[SLUG] Laserjet 1100 RedHat 6.2 printing problems
Hello sluggers, Recently decided to connect a HP Laserjet 1100 to an old Pentium 100 Rehat 6.2 box that I've got lying around. For now I'd just like to get Linux to print to it, then share it across the network with Samba. I'm pretty familiar with Samba for file sharing, but this is the first time I've connected a printer to a Linux box, so please bear with me :-) I've tried to read as much of the Linux Printing HOWTO as possible, but I find the range of options confusing. So far I've done the following: 1. Attached the printer, executed LPD daemon and then run printtool under Red Hat 6.2 2. Created an entry under Printtool with the following properties: Name: LP Spool directory:/var/spool/lpd/lp File limit: 0 Printer device: /dev/lp0 Input filter: *auto* Laser Jet 4/5/6 - No postscript support Suppress headers: On 3. Attempt to test the entry by selecting Tests -- Print ASCII Test Page Printtool confirms that a job was spooled. And that's about it, no lights blink on the printer and no further messages appear. If I investigate the spool directory I get quite a number of files: cfA000elvis cfA004elvis cfA008elvis dfA001elvis dfA005elvis dfA010elvis lock cfA001elvis cfA005elvis cfA010elvis dfA002elvis dfA006elvis dfA011elvis postscript.cfg cfA002elvis cfA006elvis cfA011elvis dfA003elvis dfA007elvis filter status cfA003elvis cfA007elvis dfA000elvis dfA004elvis dfA008elvis general.cfg textonly.cf Not sure if I've selected the right filter under the Printtool, I went with a suggestion from another HP user on a Linux printing related Web site. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Carl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] A GhostView question.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Cat: moggy X-Dog: MUTT When I go into GhostView to look at an .eps/.ps file, there's two numbers that go frantic in the top LH corner that go frantic when I move the cursor. I assume they are co-ordinates and are measured in either pixels/points. Is there any way to change them to millimetres? They'd be a better help this way. Regards, Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
John Clarke wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:55:00AM +1000, Matthew Hannigan wrote: If applying a new kernel rpm doesn't look after lilo for you as well, I'd call that a bug. I don't agree. If installing a kernel package overwrites my lilo config I'd call *that* a bug. I never use the stock kernel; I always rebuild with my own config and then install, so the last thing I'd want is for the upgrade to force something other than my custom kernel to boot. Turn that around; imagine you are a newbie and installing a kernel rpm did nothing at all. What use is that?! What deity ordained that you must know about grub/lilo/milo blah blah just because you want to upgrade your kernel so that you can use your nice new video camera? It's been said before; the experienced can look after themselves; let the computer do whatever it can do for you that can make your life easier. Anyway who said anything about overwriting? Lilo.conf has stanzas for a reason. Regards, -MAtt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:53:42PM +1000, Matthew Hannigan wrote: John Clarke wrote: I don't agree. If installing a kernel package overwrites my lilo config I'd call *that* a bug. I never use the stock kernel; I always rebuild with my own config and then install, so the last thing I'd want is for the upgrade to force something other than my custom kernel to boot. Turn that around; imagine you are a newbie and installing a kernel rpm did nothing at all. What use is that?! What deity ordained that you must know about grub/lilo/milo blah blah just because you want to upgrade your kernel so that you can use your nice new video camera? OK, fair point. I still don't want it to touch *my* lilo.conf. How about a compromise: rather than automatically upgrade lilo.conf, prompt the user (I wouldn't complain if the default was `yes', as long as I could say `no'). It could even provide the option of rebooting into the new kernel immediately (but only if the update to lilo.conf could be done and lilo ran OK). It's been said before; the experienced can look after themselves; let the computer do whatever it can do for you that can make your life easier. Try to have the computer do too much to try to make life easier and you'll end with something like Windows. Change that to: have the computer do what it reasonably can to make life easier for the inexperienced user without making it impossible for the experienced user, and I'll agree with you. Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F http://kirriwa.net/john/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 16:53, Matthew Hannigan wrote: Turn that around; imagine you are a newbie and installing a kernel rpm did nothing at all. What use is that?! What deity ordained that you must know about grub/lilo/milo blah blah just because you want to upgrade your kernel so that you can use your nice new video camera? It's been said before; the experienced can look after themselves; let the computer do whatever it can do for you that can make your life easier. Anyway who said anything about overwriting? Lilo.conf has stanzas for a reason. At the risk of starting a distro war.. Debians kernel package handles this nicely (at least ones that you build yourself). It prompts the user regarding lilo and asks if they want a boot disk created etc. Best of both worlds IMHO, perhaps redhat could adopt something similar. Greeno -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +61-(0)2-9500-9996 Mobile: +61-(0)4-2521-9996 GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] SLUG meeting summary...
Ok, Tony asked me to write up a brief summary for the SLUG meeting last week so now I'm trying my best to remember what's happened. This SLUG night started off with Glen Brunning and Tyson Clugg from Melbourne Wireless giving a brief talk on their organisation. They covered plans for community networks and described how Linux can be used to provide these wireless networks. It was a very good and informative session with lots of questions from the audience answered. Anthony talked about this nice web pad device called Aquapad. It is powered by the Transmeta Crusoe processor, installed with Midori Linux with X running at a decent resolution, with 32MB of internal compact flash for data storage. It has a pcmcia slot, a compact flash slot, an infrared port, a cradle for turning it into a small workstation, and much more. It has Mozilla installed, so with a wireless LAN card you could browse the web in your bed before you fall asleep :) Tony Green briefly talked about how good Spam assassin is and everyone had gone sort of very excited all of a sudden. It was a nice and quick talk. Got spam? Install Spam assassin! It rocks! Tony said his^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H's talk rocked too! :) And then Andrew Bennetts went through the basics of Python and showed us all kinds of funky stuffs you could do, such as changing the object hierarchy on the fly! Also the python one-liner mandelbrot. He also announced the beginning of the SLUG Python Interest Group (PIG) starting from May 20th 2002 at Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel, on the third Monday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join in and share the passion for Python. I didn't go for the dinner but I'm quite sure it was real fun, so now maybe someone could continue this SLUG summary with the dinner :) -- Pigeon. - If you have the source, you have the whole world... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Install successful; connection dies @ 40 secs.
On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 15:42, Adam Bogacki wrote: I have tried them from 2 to 10 with no difference. I have disabled 'demand' and 'persist' in the Advanced section of 'pppconfig' and have enabled 'demand' but not 'persist' in /etc/ppp/options. you have just got 'debug' not 'debug n'? cos my manpage for pppd says the options are 'debug' and 'kdebug n' Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
quote who=Matthew Hannigan Turn that around; imagine you are a newbie and installing a kernel rpm did nothing at all. What use is that?! Well, first off, RPMs are supposed to install non-interactively. Additionally, the use of GRUB means that you can pick and choose on startup without the same configuration requirements as LILO. Plus you can set the default at the same time. So, once you consider the requirements for RPM installations, and throw GRUB into the mix, it's far less of a problem. - Jeff -- But in the software world, that's daily business. - Kent Beck That's pissing money away and leaving scar tissue. - Alan Cooper -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting summary...
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Pigeon wrote: Ok, Tony asked me to write up a brief summary for the SLUG meeting last week so now I'm trying my best to remember what's happened. This SLUG night started off with Glen Brunning and Tyson Clugg from Melbourne Wireless giving a brief talk on their organisation. They covered plans for community networks and described how Linux can be used to provide these wireless networks. It was a very good and informative session with lots of questions from the audience answered. Anthony talked about this nice web pad device called Aquapad. It is powered by the Transmeta Crusoe processor, installed with Midori Linux with X running at a decent resolution, with 32MB of internal compact flash for data storage. It has a pcmcia slot, a compact flash slot, an infrared port, a cradle for turning it into a small workstation, and much more. It has Mozilla installed, so with a wireless LAN card you could browse the web in your bed before you fall asleep :) Tony Green briefly talked about how good Spam assassin is and everyone had gone sort of very excited all of a sudden. It was a nice and quick talk. Got spam? Install Spam assassin! It rocks! Tony said his^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H's talk rocked too! :) And then Andrew Bennetts went through the basics of Python and showed us all kinds of funky stuffs you could do, such as changing the object hierarchy on the fly! Also the python one-liner mandelbrot. He also announced the beginning of the SLUG Python Interest Group (PIG) starting from May 20th 2002 at Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel, on the third Monday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join in and share the passion for Python. I didn't go for the dinner but I'm quite sure it was real fun, so now maybe someone could continue this SLUG summary with the dinner :) -- Pigeon. Ah. The fun continued... Starting with some differing opinions on the best way to get to the restaurant. Some went over, some went under... All arrived safely. :) Lots of post-talk discussion was happening through the evening, as is usually the case, but I'm suprised the wireless guys got to eat. Lots of people with questions, comments, and wanting wireless cards... Oh. Did I mention the food? New location was Spice Boys at Central, Reported by a certain comittee member to serve the best curry outside England. All I've got to say is 'Hmm. Onion Bhajee.' :) Delicious appetisers, followed by a selection of good curries... What more could you want? If Chinese was getting boring, this was the answer. :) Of course, this is just one fragment. Comments from others? -- Jessica Mayo. (Everything with a Grin :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian SIG
This month we have Matt Hope delivering a talk on on Debian systems administration relative to managing a bunch of similar servers and or workstations with an emphasis on QA. Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing. Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs) When: Wednesday, 8th of May 19:00 - 20:00 Cost: $0, $10 if you pre-order tea/coffee Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late) - Domain (closes 21:00) or - Beside the Bells Hotel Upcoming Speakers Include: - June - TBC but I've convinced David McGuire talk about his experiences getting Debian working on an iBook. - July - Your name here? -- Cheers, Craige. GPG Key fingerprint = C206 904F 5231 2F2E 8DAA F094 5879 71B5 0960 CF37 Sydney Linux Users Group - http://slug.org.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG
On Wed, 01 May 2002, Craige McWhirter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : This month we have Matt Hope delivering a talk on on Debian systems : administration relative to managing a bunch of similar servers and or : workstations with an emphasis on QA. Right. Umm... bugger. where did I leave my notes? Background: I'm currently maintaining a mini-cluster of mail/web/dns servers, a lab of workstations. I'll be talking about tools and strategies for maintaining and updating them, keeping them in a useable state, and keeping those pesky users off your back. At least thats what I hope to address. I admit I don't know any^Weverythign about this - and there will be others around who have similar experence. Because of this, and the rumoured pack of projector, this will hopefully follow a `Question and Answer' format. If there is anybody heading to this from Kensington/UNSW area, there will probably be a bunch of us all heading there together. [ Apologies to Craige for my previously very bad description of my talk ] : Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing. : : Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs) : When: Wednesday, 8th of May 19:00 - 20:00 : Cost: $0, : $10 if you pre-order tea/coffee : Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available : Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late) : - Domain (closes 21:00) or : - Beside the Bells Hotel : : Upcoming Speakers Include: : - June - TBC but I've convinced David McGuire talk about his experiences : getting Debian working on an iBook. : - July - Your name here? : : -- : : Cheers, : Craige. : : GPG Key fingerprint = C206 904F 5231 2F2E 8DAA F094 5879 71B5 0960 CF37 : `- msg23105/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Of web-cams with video recorder etc.
quote who=Ben Donohue Has anyone had any experience with web-cams+video recorders+time lapse using Linux as the server? You may wish to investigate 'motion': motion uses a video4linux device for detecting movement. It makes snapshots of the movement which later will be converted to MPEG movies, making it usable as an observation or security system. It can send out email and SMS messages when detecting motion. http://motion.technolust.cx/ Cheers, J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ENOSIG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Install successful; connection dies @ 40 secs.
quote who=Adam Bogacki Thanks Dave, I'm sorry that it's taken so long but I have been doing other things as well. It's starting to make sense and, of course, you were right. Enabling 'debug' in /etc/ppp/options and running 'pon primus' elicits '/usr/sbin/pppd: invalid numeric parameter '9' for idle option' Um, do you have idle 9 or idle 9 in the ppp options config? The latter is correct... the first will give the above error J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ENOSIG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Open Office 1.0 released today - [Commercial]
OpenOffice 1.0 has been released today. A cd which contains both the windows and linux versions of OpenOffice will be available in 2 days for a total of AUS$5.00 which includes postage and handling. If you wish to have a copy please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thankyou Karun [EMAIL PROTECTED] OPENOFFICE.ORG COMMUNITY ANNOUNCES OPENOFFICE.ORG 1.O: FREE OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SOFTWARE Global Community Builds Full-Featured Office Suite With Revolutionary Momentum May 1, 2002 - The OpenOffice.org community (www.openoffice.org) today announced the availability of OpenOffice.org 1.0, the open source, multi-platform, multi-lingual office productivity suite available as a free download at the OpenOffice.org community website. OpenOffice.org 1.0 is the culmination of more than 18 months of collaborative effort by members of the OpenOffice.org community, which is comprised of Sun employees, volunteer developers, marketers, and end users working to create an international office suite that will run on all major platforms. OpenOffice.org 1.0, which shares the same code base as Sun's StarOffice [tm] 6.0 software is - like StarOffice 6.0 software - a full-featured office suite that provides a near drop-in replacement for Microsoft Office. OpenOffice.org 1.0 offers software freedom, enabling a free market for service and support, while the Sun-branded product, StarOffice 6.0 software, offers 24x7 fee-based support and training for consumers and businesses, along with deployment and migration services. StarOffice software also offers additional features, such as a database, special fonts and Sun quality and assurance testing. The two office suites complement each other, meeting the varying needs of consumers, open source advocates and enterprise customers. OpenOffice.org 1.0 may be the single best hope for consumers fed-up with Microsoft's desktop monopoly, said Eric Raymond, co-founder of the Open Source Initiative (OSI). With Sun moving to a full service and support business model for StarOffice software, users around the globe will continue to have a free office productivity software tool through the OpenOffice.org open source community. The OpenOffice.org 1.0 office suite features key desktop applications - including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and drawing programs - in more than 25 languages. In addition, OpenOffice.org 1.0 works transparently with a variety of file formats, enabling users familiar with other office suites, such as Microsoft Office and StarOffice software, to work seamlessly in the application. The OpenOffice.org 1.0 software runs stably and natively on multiple platforms, including Linux, PPC Linux, Solaris [tm], Windows and many other flavors of Unix. OpenOffice.org is the largest open source project with more than 7.5 million lines of code. To date, more than 4.5 million downloads of earlier versions of OpenOffice.org 1.0 have taken place. With the release of the 1.0 version, the OpenOffice.org community expects that number to grow significantly as businesses and individuals around the world explore the free alternative to proprietary office suites. The OpenOffice.org Community In less than two years, the OpenOffice.org community has grown to more than 10,000 volunteers, working together to build the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. Sun initiated this effort by donating the StarOffice software source code and engineering to the OpenOffice.org community. One of the major benefits of community-based development is peer review, which has resulted in a stable, secure and flexible software package. Participants in the Community work on projects ranging from code development to porting and localization, to bug reporting, documentation, product marketing, local language sites and mirror sites for software download. There are many important roles that volunteer developers can play to shape the future functionality of OpenOffice.org (OOo) so if you are looking for someplace to contribute, OOo can use you, said Kevin Hendricks, a key contributor to the OpenOffice.org community since its inception nearly two years ago. Hendricks has lead volunteer development teams for both the OpenOffice.org 1.0 spellchecker and PPC Linux port projects. When OpenOffice.org was released, it was a tremendous amount of code with a very deep history, and thus we knew it would take a lot of time and effort to reach a critical mass of community participation, said Brian Behlendorf, CTO and co-founder, CollabNet. The project has now attracted a significant amount of outside involvement, some of it in pretty interesting areas like marketing and quality assurance. With the release of 1.0, it's clear those efforts are bearing real fruit. Congratulations to the community -- and to Sun -- for making this happen. CollabNet's SourceCast application enables
[SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- Richard Hayes Talent Internet http://www.talent.com.au Tel: (02) 9439 8300 Fax: (02) 9439 8327 Mob: 0414 618 425 ABN 94 002 775 215 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 10:04, Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? You won't be able to buy one until it is released. As you said, the easiest way is to upgrade from potato, or download a boot floopy/small iso (40 - 130mb) and install from that. Greeno -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +61-(0)2-9500-9996 Mobile: +61-(0)4-2521-9996 GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
Hi, Not sure who would sell it, but if you have friends with optus cable, get them to snag it from here and burn it for you. http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/woody/i386/ Thanks Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] (alias email) - Original Message - From: Richard Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 10:04 am Subject: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD? Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- Richard Hayes Talent Internet http://www.talent.com.au Tel: (02) 9439 8300 Fax: (02) 9439 8327 Mob: 0414 618 425 ABN 94 002 775 215 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug Powered by telstra.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
John Clarke wrote: How about a compromise: rather than automatically upgrade lilo.conf, prompt the user (I wouldn't complain if the default was `yes', as long as I could say `no'). It could even provide the option of rebooting into the new kernel immediately (but only if the update to lilo.conf could be done and lilo ran OK). It's been said before; the experienced can look after themselves; let the computer do whatever it can do for you that can make your life easier. Try to have the computer do too much to try to make life easier and you'll end with something like Windows. Change that to: have the computer do what it reasonably can to make life easier for the inexperienced user without making it impossible for the experienced user, and I'll agree with you. I can understand some want an auto upgrade and change the config files s they don't want want to edit them themselves or even wish to; others have their own customisations. One solution ;-) /etc/expertise/ touch [ newbie | experienced | guru | wizard ] The upgrade process looks at the experience level directory. If newbie overwrite config; else if experienced ask etc etc :-) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER = This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. = -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Fwd: (offtopic) Banks 'n' browsers
Hello Slug, I know there were various experiences with Banks down here, maybe some of you even wrote something up to help other Linux users -- this message is along those lines. If you have anything you can offer, or would like to mention, you can do so to Evan direct, or via myself, please do not post replies to the LIST :) Evan often writes for Zdnet, is on the Board for the LPI in Canada runs a hosting company called Starnix -- he is a strong supporter of Linux. Below is our exchange. *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** On 1/05/2002 at 4:09 PM Evan Leibovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 1 May 2002, Greg Wright wrote: There was lots of talk at one time in SLUG www.slug.org.au on this topic, you will find links to archives on the site. Of course it was only on AU banks. I've looked at the archive and see some discussion, but only a _wish_ for some kind of resource. Could you kindly post a message to the list mentioning my URL and asking if anyone would like to submit their experiences with Australian banks to me? I already have entries for Canada, the US and Britain -- I'd be happy to add in anything from around the world. Thanks! For more info, this is how the discussion started out . A discussion in my local user group started on how some of our local banks' online services were friendlier to Linux browsers than others. I started putting the discussion in the form of a web page, which can (at least for now) be found at http://www.leibovitch.ca/banks-n-browsers.html I'm curious to know if 1) this kind of site, extended to other banks (and maybe even high-profile websites) would be of general public interest 2) anyone else is doing this kind of thing (better to contribute to an existing effort than to reinvent the wheel 3) anyone here has any comments or suggestions before I develop the page a bit more and make it public. - Evan - Evan *** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting summary...
Jessica Mayo wrote: Oh. Did I mention the food? New location was Spice Boys at Central, Reported by a certain comittee member to serve the best curry outside England. All I've got to say is 'Hmm. Onion Bhajee.' :) Delicious appetisers, followed by a selection of good curries... What more could you want? If Chinese was getting boring, this was the answer. :) Of course, this is just one fragment. Comments from others? Ah you didn't see me then get up and take the Tandoori Chicken to the counter and ask to see the boss? The chicken inside was raw. It even had red blood filled veins running through it. A few other round me at the table saw it too. Not good. The boss was so worried when he saw the raw chicken, his eyes even bulged out more than normal :-) I just let the guy know that we did enjoy the food, we were still happy, but that it is quite dangerous to serve raw chicken - as he well knew. Given that I think they will be moer careful next time. I certainly prefered that over the chinese. A nice change and I look forward to more tandoori and butter chicken next month :-) (U, yum yum - nice yummy and very very fattening butter chicken) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER = This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian or Redhat
With out starting a distro war. I am currently running redhat 7.2 and SuSe 7.3 Sparc. I have just started attending the slug meetings and I have been hearing a lot Debian. Can people comment on the differences between the two. Both the lay out of the file system and the its package manager. Are there things that I can get for Debian that I can't for Redhat or vis versa. Please note I usually try to download source packages and compile and install and use the rpm for convenience Can take this off line and mail directly to me. Thanxs Alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: user friendliness (Re: [SLUG] Network Card Error)
Michael Lake wrote: John Clarke wrote: How about a compromise: rather than automatically upgrade lilo.conf, prompt the user (I wouldn't complain if the default was `yes', as long as I could say `no'). It could even provide the option of rebooting into the new kernel immediately (but only if the update to lilo.conf could be done and lilo ran OK). Someone else mentioned that rpms are expected to install completely non-interactively. I think thats a good thing. Anyway I think that rpm already has the option you want; it's something like rpm --install --noconfig It's been said before; the experienced can look after themselves; let the computer do whatever it can do for you that can make your life easier. Try to have the computer do too much to try to make life easier and you'll end with something like Windows. Change that to: have the computer do what it reasonably can to make life easier for the inexperienced user without making it impossible for the experienced user, and I'll agree with you. I can understand some want an auto upgrade and change the config files s they don't want want to edit them themselves or even wish to; others have their own customisations. One solution ;-) /etc/expertise/ touch [ newbie | experienced | guru | wizard ] The upgrade process looks at the experience level directory. If newbie overwrite config; else if experienced ask etc etc :-) I had thought the same thing myself, but I'm pretty much convinced that too many choices like this reduce usability. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/20020427.html There usually IS a RIGHT way to do it. It's nice to know that debian does the right thing. Experts won't install kernel rpms anyway, they'll pull down the tar ball or a kernel source rpm. -Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 11:21, Alex Samad wrote: With out starting a distro war. I am currently running redhat 7.2 and SuSe 7.3 Sparc. I have just started attending the slug meetings and I have been hearing a lot Debian. Can people comment on the differences between the two. Both the lay out of the file system and the its package manager. Are there things that I can get for Debian that I can't for Redhat or vis versa. Please note I usually try to download source packages and compile and install and use the rpm for convenience Can take this off line and mail directly to me. If we do keep this on list, can we PLEASE all try to be rational and not flame people for thinking differently... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] In need of some advice...
Hello slug, ok any1 offer any advice on this... need a backup solution, on a data backup of about 20gigs a day, however has to be taken off site, and tapes isn't an acceptable solution as the client did accept it as a solution... also can't shut the box down... At this stage some sort of USB (speed isn't an issue) or wireless/off site box else where is the current thinking... -- Best regards, evilbunny mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.SydneyWireless.com - Exercise your communications freedom to make it do what you never thought possible... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
I pick Redhat because Lotus Domino server runs on it. Not sure about Debian but Debian seems not so popular in Lotus Notes community. My impression is that Debian is newer than Redhat so possibly Redhat is more stable. Cheers Lee Linux newbie _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
I pick Redhat because Lotus Domino server runs on it. Not sure about Debian but Debian seems not so popular in Lotus Notes community. My impression is that Debian is newer than Redhat so possibly Redhat is more stable. Without starting a war... and being a long time debian user and fan. I have disagree. Debian while being more bleeding edge by offering users the option to apt-get testing and unstable releases. However I must comment that debian releases (aka stable tree) are always very stable. If anything, have less security issues then the rushed out redhat releases we use to see. However this is my opinion only. Thanks Powered by telstra.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
I've been using RH for years, and recently I'm starting to switch over to Debian. If you are basically looking for a Desk Top, I would be inclined to stick to RH.. it's much easier and less stress. If you are looking at a server, use Debian. It's much safer and far more robust. Apt-get leaves rpm for dead, and the security is easily better. File system is not so different to be a problem, from what I've seen, but Debian is much stricter in the way it's laid out and directories are used, so in the end it's more predictable. Debian assumes you know what you are doing, Redhat assumes you DON'T know what you are doing. Just personal observations.. from the point of view of a non-expert. David. On Thu, 2 May 2002, Alex Samad wrote: With out starting a distro war. I am currently running redhat 7.2 and SuSe 7.3 Sparc. I have just started attending the slug meetings and I have been hearing a lot Debian. Can people comment on the differences between the two. Both the lay out of the file system and the its package manager. Are there things that I can get for Debian that I can't for Redhat or vis versa. Please note I usually try to download source packages and compile and install and use the rpm for convenience Can take this off line and mail directly to me. Thanxs Alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
I have used both extensively in the past, Im no expert, my comments don't matter (but i know you'll read them.. ) At work we use Debian 2.2r3. I started out on Redhat at 4.2 and switched to debian for 8 months around the 2.1(i think) mark after absolute recommendations by a respected friend. My experiences are good for both. Redhat i still find easier for installs and the like. (but that's probably just me as I got into Debian late in the game) comment value=2c type=Clay Money worth=nadda take with a grain of salt and a lemon Basis: I don't use XWindows. this is just for Development stuff, command line, web development, databases Redhat: Positive emphasiseI/emphasise like because of it's installs and network card installs and detectection .. and it's pretty colors Negative emphasiseI/emphasise didn't like RedHat because init.d was under /etc/rc.d/ and not /etc/init.d (maybe this is a good thing. im just fussy on minor points) and they 'change default installs of the original programs' Debian: I guess, I like because I know where config stuff etc is, ie not hidden behind tools and the like, but there is always merit for tools :-)It is 'close to GNU' and I like It just 'Feels' more original .. and has that nostalgic smell. Negative: Im not much of an apt man .. ah well I tried. .. ? and now (not that anyone should care) I run RedHat 7.2 as my Dev Server, Debian is still installed on our Work machines and I will be checking out Debian-woody shortly but am not in any hurry to go chanign my dev environment as that takes too long to setup. Smoothwall (hacked to pieces for my satellite connection with iHug) toms for that quick fix on a box I destroy No home debian :-( my_motto I love it when stuff works! /my_motto /comment - ramon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Green Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2002 12:16 PM To: Slug (E-mail) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 11:21, Alex Samad wrote: With out starting a distro war. I am currently running redhat 7.2 and SuSe 7.3 Sparc. I have just started attending the slug meetings and I have been hearing a lot Debian. Can people comment on the differences between the two. Both the lay out of the file system and the its package manager. Are there things that I can get for Debian that I can't for Redhat or vis versa. Please note I usually try to download source packages and compile and install and use the rpm for convenience Can take this off line and mail directly to me. If we do keep this on list, can we PLEASE all try to be rational and not flame people for thinking differently... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
Hi, David you sum up one of my other opinions exactly... I've been using RH for years, and recently I'm starting to switch over to Debian. If you are basically looking for a Desk Top, I would be inclinedto stick to RH.. it's much easier and less stress. If you are looking at a server, use Debian. It's much safer and far more robust. Apt-get leavesrpm for dead, and the security is easily better. Totally agree that Redhat makes a nice desktop platform, as does Debian, however Debian truely makes a perfect server platform :) apt- get is cool :) Powered by telstra.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian or Redhat
--- Alex Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just started attending the slug meetings and I have been hearing a lot Debian. Can people comment on the differences between the two. I found this description helpful. The author compares dpkg to rpm. A Red Hat user's introduction to Debian http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/debian_vs_redhat.html - Mark A. Bell http://www.users.bigpond.com/m487396 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] small network w/ linux box as hub
heya guys, I'm trying to set up a home network between my two machines (onw windows, one linux) and my flatmate's windows box using the linux box (with two network cards in it) as a routing hub. I have currently got the linux box able to ping both windows machines (and them able to ping it) by adding the windows machines to /etc/hosts, and adding direct routes to them on the routing table. However, neither windows machine can ping the other. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1, and I have fiddled with the options in netconf (the networking subpart of linuxconf)'s routing section (the same app I used to add the direct routes to the routing table) to attempt to get my machine to be able to forward packets. I have also looked at netcfg but no joy there. The network is set up as follows: linux box (RedHat 7.2 (more or less stock install)): eth0 = 192.168.0.1 eth1 = 192.168.0.3 windows1: 192.168.0.2 (connected to 192.168.0.1) windows 2: 192.168.0.4 (connected to 192.168.0.3) and the routing table looks like windows1192.168.0.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth0 windows2192.168.0.3 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo both of the windows machines have the correct default gateways installed. I'm probably missing something really obvious here, but I've tried pretty much every combination of options in netconf's routing section, and I'm damned if I can think of anything else that I should do. If anyone can see anything obviously wrong here please put me out of my misery and let me know, or if you could point me in the right direction that'd be much appreciated too. Thanks heaps in advance -d -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] small network w/ linux box as hub
Becuase they are on the same subnet, (192.168.0.0, I'm guessing your netmask is 255.255.255.0), each windows computer doesn't think it should have to go via the linux router (default gw) to get to the other, hence it is failing. If you eth0=192.168.0.1, windows1=192.168.0.2 (or anything 255), windows1 default gw=192.168.0.1, and eth1=192.168.1.1 windows2=192.168.1.x (likewise 1x255), windows2 default gw=192.168.1.1, then adjust the routing table on the linux box to suit, then you should have more sucess. Make sure that the netmask for all of these is 255.255.255.0. The reason is that now the windows computers will think they are different subnets, and know to go via the default gw to reach them. If you want to learn more about that, there should be a tcp subnetting tutorial somewhere on the web you can read up on. Good luck, Rob. On Thu, 2 May 2002, dionysus wrote: heya guys, I'm trying to set up a home network between my two machines (onw windows, one linux) and my flatmate's windows box using the linux box (with two network cards in it) as a routing hub. I have currently got the linux box able to ping both windows machines (and them able to ping it) by adding the windows machines to /etc/hosts, and adding direct routes to them on the routing table. However, neither windows machine can ping the other. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1, and I have fiddled with the options in netconf (the networking subpart of linuxconf)'s routing section (the same app I used to add the direct routes to the routing table) to attempt to get my machine to be able to forward packets. I have also looked at netcfg but no joy there. The network is set up as follows: linux box (RedHat 7.2 (more or less stock install)): eth0 = 192.168.0.1 eth1 = 192.168.0.3 windows1: 192.168.0.2 (connected to 192.168.0.1) windows 2: 192.168.0.4 (connected to 192.168.0.3) and the routing table looks like windows1 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth0 windows2 192.168.0.3 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo both of the windows machines have the correct default gateways installed. I'm probably missing something really obvious here, but I've tried pretty much every combination of options in netconf's routing section, and I'm damned if I can think of anything else that I should do. If anyone can see anything obviously wrong here please put me out of my misery and let me know, or if you could point me in the right direction that'd be much appreciated too. Thanks heaps in advance -d -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] small network w/ linux box as hub
linux box (RedHat 7.2 (more or less stock install)): eth0 = 192.168.0.1 eth1 = 192.168.0.3 There is no such thing as a routing hub, as far as I know. What I do know is that two network cards on the same network is not a good start (unless you are trunking them, which is different). The kernel will become very confused with ARP resolution and will start sending out requests and replies on the wrong card. There was a good thread on this in I think debian-user about a month ago (cursory glance can't find it sorry). You'll probably want one card on 192.168.1.0 and one on 192.168.2.0 or something like that, then you just have a normal router in the middle. -i ** CAUTION: This message may contain confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any use or disclosure of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error please notify Mail Administrators immediately. You must obtain all necessary intellectual property clearances before doing anything other than displaying this message on your monitor. There is no intellectual property licence. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Woolworths Ltd. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] small network w/ linux box as hub
If they're on the same network, you need make your machine a bridge. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Bridge+Firewall.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] SLUG meeting summary...
Heh, I didn't see that with the Tandoori Chicken, next time could you let the rest of us know ;) I also really did like the food there, and would be happy to go back. Maybe we should start a round robin of restaurants and check out lots of places. We haven't done Thai yet, or Japanese mmm, early lunch today Pia __ Ah you didn't see me then get up and take the Tandoori Chicken to the counter and ask to see the boss? The chicken inside was raw. It even had red blood filled veins running through it. A few other round me at the table saw it too. Not good. The boss was so worried when he saw the raw chicken, his eyes even bulged out more than normal :-) I just let the guy know that we did enjoy the food, we were still happy, but that it is quite dangerous to serve raw chicken - as he well knew. Given that I think they will be moer careful next time. I certainly prefered that over the chinese. A nice change and I look forward to more tandoori and butter chicken next month :-) (U, yum yum - nice yummy and very very fattening butter chicken) Mike -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Can I suggest a talk/debate that really highlights differences in distros. Get us some fanatics from different distros to do lightning talks/comparisons, and then crack out the WWF boxing ring ;) Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. Could also get a StarOffice/OpenOffice comparison. Just a suggestion, Pia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Pia smith Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. We definitely want to have distro install and use demos / lightning talks. However, after the violence and general mayhem of the vi vs. emacs and python vs. perl debates, our insurance company isn't prepared to underwrite the health care and recovery costs associated with a distribution debate. ;-) - Jeff -- I don't know whose brain child it was, but it was quite an ugly child. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:34:56PM +1000, Pia smith wrote: Can I suggest a talk/debate that really highlights differences in distros. Get us some fanatics from different distros to do lightning talks/comparisons, and then crack out the WWF boxing ring ;) Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. I wouldn't mind seeing that. I've been a happy Debian user for quite some time now, but I've got next to no idea what sort of goodies latest Red Hat, Mandrake, or whatever have, because the last time I seriously looked at them was several years ago. It'd be nice to know what I'm missing out on, so I can insult it properly ;) -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
