Re: [SLUG] Yuk
You could have a look or talk to someone from flow communication. I was at a corporate golf day with one of the guys from flow, who says that telstra is forcing people to use either dial-up or ISDN as they are the most profitable connection points for Telstra. Apparently Flow is implementing ADSL between Campbelltown and Camden. If you are in the Narellan area you will be in luck shortly. If flow can implement ADSL in one area that doesn't have it then anything is possible. I download on a 56K modem. The mail takes a small amount of time to download, [EMAIL PROTECTED] all. One month, my family downloaded 3.2G (total traffic), which must be approaching the theoretical limit. Connected almost full time, sitting behind a IPCop f/w. Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL. All country options to 56K are too expensive, including ISDN, which currently has a 30c/hr connect fee, which I think is discrimination cf ADSL. Moaning Null, regards Doug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between two entities Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes and had NAC (not a clue). And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with a clue. Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics ? The attitude should be that I'm not discouraged just because someone tells me it is not possible. Ive seen it done indeed why cant you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
This is the last I will have to say on this topic. Why can't we let people test the waters before subscribing to this wonderful knowledge base. Then it is up to the person to subscribe. We will never get rid of 100% of spam. My question is as linux users and members of the list why don't you implement anti spam software? Stopping spam should be the responsibility of the recipient. As Linux user group members we should be capable of implementing technology available to us. :) Richard, I have been suggesting a member only posting list for at least a year, and was always shot down in flames by Jeff, saying that the members didn't want it. What I propose is that we have an anyone can read, only members can post list - if people who are reading the list can't be bothered joining to be able to post, then I question the necessity of having them post at all. Flames /dev/null Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them -= and pay for -= the bandwidth. -= -= They should be filtered before the listserver. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= Richard. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:33, Ben de Luca wrote: You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between two entities IIRC, you actually only when it's commercial activity and the user is paying for to be able to send or recive data that goes outside the wireless network they are on. Eg,. Paying for internet access over wifi - requires license. Paying for use of a wifi network, which only allows VoIP access to other members on there network - No license needed. -Karl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Ben de Luca wrote:
The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license
if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between
two entities
I think we agree on intent. I just decided it was easier to do my own
thing rather than bother with any of the wireless groups/lists where you
were continually harrassed for suggesting anything like this.
...snip.
And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10
metre
mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl)
with
a clue.
Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics
?
1) Permission from council. Have you ever tried to get a council
engineer to think outside the square. Most councils have regs stating
maximum height is 3m above roof top.
2) Cost. Two mates with clear line of sight on unit balconies is one
thing, but two houses suburbs apart in the burbs presents major problems
in many locations. And I would much rather spend that money on other
things in life.
3) The technicals are a piece of cake.
Ive seen it done indeed why cant you?
Hey, we have a site that give good access over most of Campbelltown City
LGA, but we just can not afford the $20K per month tower access fee.
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[SLUG]
I seem to have touched a raw nerve with my previous comments.:-) Let me respond to the comments made. These are nor personal critisisms, just observations. I certainly don't take exception to your critisism - it is your right to make whatever comments you like, no matter how accurate or ill-informed. I don't attend SLUG meetings myself, as I live roughly 1/2 way between Sydney and Lithgow, and family and work commitments (not to mention firefighting during summer) preclude me from attending meetings during the week. However I am happy to discuss on or off-list. And I also agree with your definition of who this list is for - I have certainly learned much from the list in the 5 odd years I have been a subscriber, and I hope I have been able to contribute in some small meaningful way myself. I have made a number of good contacts via this list, and several of those have become firm friends - even our recently-departed 'el presidente' stated that my contributions were generally of a helpful and informed nature, so I guess I'm not all bad, eh ? I make no appologies for the take your head out of your arse comment - my feeling was that the sender, at the time, was being an ill-informed prat. What I do appologise for is sending it to the whole list - his comment was public, but my response should have been private. I sought to 'rub his nose in it', and that was just as childish. The SLUG list, whilst being an good resource and repository of Linux knowledge, appears somewhat elitist at times - if you follow some of the threads - yes, patrticularly from Jeff and a few others, you get the impression that if you aren't running Debian, you aren't one of the in crowd. I run Mandrake, SuSE and Redhat - I have run Debian and I don't like it for anything save a development platform. Does that make my distros of choice inferiour and my comments null and void ? That's the impression that comes across. As for the SPAM policy, I had indepth and heated discussions with Jeff and some others about it ages ago. My personal feeling is that if you are going to read / benefit from the resources SLUG has to offer via the mailing list, but can't be bothered to join the list, then your contributions (if any) would most likely be of doubtful quality anyway. Essentially, if you're too lazy to join, why should you be allowed to post - read all you like, I have no problem with that. I stand by that comment, which is the way many many other mailing lists operate around the world. At the moment, a non-member could spam every member of the SLUG mailing list unrestricted, bypassing spamassassin if need be (there are ways to, and spammers are getting more resourceful every day), and there's nothing the committee will do about it. To me, that is irresponsible list management, akin to having no root password on your servers. Members only posting would REDUCE the amount of work for the administrators, not increase it. SLUG is no more the public face of Linux, as you put it, than the Anglican Church is the public face of religion. Many SLUG members contribute greatly to the Linux 'cause' in one way or another, but SLUG is after all a small, somewhat ecclectic group with the same interests, as is any other organization of loose association. Your assertion that you would go back to using windows where I can avoid/ don't need to contact/associate/speak/type messages to people like that is a childish, even infantile way of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Unless the rules have changed, you are free to leave the SLUG list any time you like, as am I, Jeff and anyone else. Finally, regarding el presidente' - I have never met Jeff in person, but have had a number of email conflicts with him. No doubt he did a number of good things while President, and for that he deserves out thanks (yes, even mine !!). However, he and I disagreed on a number of matters (specifically the SPAM policy), and I felt his way of dealing with these differences of opinion was somewhat authoritarian and not a little biased - after all, it was he who pointed out in an email that he was a FOSS developer and, by thinly veiled inference, somewhat better than me. He is (or was), after all, a REPRESENTATIVE of the SLUG Committee, not the whole committee himself. I would like to see this list run the way it used to be probably 4 years ago - helpful, insightful comments from people, helping newbies and people who have brain fade trying to do things, and generally supporting the Open Source movement, rather than the backbiting bitchy tower of babel it is in great danger of becomming. Comments on or off list gratefully received - flames_and_abuse /dev/crapper Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= This list is for people who; -= -= a. Are advanced enough to actually confuse the rest of us -= when they have problems b. Are advanced enough to actually -=
Re: [SLUG]
On Saturday 27 September 2003 06:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have touched a raw nerve with my previous comments.:-) The only thing I would hate to happen is that people who are not financial members of SLUG, may at some time be refused membership of this list. Being resident in Lismore (area), I rarely go 'smoke, so would be unlikely ever to join Slug. I do belong to our local group, GLUG however. Just my 2c worth. Regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG]
doug foskey wrote:
...snip
I do belong to our local group, GLUG however.
Hasn't your wife twigged yet that it is really a drinking club {:-)
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Re: [SLUG]
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 18:56, doug foskey wrote: The only thing I would hate to happen is that people who are not financial members of SLUG, may at some time be refused membership of this list. Being resident in Lismore (area), I rarely go 'smoke, so would be unlikely ever to join Slug. I do belong to our local group, GLUG however. Just my 2c worth. I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG]
On Saturday 27 September 2003 07:15 pm, you wrote:
doug foskey wrote:
...snip
I do belong to our local group, GLUG however.
Hasn't your wife twigged yet that it is really a drinking club {:-)
Yep: Brewed coffee! ( occasional OD on Pizza!) Visitors welcome!
Particularly if they can give us a talk on something where we have no local
expert ie most everything! May even have a bed available if someone wants to
volunteer?? (Meetings every 3 weeks, last meeting last Thursday, held in
Goonellabah (Lismore), about 40 mins from Byron Bay for the Geography
compromised.)
regards Doug
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[SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote: I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list. a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Option b) will revert to an a) unless we have at least 3 volunteers for a guaranteed 12 months. Separate motion: Any whingers gainsaying this duly taken vote are automatically warned and on a repeat offence given a automatic moderation for a period of one week for each further offence. (second offence is two weeks, third offence three, etc) OK I don't think this one will fly but hopefully just raising it some will get the hint. Just in case I am unable to make the meeting I nominate Tony or Jeff as my proxy. They seem echo my opinions on this matter. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... I can't speak for the ctte any more, but I emailed them today about it. Hopefully we can get an announce about the plans for the next meeting soon.. -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote: I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list. a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Option b) will revert to an a) unless we have at least 3 volunteers for a guaranteed 12 months. Separate motion: Any whingers gainsaying this duly taken vote are automatically warned and on a repeat offence given a automatic moderation for a period of one week for each further offence. (second offence is two weeks, third offence three, etc) OK I don't think this one will fly but hopefully just raising it some will get the hint. Just in case I am unable to make the meeting I nominate Tony or Jeff as my proxy. They seem echo my opinions on this matter. Seconded. I'm tired of the back and forth. (And for the record, I support option a). Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:43, Tony Green wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... I can't speak for the ctte any more, but I emailed them today about it. Hopefully we can get an announce about the plans for the next meeting soon.. This really is a formal motion... I want to vote discussion out of existence. Just in case there is any doubt about my intentions. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
quote who=Ken Foskey On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:52, Robert Collins wrote: Right. Formally: I intend to speak pro option a) at the meeting. I propose that we amend the motion, such that if there is no pro-option X speaker for each of the options, those options without a speaker are removed from the list. Will someone second this amendment? Seems only fair. Seconded. Accepted. We'll have the vote at the October meeting. Anyone interested in speaking at the meeting on behalf of one of the 4 options, please let us know. Note that option B requires 3 volunteers to moderate the list for at least 12 months, or the list will revert to option A. The motion as it stands is: Vote to modify the mailing list policy to one of: a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Unless there is a speaker willing to address the meeting on behalf of an option, it will be removed from the list before the vote. Regards, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. - Unknown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 20:34, Jan Schmidt wrote: Unless there is a speaker willing to address the meeting on behalf of an option, it will be removed from the list before the vote. I will speak for keeping the list as is. Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG]
-= I apologise for posting this to SLUG, but since I know Jon -= would 'accidentally' post it there when he responds anyway, -= it seemed worthwhile. Unfamiliar with the Laws of Libel, I see...:-) You've been hanging around with undesirables for too long... -= -= John, sounds like you've been taking personality lessons from -= Jeff...:-) Try taking your head out of your ass for a change. -= -= -= Jon, please grow up. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. -= -= Jeff's gone -= -= Well, it looks like I lost that bet. I had it as 4 days -= before you made some snide remark about the departing -= committee members. One of the advantages at no longer -= being VP is that I can say what I think now. Never stopped you before, Tony... -= -= Put up or shut up. If you think SLUG was being run poorly, -= why not get up off your backside and nominate yourself to -= the committee? Do something about it, or is it more fun to -= sit there and moan about how other people do things? As I have repeatedly stated, to you, Jeff and others, I'd run for the committee, however as it is physically impossible for me to get to SLUG meetings, due to where I live and transport arangements, and other family responsibilities that are none of your business, I can't see how me being ON the committee would be a good thing. -= -= Yes, the admins are volunteers, and a members-only list -= would LESSEN -= the workload, not increase it. If you can't see that then -= maybe you -= should go back to Windows... You're obviously too THINK -= to use Linux ! -= -= If and when the list policy changes, I'm sure it will come -= from a consensus from the financial members. Details for -= actually becoming a financial member can be found here btw -= : http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html You're too kind... -= I would welcome such a vote, to put an end to the bi-weekly -= flamewars that seem to be occuring. I have no real -= feelings one way or the other, but I do feel that if the -= policy changes it should be down to full members to make the call. That's a reasonable and sane suggestion - although I do think that, as the list has far more members than just SLUG 'financial' members, the whole list should be allowed to vote. -= The committee do run all of SLUG, not just the mailing -= lists. It's not an easy job and it takes a lot of time. -= It's made a lot harder by the lack of understanding and -= support from the people on the list. I understand how much time and energy it takes - my suggestion would LESSEN the amount of effort involved.. But aparently no-one can see that... -= If you don't like something on the list, you have a few options -= -= *) Change it yourself (Install spamassassin to catch the spams) If the spam didn't count as part of my download limit, I'd not care... If I use SA to catch it, it still has to be downloaded, defeating the purpose. Surely it is the responsibility of the list provider to take all reasonable steps to prevent abuse of the list - if that means making it a members only list, then that's fine. -= *) Try to get enough support so that the list policy is changed I've made this suggestion time and time again - I guess most people are just too apathetic to care. -= *) Leave the list Nope... Why should I ? Why should my opinions and ideas be censored by leaving the list ? -= *) Live with it Again, nope... -= I don't see many people complaining about it. Yes there -= are a few SPAM and the ctte are working hard to resolve -= them. Moving to a closed list is being investigated and a -= number of good suggestions for improvements have been -= posted to the ctte list. Well, if someone had sais this a week ago, then none of this crap would have occurred ! http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF- 8q=linux+advocacy+for+dummiesbtnG=Google+Searchmeta= Interesting link - I will read it later. Jon, you REALLY need to get out more. Oh, I do... When was the last time you fought a bushfire ? I get out more than I need to... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG]
Jon, (CC SLUG) OK will you turn up and present your case for change of list policy. If you cannot turn up in in person then please present your comments here and it will be read at the meeting. Until you actively do something please drop this thread! You have sought to clarify, SLUG has acted and SLUG will vote. I believe that you are not a financial member, if you become financial then you can vote to (you can nominate your vote by proxy). I wait your reasoned submission, no slander, no name calling, just the facts and how any change will be achieved and continue to meet the communities goals (real or perceived, we are human). Thanks for listening. I will not respond to *any* posts on this thread because they are your opinions presented for those voting. I do not want to misrepresent any statements made. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] HTTP_REFERER not found
Hi Sluggers: Setup: Url comes to site like this http://www.yourdomain.com/index.html?hop=some_data Q1. If I click on a link to go to another HTML page say name.html, I lose the hop data. How do I make the hop=some_data go with the name.html ? Q2. The order page calls a Perl script say orderpage.pl, I want the script to capture the hop=some_data. I got the script to print the whole %ENV, and I see no HTTP_REFERER. I thought HTTP_REFERER would show the url that called orderpage.pl with the hop=some_data . But if I cannot see HTTP_REFERER, then how do I get the script to capture the hop=some_data ? Thank You. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG]
Details on becoming a financial member are available here: http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html Cheers, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homer: No TV and No Beer make Homer something something Marge: Go Crazy? Homer: Don't mind if I do! rrrarrgghar! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] trouble booting.....Mounting local filesystems
Thanks heaps for your help on this. The below solution worked quite well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Airlie Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 12:07 PM To: Chris Barnes Cc: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] trouble booting.Mounting local filesystems pass init=/bin/sh to your kernel boot line (using grub or lilo) then do mount -n -o remount,rw / vi /etc/fstab mount -n -o remount,ro / Dave. On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Chris Barnes wrote: Hi people, I've done something stupid to my /etc/fstab. I made some changes because I wasn't having much luck getting supermount to work. Anyway after a reboot, I found my system now hangs at the stage where it says Mounting local filesystems, and I cant find a way to bypass this. I've left the machine for quite some time hoping it might pull through but no luck. I've tried using programs for Windows to read the ext2 partition so that I can copy /etc/fstab to windows, edit the file, and then copy it back to the ext2 partition, but I'm not having any luck copying it back. I've tried booting a Slackware Linux installation cd-rom, gone to a terminal and tried mounting /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda1 but I get errors telling me there's either too many filesystems mounted, theres a bad superblock, it's the wrong fs type, etc. So can anyone think of any other ways I could fix the problem? I'm using Mandrake 9.1 by the way. Thanks very much, Chris Barnes. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Can't ssh to another machine as a normal user; su root; then use vi
Hi all, Now that Jill has 'upgraded' to Debian and it matches my Alpha's Debian it seems our systems are a little more careful of security than her old SUSE and I am having probs with logging in as root and editing with vi over X. I (mikel) am on machine martel and I ssh as user caves to machine tazieff. I can use vim and xeyes etc as X forwarding is set to yes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config Often I need to edit a config file and su root but then I cant use vi as I get: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). If I ssh to tazieff as myself i.e. mikel then su root then I can start vi as the connection is forwarded fine. If I ssh to tazieff as root (as I have enabled root login) I can use vi but I prefer to just su root when required from being user caves. I could login as mikel to tazieff and then su root but I ma not doing anything as mikel so find that a bit silly. Reading the man pages for ssh_config and sshd_config there do not seem to be any obvious settings that I should change. I think it is something to do with authentication rather than X forwarding. Mike -- You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
not to mention that some city slickers are still on either pairgains or rihms and either of them won't get ya adsl either -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Net connection: welcome to debian/credativ/whatever
Here's a fairly vague analysis ... Surely someone can just hit this nail on the head ... anyone? On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:30:23PM -0500, Hal Ashburner wrote: I'm writing from my parent's box which is running RH9 Gnome on the desktop, which incidentally as self-proclaimed 'proud luddites' they both absolutely love using in comparison to the other computing alternatives they have tried previously. The box hooks up to the net with Telstra big pond cable, which goes ok. My problem is this, I once hooked up my laptop running debian to the same modem, which then seemed to re-name the connection to 'debian' the login screen on red hat said welcome to debain then I'm not sure I understand this bit. Which login screen do you mean? If you mean the main one into the window manager, then it looks like you have set the hostname to debian. logging into gnome said it was unable to resolve 'debian' and to add debian to /etc/hosts. (which I did) Sounds like this was just a guess by gnome or some program, and you probably don't really want that. How did you set up the connection on each machine? I then booted Gnoppix on their box to see how that went, and the connection was renamed credativ You must mean Knoppix ;) They might use credativ as the hostname ... I don't think so ... This might be a bit strange. Otherwise where are all these names coming from I wonder? and the same error message. Obviously I have no clue about what I'm doing here, ideally I'd like to be able to give the connection/computer a name on boot from RH9 something like Mum Dad's box or just Ashburner Any suggestions? :) ashburner would be a good choice. Look out for spaces and fancy characters in hostnames. I prefer shortish lowercase hostnames. The computer name is the hostname, and that should be fixed. I'm not sure what kind of name the connection needs. Do you know how you first set that? What did you use to set up the cable on each distro? Are you running a local network? I'm also not quite sure what is going on. However, I'd suggest that the hosts file(s) might have something to do with it. What I would do is post any network configuration you have to the list, especially the contents of /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/network/interfaces (debian specific?) or whatever the redhat equivalent to that is, and let the cable experts on the list fix them up for you. There is much more to explain but I think we'd better find a bit more about the question. You might do well to check out Chapter 8 of the Redhat 9 Reference: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/ 144.136.71.171 is your (assigned) static IP address, on the interface (likely eth1 or eth0) that is connected to the cable modem. FWIW you might try some things like this: On the redhat machine: /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 144.136.71.171 ashburner ashburner.domain.if.you.have.one You might not need that second line. Also, /etc/hostname: ashburner 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost debian hostname.domain.com Link 144.136.71.171 debian hostname.domain.com Link 144.136.71.171 credativ hostname.domain.com And was that an exact copy of /etc/hosts? I don't recognise the Link lines, I'm sure they shouldn't be there ... Patrick Lesslie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG]
Which would make SLUG, as a whole, more elitist than it currently is. I just feel it's irresponsible to have a mailing list set up where any Tom, Dick or Harry can post anonimously Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of doug foskey -= Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 6:56 PM -= To: SLUG List -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] -= -= -= On Saturday 27 September 2003 06:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -= I seem to have touched a raw nerve with my previous comments.:-) -= -= -= The only thing I would hate to happen is that people who -= are not financial -= members of SLUG, may at some time be refused membership of -= this list. -= Being resident in Lismore (area), I rarely go 'smoke, so -= would be unlikely -= ever to join Slug. I do belong to our local group, GLUG however. -= Just my 2c worth. -= -= Regards Doug -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Terry, what about broadband WiFi ? Would you be interested ?
A trial system is being installed at the moment in my area (I will be
one of the neighborhood POP's which, if successful, will be offered to
people in Campbelltown and Central Cost areas as well...
They are also going to expand into VoIP !!!
Hasta la Vista, Telstra !
Jon
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You suggestion is accepted, Ken. As I am unavailable to be present at SLUG meetings, I present my arguments here for consideration. A members only can post list would; 1. Reduce greatly the amount of spam being received. This would occur by virtue of the fact that most spam is generated from harvested addresses - spammers very rarely join lists to send their email, especially if said lists have anti havesting measures in place, such as entering a randomly generated security code that is displayed as an image only. 2. Reduce the amount of work in running the SLUG lists - although everyone will still be able to read posts, non-list-members will not be able to post. Once set up, this will be largely self-maintaining. Post from non-members can be either dumped, bounced with an explanatory note, or refered to a moderator for posting approval. If forwarded to a moderator, it is suggested that the moderator changes every 30 days, or such other time as the committee approves of. My preference for handling non-member posts would be bounce with explanation, including a link to allow joining of the appropriate list. 3. Greatly improve the signal to noise ration of the SLUG and SLUG-CHAT lists especially, by removing spam and flame wars whenever this is mentioned. I am happy to volunteer to assist with any changes in whatever capacity I can be used, having regard for the fact that I am unable to attend SLUG meetings. Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Foskey -= Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 10:44 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Cc: slug -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] -= -= -= Jon, (CC SLUG) -= -= OK will you turn up and present your case for change of -= list policy. -= If you cannot turn up in in person then please present your -= comments here and it will be read at the meeting. -= -= Until you actively do something please drop this thread! -= You have sought to clarify, SLUG has acted and SLUG will -= vote. I believe that you are not a financial member, if -= you become financial then you can vote to (you can nominate -= your vote by proxy). -= -= I wait your reasoned submission, no slander, no name -= calling, just the facts and how any change will be achieved -= and continue to meet the communities goals (real or -= perceived, we are human). -= -= Thanks for listening. I will not respond to *any* posts on -= this thread because they are your opinions presented for -= those voting. I do not want to misrepresent any statements made. -= -= -- -= Thanks -= KenF -= OpenOffice.org developer -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] SLUG Commitee Meeting, 10th September 2003: minutes
Present: Jamie Wilkinson (minutes), Jeff Waugh (chair), Tony Green, Jaime Hemmett, Peter Hardy, Jan Schmidt Apologies: Mary Gardiner Meeting opened 19:35 1. Ongoing tasks * Investigating discounts for SLUG members. Jamie announced that Anchor Systems are happy to provide discounted services (i.e. web hosting, colocation, domain registrations) to card carrying SLUG members, in return for some promotion from SLUG. The details of this need to be sorted out between Anchor and SLUG, as to what both parties are prepared to offer each other. Tony mentioned that Spice Boys do give a discount to SLUG members, but that it does depend on how well the owners recognise your face and that the specifics of a discount aren't fixed. This needs to be documented somewhere. Tony also said that bookstores were not really viable as SLUG doesn't have the membership size to make it worthwhile for the stores. Jaime mentioned that LinuxChix members can get unreviewed O'Reilly books for free, provided that a review is written. Perhaps SLUG members would be interested in reviewing books too? * Provide second HDD for maddog. Tony has the second hard disk, and shall pass it on to Jeff who will perform the upgrade soon. * Small regular SLUG events. The response from several people was that they weren't interested in organising small SIG-like SLUG events, both technical and social. No interest from the committee in pursuing this further. * Security Fest Jaime would like a date set before she books the room. 1.1 Website competition. * Name the new logo. Consensus is that the logo (mascot) needs a name. Jamie and Jan suggested Tugger the Slugger, given that the alt tags in the website already show this. Consensus amongst the committee was to poll for suggestions from the membership and pick the best one. * Website design. The website competition can now go ahead as we have the new logo. The specifications are that we would like it to be purely CSS. no HTML, with the exception that HTML attributes may be added to enhance the use of CSS. Jaime will announce the competition. There are also a lot of photos of SLUGgers and of SLUG events that could be collected and inserted into Gallery, now that it is available on the website. Jeff will ask around for photos. 1.2 FAQs Jan had some FAQs for the committee to submit. 2. August meeting review Consensus amongst the committee was that it went well, although the indepth talk was waylaid by a lot of questions that were assumed knowledge for the talk. A FAQ may be required to inform speakers of the type of audience they should be aiming at. 3. Upcoming meetings. * September General talk will be on X-Box Linux. Sluglets to be gathered during the month. In depth talk may be either Telstra reps on their Linux desktop rollout, project firefly, or Robert Squiddy Collins on the arch version control system. * October Silvia and Conrad from CSIRO on Annodex. Rob if the Telstra talk goes ahead in September. 4. Upcoming events * CSE Codefest Jeff to contact Compsoc. * Security fest. Needs a location, a date, and some speakers. * Computer fairs. Can't use them as an installfest (far too little space and time per customer) but can use them to pimp SLUG and Linux and possibly even flog merchandise. Demos of nifty stuff. Need some gear to flog. Can summon membership to show up at an event for support, also the organisers of the computer fair would love it if we caused a lot of people to rock up and buy stuff. * Paintball. 5 Other Business. * Jeff and Tony are resigning their positions as president and vice president of SLUG. They will both write their resignation to the committee, and then announce to the membership. Details of the effects of the resignations to be be nutted out on the committee list. Meeting closed 20:18. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Gnome menus
Hi, I'm trying to customise Gnome menus for all users on a system. If I've read the documentation correctly, it should just be a matter of opening applications-all-users:/// in Nautilus (as root), and dropping .desktop files wherever I want them. Then when a user logs in, the changes should be evident. Unfortunately they're not. I'm running Debian unstable with Gnome 2.2.2. The idea is to customise the applications menu to be as minimal and newbie-friendly as possible, since everything else can still be had through the Debian menu. The changes I'm attempting seem to be reflected in the vfolders files; they just have no practical effect. I'm a bit perplexed. I've succeeded in creating a new folder within the applications menu, but no matter how many .desktop files I drop in there, it remains empty (when looking at the menu itself - viewed through Nautilus everything is as it should be). I must be overlooking something very obvious. Matthew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Net connection: welcome to debian/credativ/whatever
Thank you very much for your analysis Patrick. Much appreciated. Just to clarify the points you have raised. The login screen is the gnome graphical login, where one types a user name, then password to use the computer. I believe the hostname of the computer is being set by the modem, as when I disconected this computer from the modem and connected another, the name of the other computer is imposed upon this one when I reconnect it. Only one computer is ever connected to the modem at one time. I'm not trying to network many computers, just have a nice, fast reliable net connection. The modem is something called a Motorola 'surfboard' and it claims on it's box that it is a 'cable modem' (I'm being careful here as I am well out of my depth with networking and hardware - this is both) The laptop was certainly called 'debian' being the default on installation of the debian distro. Gnoppix http://www.gnoppix.org (The Gnome based Knoppix) calls itself 'credativ' I did also boot Koppix at one point, which renamed the connection as well, to something else which now escapes me. I believe these names are being stored in the cable modem or at a computer on the Telstra side of things. Thus renaming this computer to whatever is being stored. My shell now reads [EMAIL PROTECTED], if I can impose my will on what comes after the @ I guess everything will fall into place. My idea was rather than renaming the conection in /etc/hosts everytime something else gets booted plugged into the modem, to get RH9 to rename the connection when it boots and connects it. So it's /etc/hosts will always be fine. How did I set up the connection? I plugged the modem into the USB, installed BPA login and from there it 'just worked' no I don't know much about it. /etc/hosts The 'Link' lines were added by myself after much googling, they work in as much as they make the error messages go away on login to Gnome, which makes M D more comfortable. They came from a script that was designed to update the IP address if it isn't static. Possibly a sub-optimal solution... there is no /etc/network/interfaces on this RH9 distro, nor is there an /etc/hostname. I'm going to try changing /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo commenting out NAME=loopback inserting NAME=Ashburner So we'll see if that goes well...(just a little scary this kind of stuff, when you have no clue, reminds me of the time I set this thing up with eth0 as a 'trusted device' then connected it to the cable modem, D'Oh!!!) Thanks again for your help, Patrick. Hal From: Patrick Lesslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Net connection: welcome to debian/credativ/whatever To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a fairly vague analysis ... Surely someone can just hit this nail on the head ... anyone? On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:30:23PM -0500, Hal Ashburner wrote: I'm writing from my parent's box which is running RH9 Gnome on the desktop, which incidentally as self-proclaimed 'proud luddites' they both absolutely love using in comparison to the other computing alternatives they have tried previously. The box hooks up to the net with Telstra big pond cable, which goes ok. My problem is this, I once hooked up my laptop running debian to the same modem, which then seemed to re-name the connection to 'debian' the login screen on red hat said welcome to debain then I'm not sure I understand this bit. Which login screen do you mean? If you mean the main one into the window manager, then it looks like you have set the hostname to debian. logging into gnome said it was unable to resolve 'debian' and to add debian to /etc/hosts. (which I did) Sounds like this was just a guess by gnome or some program, and you probably don't really want that. How did you set up the connection on each machine? I then booted Gnoppix on their box to see how that went, and the connection was renamed credativ You must mean Knoppix ;) They might use credativ as the hostname ... I don't think so ... This might be a bit strange. Otherwise where are all these names coming from I wonder? and the same error message. Obviously I have no clue about what I'm doing here, ideally I'd like to be able to give the connection/computer a name on boot from RH9 something like Mum Dad's box or just Ashburner Any suggestions? :) ashburner would be a good choice. Look out for spaces and fancy characters in hostnames. I prefer shortish lowercase hostnames. The computer name is the hostname, and that should be fixed. I'm not sure what kind of name the connection needs. Do you know how you first set that? What did you use to set up the cable on each distro? Are you running a local network? I'm also not quite sure what is going on. However, I'd suggest that the hosts file(s) might have something to do with it. What I would do is post any network configuration you have to the list, especially the contents of /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/network/interfaces (debian
