am not sure really (still different than Preview). But the one where the window is larger than the PDF looks really blurry (as in low contrast) and blocky. Regardless, there is definitely a discrete change in the way things are rendering as one moves the window size as described. b. The same change happens if I click on Automatically Resize. If I know change the size of the window I always get a rendering that I believe is identical (or at least very similar) to the Smaller above. I hope this clue might help find where the issue is. -Ivan -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users Christiaan -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
On Oct 20, 2014, at 06:05 , Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else noticing degrading resolution in Skim after an upgrade to Yosemite. Fonts look very bold and pixelated, and their contrast seems to vary a lot depending on the zoom level. Here is an example for comparison: (similar zoom levels; iMac screenshot): It was discussed on the macosx-tex list over the weekend: https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/2014-October/053079.html Sounds like it’s only a problem on non-Retina displays? — Adam -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
On Oct 20, 2014, at 16:43, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Oct 20, 2014, at 06:05 , Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else noticing degrading resolution in Skim after an upgrade to Yosemite. Fonts look very bold and pixelated, and their contrast seems to vary a lot depending on the zoom level. Here is an example for comparison: (similar zoom levels; iMac screenshot): It was discussed on the macosx-tex list over the weekend: https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/2014-October/053079.html Sounds like it’s only a problem on non-Retina displays? — Adam This is really weird, as this is just PDFKit. The only thing for font rendering is anti-aliasing, which is either on or off, there is no third setting. And that can be controlled in the preferences, but apparently does not do enough. So what else does Preview do, do they know something we don't do? Just one thing, that really should not matter, is the hidden preference setting for image interpolation (see the Wiki). Could someone try and play with that to see if that makes a difference? Christiaan -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
I can confirm the issue on my Macbook Pro with retina display. The skim rendering does look darker and a little bit fuzzier than the preview rendering on the new Yosemite system. - chiyuan On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell amaxw...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 20, 2014, at 06:05 , Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else noticing degrading resolution in Skim after an upgrade to Yosemite. Fonts look very bold and pixelated, and their contrast seems to vary a lot depending on the zoom level. Here is an example for comparison: (similar zoom levels; iMac screenshot): It was discussed on the macosx-tex list over the weekend: https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/2014-October/053079.html Sounds like it’s only a problem on non-Retina displays? — Adam -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Yosemite and Skim resolution
I seem to see this on my MacBook Air 11 Mid 2013 (ie non-Retina) However, it looks very reasonable and on Presentation mode it is fine/unchanged. So, all in all I don't mind. el On 2014-10-20 17:01 , Chiyuan Zhang wrote: I can confirm the issue on my Macbook Pro with retina display. The skim rendering does look darker and a little bit fuzzier than the preview rendering on the new Yosemite system. - chiyuan On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell amaxw...@mac.com mailto:amaxw...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 20, 2014, at 06:05 , Ivan Werning iwern...@gmail.com mailto:iwern...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else noticing degrading resolution in Skim after an upgrade to Yosemite. Fonts look very bold and pixelated, and their contrast seems to vary a lot depending on the zoom level. Here is an example for comparison: (similar zoom levels; iMac screenshot): It was discussed on the macosx-tex list over the weekend: https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/2014-October/053079.html Sounds like it’s only a problem on non-Retina displays? — Adam -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
