[SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Wireless Mouse keyboard Combo's and Webcam's
Hi Alex, I use a Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 (thanks to a swap with Lindsay, our esteemed leader :)) Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:08b2 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 4000 I'm using (K)Ubuntu 6.06 and the repo drivers are great. It works perfectly. I've used it under Ekiga, Qnext, Marratech and something else (I forget, sorry) to connect to some friends and rels (overseas). If, when you get a camera, you need someone to help check if it works etc, let me know. Regards, Patrick Alex Samad wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:04:42 +1100 Hi I am on the market looking for a wireless keyboard mouse combo pack. I have noticed that logitech seem to a lot of the market, I have also seen that there are a lot of extra keys on the keypads and they come in flavours of bluetooth and wireless/usb. How weary should I be of the extra keys and the extra functionality, it would be nice to link the mail button to mutt etc how easy is it to do. Just asking to get people opinion and maybe some advise on the pitfalls to avoid. The other item I am on the market for is a good web cam for video conferencing, any one care to share their experiences ? Thanks Alex -- Registered Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On 02/01/2007, at 7:38 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? You can buy a Grandstream VoIP phone from the site below; http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/36_60 What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. techtopia also sells Digium cards. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) You don't need both, and you don't need either for testing. You could just grab a usb or audio headset and install a softphone (aka softwarephone) which can use the headset for conversation using your computer. But it means you will be able to test the asterisk setup without the need to buy any hardware just yet. Of course this test will not allow you to hook up your existing landline to the asterisk setup. -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Make The Move website launched
Dear sluggers, I am a clugger, but wanted to post to the slug list about a new website that I've launched, http://makethemove.net It is a website designed to promote Linux and open source software as viable alternatives to Windows and other computer systems. I don't think it's been discussed on slug list yet (mostly on clug), but please check out the site and let me know your thoughts! Also, please help spread the word. I'm hoping to get some fliers etc done, well maybe once I fix IE6 compatibility :( There is also a little web advertising button thing you can add to your websites if you want, here: http://makethemove.net/images/promo/mtmbutton.png Cheers! Chris -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:47, Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/01/2007, at 7:38 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? You can buy a Grandstream VoIP phone from the site below; http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/36_60 Grandstream phones are widely known for being cheap and nasty. I strongly suggest that you avoid them. The gxp2000 shown in the above-linked page is a classic example. -- Yes, we want you to knife the baby. - Microsoft official Christopher Phillips to Apple executives, 1997 pgpIgr4G79mL5.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Wireless Mouse keyboard Combo's and Webcam's
Hi Patrick Thanks for that I will try and track one down Alex On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:43:54PM +1100, elliott-brennan wrote: Hi Alex, I use a Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 (thanks to a swap with Lindsay, our esteemed leader :)) Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:08b2 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 4000 I'm using (K)Ubuntu 6.06 and the repo drivers are great. It works perfectly. I've used it under Ekiga, Qnext, Marratech and something else (I forget, sorry) to connect to some friends and rels (overseas). If, when you get a camera, you need someone to help check if it works etc, let me know. Regards, Patrick Alex Samad wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:04:42 +1100 Hi I am on the market looking for a wireless keyboard mouse combo pack. I have noticed that logitech seem to a lot of the market, I have also seen that there are a lot of extra keys on the keypads and they come in flavours of bluetooth and wireless/usb. How weary should I be of the extra keys and the extra functionality, it would be nice to link the mail button to mutt etc how easy is it to do. Just asking to get people opinion and maybe some advise on the pitfalls to avoid. The other item I am on the market for is a good web cam for video conferencing, any one care to share their experiences ? Thanks Alex -- Registered Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 09:02:27PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: I am looking at going down the same path, looking/playing with asterix. And there seems to be a familiar choice. 1) to either cable every thing back to a PC (make it into a PC/PABX), with digium cards or 2) Buy voip phones, that connect directly to ethernet or 3) Buy converters like the supuria spa3000 to convert analogue lines into voip (ethernet) I think option 1 is probably the way to go for a small business, nice and simple to replace a pabx, the old cable would probably work. But I see that it is limited by the number of slots in the machine and how dense the digium cards can be made - is the current 4 ports to a card the highest density available ? option 2 mean a whole new investment on phones and probably new wiring as the old telco wiring isn't cat5 compliant, some place it is, most house it wouldn't be option 3 seem like the simplest way forward, the path I have tried out at my parents (quick and dirty entry into voip), the spa3000 has voip and pstn access. And it looks like you can connect it to a asterix server (yet for me to do). But what it has allowed me to do, is get easy access to voip, simply unplugged the phone cable from the wall and place the spa3000 in between the phone and the wall. also connected it to the network, done. My next step is to actually get some voip phones, I noticed recent there are wireless handsets (802.11b/g) becoming available this interests me? Can somebody maybe enlighten me why people have chosen option 1 Also I believe somebody was trying to set up a VOIP mailing list Alex Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? The GS Budgetone is available in AU from Australian Technology Partnership http://www.austechpartnerships.com/atp/ I have one and I also have the GS GXP2000, also available from ATP. Although this is more expensive I believe it is better especially for corporate use. If you're going to get the GS BT then get the 102, not the 101, as the former has a builtin 10mbps Ethernet hub so you can put the phone in line with your PC. I see that there is also a BT200 model, there is also a video model in the GXP range if your pocket is deep :) What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I use the Digium TDM400P. It will allow 4 daughter modules which can be any mix of none/FXS/FXO. You will need an FXO (red) module for each incoming analogue line and an FXS (green) module for each fax/cordless/analogue phone you wish to use on your local system. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. With the GS GXP2000 it has the ability to be programmed as a router in addition to being a phone so you can have a whole intranet running off it. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) When you have sorted out your mail server you can contact me off list if you want more info. :) -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
* On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:41:57AM +1100, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:47, Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/01/2007, at 7:38 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? You can buy a Grandstream VoIP phone from the site below; http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/36_60 Grandstream phones are widely known for being cheap and nasty. I strongly suggest that you avoid them. The gxp2000 shown in the above-linked page is a classic example. That's why I emailed, to hear people's opinions :-) What ip phones do you recommend instead? -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) You've got a few options here. - A softphone. Runs on your PC, uses SIP to talk to Asterisk. ekiga and linphone are great for this. - An analogue telephony adaptor (ATA). A little box you plug in to your LAN and lets you connect a regular analogue handset to your voip system. Again, uses SIP to talk to Asterisk. I use a Sipura SP2000 with a cheap cordless phone at home, and it works great. - A Digium PCI card. The X100P you mentioned only seems to have an FXO port, but you can get models with both FXO and FXS ports - they'll let you connect to the POTS network as well as plug in one or two analogue handsets. - An IP telephone. Again, most use the SIP protocol, but there's one or two that are starting to come out that understand IAX. I'll agree with others and say the Grandstreams are a bit dinky. But I don't have any recommendations about *good* IP handsets. :-) If you're just experimenting, I'd say stick to a softphone until you get everything sorted out. After that, well, there's not too much difference in price between an ATA and an IP handset, and the feature set is much the same unless you throw buckets of money at an IP phone (my knowledge here is a good six months out of date, though, so things might be different). Finally, O'Reilly's Asterisk: The Future of Telephony is an awesome book on how to drive asterisk, and it's under a creative commons licence - narf a copy from http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk:+The+Future+of+Telephony -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Wireless Mouse keyboard Combo's and Webcam's
On 02/01/07, elliott-brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alex, I use a Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 (thanks to a swap with Lindsay, our esteemed leader :)) I have exactly the same camera (after getting high recommendations for it) and it connects perfectly to my Debian (Sarge and now Etch). But my home desktop is behind a NAT gateway (a D-Link 504G) and I couldn't make any program on Linux that uses webcam to connect to the outside world using the camera. I need it to talk to Windows on the other side. Is your desktop behind NAT? How did you get it to work and with what client on the other side? Right now my current plan is to try to install Windows under VMware then use Skype 2. Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Wireless Mouse keyboard Combo's and Webcam's
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:06:41AM +1100, Penedo wrote: On 02/01/07, elliott-brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alex, I use a Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 (thanks to a swap with Lindsay, our esteemed leader :)) A quick peruse of the logitech site, shows that they now have the quickcam 5000. I am guessing I am not going to run into any gotcha's with this or even any of the other models (they use the same sort of interface to the hardware ie not usb hardware interface, but the way the software talks to the cam?) I have exactly the same camera (after getting high recommendations for it) and it connects perfectly to my Debian (Sarge and now Etch). But my home desktop is behind a NAT gateway (a D-Link 504G) and I couldn't make any program on Linux that uses webcam to connect to the outside world using the camera. I need it to talk to Windows on the other side. Is your desktop behind NAT? How did you get it to work and with what client on the other side? Right now my current plan is to try to install Windows under VMware then use Skype 2. Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 10:06:07AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Alex Samad wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 09:02:27PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: I am looking at going down the same path, looking/playing with asterix. And there seems to be a familiar choice. 1) to either cable every thing back to a PC (make it into a PC/PABX), with digium cards or 2) Buy voip phones, that connect directly to ethernet or 3) Buy converters like the supuria spa3000 to convert analogue lines into voip (ethernet) I think option 1 is probably the way to go for a small business, nice and simple to replace a pabx, the old cable would probably work. But I see that it is limited by the number of slots in the machine and how dense the digium cards can be made - is the current 4 ports to a card the highest density available ? No, Digium have 24 port cards available. option 2 mean a whole new investment on phones and probably new wiring as the old telco wiring isn't cat5 compliant, some place it is, most house it wouldn't be New phones at $181 for the GC GXP2000 and the cabling is probably already in place as Cat 5, and you don't need more as IP phones can act as hubs and there's nothing wrong with wifi connects either. option 3 seem like the simplest way forward, the path I have tried out at my parents (quick and dirty entry into voip), the spa3000 has voip and pstn access. And it looks like you can connect it to a asterix server (yet for me to do). But what it has allowed me to do, is get easy access to voip, simply unplugged the phone cable from the wall and place the spa3000 in between the phone and the wall. also connected it to the network, done. My next step is to actually get some voip phones, I noticed recent there are wireless handsets (802.11b/g) becoming available this interests me? You do lose some functionality by retaining analogue handsets. can you expand on this please Can somebody maybe enlighten me why people have chosen option 1 They shouldn't be. Also I believe somebody was trying to set up a VOIP mailing list Alex Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? The GS Budgetone is available in AU from Australian Technology Partnership http://www.austechpartnerships.com/atp/ I have one and I also have the GS GXP2000, also available from ATP. Although this is more expensive I believe it is better especially for corporate use. If you're going to get the GS BT then get the 102, not the 101, as the former has a builtin 10mbps Ethernet hub so you can put the phone in line with your PC. I see that there is also a BT200 model, there is also a video model in the GXP range if your pocket is deep :) What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I use the Digium TDM400P. It will allow 4 daughter modules which can be any mix of none/FXS/FXO. You will need an FXO (red) module for each incoming analogue line and an FXS (green) module for each fax/cordless/analogue phone you wish to use on your local system. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. With the GS GXP2000 it has the ability to be programmed as a router in addition to being a phone so you can have a whole intranet running off it. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) When you have sorted out your mail server you can contact me off list if you want more info. :) -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Wireless Mouse keyboard Combo's and Webcam's
quote who=Alex Samad A quick peruse of the logitech site, shows that they now have the quickcam 5000. I am guessing I am not going to run into any gotcha's with this or even any of the other models (they use the same sort of interface to the hardware ie not usb hardware interface, but the way the software talks to the cam?) Never guess, always check. Consumer hardware changes by the second. Vendors will even change the innards without changing the model number if there are component shortages. While the 4000 is *great* on Linux (I have one too), I would strongly suggest testing a 5000 before you buy. - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ He's not an idiot. The doctor said so. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Dave Airlie wrote: can you send me the full Xorg.0.log, if the Xorg log says you have direct rendering you have a client side problem, which LIBGL_DEBUG=all may help.. I won't send you the Xorg.0.log output just yet because LIBGL_DEBUG=all glxinfo spits out the following: libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) libGL error: unable to find driver: fglrx_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) libGL error: unable to find driver: fglrx_dri.so It wasn't doing this before I installed the linux-restricted-modules for my kernel. Anyone know what package provides fglrx_dri.so? Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ C++ is like jamming a helicopter inside a Miata and expecting some sort of improvement. -- Drew Olbrich -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Anyone know what package provides fglrx_dri.so? Er, do you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed? -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
I won't send you the Xorg.0.log output just yet because LIBGL_DEBUG=all glxinfo spits out the following: libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) libGL error: unable to find driver: fglrx_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) libGL error: unable to find driver: fglrx_dri.so It wasn't doing this before I installed the linux-restricted-modules for my kernel. Anyone know what package provides fglrx_dri.so? It should be in the fglrx package it may be installing it into /usr/lib/dri or some other directory.. and you also may be picking up the wrong libGL... Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie Linux kernel - DRI, VAX / pam_smb / ILUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On 03/01/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know what package provides fglrx_dri.so? apt-file search fglrx_dri.so should get you the answer (I'm on Debian so can't give a direct answer). Be aware that apt-file doesn't know how to read the multiple files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d so if you have files there then you'll have to do something like: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /tmp/sources.list $ apt-file -s /tmp/sources.list search ... --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Dave Airlie wrote: It should be in the fglrx package it may be installing it into /usr/lib/dri or some other directory. Bingo! Creating directory /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/ and then ln -s /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/ fixed it. Thanks Dave (and Jdub). Very helpful. Dave I'm looking forward to your Nouveau talk at LCA. Cheers, Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ C++ has its place in the history of programming languages. Just as Caligula has his place in the history of the Roman Empire. -- Robert Firth -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 08:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) You've got a few options here. [snip] Out of bona fide curiosity, and without casting opinions, why would I as a home user be interested in any way in VOIP. I do use skype to overseas friends/family and for them a POTS handset would be a PITA, also Rome was not built in one day! 50% of them are winders-only. All opinions welcome, but I need to say cost is not an issue: 60% of my phone acct is the landline that I need for ADSL. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Penedo wrote: apt-file search fglrx_dri.so should get you the answer (I'm on Debian so can't give a direct answer). Holy shit! I've been using Debian for over 5 years and I didn't even know that the apt-file program existed. Thanks Pendo. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ C++ is an atrocity, the bletcherous scab of the computing world, responsible for more buffer overflows, more security breaches, more blue screens of death, more mysterious failures than any other computer language in the history of the planet Earth. -- Eric Lee Green -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:38:26PM +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) I've finally gotten around to putting up the slides :) http://inodes.org/blog/2007/01/03/slug-voip-slides/ -- John http://www.inodes.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 10:49 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Penedo wrote: apt-file search fglrx_dri.so should get you the answer (I'm on Debian so can't give a direct answer). Holy shit! I've been using Debian for over 5 years and I didn't even know that the apt-file program existed. Thanks Pendo. You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' -Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Make The Move website launched
Nice work! I like the snappy title; something I'll be able to remember when talking with potential movers :) Just in case you hadn't seen it, a live Fedora Core 6 CD has been announced on www.fedoraforum.org. I can't vouch for how good it is, but I thought you might want to know for the list of live CDs that you have on the site. The site design is nice and clean. I wish it lots of hits in the new year ;) Mark C. Chris Smart wrote: Dear sluggers, I am a clugger, but wanted to post to the slug list about a new website that I've launched, http://makethemove.net It is a website designed to promote Linux and open source software as viable alternatives to Windows and other computer systems. I don't think it's been discussed on slug list yet (mostly on clug), but please check out the site and let me know your thoughts! Also, please help spread the word. I'm hoping to get some fliers etc done, well maybe once I fix IE6 compatibility :( There is also a little web advertising button thing you can add to your websites if you want, here: http://makethemove.net/images/promo/mtmbutton.png Cheers! Chris -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
apt-file (was Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper))
On 1/3/07, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' 'apt-file' lets you search through packages you haven't installed yet (but are in the relevant apt repositories). I think dpkg -S is only for installed packages? Cheers.Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Robert Collins wrote: You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' That I did know of and have been using for many years. One problem with both dpkg -S and apt-file search is that they only work on packages that have actually been installed. When Pendo first mentioned apt-file I thought it was actually able to find files in packages which weren't installed. Unfortunately this is not the case. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable questions into unquestionable answers. -Art Gecko, Wombat Discord-1, 128649 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apt-file search fglrx_dri.so should get you the answer (I'm on Debian so can't give a direct answer). Holy shit! I've been using Debian for over 5 years and I didn't even know that the apt-file program existed. That is the same class of answer as RFM. Most of us can wry-smile but it's unkind (and offensive) if the answer was well intentioned, totally appropriate if it was dripping in sarcasm. So unless you know Pendo ... James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On 1/3/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem with both dpkg -S and apt-file search is that they only work on packages that have actually been installed. When Pendo first mentioned apt-file I thought it was actually able to find files in packages which weren't installed. Unfortunately this is not the case. Did you run 'apt-file update' ? Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: apt-file (was Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper))
On 03/01/07, Steve Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' 'apt-file' lets you search through packages you haven't installed yet (but are in the relevant apt repositories). I think dpkg -S is only for installed packages? Correct. dpkg -S only searches the local database of installed packages. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: apt-file
Steve Lindsay wrote: On 1/3/07, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' 'apt-file' lets you search through packages you haven't installed yet (but are in the relevant apt repositories). I think dpkg -S is only for installed packages? Hmm, I can't get apt-file to work at all: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-file search libsndfile.so [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -S libsndfile.so libsndfile1: /usr/lib/libsndfile.so.1 libsndfile1-dev: /usr/lib/libsndfile.so libsndfile1: /usr/lib/libsndfile.so.1.0.12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-file search libsndfile.so.1.0.12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -S libsndfile.so.1.0.12 libsndfile1: /usr/lib/libsndfile.so.1.0.12 Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ I want to make sure (a user) can't get through ... an online experience without hitting a Microsoft ad. - Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer on the Microsoft search engine. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: apt-file
On 1/3/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I can't get apt-file to work at all: Sorry, I replied in the other thread. You need to run apt-file update. It needs to build up an index of the files in the packages before it works properly. Cheers.Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: apt-file
Steve Lindsay wrote: Sorry, I replied in the other thread. You need to run apt-file update. It needs to build up an index of the files in the packages before it works properly. Yeah, just saw that. After and apt-file update I can do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -S FTGlyphContainer.h dpkg: *FTGlyphContainer.h* not found. [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-file search FTGlyphContainer.h ftgl-dev: usr/include/FTGL/FTGlyphContainer.h That is pretty *damn* cool. Thanks Steve. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ The National Multiple Sclerosis Society of America recently started an advertising campaign with the slogan MS: It's not a software company. Seasoned IT professionals will have no trouble telling the two MS's apart. One is a debilitating and surprisingly widespread affliction that renders the sufferer barely able to perform the simplest task. The other is a disease. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On 03/01/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Pendo first mentioned apt-file I thought it was actually able to find files in packages which weren't installed. Unfortunately this is not the case. From the apt-files package description: Unlike apt-cache, you can search in which package a file is included or list the contents of a package without installing or fetching it. So no, it has a completely different function from that of dpkg -S and is actually much more useful, from my experience. --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apt-file search fglrx_dri.so should get you the answer (I'm on Debian so can't give a direct answer). Holy shit! I've been using Debian for over 5 years and I didn't even know that the apt-file program existed. That is the same class of answer as RFM. Most of us can wry-smile but it's unkind (and offensive) if the answer was well intentioned, totally appropriate if it was dripping in sarcasm. So unless you know Pendo ... Sorry, I *really* think that you got the wrong end of the stick here. I have been using Debian for over 5 years but had never come across the apt-file command before and was genuinely greatful for Pendos response. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ Fundamentalist : Someone who is colour blind and yet wants everyone else to see the world with the same lack of colour. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
On 03/01/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I *really* think that you got the wrong end of the stick here. I have been using Debian for over 5 years but had never come across the apt-file command before and was genuinely greatful for Pendos response. No worries. Maybe I'm naive but that's the way I saw your reply too. I too felt caught out of guard when someone taught me about seemingly trivial things like fgrep -r which I wasn't aware about until a couple of years ago, or was pointed to the manual page of iptables to discover things like the owner and geoip modules which do just the sort of stuff I was planning to do for ages. Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On 03/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of bona fide curiosity, and without casting opinions, why would I as a home user be interested in any way in VOIP. 1. It's just plain MUCH cheaper even for local calls in Australia (I use iiNet, which isn't the cheapest but that's what I started with, and all my calls are cheaper than the POTS line - local, 13 numbers, all australian metros and international. 2. I use Skype to call overseas too but Skype requires me to seat in front of my computer to talk to people and we virtually never hear it when people call us (we have headsets both to keep the house quiter and to avoid feedback loops). (Skype is supposed to support having the ring on one card (to which we can connect loudspeakers) and another on the headphones but I have troubles to make things work with my on-board sound card). 3. Skype phones that I've seen so far require Windows, which I am glad to say I don't have at home (my wife's ancient win98 laptop which is beginning to behave recently doesn't count). I do use skype to overseas friends/family and for them a POTS handset would be a PITA, also Rome was not built in one day! 50% of them are winders-only. What do you mean? They prefer using skype with speaker/mic rather than plain old phone handset? Then it's probably a matter of taste and lifestyle - personally I prefer to hold a handset and be mobile around the house than stuck in the office, and my family abroad isn't the kind you can always catch in front of their computer 24/7. All opinions welcome, but I need to say cost is not an issue: 60% of my phone acct is the landline that I need for ADSL. VoIP calls cut down our calls bill by about 90% (just the variable part we pay for the call themselves, most of my phone line bill goes for the fixed parts like line rental and ADSL service). There are numerous forums about Australian VoIP offerings, maybe you should dig them (let me know if you want me to send you some pointers I collected). Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper)
Penedo wrote: On 03/01/07, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I *really* think that you got the wrong end of the stick here. I have been using Debian for over 5 years but had never come across the apt-file command before and was genuinely greatful for Pendos response. No worries. Maybe I'm naive but that's the way I saw your reply too. Geez, this mailing list is amazing. You play one little joke on someone : http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2005/09/msg00346.html and no one ever trusts you again :-). Cheers, Erik PS : Please note the smilie above :-) -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ Neither noise nor information is predictable. -- Ray Kurzweil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
Penedo wrote: 2. I use Skype to call overseas too but Skype requires me to seat in front of my computer to talk to people and we virtually never hear it when people call us (we have headsets both to keep the house quiter and to avoid feedback loops). (Skype is supposed to support having the ring on one card (to which we can connect loudspeakers) and another on the headphones but I have troubles to make things work with my on-board sound card). For what it's worth, there's a proprietary Asterisk channel driver for Skype available from http://www.chanskype.com/ , and the voip-info.org guys have a bounty for an open equivalent. In theory, that'll let you call skype users from anything connected to your asterisk server. They've got a comprehensive list of assorted Skype gateways at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Skype+Gateways In addition, I had problems getting skype to use a separate soundcard for the ringtone as well, but since upgrading to the 1.3 beta for Linux (which uses ALSA instead of OSS), this seems to be resolved. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
* On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 08:43:43AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got a few options here. [snip] Out of bona fide curiosity, and without casting opinions, why would I as a home user be interested in any way in VOIP. * for calling relatives who are interstate/overseas * like many things IT, I find experimenting at home is a good way to learn, I can then sell my skills to customers :) -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 10:07, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:47, Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/01/2007, at 7:38 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? You can buy a Grandstream VoIP phone from the site below; http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/36_60 Grandstream phones are widely known for being cheap and nasty. I strongly suggest that you avoid them. The gxp2000 shown in the above-linked page is a classic example. I've got a number of them out there with no problems. Be more specific. The company I work for has deployed many Grandstream GXP2000 handsets, both internally and for customers. We have experienced a range of problems with them, ranging from poor call quality to crashes and spontaneous rebooting. I myself use one every day and am far from happy. These days, we ship phones from other providers, such as Polycom. -- If you set a man by a fire, you keep him warm all day, but set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett pgpodu3K3ylzO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Hi, I'm using xubuntu via SSH and the computer keeps turning itself off. Sometimes, /var/log/syslog contains a message about terminating on signal 15, but usually nothing. I don't have any genuine clues as to what is causing the problem. Could this be related to power management? How do I check whether power management is on or off, and how do I turn it off? Is there a config file I can edit? Google doesn't seem to want to help me on this one. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
On 03/01/07, Adelle Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using xubuntu via SSH and the computer keeps turning itself off. Sometimes, /var/log/syslog contains a message about terminating on signal 15, but usually nothing. My first suspicion in such cases is the hardware - is the computer cooled well enough? Does the CPU fan work and seats well on the CPU? If you have sensors then maybe install lm-sensors (possibly with some GUI front-end) and see whether everything is ok. Does the computer work well under different configurations (under windows, for instance. Yes, I know that running windows and work well are contradictory but I'm referring to the hardware). Did the computer work well before and just started to act or is it a new computer/installation? Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. Cheers. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Please avoid sending me Word or Power Point attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:41:51PM +1100, Simon Males wrote: Been there. rm link No trailing slash. No, that removes the link, not the directory pointed to by the link. Thanks anyway. I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. -- Simon Males [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Please avoid sending me Word or Power Point attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Adelle Hartley wrote: Hi, I'm using xubuntu via SSH and the computer keeps turning itself off. Sometimes, /var/log/syslog contains a message about terminating on signal 15, but usually nothing. My first question would be: Does it just switch off or do you see some sort of shutdown sequence? My money's on cooling if it just switches off. I don't have any genuine clues as to what is causing the problem. Could this be related to power management? How do I check whether power management is on or off, and how do I turn it off? Is there a config file I can edit? Google doesn't seem to want to help me on this one. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
Been there. rm link No trailing slash. I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. Cheers. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Please avoid sending me Word or Power Point attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Simon Males [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
An ATA lets u use existing telephones, if you have some that you currently like. For a single line in house something like the sipura 3000 is simple and small and easy Ken Peter Hardy wrote: Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? What about a recommended PCI card so Asterisk can communicate with the POTS? The book mentions Digium X100P. I know I don't need both; I want to experiment. I attended the SLUG talk on VoIP - back then a lot of it didn't make sense so I didn't take notes :-) You've got a few options here. - A softphone. Runs on your PC, uses SIP to talk to Asterisk. ekiga and linphone are great for this. - An analogue telephony adaptor (ATA). A little box you plug in to your LAN and lets you connect a regular analogue handset to your voip system. Again, uses SIP to talk to Asterisk. I use a Sipura SP2000 with a cheap cordless phone at home, and it works great. - A Digium PCI card. The X100P you mentioned only seems to have an FXO port, but you can get models with both FXO and FXS ports - they'll let you connect to the POTS network as well as plug in one or two analogue handsets. - An IP telephone. Again, most use the SIP protocol, but there's one or two that are starting to come out that understand IAX. I'll agree with others and say the Grandstreams are a bit dinky. But I don't have any recommendations about *good* IP handsets. :-) If you're just experimenting, I'd say stick to a softphone until you get everything sorted out. After that, well, there's not too much difference in price between an ATA and an IP handset, and the feature set is much the same unless you throw buckets of money at an IP phone (my knowledge here is a good six months out of date, though, so things might be different). Finally, O'Reilly's Asterisk: The Future of Telephony is an awesome book on how to drive asterisk, and it's under a creative commons licence - narf a copy from http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk:+The+Future+of+Telephony -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:41:51PM +1100, Simon Males wrote:
Been there.
rm link
No trailing slash.
No, that removes the link, not the directory pointed to by the link.
Thanks anyway.
Got a bit to excited.
rm -ri `ls -l link | awk -F' ' {'print $11'}`
To dynamify it, I present to you rmlinkdir.sh.
Before you use it, wait for the sluggers to respond and say they an
utility already exists or that it's insecure (like not exiting when no
argument was given).
I must be missing something simple.
$ mkdir dir
$ ln -s dir link
$ rm link/
rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory
$ rm -f link/
rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory
$ rm -rf link/
rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory
$ rmdir link/
rmdir: link/: Not a directory
$ rm -rf link/.
rm: cannot remove `.' or `..'
Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir'
from the symbolic link name 'link'.
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
Howard Lowndes wrote: Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:47, Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/01/2007, at 7:38 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: What are people's recommendations for an ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk? The book I'm reading (OReilly's Switching to VoIP) talks about a Grandstream Budgetone - what's an Australian equivalent? You can buy a Grandstream VoIP phone from the site below; http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/36_60 Grandstream phones are widely known for being cheap and nasty. I strongly suggest that you avoid them. The gxp2000 shown in the above-linked page is a classic example. I've got a number of them out there with no problems. Be more specific. I am using a few Grandstream ATA's with normal phones. I don't suppose aussie phone jacks will work with them without an adapter. Anyway, no problems with the ATA's so far. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Penedo wrote: Did the computer work well before and just started to act or is it a new computer/installation? It was working well for more than a month before the problem developed. I tried reinstalling xubuntu from scratch, and it worked for about a week before developing the problem again. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. Cheers. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0)2 6773 2412 http://turing.une.edu.au/~normFax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
An ATA lets u use existing telephones, if you have some that you currently like. For a single line in house something like the sipura 3000 is simple and small and easy Ken I use an ATA: Linksys PAP2 (which has now been superseded with a model that has the same features as a Sipura 3000). When I did have a go at Asterisk I found it quite tiresome tinkering with a web interface. As error messages are quite discreet and don't really help you with solving the problem (in my case learning Asterisk). Recommended in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (now know as something else) that it's quite handy to use a soft phone when playing with Asterisk, purely for testing. Once it's working configure the IP Phone/ATA. Now I just use MyNetFone: http://www.myfone.com.au/ -- Simon Males [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Carlo Sogono wrote: My first question would be: Does it just switch off or do you see some sort of shutdown sequence? My money's on cooling if it just switches off. That seems to be the widespread consensus, and it does just switch off. The amount of time between being switched on and switching itself off ranges from minutes to hours. It's a P3, and isn't supposed to need a fan. The main fan is working though. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On 03/01/07, Simon Males [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:41:51PM +1100, Simon Males wrote:
Been there.
rm link
No trailing slash.
No, that removes the link, not the directory pointed to by the link.
Thanks anyway.
Got a bit to excited.
rm -ri `ls -l link | awk -F' ' {'print $11'}`
To dynamify it, I present to you rmlinkdir.sh.
Before you use it, wait for the sluggers to respond and say they an
utility already exists or that it's insecure (like not exiting when no
argument was given).
Sorry Simon, I was going to pass but then I saw readlink(1), so something
like:
readlink -fe link | xargs -0r rm -rf
Should do the trick.
Interpretation:
readlink:
-f - recursively follow symlinks
-e - symlink targets must exist
xargs:
-0 - treat white space in symlink content as regular characters
-r - don't run anything if no input exists
Any comments?
Cheers,
--P
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Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 14:36 +1100, Norman Gaywood wrote: I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. ls -ld link -Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On 1/3/07, Norman Gaywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be missing something simple. $ mkdir dir $ ln -s dir link $ rm link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -f link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rm -rf link/ rm: cannot remove `link/': Not a directory $ rmdir link/ rmdir: link/: Not a directory $ rm -rf link/. rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' Of course I could go 'rm -rf dir' but how do I find the name 'dir' from the symbolic link name 'link'. ls -l link eg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mkdir 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ln -s 1 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l 2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 polleyj itweb 1 Jan 3 14:19 2 - 1 Simon's suggestion extrapolates from this to automagically grabbing the name and removing the specified dir. -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recommended ip phone for experimenting with Asterisk?
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 12:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of bona fide curiosity, and without casting opinions, why would I as a home user be interested in any way in VOIP. 1. It's just plain MUCH cheaper even for local calls in Australia (I use iiNet, which isn't the cheapest but that's what I started with, and all my calls are cheaper than the POTS line - local, 13 numbers, all australian metros and international. 2. I use Skype to call overseas too but Skype requires me to seat in front of my computer to talk to people and we virtually never hear it when people call us (we have headsets both to keep the house quiter and to avoid feedback loops). (Skype is supposed to support having the ring on one card (to which we can connect loudspeakers) and another on the headphones but I have troubles to make things work with my on-board sound card). 3. Skype phones that I've seen so far require Windows, which I am glad to say I don't have at home (my wife's ancient win98 laptop which is beginning to behave recently doesn't count). I do use skype to overseas friends/family and for them a POTS handset would be a PITA, also Rome was not built in one day! 50% of them are winders-only. What do you mean? They prefer using skype with speaker/mic rather than plain old phone handset? Then it's probably a matter of taste and lifestyle - personally I prefer to hold a handset and be mobile around the house than stuck in the office, and my family abroad isn't the kind you can always catch in front of their computer 24/7. All opinions welcome, but I need to say cost is not an issue: 60% of my phone acct is the landline that I need for ADSL. VoIP calls cut down our calls bill by about 90% (just the variable part we pay for the call themselves, most of my phone line bill goes for the fixed parts like line rental and ADSL service). There are numerous forums about Australian VoIP offerings, maybe you should dig them (let me know if you want me to send you some pointers I collected). I would appreciate that. To me if the list is not appropriate. Thanks James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
On 03/01/07, Adelle Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That seems to be the widespread consensus, and it does just switch off. The amount of time between being switched on and switching itself off ranges from minutes to hours. It's a P3, and isn't supposed to need a fan. The main fan is working though. Did you try to touch (carefully) all the sides of the computer? Does it have hardware sensors? Can you find corelation between room temperature/time-off and uptime? What about the heat sink? --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: apt-file (was Re: [SLUG] OpenGL on ATI Radeon (Ubuntu Dapper))
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 11:26 +1100, Steve Lindsay wrote: On 1/3/07, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also use 'dpkg -S fglrx_dri.so' 'apt-file' lets you search through packages you haven't installed yet (but are in the relevant apt repositories). I think dpkg -S is only for installed packages? Yah, apt-file pulls the index from the apt repository, which is usually fairly accurate [it cannot be fully accurate as its unversioned and files do move around] - I was thinking more for the immediate question being answered though ;). Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:20:09PM +1100, Penedo wrote: Sorry Simon, I was going to pass but then I saw readlink(1), so something like: readlink -fe link | xargs -0r rm -rf Should do the trick. Well spotted! I had never noticed readlink before. It will indeed do the trick. Also removes the problem of spaces and other specials in the names. Thanks. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Please avoid sending me Word or Power Point attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On 03/01/07, Penedo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readlink -fe link | xargs -0r rm -rf Correction to the above - apparently xargs waits for \0 in order to terminate its input, so maybe the following is more appropriate: $ (readlink -fen link ; echo -e \\0) | xargs -0r rm -rf --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On 1/3/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/01/07, Penedo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readlink -fe link | xargs -0r rm -rf Correction to the above - apparently xargs waits for \0 in order to terminate its input, Only because you're using the -0 flag. --null, -0 Input filenames are terminated by a null character instead of by whitespace, and the quotes and backslash are not special (every character is taken literally). Disables the end of file string, which is treated like any other argument. Useful when arguments might contain white space, quote marks, or backslashes. The GNU find -print0 option produces input suitable for this mode. try readlink -fe link | xargs -r rm -rf (I can't test this because the only machine I have access to right now doesn't support the -e flag to readlink) (This is also going to destroy the ability to handle whitespace in filenames though, so you probably don't want to do this.) so maybe the following is more appropriate: $ (readlink -fen link ; echo -e \\0) | xargs -0r rm -rf --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On 03/01/07, Zhasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only because you're using the -0 flag.
...
(This is also going to destroy the ability to handle whitespace in
filenames though, so you probably don't want to do this.)
Correct on both accounts, but this is why I insist on using -0 whenever
possible, especially when processing input to sensitive commands like rm,
and bother adding the weird echo -e.
Another nul generator could be
perl -e 'print \0'
instead of echo -e \\0
or
readlink -fe link | awk '{ print $0 \0 }' | xargs -0r rm -rf
and possibly other ways to achieve the same goal.
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Re: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 14:32, Penedo wrote: On 03/01/07, Adelle Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using xubuntu via SSH and the computer keeps turning itself off. Sometimes, /var/log/syslog contains a message about terminating on signal 15, but usually nothing. My first suspicion in such cases is the hardware - is the computer cooled well enough? Does the CPU fan work and seats well on the CPU? If you have sensors then maybe install lm-sensors (possibly with some GUI front-end) and see whether everything is ok. try: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/trip_points to see what temperature the computer will turn off at and cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature to see the temperature the computer is currently at... Regards Joseph -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Hi Adelle, Could be just a dud power supply... Also sometimes when bits heat up they expand and a connection is broken, power stops, seen it before. Also (might be a bit obvious but hey...) check that the power cable in the power supply is in properly. Might be only just connecting. Try another cable and another socket. Once had a Kambrook power board that would turn everything off if too much juice was drawn through it. Then it would reset. Also check the power supply connection from the power supply to the motherboard inside the case might need reseating... Ben Adelle Hartley wrote: Carlo Sogono wrote: My first question would be: Does it just switch off or do you see some sort of shutdown sequence? My money's on cooling if it just switches off. That seems to be the widespread consensus, and it does just switch off. The amount of time between being switched on and switching itself off ranges from minutes to hours. It's a P3, and isn't supposed to need a fan. The main fan is working though. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] How do I remove a directory pointed to by a symbolic link
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:10:45PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 03/01/07, Zhasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only because you're using the -0 flag.
(This is also going to destroy the ability to handle whitespace in
filenames though, so you probably don't want to do this.)
Correct on both accounts, but this is why I insist on using -0 whenever
possible, especially when processing input to sensitive commands like rm,
and bother adding the weird echo -e.
But why are we we trying to pipe output to xargs. We are only dealing
with one name.
Whats wrong with just:
rm -rf $(readlink link)
Should that not deal with special characters? Seems to work for spaces
and in my tests.
Another nul generator could be
perl -e 'print \0'
instead of echo -e \\0
or
readlink -fe link | awk '{ print $0 \0 }' | xargs -0r rm -rf
and possibly other ways to achieve the same goal.
--Amos
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RE: [SLUG] Computer keeps turning itself off.
Howard Lowndes wrote: It's a P3, and isn't supposed to need a fan. The main fan is working though. P3s do have a fan on the CPU. You're right. The main fan is the cpu fan. The power supply is external, so there is no fan for it. Anyway, it's not hot. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
