Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old (which is old now I guess...) and have suspend to ram and disk working under feisty. Audio could be better - fine with alsa alone, but needs tweaking for jack and is still not as clean as it should be. Denis As far as I can tell, most of the hardware issues have been fixed in Gutsy. (wifi driver needs to be installed separately.) ~James On 9/13/07, James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone recommend a laptop that is small (11.1 - 13.3 inches), reasonably fast, and can do suspend (both to RAM and disk) easily? Oh, and that I can buy now; old models aren't so interesting to me. Ubuntu is my OS of preference, but if it makes a difference, I'd consider switching to something else. Ta, James. -- James Gregory -- http://codelore.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
quote who=Denis Crowdy James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old (which is old now I guess...) and have suspend to ram and disk working under feisty. But they're so heavy! Useful for smacking their owners with, but that's about all. ;-) - Jeff -- GNOME Boston Summit 2007http://live.gnome.org/Boston2007 Maybe you should put some shorts on or something, if you want to keep fighting evil today. - The Bowler, Mystery Men -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
Denis Crowdy wrote: James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old About 2 years ago, i went from a white 13 inch PowerPC iBook to a fully optioned up Dell Latitude X1. Admittedly the iBook was 3 years old when I did that, but AFAIAC it was very much the right way to go rather than getting an Intel powered iBook/MacBook. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - There are two kinds of people in the world, those that have children and those that ARE children. Children are selfish, or more accurately ego-centric. Children have a very short-sighted view of the world. Offer a child one lolly now or the whole bag later and before you can say ''Don't chop the dinosaur Daddy!'', it's in the gob. -- my friend Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:46:59PM +1000, James Gregory wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 12:30 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=James Gregory Can anyone recommend a laptop that is small (11.1 - 13.3 inches), reasonably fast, and can do suspend (both to RAM and disk) easily? Oh, and that I can buy now; old models aren't so interesting to me. Ubuntu is my OS of preference, but if it makes a difference, I'd consider switching to something else. The Dell M1330 is also pretty intriguing -- backlight and SSD storage! It is 13, slightly bigger than the D430. Yeah, that does look interesting, but it seems a bit weird having a wedge-shaped laptop. Still a contender though. I've got the earlier M1210 and love it. I've got everything working under linux except the front microphone jack (which seems to need special driver support) and the webcam (which I just haven't got to yet). We've got an M1330 coming in in about a week too, and we'll be putting linux on it. I'll report back how we go. Cheers, Gavin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:47 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Denis Crowdy wrote: James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old About 2 years ago, i went from a white 13 inch PowerPC iBook to a fully optioned up Dell Latitude X1. Admittedly the iBook was 3 years old when I did that, but AFAIAC it was very much the right way to go rather than getting an Intel powered iBook/MacBook. Unless things have progressed, on my MacBook Pro I needed to install a stupid bootloader/BIOS emulator which reserved half of the hard disk for MacOS. At the time -- a year ago -- I did try to run Linux on the bare metal, but the video mode selection wouldn't work with just EFI. I really didn't want my new laptop to look like a pre-XWindows UNIX box, so I had to install BootCamp and give up half the hard disk to MacOS. Please tell me that Fedora or Ubuntu Just Work(tm) on the bare metal now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On 13/09/2007, at 16:53, Glen Turner wrote: Unless things have progressed, on my MacBook Pro I needed to install a stupid bootloader/BIOS emulator which reserved half of the hard disk for MacOS. I don't think that's ever been true. The BIOS emulator has nothing to do with partitioning the hard disk. Boot Camp imposes that restriction, and you don't need Boot Camp for installing linux (or for anything else, other than burning a windows driver CD). At the time -- a year ago -- I did try to run Linux on the bare metal, but the video mode selection wouldn't work with just EFI. I really didn't want my new laptop to look like a pre-XWindows UNIX box, so I had to install BootCamp and give up half the hard disk to MacOS. No, you only actually had to install the firmware update that was released at the same time as Boot Camp, and then use diskutil or rEFIt's gptsync tool to make the hybrid GPT/MBR partition table. http://refit.sourceforge.net/myths/ Please tell me that Fedora or Ubuntu Just Work(tm) on the bare metal now. I haven't tried it recently, but I'd be surprised if they didn't. Regards Philip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:23:52 +0930 Glen Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:47 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Denis Crowdy wrote: James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old About 2 years ago, i went from a white 13 inch PowerPC iBook to a fully optioned up Dell Latitude X1. Admittedly the iBook was 3 years old when I did that, but AFAIAC it was very much the right way to go rather than getting an Intel powered iBook/MacBook. Unless things have progressed, on my MacBook Pro I needed to install a stupid bootloader/BIOS emulator which reserved half of the hard disk for MacOS. At the time -- a year ago -- I did try to run Linux on the bare metal, but the video mode selection wouldn't work with just EFI. I really didn't want my new laptop to look like a pre-XWindows UNIX box, so I had to install BootCamp and give up half the hard disk to MacOS. Please tell me that Fedora or Ubuntu Just Work(tm) on the bare metal now. I have a G4 12 iBook running Debian Etch. No problems except the modem doesn't work. I haven't really chased it up much since the rest of it seems to work well. It is about a year old or so. I doubt if I would get another one since it seems that there are cheaper equivalents. Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't access web through Broadband
G'day, Thanks for the description, I knew some of it, and this filled in the blanks. The reason I am swapping the phone plug is more laziness, that's the closest connection and I haven't bother to get all the plugs, leads, etc and set it properly yet. (Just moved into our new house, and also I don't want to leave leads running down the hallway where my kids can pull on them.) All the lights are doing what they are suppose to do. I have been using my broadband connection with Windows to send all these emails. So, its probably my setup then. I did have to add 10.1.1.1 to the hosts list to be able to talk to the modem in the first place. I couldn't connect just now until after I removed this. But my system connects 1 in 5 turns. So I downloaded my emails and did reply to your email. But before I could finish, my PC stopped communicating again. I haven't been able to get it up and running again, but all I did was deactived and reactive the ethO connection. The connection on my lappy, running Windows, has stayed up and running, so I'm retyping my reply on it. Now to tackle a software or authentication problem... Thanks again, Muz This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 17:13 +1000, Philip Derrin wrote: No, you only actually had to install the firmware update that was released at the same time as Boot Camp, and then use diskutil or rEFIt's gptsync tool to make the hybrid GPT/MBR partition table. Reformatting disk now :-) Thanks heaps Philip. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 17:12 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: I have a G4 12 iBook running Debian Etch. No problems except the modem doesn't work. I haven't really chased it up much since the rest of it seems to work well. It is about a year old or so. I doubt if I would get another one since it seems that there are cheaper equivalents. Hi Alan, The PowerPC Macs uses OpenFirmware, the Intel Macs use Intel's EFI, which is their next-generation BIOS. The modem in the G4s are a Conexant chipset. There is a non-free but source-available driver from Linuxant. You need to patch this and stuff about to get it to compile for PPC. In short, it's quicker to use a supported USB modem. Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't access web through Broadband
G'day Don't know if this helps, but I have managed to disable the ADSL connection to my windows machine by installing a firewall. Enable it and I can't connect to the web, even though firefox is an allowed program. When I disable it, everything is working again. More head scratching... Muz. Quoting Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: G'day, Thanks for the description, I knew some of it, and this filled in the blanks. The reason I am swapping the phone plug is more laziness, that's the closest connection and I haven't bother to get all the plugs, leads, etc and set it properly yet. (Just moved into our new house, and also I don't want to leave leads running down the hallway where my kids can pull on them.) All the lights are doing what they are suppose to do. I have been using my broadband connection with Windows to send all these emails. So, its probably my setup then. I did have to add 10.1.1.1 to the hosts list to be able to talk to the modem in the first place. I couldn't connect just now until after I removed this. But my system connects 1 in 5 turns. So I downloaded my emails and did reply to your email. But before I could finish, my PC stopped communicating again. I haven't been able to get it up and running again, but all I did was deactived and reactive the ethO connection. The connection on my lappy, running Windows, has stayed up and running, so I'm retyping my reply on it. Now to tackle a software or authentication problem... Thanks again, Muz This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - Pastafarianism : http://www.venganza.org/ The intelligent alternative to 'Intelligent Design'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. On 9/13/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Denis Crowdy James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old (which is old now I guess...) and have suspend to ram and disk working under feisty. But they're so heavy! Useful for smacking their owners with, but that's about all. ;-) - Jeff -- GNOME Boston Summit 2007 http://live.gnome.org/Boston2007 Maybe you should put some shorts on or something, if you want to keep fighting evil today. - The Bowler, Mystery Men -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't access web through Broadband
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 20:53 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a complete novice when it comes to setting up networks, and I'm running an ADSL router (D-Link 504T) on Ubuntu 6.06LTS (Drapper?). Turning of my firewall, through Firestarte, doesn't help. I wouldn't have a glue how to setup the network settings. When I was using a 504T as a router, the Linux clients on my network had a lot of problems with the modem's built-in nameserver. Windows clients would work just fine, OSX would work, but I seem to recall it logging errors with name resolution, and 9 times out of 10 Linux just wouldn't work with it at all. Somewhere else in the thread, Heracles talked about changing your Linux machine's DNS server. If that didn't help, I'd suggest checking your ISP's support pages for their name server address, and use that instead. Cheers, -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
According to teh intarwebs, macboocs are about 5 pounds/2.3Kg; Macbook Pros are 5.4 pounds/2.45kg (at least, the latest ones are - I think the prior models were a tad heavier). Jeff specifically mentioned a Dell D420, which according to http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/92149/dell-latitude-d420.html can have its weight pushed up as high as 1.7Kg if you add extra batteries. On 14/09/2007, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. On 9/13/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Denis Crowdy James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old (which is old now I guess...) and have suspend to ram and disk working under feisty. But they're so heavy! Useful for smacking their owners with, but that's about all. ;-) - Jeff -- GNOME Boston Summit 2007 http://live.gnome.org/Boston2007 Maybe you should put some shorts on or something, if you want to keep fighting evil today. - The Bowler, Mystery Men -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
Michael Lake wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? More fun would be to have a competition with the laptops like the Scottish Highland Games. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/heavy/descrip.htm 'Description: The stone put, or clachneart, involves putting the stone as far as possible. The stone must be put; i.e. like in the shot put; the stone may not be thrown from behind like a baseball, underarm like a softball, or overhead with two hands.' (where clachneart = laptop) Mike And will there be dress code? Maybe a pentatholon - something along the lines of 1) a bootup of various laptops. 2) I have washed spilt ink on my Targa laptop and it survived to star at the last SLUG meeting http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/video-capture-editing-using-kino.shtml 3) The Twinheads are supposed to be drop resistant. 4) Battery life/power consumption M -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? More fun would be to have a competition with the laptops like the Scottish Highland Games. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/heavy/descrip.htm 'Description: The stone put, or clachneart, involves putting the stone as far as possible. The stone must be put; i.e. like in the shot put; the stone may not be thrown from behind like a baseball, underarm like a softball, or overhead with two hands.' (where clachneart = laptop) Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Support Unit Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? I challenge you both to a fight with wet newspapers. (MacBook Pros are wrapped in metal. MacBooks are wrapped in plastic. Heavy plastic!) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/ Broken hearts rarely come with Some Assembly Required stickers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On 14/09/2007, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? I challenge you both to a fight with wet newspapers. (MacBook Pros are wrapped in metal. MacBooks are wrapped in plastic. Heavy plastic!) Bah! According to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html and http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html ... Mac Book 13 Total weight: 2.31kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.177 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 15 Total weight: 2.45kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.163 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 17 Total weight: 3.08kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.181 kg/inch So it all depends on whether you're talking about the 15 or 17 MBP in comparison to the MB :-) -- Michael Davies Do what you think is interesting, do somthing that [EMAIL PROTECTED]you think is fun and worthwhile, because otherwise http://michaeldavies.org you won't do it well anyway. -- Brian Kernighan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't access web through Broadband
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I know it is not ideal, but one thing to try is to check with your ISP and get the address of the DNSs. try these in the DNS area of the setup to see if that works. If it does then you will have to edit your dhclient.conf to make them stick. To do this you need to start a terminal then type sudo su - press enter and put in your password. This will make you root until you close the terminal or exit. cd /etc/dhcp3 vi dhclient.conf i //this takes you to insert mode move to the line that starts prepend... change the DNS from 127.0.0.1 to your ISPs DNS address press escape //This takes you back to command mode :wq //This is command write the file and quit vi //NOTE: the colon (:) is required Then exit and close the terminal. This is necessary because this file probes for DNS each time it is run (check out the line after the one you edited) and will change anything you put in your network settings dialog box. NOTE: If you do this and it works you will be bypassing your router and its firewall. Heracles Murray wrote: G'day Don't know if this helps, but I have managed to disable the ADSL connection to my windows machine by installing a firewall. Enable it and I can't connect to the web, even though firefox is an allowed program. When I disable it, everything is working again. More head scratching... Muz. Quoting Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: G'day, Thanks for the description, I knew some of it, and this filled in the blanks. The reason I am swapping the phone plug is more laziness, that's the closest connection and I haven't bother to get all the plugs, leads, etc and set it properly yet. (Just moved into our new house, and also I don't want to leave leads running down the hallway where my kids can pull on them.) All the lights are doing what they are suppose to do. I have been using my broadband connection with Windows to send all these emails. So, its probably my setup then. I did have to add 10.1.1.1 to the hosts list to be able to talk to the modem in the first place. I couldn't connect just now until after I removed this. But my system connects 1 in 5 turns. So I downloaded my emails and did reply to your email. But before I could finish, my PC stopped communicating again. I haven't been able to get it up and running again, but all I did was deactived and reactive the ethO connection. The connection on my lappy, running Windows, has stayed up and running, so I'm retyping my reply on it. Now to tackle a software or authentication problem... Thanks again, Muz This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG6eeoybPcBAs9CE8RAjaZAJ9v/py80gBvxlnPNE/+lOPzkvGQWQCgl351 GzvvCSxZu2vXzoqxLuSNlp8= =s3Xs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
quote who=Michael Davies Bah! According to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html and http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html ... All this talk about Apple is making me queasy. I'm going to go and lick a Debian CD. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/ ...and did you know that Twisties have real cheese in them? - Dave I didn't even think they had real twists in them! - Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't access web through Broadband
On Friday 14 September 2007 07:54:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know if this helps, but I have managed to disable the ADSL connection to my windows machine by installing a firewall. Enable it and I can't connect to the web, even though firefox is an allowed program. When I disable it, everything is working again. More head scratching... Typically your modem is a router giving DHCP information to the network machines. In this case a firewall does NOTHING positive for you: The modem forwards NOTHING to your machine, so no firewall is indicated. Ubuntu has no built in firewall, others need to have it turned off. You need to have DHCP enabled or else you must know all the network details: modem IP, DNS servers, your own IP etc. Likewise a firewall on your windows machine is valueless. Typically your firewall must allow ESTABLISHED,RELATED back but eg guarddog for ubuntu does not. Who knows what your firewall is doing. Don't use it. (The modem/router allows nothing from out to in and allows all inside stuff back [and it gets very complicated]) Now you can start: can you ping your modem? can you ping when you can't connect to internet? James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:58 +1000, Robert Collins wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:18 +0930, Michael Davies wrote: On 14/09/2007, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? I challenge you both to a fight with wet newspapers. (MacBook Pros are wrapped in metal. MacBooks are wrapped in plastic. Heavy plastic!) Bah! According to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html and http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html ... Mac Book 13 Total weight: 2.31kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.177 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 15 Total weight: 2.45kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.163 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 17 Total weight: 3.08kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.181 kg/inch So it all depends on whether you're talking about the 15 or 17 MBP in comparison to the MB :-) Sounds like a choice from '1.5 times heavier to 2.5 times heavier' :) You are all pussies. When I was a boy, we used to carry our laptops in backpacks and only complain if they were over 30kg. That didn't include the tty you had to carry seperately and the spare valves. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On 14/09/2007, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are all pussies. Sounds like you might like to have joined this thread (http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2007-September/087998.html) then :) -- Michael Davies Do what you think is interesting, do somthing that [EMAIL PROTECTED]you think is fun and worthwhile, because otherwise http://michaeldavies.org you won't do it well anyway. -- Brian Kernighan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:18 +0930, Michael Davies wrote: On 14/09/2007, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo James Dumay wrote: They are not heavy MacBook Pros are. Next SLUG meeting, how about we compare the weight of your machine against my Dell or Robert's Dell? I challenge you both to a fight with wet newspapers. (MacBook Pros are wrapped in metal. MacBooks are wrapped in plastic. Heavy plastic!) Bah! According to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html and http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html ... Mac Book 13 Total weight: 2.31kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.177 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 15 Total weight: 2.45kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.163 kg/inch Mac Book Pro 17 Total weight: 3.08kg Weight / inch of screen: 0.181 kg/inch So it all depends on whether you're talking about the 15 or 17 MBP in comparison to the MB :-) Sounds like a choice from '1.5 times heavier to 2.5 times heavier' :) -Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
david wrote: snip You are all pussies. When I was a boy, we used to carry our laptops in backpacks and only complain if they were over 30kg. That didn't include the tty you had to carry seperately and the spare valves. Sounds like you could really have done with Linux, when you were a boy. M -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SFD celebration in Nepal
Hey FOSSians, Here is the link for the SFD celebration in Nepal. http://www.tuxolta.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_Freedom_Day_2007 -- cheers!! Ekta Silwal -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 10:09 +1000, Michael Lake wrote: 'Description: The stone put, or clachneart, involves putting the stone as far as possible. The stone must be put; i.e. like in the shot put; the stone may not be thrown from behind like a baseball, underarm like a softball, or overhead with two hands.' (where clachneart = laptop) I have at least one Thinkpad that people can try putting if they really want. And I'm fairly sure they'll just bounce. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
SNIP You are all pussies. When I was a boy, we used to carry our laptops in backpacks and only complain if they were over 30kg. That didn't include the tty you had to carry seperately and the spare valves. I still have my first portable: IBM twin disk, Compaq clone, about 30lb, cost $3400 in 1984 -- and no printer port! Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
