Re: [SLUG] P120 install - reboot oddity

2005-08-03 Thread Peter Hardy
...and then elliott-brennan said:
> This is a bit of a project. I've an old P120, 32Mb RAM.
> 
> I can set it to boot from CD-ROM (and I've pulled a working drive from 
> another machine for this, so I know it works).
> 
> When it boots, I get the usual info about RAM and primary and secondary 
> drives etc. All seems well. Then it starts to boot from the CD-ROM drive 
> and I get:
> 
> "FD SYSTEM TYPE-(00)"
> 
> and then:
> 
> "Press a key to reboot"

What distribution are you using? It's not trying to boot a 686 kernel,
is it?

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Re: [SLUG] Bash Question - Redirection of output determined by Variable name

2005-08-03 Thread tatz
Hi,

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:00:49 +1000

> I tried the following
> 
> 
> if [ "$1" = "quiet" ]; then
>  R=">> /home/steven/mfgbacker/serr 2>&1"
> else
>   R=""
> fi
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> DTEN=`date "+%Y.%m.%d %H:%M:%S"`
> echo "inside makedvd $DTEN" $R
> 
> I=`mkisofs -R -J -q -print-size /back1/tarback/*.tgz`
> J="tsize=${I}s"
> mkisofs -R -J -q -o /back1/tarback/dvd.iso /back1/tarback/*.tgz $R
> cdrecord -sao $J dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 speed=2 driveropts=burnfree 
> /back1/tarback/dvd.iso $R  
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> The $J substitution into the last command works fine but the $R bit, which 
> attempts to redirect the output to a file, does not.  Bash seems to 
> interpret the >> bit as part of the command rather than a redirection 
> instruction.

My suggestion is using exec commoand to change output.

set_output () {
if "$QUIET" ; then
exec 3>&1 4>&2 >> /home/steven/mfgbacker/serr 2>&1
fi
}

reset_output () {
if "$QUIET" ; then
exec 1>&3 2>&4 3>&- 4>&-
fi
}

if [ "$1" = "quiet" ]; then
 QUIET=/bin/true
else
 QUIET=/bin/false
fi

(snip)

set_output
  mkisofs -R -J -q -o /back1/tarback/dvd.iso /back1/tarback/*.tgz
reset_output
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Re: [SLUG] Bash Question - Redirection of output determined by Variable name

2005-08-03 Thread Ian Wienand
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 03:00:49PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The $J substitution into the last command works fine but the $R bit, which 
> attempts to redirect the output to a file, does not.  Bash seems to 
> interpret the >> bit as part of the command rather than a redirection 
> instruction.

Read about expansion in the bash manual.  What you want to do is eval
the command.

e.g.

#!/bin/bash

output=">> /tmp/output"

eval ls $output

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[SLUG] Bash Question - Redirection of output determined by Variable name

2005-08-03 Thread steven
I have a bash script sometimes called by another script and sometimes run 
from the command line.  I would like standard output (and error) to go to 
the screen if I run the script from the keyboard and to a nominated file 
if I call it from another script.

I tried the following


if [ "$1" = "quiet" ]; then
 R=">> /home/steven/mfgbacker/serr 2>&1"
else
  R=""
fi

[...snip...]

DTEN=`date "+%Y.%m.%d %H:%M:%S"`
echo "inside makedvd $DTEN" $R

I=`mkisofs -R -J -q -print-size /back1/tarback/*.tgz`
J="tsize=${I}s"
mkisofs -R -J -q -o /back1/tarback/dvd.iso /back1/tarback/*.tgz $R
cdrecord -sao $J dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 speed=2 driveropts=burnfree 
/back1/tarback/dvd.iso $R  

[...snip...]

The $J substitution into the last command works fine but the $R bit, which 
attempts to redirect the output to a file, does not.  Bash seems to 
interpret the >> bit as part of the command rather than a redirection 
instruction.

I am not sure if this is possible in bash or not.  There are lots of other 
commands in the script which also redirect so I would rather not do 
something like:

if ["$1" = "quiet"]; then
   mkisofs -R -J -q -o /back1/tarback/dvd.iso /back1/tarback/*.tgz >> 
/home/steven/mfgbacker/serr 2>>1
else
   mkisofs -R -J -q -o /back1/tarback/dvd.iso /back1/tarback/*.tgz
fi

because I would have to do it many times.

I think the problem is something to do with when bash is processing the 
substitution.  I have tried various combinations of different quotes 
without success.

Could someone please point me in the right direction

Thank you and regards
Steven


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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Grima
When I create an appointment on my PDA then sync with evolution the time
might be off by a few hours, it is usually also put on the wrong day.

Syncing from evolution to my PDA also has the same issue but if I open
and do a minor change to any field for that appointment then it fixes
the time.

But anyway back on topic. If you want a smart phone the XDA (aka imate)
line from O2 is awesome.


On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 13:40 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
> ...and then Jeff Grima said:
> > My XDA2 (PocketPC smartphone) plays nice with Ubuntu using synce and
> > multisync.
> > 
> > I sync to evolution.
> > 
> > Although the calendar has time syncing issues, I just disable that and
> > use it for the contacts and tasks.
> 
> Time syncing issues? Is it just a matter of timezones getting confused?
> I sync PocketPC on my iPaq h1940 with evolution. Don't really use the
> calender either though.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Peter Hardy
...and then Jeff Grima said:
> My XDA2 (PocketPC smartphone) plays nice with Ubuntu using synce and
> multisync.
> 
> I sync to evolution.
> 
> Although the calendar has time syncing issues, I just disable that and
> use it for the contacts and tasks.

Time syncing issues? Is it just a matter of timezones getting confused?
I sync PocketPC on my iPaq h1940 with evolution. Don't really use the
calender either though.

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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Grima
My XDA2 (PocketPC smartphone) plays nice with Ubuntu using synce and
multisync.

I sync to evolution.

Although the calendar has time syncing issues, I just disable that and
use it for the contacts and tasks.



On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 09:03 +1000, James Gray wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good 
> Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite mail/calendar 
> software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA functions too?
> 
> Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with 
> KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success with 
> Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).
> 
> Any success stories from people on this list?
> 
> James
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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Kevin Saenz
> Hi All,
> 
> Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good
> Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite mail/calendar
> software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA functions too?
> 
> Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with
> KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success with
> Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).
> 
> Any success stories from people on this list?
> 
I use to have wince on my iPAC and used synce to sync mail, contacts,
and other things using Evolution. I after awhile I found that I had
multiple instances my appointments, contacts etc.
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Re: [SLUG] Alpha SRM Question

2005-08-03 Thread Rajnish



Crossfire wrote:

Rajnish was once rumoured to have said:




Now, turn your machine on, and give the HALT switch (the little button
on the front that was once a reset switch) a good tapping whilst the
machine is booting up.  You should eventually get a SRM prompt.



That worked !! I've got the SRM console prompt ">>>".

I did notice something peculiar (there always is, isn't it) -- the
jumber (J6) was wired for HALT- but pressing the reset button caused
the system to reboot - everytime. So I jumpered it to RESET to get it to 
halt (had to push reset many times).(Initially, I thought I was

reading the diagram/jumpers wrongly - but I am pretty certain now I was
reading/jumpering it correctly).

For the record, Control-C doesn't get the SRM console prompt - but this
could be because I am connected via the serial port and
win95:terminal.exe swallows it.

Thanks all so far. I am sure I'll have more questions when I get to
the next step.

Regards,
Rajnish
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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Luke Skywalker
By the way, just as a side point, I use Gentoo and Bluetooth (to sync)
and its been really easy...
The hardest part for me was figuring out how MultiSync uses its plugins.

Luke

Luke Ring wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I sync up with my K750i...
> 
> I use MultiSync and it works great...
> 
> This page here has some info on Kontact and Multisync / other sync
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39478
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Luke
> 
> James Gray wrote:
> 
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good 
>>Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite mail/calendar 
>>software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA functions too?
>>
>>Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with 
>>KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success with 
>>Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).
>>
>>Any success stories from people on this list?
>>
>>James

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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Voytek


> Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good
>  Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite
> mail/calendar software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA
> functions too?
>
> Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with
>  KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success
> with Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).
>
> Any success stories from people on this list?

this is not an anwser to what you've asked, sorry,but:

I am a long time Palm handheld user, but I don't really 'sync it' as much
as I just back it up to the PC, I've decided I prefer to use the handheld
as the 'primary' device, as, in most cases, it's significantly
simpler/quicker to pull out the Palm out of my pocket rather than walk to
the PC.

(as it is, I needed to set up a windoze sync, as some of the apps I use
only run in windoze 'conduits')

nonetheless, there are a variety of Palm synch tools like 'pilot-link',
from my limited experience, they sync with several Linux desktop apps

(also, fwiw, I'm just trying out the latest Palm, with 4GB hard drive. not
sure if it really suits me, though.)


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Re: [SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread Luke Ring
Hey,

I sync up with my K750i...

I use MultiSync and it works great...

This page here has some info on Kontact and Multisync / other sync

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39478

Hope this is useful.

Luke

James Gray wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good 
> Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite mail/calendar 
> software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA functions too?
> 
> Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with 
> KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success with 
> Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).
> 
> Any success stories from people on this list?
> 
> James
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[SLUG] PDA + Linux - what's a recipie for success?

2005-08-03 Thread James Gray
Hi All,

Following Nick Tomlin's tale of woe, I was wondering if anyone has a good 
Linux + PDA combination that synchronises with your favourite mail/calendar 
software?  What about these new whiz-bang phones with PDA functions too?

Personally I'm looking (in a casual way) for a PDA that will sync up with 
KDE's "Kontact".  I've heard people report varying degrees of success with 
Evolution but I'm a KDE-kinda-guy (it's sad but true).

Any success stories from people on this list?

James
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Re: [SLUG] Podcasting

2005-08-03 Thread telford
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 01:26:07PM +1000, purserj wrote:

> >Seems pretty simple, which is good, but considering the size of the
> >book, I thought there was more in it. 
> 
> Nope that's pretty much it in a nutshell. Podcasting is a simple idea whos 
> time has come really. 

I'd say that podcasting is a simple idea to do (in a slightly different way)
what another simple idea was already doing.

After all, it works just as easily on a normal web page with links to MP3
files, and hey there are heaps of those around already and have been for
as long as there have been MP3 files. Right click on the MP3, select
"download to ..." and you have your podcast.

The main "special" thing is the RSS newsfeed which has some ability to
merge and filter streams (which you can't do with normal web pages).
This (by the way) is also an idea which duplicates an older idea in as
much as usenet news feeds already supported everything that RSS supports
but usenet got ground down by spam and cross-posting so people decided that
what they needed was a different technology to do the same thing.

Note that RSS is not actually any better protected from spam and other
such things, except that (so far) no one has mered enough RSS feeds to
actually cause a problem (I give it two years).

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Re: [SLUG] Alpha SRM Question

2005-08-03 Thread Alexander Samad
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 04:35:07PM +1000, Crossfire wrote:
> Rajnish was once rumoured to have said:
> > All,
> > 
> > I've come in possession of an Alphastation 500/400 which has
> > OpenVMS. I would like to install Debian on it
> > however after hours of googling, I've discovered that I need to
> > know much more about this beast (read: *fun*) than I know about my
> > AMD-PC.
> > 
> > So this beast (out of respect, I won't call it a 'box') doesn't
> > have a monitor nor a graphic card. Thus, I use the serial port hooked
> > to an old hp-laptop.
> > 
> > I can see the bootup process starting, followed immediatly by
> > OpenVMS and then the login: prompt. No telltale sign of an
> > SRM console (">>>").
> > 
> > My question(s) are:
> > how to I get to the SRM console ? Is there a special key I have to
> > press ? (I am connected via serial port using Terminal.exe on win95!!)
> 
> Pull the cover off whilst the AS500 is turned off.  There should be a
> little chart showing the jumpers on the board.  rejumper the reset
> switch (on the front) to be a HALT switch instead of a RESET switch by
> following the diagram[1].
> 
> Now, turn your machine on, and give the HALT switch (the little button
> on the front that was once a reset switch) a good tapping whilst the
> machine is booting up.  You should eventually get a SRM prompt.
> 
> Once that is all done, you can try to install Debian and join in with
> those of us screaming because the stupid netboot installer doesn't
> work on the AS500.  (But, for some perverse reason, does on miata).
> If you find yourself in this situation, use the woody netboot
> installer instead.

not sure if this is the case with teh as500, but on a es45 you can try
the magic key sequence to get to the rmu ^[^[rmu and then type halt in,
also I have found pressing ctrl-c during boot up breaks the srm from
doing the auto boot.

once in srm type
set_env auto_action halt

so that it doesn't auto restart the os on reboot and then bob's your
uncle!



> 
> C.
> 
> [1] Following said diagram is beyond scope of this post
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[SLUG] P120 install - reboot oddity

2005-08-03 Thread elliott-brennan

Hi all,

This is a bit of a project. I've an old P120, 32Mb RAM.

I can set it to boot from CD-ROM (and I've pulled a working drive from 
another machine for this, so I know it works).


When it boots, I get the usual info about RAM and primary and secondary 
drives etc. All seems well. Then it starts to boot from the CD-ROM drive 
and I get:


"FD SYSTEM TYPE-(00)"

and then:

"Press a key to reboot"

and this just cycles over and over. I know the drive works and I know 
the disks are okay (I've tried using other disks I have that I know are 
fine) but nothing seems to work.


Anyone with any ideas, directions, referrals?

This is by no means urgent, just a small project I'm curious about.

Thanks.
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[SLUG] iPAQ 6365 - Do not buy warning

2005-08-03 Thread Nicholas Tomlin
Sluggers,

I'm on my second unit, the first one failed on day #2 of use because the
backlight would not light up when you activated the unit, unless you
pulled the battery out and cold booted the unit from scratch, too bad if
you wanted to keep what was in the memory...

The second unit, after a day of use has fallen over, it won't make it
past the pin number entry screen, despite the right number being input.

The 6365 runs 'wince' as I have now christened it, because you surely
must wince every time you use it. It shall be returned to Hardly Normals
tomorrow, post haste, and I recommend that no one buy one as they are
quite frankly, shit.

Cheers,

Nick Tomlin.

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