Re: [SLUG] Duplicating a HDD
Doug Stalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scenario: I have two HDDs that are identical (same brand, model, size, etc) and I want to make one a copy of the other. At the moment I'm just plaicng them both into a system, booting up from a disk with TOMSRTBT on it, and running dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hda. This works, but takes a long time - it has to copy all the blank space on the HDD as well, and the particular systems I'm using for this are *very* slow with HDD access. How could I do this quicker? sorry for the delayed response, but a small possibly useful point: try "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hda bs=10240k". Under solaris the default block size is 512 bytes so dd'ing anything large takes ages. My suggestion above is 10Mb block size, see if it makes a difference (i've no idea if linux does this similarly to solaris but don't see why not). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] RE: [LINK] FC: Microsoft Word and Excel track users, invade privacy (fwd)
From: Rick Welykochy The Privacy Foundation has just released an advisory on an issue that we discovered earlier this month in Microsoft Word. Office 97 was Web-enabled, so haven't these "Web Bugs" been around for a while? See: http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/index.htm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Weird Network Behaviour
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:20:29PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a *Really* weird networking problem - and I'm hoping it is something obvious that I have missed. Run tcpdump on the ippp0 interface, it will help track the problem. If I had to guess, I would say that the destination address your box is sending is wrong. Your routing table does look a little weird, eth0 has a host route, when it probably desn't need one, but ippp0 has a subnet when it only needs a host route, but it should probably still work. Heres mine for reference. Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 10.1.1.10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 10.1.1.10.0.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 This seems really strange and not what I expect to see. Any ideas ? It might help if you post your ppp config and a few lines of tcpdump. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re:[LINK] FC: Microsoft Word and Excel track users, invadeprivacy (fwd)
At 7:45 AM +1000 31/8/2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: M.S. phobics, privacy zealots and "real computer users" please take note ... Word can have a URL link to an image file. Not only does this send the usual information such as your host name etc it can also access the IE cookies file on your machine. Scary stuff. But I'm not a Word user. Tony -- --- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry On Aboriginal Policy "And if governments will not act, then this is a matter on which people must act to secure a government that will.The dignity and self esteem of Australia at some point will demand it." Malcolm Fraser 24 Aug 2000 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Rodos wrote: http://daimyo.org/bsod/ There is a good NT one there. That's fscking scarey. One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] NT and cityrail.
Hi The ip address of the server is familar! anyway it's zipworlds web server I have control of a box co located there and I can verify there is bandwidth available (well in australia anyway!) download from mirror.aarnet.edu.au - 700Kb a sec (bytes not bits) download from the box to a box a newcastle uni - 200Kb a sec download overseas well depends on the location but usually like 150kb a sec to zilch (depends) so no wonder why it's faster On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, John Ferlito wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 03:53:16PM +1100, Russell Davies wrote: After becoming extremely annoyed with the abysmal performance of http://timetables.cityrail.nsw.gov.au/, I set out to investigate what was going on when information could no longer be accessed one day. Shortly thereafter the pages were up again and the seemed to be running great! An nmap -O revealed the following.. Remote OS guesses: Linux 2.1.122 - 2.2.14, Linux kernel 2.2.13 I'm glad they woke up to themselves. What happened here is that there web server is running on their premises on whatever OS. Anyway their link became flooded. So they moved the timetables to the ISP's server. That's all assuming you're talking about an event that happened a fair while ago. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hello all anyone had this problem before ?
I have been out of action with linux for about 3 months now am back but i had a weird problem which i dont know how many other people have had this i could check my email or news and of course it sounds like a resolv.conf problem and it turns out it was but i had the right settings i couldnt figure where i was going wrong i mean i have another linux box on the network working and this one wasnt it wa annoying me to hell.. 3 months without my main linux box email or news . I went to extent of reinstalling operating systems and older/newer ones of slackware thinking it might fix the problem but to no avail. It turns out one day as i was implementing ssh and fixing a masq problem with network that mabe its slim chance but it could be . Once before i had a program trying to access this files settings i think it was licq anyway the file had right settings but licq couldnt see them so i deltted the file added same settings again and it worked. Well i deleted my resolv.conf put same settings and what do u know it fixed the problem 3 months without mail and all it was was a fucked file. ? Now my question is how does that happen the contents of the text files was fine but somehow it become screwed ?? has anyone else had this same problem -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Gnome window sizes
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 03:22:56PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Conrad Parker wrote: quick question ... anyone know how sawfish implements its scripting? (probably one of swig, or native guile [ie. guile but not via swig]) librep, a lightweight, embeddable Lisp interpreter/virtual machine/compiler. It feels a lot like elisp. It's lovely. In the FAQ, the author apologises for not using Guile, but didn't because he had already written rep, and so knew it inside-out. To do the maximise thing, reading the info leads me to believe that something like: (bind-key window-keymap "M-N" 'maximise-window) Might do the job. Unfortunately I'm running through an ssh session at the moment, so I can't check it. It might be more complicated than that. I would expect that you can specify this sort of thing through the "Customise" menu options. That's where I've done my key and button binding customisations. The only thing I've done with a hand-edited script is the apps-menu popup, which is bound to the right-button in the root window, naturally. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Gnome window sizes
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:07:52PM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 03:22:56PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Conrad Parker wrote: quick question ... anyone know how sawfish implements its scripting? (probably one of swig, or native guile [ie. guile but not via swig]) librep, a lightweight, embeddable Lisp interpreter/virtual machine/compiler. To do the maximise thing, reading the info leads me to believe that something like: (bind-key window-keymap "M-N" 'maximise-window) Hmm. I might have mis-understood the original question here. I suspect that what was originally suggested (all new windows automatically get maximised) might be a bit more work... -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: $50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. \ Bugger - why couldn't you have said this 3 weeks ago...:-( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ... John Wiltshire (SLUG) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Gnome window sizes
Andrew Reilly wrote: To do the maximise thing, reading the info leads me to believe that something like: (bind-key window-keymap "M-N" 'maximise-window) Matt wanted the apps to be maximised by default tho... That would take a little more peering into the lispness; not something I do every day. :) I would expect that you can specify this sort of thing through the "Customise" menu options. That's where I've done my key and button binding customisations. That's one of the things I like about Sawfish - it's very customisable, and humanely so - with a decent UI. Bit tough for newbies, but then, they're used to the much-less-customisable Other OS. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... (Keep them corny train jokes commin :) ) Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Weird Network Behaviour
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:22:00PM +1100, chesty wrote: Run tcpdump on the ippp0 interface, it will help track the problem. If I had to guess, I would say that the destination address your box is sending is wrong. Duh, I meant source address. ie traffic originating on the box, leaving on the ippp0 interface should have a source address from the ippp0 interface. I've seen it get confused about source ip addresses before. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Paul Robinson wrote: At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... And watch out for unreliable signals... - James -- James Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] OT(ish)
Windows error messages. http://www8.50megs.com/thepix/photos/special-pres/image245.htm -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ... John Wiltshire (SLUG) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:02:27PM +1100, Jon Biddell uttered: On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: $50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. Bugger - why couldn't you have said this 3 weeks ago...:-( You mean you have such a picture? Post it up and you'll win! No, I saw it 3 weeks ago, and it was there for at least twop days - I would have brought the camera in...:-( -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ... John Wiltshire (SLUG) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT(ish)
Jon Biddell wrote: Windows error messages. The funniest one is the 'Keyboard not plugged in - hit F1', because this is a real one. I used to get this sometimes on a machine with MS-DOS 4. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT(ish)
-Original Message- From: Tom Massey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT(ish) Jon Biddell wrote: Windows error messages. The funniest one is the 'Keyboard not plugged in - hit F1', because this is a real one. I used to get this sometimes on a machine with MS-DOS 4. This is also a common problem with most early BIOSs, having been factory set to "Halt on all Errors" at least now the factory standard is "Halt on all Errors Except keyboard" much handier, you can wait the ten mins for windows to load before realising the box is useless, you cant control it, and you cant even telnet or ssh into it and shut it down gracefully ;) Patrick Kelso -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] dropping to console from X problem ##
i have a problem with X. i can't press ctrl-alt-F key sequence to drop to a console -- i mean, it does drop to a console ... but the display doesn't reset the current X screen to the switched console screen. i have to type things in blind. it's like dropping to a console screen with a permanent screen capture of the current X screen. eg. if tty10 was in X, and i switched to tty15 with ctrl-alt-f5, linux will invisibly place me in/at a tty15 console, but with a frozen tty10 X screen-capture. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On 31-Aug-2000 John Wiltshire wrote: [] Most people don't set their watches by trains, nor complain if a train is 30 seconds early or late compared to when the sign said '1 minute to go'. Except in Switzerland. Bloody things there are accurate to the second. The trains, as well as the watches. Meanwhile, remaining vaguely on topic for the thread if not the list, I was delighted to discover on the BT stand (OK, 'Talk Zone') at the Dome on London a couple of weeks ago a large collection of touch-screen thingies for sending email. The first one featured the Win95 "This module has executed an illegal instruction" dialog, citing a module that wasn't MS's fault. Unfortunately, all attempts at getting it to go away produced one of those error dialogs the VxD layer produces. Now, how do you give a touch screen a 3 fingered salute? OTOH, the 3D scanner they have there - get a Quake skin of yourself - is kinda fun. -- Jim Hague - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Play) Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] IBM invests US$200M into Asia-Pacific
Hi guys, here's some nice news to wake up to. Begins shameless plug I have broken an article on LinuxWorld about IBM's investment of $200 million US over the next four years into Linux/open source development in the Asia-Pacific region. The full article is at: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?tid=2nid=212 Reading the article, you can probably tell how excited I was when I was writing. Imagine my face when IBM's Senior IT Linux specialist told me yesturday =)) Enjoy Gavin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] pap/chap script
is it possible to attach a sniffer to a dialup authentication session ? i need to dump or log what is sent to from my system to determine pap/chap/none authentication and the ppp talk (send-expect) script being issued from an isp. i know that usually ^SER and ^ASSWD are used. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anyone else had this problem?
yes i had the same problem. didn't take me that long to figure out though. the problem was a *space*. one extra space in there somewhere seems to be the downfall in some network config files. your can't see a space in your file but it can sure mess it up. i did the same fix as well. deleted the file and retyped it. that's why a rebuild doesn't always work. you copy the origional mucked up files back to the new build and get the same problem. Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! DaZZa I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. bez -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. They are running NT, On very expensive Digital PC's. I helped upgrade them once. Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IBM invests US$200M into Asia-Pacific
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Gavin Sherry wrote: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?tid=2nid=212 Ya know, those ampersand signs really _suck_ in URL's when you're viewing them from the console with LYNX. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SMS mesages to mobiles
-- Forwarded message -- From: Stefan Nantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] SMS mesages to mobiles Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:39:29 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, dose anybody knwo hoe to send a SMS messages from a linux box to and SMS mobile like telstrat or optus ??? Yep: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Email - mobile phone SMS Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:32:03 +1000 (EST) To: Luke at work [EMAIL PROTECTED] We tried this at work on Wednesday and it worked fine, and then again on Thursday in a real use. You can even reply to the email and it gets sent back as an SMS. Of course, the mobile phone user is charged an SMS fee, so you wouldn't be too pleased by spam. Though I guess the shortness of the messages would greatly limit the spam appeal. luke -- How To send email from ANY mobile phone to ANY email address. Go to the Write messages screen on your mobile phone Enter the email address you wish to send the message to (No blank spaces please) Enter one blank space after the address Continue to compose your email message When prompted for Telephone Number type 0866055506 if sending from Ireland or 353866055506 when OUTSIDE Ireland Remember the access number 086 6055506 It works with ALL Mobile Phones regardless of Mobile Phone Carrier. SkyCom host Go2mobile Freedom for FREE. However your mobile operator will charge a TEXT message fee. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, bez wrote: One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. That's fine - all a checkout crashing can do is waste time - an ATM crashing can lose you money! How? Say you put in your card, plug in your PIN, select withdraw, the ATM sends the request to the mainframe, receives confirmation that it can dispense money... And at THIS point the crappy WindoZe operating system running the hardware GPF's. You've got stuff all chance of proving it to the bank - their records say the money was dispensed - so you're stuffed. I'd be changing banks if I found out the ATM's at mine were running WindoZe. I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: James Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Paul Robinson wrote: At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... And watch out for unreliable signals... Windows doesn't have signals. Does that explain crashing? John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I'd be changing banks if I found out the ATM's at mine were running WindoZe. I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. That was just a quicked-up example - the actual mechanisms are probably different. And yes, you'd eventually be able to get it right - but not without _huge_ hassle - I've been in that situation. Sorting out a $150 transaction which went wrong took 4 MONTHS of abusing the bank. I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [OT] Blown up power supply?
It is possible to fix them, but extremly dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. Working with mains equipment is not the recommended way to learn about electronics. If you have to ask the questions you are asking, don't do it unless you can work with someone who really knows what they are doing. It can be a fire risk, or an electrocution risk. Not only that, you can pick up second hand supplies at computer fairs for as low as $10. It is not worth it. Cheers Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 6028, Lake Munmorah, NSW 2259 Ph: (+61)0500 551 228 , Fax: (+612) 43583113 Mob: 0408 201 228 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. Fair enough. Most of the embedded systems I've played with run a Unix, or Unix-like kernel. I think it has something to do with not reinventing the wheel. :-) Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. Yes, I once ended up reading a book on Automatic Teller Machines when I really wanted a book on Asynchronous Transfer Mode (it was an interlibrary loan, I do riffle the pages when I have the book in hand), but it was interesting anyway. There are mechanisms in the ATMs to guard against all sorts of situations, such as double counting to detect stuck bills, etc etc. I'm sure there is a small chance of an undetected error but the humans surrounding the system are more likely to give you grief. Another interesting fact in that book was how NCR captured the bulk of the market. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Kmail woes
I upgraded from SuSE 6.3 to 6.4 yesterday, and I happened to be looking at my Mail directory, when I noticed the size of the Inbox folder was huge. So I played around with it a bit, and deleted a whole swag of messages using pine, because they do not show on kmail. Has anybody else had this problem of kmail inbox getting huge, even though it is supposed to be empty ? But that's not all, when I got back into kmail, and I downloaded a new bacth of messages, and went to delete them, it went into HD thrashing mode, after half an hour of not responding to the keyboard, I had to presss the big red reset button, which subsequently thrashed the inode table in my boot partition ? Not a fun day. Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 6028, Lake Munmorah, NSW 2259 Ph: (+61)0500 551 228 , Fax: (+612) 43583113 Mob: 0408 201 228 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Fibre Channel
Hi there People, Have any of you out there had any experience with Emulex LightPulse LP8000 Fibre Channel Controllers and Seagate FC hard drives?? Does linux offer any support for these?? Any tricks / traps and is there anywhere that sells Fibre Channel cables etc to the public?? Thanks in advance. D. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory
Hi, I have openssh installed from the cutting edge CD RH6.2. When I want to connect to a working ssh server I get: ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory What does this mean? Bernhard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Don't keep us in suspense, how did NCR corner the market ? Cheers Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 6028, Lake Munmorah, NSW 2259 Ph: (+61)0500 551 228 , Fax: (+612) 43583113 Mob: 0408 201 228 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Don't keep us in suspense, how did NCR corner the market ? Simply by getting in first (I think they invented it or had some heavy involvement with it) and continually refining the product. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory
Hi, I have openssh installed from the cutting edge CD RH6.2. When I want to connect to a working ssh server I get: ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory What does this mean? Use the -v option to display more information. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire generated: I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. This is true, I've had ATMs show me my money, then snap it back because I was too slow in removing it. A call to the bank gets your money back. -- jamesw "We're like sisters... with really different hair!" -- Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, Michael Lake generated: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? -- jamesw "We're like sisters... with really different hair!" -- Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory
This is the output I am getting when I use -v (Note: IP address changed) [root@internet /root]# ssh -v 111.111.111.111 SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. Compiled with SSL. debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: Applying options for * debug: ssh_connect: getuid 0 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to 111.111.111.111 [111.111.111.111] port 22. debug: Allocated local port 977. debug: Connection established. ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory debug: Calling cleanup 0x80560b0(0x0) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Yap Sent: Friday, 1 September 2000 10:35 To: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory Hi, I have openssh installed from the cutting edge CD RH6.2. When I want to connect to a working ssh server I get: ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory What does this mean? Use the -v option to display more information. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, James Wilkinson wrote: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? You reboot the signal box, of course! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory
[root@internet /root]# ssh -v 111.111.111.111 SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. Compiled with SSL. debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: Applying options for * debug: ssh_connect: getuid 0 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to 111.111.111.111 [111.111.111.111] port 22. debug: Allocated local port 977. debug: Connection established. ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory debug: Calling cleanup 0x80560b0(0x0) It looks like the other side isn't playing ball and dropped the connection. Or some firewall got in the way. Could it have something to do with using a privileged port (997)? Try -P. A good session starts like this: SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. Compiled with SSL. debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: ssh_connect: getuid 502 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to xxx.yyy.zzz [10.10.10.10] port 22. debug: Allocated local port 998. debug: Connection established. debug: Remote protocol version 1.5, remote software version 1.2.27 debug: Waiting for server public key. What are the * options in /etc/ssh/config anyway? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? You reboot the signal box, of course! Does this mean the passengers are transported on the bus instead? Aaron Binns System Engineer Tower Technology Pty Ltd (02) 94242786 ** PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this email and you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the email to the addressee), please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory
ssh_exchange_identification: read: No such file or directory debug: Calling cleanup 0x80560b0(0x0) It looks like the other side isn't playing ball and dropped the connection. Or some firewall got in the way. Could it have something to do with using a privileged port (997)? Try -P. And another reason the other side might have dropped the connection is if it had been compiled with libwrap and you didn't add sshd: ALL to /etc/hosts.allow. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] CHAP
I need to setup a RH6.2 machine as a backup ISDN router. It dial's and connect's ok but CHAP won't work. If I dial via minicom and then switch over to the command line, I can force CHAP, and everything is OK. I have tried everything I can think of but it won't use CHAP via a script. I running RH6.2 and a Telstra 3com ISDN TA.
[SLUG] Re: [LINK] FC: Microsoft Word and Excel track users, invade privacy(fwd)
Ash Nallawalla wrote: From: Rick Welykochy The Privacy Foundation has just released an advisory on an issue that we discovered earlier this month in Microsoft Word. Office 97 was Web-enabled, so haven't these "Web Bugs" been around for a while? See: http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/index.htm The Star Office suite also allows image URLs to be included in documents, spreadsheets and presentations, which means that it also has the capacity to host web bugs. I would guess that most similar application suites have the same capability. Star Office of course runs on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. My checking was done on a Linux machine. Ross Johnson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: [LINK] FC: Microsoft Word and Excel track users, invade privacy (fwd)
From: Ross Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ash Nallawalla wrote: From: Rick Welykochy The Privacy Foundation has just released an advisory on an issue that we discovered earlier this month in Microsoft Word. Office 97 was Web-enabled, so haven't these "Web Bugs" been around for a while? See: http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/index.htm The Star Office suite also allows image URLs to be included in documents, spreadsheets and presentations, which means that it also has the capacity to host web bugs. I would guess that most similar application suites have the same capability. Star Office of course runs on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. My checking was done on a Linux machine. It depends on where StarOffice gets its cookies from. Basically there are two "problems" here: i) An embedded A HREF... in a Word document will cause a web connection to the appropriate site. On receiving this connection, a suitably engineered web page or web server could record the IP address (or proxy IP address) of the person reading the document. ii) Word invokes IE to do all its internet access (via WinInet APIs) and so the remote site can read/write any cookies on your local machine as if you were browsing it with IE (which in fact you are). This is actually the case for embedded A HREF tags in HTML email, Excel documents, and any other "web enabled" application that uses IE/WinInet to access the web. I guess the privacy concern is that someone may give you a word document on a floppy, or other non-net related transfer mechanism and the author can subtly notice that someone is reading their document without the person knowing. Using cookies they can be sure not to count a machine twice. I'm not sure how StarOffice does its web access - whether it uses its own web browser as a component, whose cookies it accesses and how it behaves with a "bugged" document. (I hate the term 'bug' in this context - makes me think of a programming error or something). Obvious solution to the cookies is to turn them off. Not sure about how to stop the net access, but as our document processors become more and more "Internet aware" we'll see the possibility of this type of activity become more readily available - Windows, Linux or MacOS. Do you really want your applications that use a common HTML renderer (including your web browser) asking you every time they access an image tag? Seems like a tough question to me. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. ... Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? NCR cash registers run SCO Unix. (from the SCO distributor) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Printing to dialed in PC
Hi, My problem is this: I have a windows 98 Pc which when networked on our network I can print to its printer in Linux using lpr -Plp filename. I want to be able to do the same if I disconnect its network cable and dial into the same linux machine using dial up networking. I can dial in, I can ping any machine on the network, I can browse the internet on the win98 PC but I cannot see it in any of the other windows machines network neighborhood nor can I print to it like I did before. I have tried various things like static and linux pc assigned ip addresses. The fact that it can ping and browse the web shows that the networking stuff is OK. any ideas would be appreciated...ASAP... regards Alister www.roadtechsystems.com.au
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
James Wilkinson wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, Michael Lake generated: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? Uninterruptable sleep would be a zombie passenger. Kill off that process. If they are just sleeping (ie interruptable) use the fg command to bring the background passenger back into the foreground. man bash Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Fibre Channel
About 15 years ago when I was with a Co. that imported Emulex: We bought the fibre cables from Emulex, pre-made to size. I suggest you check Google... - Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Snr Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dion Curchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2000 11:26 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [SLUG] Fibre Channel Hi there People, Have any of you out there had any experience with Emulex LightPulse LP8000 Fibre Channel Controllers and Seagate FC hard drives?? Does linux offer any support for these?? Any tricks / traps and is there anywhere that sells Fibre Channel cables etc to the public?? Thanks in advance. D. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Anyone else had this problem?
This must be a common problem with other *ix, too. I noticed that the solaris manpages warn about trailing spaces in this file. I guess the Linux behaviour is just mimicing that of other os's. - Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Snr Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2000 7:12 To: MaxAttack Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Anyone else had this problem? yes i had the same problem. didn't take me that long to figure out though. the problem was a *space*. one extra space in there somewhere seems to be the downfall in some network config files. your can't see a space in your file but it can sure mess it up. i did the same fix as well. deleted the file and retyped it. that's why a rebuild doesn't always work. you copy the origional mucked up files back to the new build and get the same problem. Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Michael Lake wrote: man bash Suffer the thought of continuing this thread, but... What exactly are you implying by man bash?!? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Help - Disaster Struck
The superblock on an importnant hard disk has fried. Attempts to boot the hard drive results in a Kernel Panic VFS: Unable to mount root fs. LILO boot ok. The error comes about when mount the root fs. Moving the disk to the second drive on a system and attempting to mount it result in messages about the superblock being corrupted and its an invalid ext2 fs. fsck -t ext2 also fails. It is definitely an ext2 fs. Low level diags say I have 3 bad sectors on the disk in the low range, but I don't have software to rectify them I need to get 1 or 2 configuration files off this hard drive, the reset can crash and burn I have even tried to use Norton Utilities in Maint Mode. Is there any tool or help or any secret mount/fsck options available Any help or advice is warmly appreciated. SK __ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Help - Disaster Struck
Moving the disk to the second drive on a system and attempting to mount it result in messages about the superblock being corrupted and its an invalid ext2 fs. fsck -t ext2 also fails. It is definitely an ext2 fs. Try the -b superblock option of e2fsck to specify an alternate superblock. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Forwarding internal FTP connections
Try PASV mode FTP. It's rather difficult to port forward active (standard) FTP, because it uses high numbered ports for the actual data transfer. You would need to forward a whole bunch of ports. I'm not sure which ports though. Chuck Wrote Stephen Graham on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 02:39:05PM +1000: What I am trying to currently do is forward an inbound FTP connection from the net to an internal machine. Forwarding outbound connections has been working fine for some time now. I am running the 2.2.14 kernel (debian stable), and using ipmasqadm to set up my firewalling rules. ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $EXTIP 21 -R 192.168.0.100 21 ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $EXTIP 20 -R 192.168.0.100 20 I can connect to the internal FTP server fine from EXTERNAL (internet) addresses. I understand how connecting to the masqueraded internal FTP server from an internal address will not work, but that is not a problem. However, as soon as I try any active commands (ie try to get the listing of files in a directory, or even try any transfers) the connection just seems to hang. [ charles hamilton dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
-Original Message- From: John Wiltshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2000 10:10 AM To: 'DaZZa'; John Wiltshire Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. Fair enough. Most of the embedded systems I've played with run a Unix, or Unix-like kernel. I think it has something to do with not reinventing the wheel. :-) Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? Well, I dont know about ATM's but I know life support systems in America use Solaris as their OS, which makes sense I guess, if they used NT the BSOD would suddenly have a whole new meaning ;) Patrick Kelso John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Forwarding internal FTP connections
Stephen Graham wrote: What I am trying to currently do is forward an inbound FTP connection from the net to an internal machine. Below are the salient parts of my rc.firewall file # # Supports the proper masquerading of FTP file transfers using the PORT # method /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp Oh. So you're using ip_masq_ftp... :) You may want to look at Fred Vile's (Viles's?) patch for doing this... You'll find a link to it in the (most excellent) IP Masquerading HOWTO. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Forwarding internal FTP connections
It's rather difficult to port forward active (standard) FTP, because it uses high numbered ports for the actual data transfer. You would need to forward a whole bunch of ports. I'm not sure which ports though. Well, no that's not the reason. Both active and passive FTP use the same number of connections, one command and one data. The difference is in which side offers the data port for connection. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Forwarding internal FTP connections
Wrote Ken Yap on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:22:56PM +1100: It's rather difficult to port forward active (standard) FTP, because it uses high numbered ports for the actual data transfer. You would need to forward a whole bunch of ports. I'm not sure which ports though. Well, no that's not the reason. Both active and passive FTP use the same number of connections, one command and one data. The difference is in which side offers the data port for connection. Ah ok - I was always a little hazy on what passive mode did exactly. So it just means that the remote server won't make a return connection to send data. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
James Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire generated: I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. This is true, I've had ATMs show me my money, then snap it back because I was too slow in removing it. A call to the bank gets your money back. yep and I've had ones short change me, hence now I always count what the machine gives me before departing the scene. I rang the bank branch who owned the machine the next working day and told them. They "balanced" the machine (ie. counted the money and matched transactions etc) and found it had more than it should by exactly the amount I claimed ($40 or $60 or something) so they gave it back to me. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
