[SLUG] Hardware problem
Hi there, I'm Gerd, new on the list, having used different flavours of Unix since 1989. Since 6.3 I'm using almost exclusively Suse's distribution. I bought a new laptop about a year and a half ago, MEDION Akoya MD96852, Intel Core 2 Duo, NVIDIA GeForce 8600GS. It was furnished with Vista. I partinioned the disk and installed Opensuse 11.1. With that I had problems with the graphic. When booting the screen remained black after I selected the version from the grub menu. The statistics were that it would come up correctly about every 6th attempt. I opened a thread in forums.opensuse.org where I received quite a few hints, all concentrating on the graphic card and its driver. I tried everything. Nothing worked. It ended with somebody suggesting it was the hardware. I discarded that because Vista was starting and running without problems. Then came opensuse 11.2 and all was fine for half a year. With opensuse 11.3 it was worse than with 11.1. It would not start the graphics at all. Sometimes I could log in from another computer via the LAN. I could also start it up with the emergence setup using the proprietary graphics driver. Searching the various files under /var/log occasionally I found hints for malfunctioning hardware without any specifying. So I returned to 11.2 but also filed a repair ticket with Medion (still under warranty). They checked it and stated that all the hardware is ok. It turned out that all their testing software is Windows based which left me with the uneasy feeling there may still be a problem. Medion always refers to Windows. If Windows is running all is well and they feel no obligation to pursue the problem. Can anyone help me? Is there rigorous testing software for the graphic card and its memory? Has anyone had a similar problem? All hints are appreciated. Thanks, Gerd -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware problem
It sounds like the nvidia graphics card maybe the problem but it could be a change to some other component of opensuse... On 11.3 were you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Hi all, My mother-in-law has been using a Shuttle style PC running Ubuntu for a number of years and that machine has just died. Anybody have any recommendations for a small form-factor machine (shuttle sized or even mac-mini style) that can be bought without paying the windows tax? Sydney local preferred but open to other options. Cheers, Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Zazz.com.au has ubuntu installed pc's from time to time. They seem to be ex-leases, form factor is usually smallish. Although you have to wait for them to come around for sale :) Dean Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, My mother-in-law has been using a Shuttle style PC running Ubuntu for a number of years and that machine has just died. Anybody have any recommendations for a small form-factor machine (shuttle sized or even mac-mini style) that can be bought without paying the windows tax? Sydney local preferred but open to other options. Cheers, Erik -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Hi Erik, I'm a computer dealer and a reseller for Altech and various other suppliers. I can get most anything. Have a look at kits at the address below... http://www.altech.com.au/kit.aspx Ignore the windows components as I can get everything without the windows tax. You can also mix and match parts to suit yourself if you want some other specs like more disks etc... I'm keeping this off-list for now but I can also do very good pricing for fellow SLUG members ;-) Shop around and, if you want, let me know if I can get a better price for you. Ben On 30/06/2010 11:10 AM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, My mother-in-law has been using a Shuttle style PC running Ubuntu for a number of years and that machine has just died. Anybody have any recommendations for a small form-factor machine (shuttle sized or even mac-mini style) that can be bought without paying the windows tax? Sydney local preferred but open to other options. Cheers, Erik -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Oops sorry, I really did mean to keep it off list... Ben On 30/06/2010 11:25 AM, Ben Donohue wrote: Hi Erik, I'm a computer dealer and a reseller for Altech and various other suppliers. I can get most anything. Have a look at kits at the address below... http://www.altech.com.au/kit.aspx Ignore the windows components as I can get everything without the windows tax. You can also mix and match parts to suit yourself if you want some other specs like more disks etc... I'm keeping this off-list for now but I can also do very good pricing for fellow SLUG members ;-) Shop around and, if you want, let me know if I can get a better price for you. Ben On 30/06/2010 11:10 AM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, My mother-in-law has been using a Shuttle style PC running Ubuntu for a number of years and that machine has just died. Anybody have any recommendations for a small form-factor machine (shuttle sized or even mac-mini style) that can be bought without paying the windows tax? Sydney local preferred but open to other options. Cheers, Erik -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Asrock ion 330 is great as it accelerates video using an nvidia ion. I use one as my xbmc box Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
Many of the APUS machines come without O/S. For example, http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_14849_APUS_AMD_Athlon_X2_245_Dual_Core_Budget_System They have a shuttle-like system too, http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_9245_APUS_INTEL_Q8400_CORE_2_QUAD_MINI_PC_SYSTEM__1TB at a slightly higher price. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendations
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 10:00:03 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Hi all, My mother-in-law has been using a Shuttle style PC running Ubuntu for a number of years and that machine has just died. Anybody have any recommendations for a small form-factor machine (shuttle sized or even mac-mini style) that can be bought without paying the windows tax? Sydney local preferred but open to other options. I got mine an eee 1001HA which was cheap, comes with a mic and camera and u10.04 netbook remix made it quite usable for her. (After 17374 times of being told how to grab a window by the title bar ...) Also the LED display is quite nice. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Hardware stress test for 64bit arch
Hi all, I'm after some hardware stress testing utils for 64bit linux - specifically network, CPU and memory. I have a feeling this has come up recently but can't find the reference - I know someone suggested bonnie++ on a similar thread recently, but as far as I can see that hasn't been updated for 5 1/2 years, and there are a few similarly unmaintained tool sets out there. I'm going to have a look at bonnie++, but if anyone has any other suggestions I'd be most grateful. Cheers, Craig PS - I'll be testing this on a Centos5 box, if that matters. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hardware for Asterisk server - Digium TDM400P, X100P FXO??
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 10:56 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: One other small point. Make sure that the PCI bus is at least 2.2 spec. That TDM400P doesn't work with earlier PCI specs - ie. no old hardware as the server - been there, done that, got the scars... Another question - a normal modem (onboard or external) *can't* be used with Asterisk - right? My understanding is you need a device that offers XFO capabilities, but I just want to be 100% sure before giving the NGO a definite 'no' to using normal modems and having to buy a new device. -- Sonia Hamilton blog: http://SoniaHamilton.wordpress.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hardware for Asterisk server - Digium TDM400P, X100P FXO??
On Sat, February 2, 2008 12:37, Sonia Hamilton wrote: I'm doing some volunteer work with a non-profit (in Guatemala), and they want me to set up a small Asterisk server (as they've been waiting 2 weeks for the PABX serviceman to come out and he charges $US75/hr - expensive for a 3rd world country). I just want to check with the Asterisk 'experts' that I'm on the right track with hardware: * they have 3 analog phone lines, which would therefore require a PCI card with 3 FXO modules? Correct. They are the red modules, the FXS modules are green. The populated product number is TDM03B. That is the TDM400P card complete with 0 FXS modules and the 3 FXO modules. * at the high end, I've recommended a Digium Wildcard TDM400P with 4 x FXO's ($US421) - does this sound right? I have had no problems with genuine Digium products. * at the low end, I've recommended a X100P FXO PCI ($US29.95) - does this sound right? I have heard reports of problems with this product, but no personal experience. Comments about the above hardware, or recommendations for cheaper/better hardware? I'm aware of the goodness of echo cancellation, a decent server and an FXS module for connecting an analog handset for emergencies I assume that you will be using digital handsets. You might need a FXS module on the card to drive a fax, or as you say, an analoge handset. The populated product number then becomes TDM13B. As this is Guatamala then there is no ACMA problem, but in AU you would have to buy them from a source that has A-tick approvals; I use http://www.austechpartnerships.com/atp/ - I think it's going to be a process of showing them what Asterisk can do, then getting money for a proper server/addins/cards/etc. Getting the dial plan right can be a bit mind bending :) Glad to help as I am about off to do a similar project in Nepal. -- Sonia Hamilton blog: http://SoniaHamilton.wordpress.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Howard LANNet Computing Associates http://lannet.com.au When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] hardware for Asterisk server - Digium TDM400P, X100P FXO??
I'm doing some volunteer work with a non-profit (in Guatemala), and they want me to set up a small Asterisk server (as they've been waiting 2 weeks for the PABX serviceman to come out and he charges $US75/hr - expensive for a 3rd world country). I just want to check with the Asterisk 'experts' that I'm on the right track with hardware: * they have 3 analog phone lines, which would therefore require a PCI card with 3 FXO modules? * at the high end, I've recommended a Digium Wildcard TDM400P with 4 x FXO's ($US421) - does this sound right? * at the low end, I've recommended a X100P FXO PCI ($US29.95) - does this sound right? Comments about the above hardware, or recommendations for cheaper/better hardware? I'm aware of the goodness of echo cancellation, a decent server and an FXS module for connecting an analog handset for emergencies - I think it's going to be a process of showing them what Asterisk can do, then getting money for a proper server/addins/cards/etc. -- Sonia Hamilton blog: http://SoniaHamilton.wordpress.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware Question
Kevin Fitzgerald wrote: Hi all I am building a Production FC4 box with Scalix (www.scalix.com) for use in a small site (12 users). The site is My church and I don't have Bucketloads of $$ to spend but I have two available boxes to build on. 1Ghz Celeron with 1.5Gb SDRAM (3 slots) 2.8Ghz P4 with 1Gb SDRAM (2 Slots) Now the question is this. For running Scalix (Mail server) and general Samba stuff. Am I better to lean towards the Faster Processor with Less RAM or do I go with the More RAM but slower Processor? From what I understand I cannot buy SDRAM in sticks bigger than 512Mb so each Box is Maxxed out. Can anyone give me an educated opinion on what the best to do is? Ta - Kevin Fitzgerald TCG TECHNOLOGIES Skype: kevtcg MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0412 404 002 Web: www.tcgtech.com.au I have installed both scalix and zimbra on far less specs and they run fine for 2 or 3 users, so your specs IMO would suit your usage just fine. The reason I mention Zimbra, is that the last time I looked it had 3 advantages over Scalix. 1 / Open Source for 90% of it, there are some proprietary plugins such as outlook plugin, but all of what I need is FOSS. 2 / Calender sharing is handled very very nicely, simple and more effective than anything else I have seen. The calender sharing in Scalix is not available in the free version (free as in beer, I don't believe it is open source). 3 / thunderbird / sunbird plugin, so not tied down to outlook, and imports any ical calenders. Both have an easy install, and easy graphic admin, but for what your needs seem to be, I would go with Zimbra. Just my observations though, there may be a compelling reason for you to use Scalix over Zimbra, but at least you know Zimbra is out there. BTW. I am running zimbra on a celeron 466, with 256MB of sd ram. While I most certainly would not use this machine in production, it is fine for 2 or 3 users and suits my purposes at home. Again, your specs are fine. I use Centos rather than fedora, just for the peace of mind, that it is a stable and tested Distro, all the servers such as apache, mysql etc etc, are contained in the install, so all the software is the same anyway, so why not use the stable base?? Question = Don't p4's have ddr ram? (I'm not a hardware person) Either system will be fine, personally I would go with the P4 and have generous swap. Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware Question
On 4/30/06, tuxta2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question = Don't p4's have ddr ram? (I'm not a hardware person) Depends on the motherboard chipset... but yeah its more likely to be ddr sdram, maybe the poster should be more specific about the system boards in the machines, so that we can comment more. Although as pointed out by others, I too agree they should be very suitable. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Hardware Question
Hi all I am building a Production FC4 box with Scalix (www.scalix.com) for use in a small site (12 users). The site is My church and I don't have Bucketloads of $$ to spend but I have two available boxes to build on. 1Ghz Celeron with 1.5Gb SDRAM (3 slots) 2.8Ghz P4 with 1Gb SDRAM (2 Slots) Now the question is this. For running Scalix (Mail server) and general Samba stuff. Am I better to lean towards the Faster Processor with Less RAM or do I go with the More RAM but slower Processor? From what I understand I cannot buy SDRAM in sticks bigger than 512Mb so each Box is Maxxed out. Can anyone give me an educated opinion on what the best to do is? Ta - Kevin Fitzgerald TCG TECHNOLOGIES Skype: kevtcg MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0412 404 002 Web: www.tcgtech.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware Question
IMO, for what you are talking about, both machines are over-spec'd. Email is not time critical and 12 users and Samba will hardly cause any box to crack a sweat - we're not talking Windows here. If I had this situation I would use the 1GHz box, pull out 1Gb of RAM and sell it to recoup some of the costs. Win - win all round. On Sun, April 30, 2006 12:02, Kevin Fitzgerald wrote: Hi all I am building a Production FC4 box with Scalix (www.scalix.com) for use in a small site (12 users). The site is My church and I don't have Bucketloads of $$ to spend but I have two available boxes to build on. 1Ghz Celeron with 1.5Gb SDRAM (3 slots) 2.8Ghz P4 with 1Gb SDRAM (2 Slots) Now the question is this. For running Scalix (Mail server) and general Samba stuff. Am I better to lean towards the Faster Processor with Less RAM or do I go with the More RAM but slower Processor? From what I understand I cannot buy SDRAM in sticks bigger than 512Mb so each Box is Maxxed out. Can anyone give me an educated opinion on what the best to do is? Ta - Kevin Fitzgerald TCG TECHNOLOGIES Skype: kevtcg MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0412 404 002 Web: www.tcgtech.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Howard LANNet Computing Associates http://lannet.com.au When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
Michael Lake wrote: Got it!! www.linuxprinting.org is the answer and for scanners see http://www.sane-project.org/ It will list scanners and how much they are supored and links to the drivers. Mike Knew there was one around for scanners but couldn't remember it either and forgot to go looking Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
Phil Scarratt wrote: John Gibbons wrote: Hi SLUGs, I am brand new to Linux and know practically nothing about it but somehow managed to install Mandrake 9.1 alongside XP. Need advice on suitable medium price colour inkjet printer and suitable scanner plus drivers. Also need a driver for either Wacom tablet or Acecat Flair tablet. Can anyone please help while keeping technical language to minimum? John. Got it!! www.linuxprinting.org is the answer and for scanners see http://www.sane-project.org/ It will list scanners and how much they are supored and links to the drivers. Mike -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware
Hi SLUGs, I am brand new to Linux and know practically nothing aboutitbut somehow managed to install Mandrake 9.1 alongside XP. Need advice on suitable medium price colour inkjet printer and suitable scanner plus drivers. Also need a driver for either Wacom tablet or Acecat Flair tablet. Can anyone please help while keeping technical language to minimum? John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
John Gibbons wrote: Hi SLUGs, I am brand new to Linux and know practically nothing about it but somehow managed to install Mandrake 9.1 alongside XP. Need advice on suitable medium price colour inkjet printer and suitable scanner plus drivers. Also need a driver for either Wacom tablet or Acecat Flair tablet. Can anyone please help while keeping technical language to minimum? John. There's a website around - address escapes me and I don't seem to have it bookmarked on this computer - which will answer all such questions...try googling for pritner drivers linux -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor 0403 53 12 71 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
John Gibbons wrote: Hi SLUGs, I am brand new to Linux and know practically nothing about it but somehow managed to install Mandrake 9.1 alongside XP. Need advice on suitable medium price colour inkjet printer and suitable scanner plus drivers. Also need a driver for either Wacom tablet or Acecat Flair tablet. Can anyone please help while keeping technical language to minimum? John. Got it!! www.linuxprinting.org is the answer -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor 0403 53 12 71 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hardware time, local time in NSW, overridingdaylightsaving start/end ?
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:03:26 Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am I correct that I should set Linux hardware time to UTC, and, system to local time ? Yes, if you're not dual-booting with a windows OS. Though it doesn't really matter, as long as you remember which it is. at 23:57 local time I got this, am I correctly set for NSW ?: does take care for daylight saving changes automagically ? That looks good to me. We're ten hours ahead when we're not daylight saving. and, If wanted to overide daylight saving 'when to start' (like we did for Olympics), where/how ? There's a source file you can edit, then run zic (zoneinfo compiler) to produce all the files and dirs you see in /usr/share/zoneinfo. I think you could create your own timezone (Australia/Voytek) and make up your own rules. or .. set TZ according to the instructions in man tzset .. so though I haven't done this and it looks a little hairy. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] hardware time, local time in NSW, overriding daylightsavingstart/end ?
am I correct that I should set Linux hardware time to UTC, and, system to local time ? at 23:57 local time I got this, am I correctly set for NSW ?: does take care for daylight saving changes automagically ? and, If wanted to overide daylight saving 'when to start' (like we did for Olympics), where/how ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] logs]# date -u Sat Jul 19 13:57:53 UTC 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] logs]# date Sat Jul 19 23:57:56 EST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] logs]# Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. Dave. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, James Gregory wrote: Can anyone recommend me a Bluetooth interface thing that works with linux? I'm currently thinking USB, but pcmcia is doable. I want it to talk to a bluetooth enabled mobile phone. Thanks, James. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DecStation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. actually 3COM mightnt' be the best either... any USB should in theory work, as the USB / Bluetooth interface is standardised, I've only used an Ericcson USB dongle before though.. Dave. Dave. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, James Gregory wrote: Can anyone recommend me a Bluetooth interface thing that works with linux? I'm currently thinking USB, but pcmcia is doable. I want it to talk to a bluetooth enabled mobile phone. Thanks, James. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DecStation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] hardware clock is standard time and linux expects utc
When I set up my dual boot laptop I said the clock was UTC and it is not (or vice versa). Unfortunately someone booted it on the lan and the hardware clock has been reset. How do I swap the settings from UTC hardware clock to standard clock? KenF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hardware clock is standard time and linux expects utc
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 06:32:43AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote: When I set up my dual boot laptop I said the clock was UTC and it is not (or vice versa). Unfortunately someone booted it on the lan and the hardware clock has been reset. How do I swap the settings from UTC hardware clock to standard clock? I think you need to find the startup script containing the line UTC=true, and change it to UTC=false. Or maybe UTC=yes and change it to UTC=no. Seems to be in a variety of places depending on distro. Red Hat, Mandrake, etc have it in /etc/sysconfig/clock. Debian has it in /etc/default/rcS. Probably grepping around in /etc for UTC will get you to the right place. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
Slug people, I'd like to get a discussion going about licensing things through hardware or having licenses on drivers I think sometimes it is great like the commercial license for the GSM codec MS net meeting uses in the DSP chip in my quicknet card. But what really shits me is when a vendor has made Linux drivers but chooses not to release them (ether in binary or better open source) to everyone - just a few entities that pay and or sign documents. Is it right to make people pay for after-market Linux drivers from 3rd party vendors - when the 3rd parties (Im talking Xig, MetroX, OSS, Mandrake, the commercial CUPS driver ppl ... not to name names) just are people who have relationships with the hardware manufacturer. I bought my OSS license in 97 and told it would last forever (from the sales hype at the time). In 2000 they solicited more money just because I bought a newer crystal card than what I previously had. A few months ago I bought a Lexmark Z12 only to find out Mandrake has the drivers but I have to give them $150 for the boxed commercial version of their Linux distribution to get cups drivers. I paid OSS twice but I'll be dammed if I'll pay mandrake Inc to get my printer going. I feel like committing ethical software piracy. If Lexmark can give the driver source to Mandrake, I should get equal treatment - after all I bought their bloody hardware. Any one who would like to participate in such venture may send me package no questions asked :_) These 3rd party device vendors should just rack off. It should be free or not at all. It isn't right to have Linux hardware taxes to replace the Microsoft OEM tax when it eventually goes. Why do some vendors still need to guard the API to their hardware? Let me know what you all think. Cheers, Luke McKee Systems Administrator RTS Realtime Systems Pty Ltd Ph: +61 2 8259 3921 Fax: +61 2 9259 3999 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
Luke McKee wrote: These 3rd party device vendors should just rack off. It should be free or not at all. It isn't right to have Linux hardware taxes to replace the Microsoft OEM tax when it eventually goes. Why do some vendors still need to guard the API to their hardware? Let me know what you all think. I agree with you in principle that you shouldn't have to pay extra to make something you've already bought work. However, I also think that we should take it upon ourselves to do a little research before buying hardware and make sure that the hardware will work without having to fork out extra for commercial drivers. From what you've written at [1] and [2] below, it doesn't sound like you had done any research at all before purchased your hardware. [1] I bought my OSS license in 97 and told it would last forever (from the sales hype at the time). In 2000 they solicited more money just because I bought a newer crystal card than what I previously had. [2] A few months ago I bought a Lexmark Z12 only to find out Mandrake has the drivers but I have to give them $150 for the boxed commercial version of their Linux distribution to get cups drivers. The first one might be forgiveable, given that you thought you already owned the commercial driver, but the second one is different. Visiting http://www.linuxprinting.org shows that it has the Z12 listed as 'paperweight' (see http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark for the entire list of Lexmark printers and http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=486066 for the Z12 entry). One has to wonder why you would buy a printer with such a recommendation. Sorry if I sound harsh. I'm just telling it like I see it. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
What's more, by buying only supported hardware, you encourage the good guys who DO release free drivers. It is for this reason that I will never buy an Nvidia card, no matter how many zillion polygons it does. Well, never unless they release free drivers. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Send email with subject send key pub for public key. Given the choice between two evils, I pick the one I haven't tried before. - Mae West msg23027/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
Luke McKee wrote: From what you've written at [1] and [2] below, it doesn't sound like you had done any research at all before purchased your hardware. LMC: True. But sooner or later Linux should stop being a DAYOR (Do at your own risk) operating system. Many people - especially the newest members of the list may not have had much choice in choosing what components went inside their system. It may not be a good experience for a new Linux user to realize they have to start paying out money to get everything working. Linux is still not a mainstream operating system. Many companies still make hardware suitable only for Windows. There's no point being in denial about it - you're just making life hard for yourself, and easier for those companies, who see that it doesn't matter that they don't cater for us Linux users because we buy the hardware anyway. One has to wonder why you would buy a printer with such a recommendation. LMC: Yes you were right = Impulse buy, but for $60 bucks could it be forgiven? Depends on how much you would've had to pay for a printer that was supported by a free linux driver. You'd have to account for the $150 extra that you paid for the commercial Mandrake release. And what if you wanted to use something other than Mandrake? Like Debian, for example? I don't think Linux will ever have plug and play ready decent drivers in the kernel for all hardware. I have to patch iptables, SMC (net), ftape-4x, quicknet, isdn-dov capi, cups, sane (hp4200) + scarse just to all my hardware working. There are always going to be extra drivers but as we agree they should be free if available for Linux. Sounds like you've been doing quite a bit of impulse buying, by the sound of it. If you're happy doing the extra work to get it all going and paying a few extra $$ occasionally, fine. Me? I like the easy life. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware Theft
hey George, Send me a file, Word or something, encrypted this way - I want to see how good the protection is, and how long it takes me to crack it (my record for a WORD document with a 7 character mixed case and alpha/numeric password is... 3.5 DAYS... Hell, it's a Windoze program.:-) Jon They're probably Windows 2K or XP an I've used encryption.. it's based on the users login and works quite well for once.. files transfered to another machine or access by a different account is useless.. thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16 2002 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware Theft Take a look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23664.html - OK, it's the UK, but makes you wonder how many of OUR Government computers have suffered the same fate ? I know of one machine that was taken, the theif reaching in through an OPEN WINDOW, from Mascot Police Station, that contained a database of known criminals (and I *don't* mean Windows users !!) in the area. Hey, YOU voted for them !!! The Federal Liberal is just as bad.. I heard on the radio this morning that over 500 laptops went missing from the ATO, the Defense Dept, Health and and DFAT. No one knows what was on the disks or if it is readable. Darryl Williams (AG) said that the laptops had a password encryption feature. I guess it was probably the windoze user passwd rachel - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware Theft
Take a look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23664.html - OK, it's the UK, but makes you wonder how many of OUR Government computers have suffered the same fate ? I know of one machine that was taken, the theif reaching in through an OPEN WINDOW, from Mascot Police Station, that contained a database of known criminals (and I *don't* mean Windows users !!) in the area. Hey, YOU voted for them !!! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware Theft
Take a look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23664.html - OK, it's the UK, but makes you wonder how many of OUR Government computers have suffered the same fate ? I know of one machine that was taken, the theif reaching in through an OPEN WINDOW, from Mascot Police Station, that contained a database of known criminals (and I *don't* mean Windows users !!) in the area. Hey, YOU voted for them !!! The Federal Liberal is just as bad.. I heard on the radio this morning that over 500 laptops went missing from the ATO, the Defense Dept, Health and and DFAT. No one knows what was on the disks or if it is readable. Darryl Williams (AG) said that the laptops had a password encryption feature. I guess it was probably the windoze user passwd rachel - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware Theft
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23664.html - OK, it's the UK, but makes you wonder how many of OUR Government computers have suffered the same fate ? According to recent reports, almost 1500 stolen in the last year. That's quite a chunk of change. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
At 5:55 pm, Sunday, November 4 2001, DaZZa mumbled: Those travelling computer fares can give some shit hot prices too - last one I attended seemed to average about 15% lower than retail. They tend to have more recent stock - but I don't know if they come to Sydney anymore. The last one I went to was in Canberra. Sure they do. I can't remember the URL for the life of me, but there's a one that goes to the Roundhouse at UNSW, Parramatta Town Hall, somewhere in Penrith and a few other places. -- Steve SynrG the days when men were men, programmers were programmers, and broadband meant carrying an armload of magtapes down the hall PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
Steve Kowalik wrote: I can't remember the URL for the life of me, but there's a one that goes to the Roundhouse at UNSW, Parramatta Town Hall, somewhere in Penrith and a few other places. Tryhttp://www.computerfairs.com.au Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
Greetings all, Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook (swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be retired. Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the whole system, and at least I get warranty ! At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet). Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !! If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat. Jon Greetings all, Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook (swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be retired. Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the whole system, and at least I get warranty ! At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet). Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !! If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat. Jon Greetings all, Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook (swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be retired. Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the whole system, and at least I get warranty ! At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet). Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !! If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat. Jon P.S. Any hints on where I can get GOOD parts CHEAP to build this will also be welcome !! -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
If you have got the Nov LJ then there is a good article on building the Ultimate Linux Box. BTW, why the 3 copies of the text? On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet). Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !! -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
At 08:52 4/11/01 +1100, you wrote: If you have got the Nov LJ then there is a good article on building the Ultimate Linux Box. Reading it now,..:-) BTW, why the 3 copies of the text? Yeah, sorry about that - playing around with macros in MUTT and is fscked something up - I only realised it 0.01 seconds AFTER sending the message...:-( Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:
[...triple copy of text about building a new box deleted...]
:-)
{Proecssor Choice}
Go for the Athlon. Actually, if you look on Toms Hardware page, there
*might* even be a dual Athlon board available now - SMP at 1.4 Ghz on
Athlon - now *that*'s speed.
The P4 is a stopgap until Intel get their 64bit processor ready - it's not
really much execpt a P3 with a thinner/smaller production method used.
P.S. Any hints on where I can get GOOD parts CHEAP to build this will also
be welcome !!
As always, North Rocks computer market. Not sure when they stop for the
year, though. Early December sometime, I think. You won't get the latest
and greatest stuff there, though. It's usually a genertion behind - older
stock that's being cleared out for cheap. Still a good deal, though.
Those travelling computer fares can give some shit hot prices too - last
one I attended seemed to average about 15% lower than retail. They tend to
have more recent stock - but I don't know if they come to Sydney anymore.
The last one I went to was in Canberra.
DaZZa
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[SLUG] Hardware
Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? I've found one for $750 spec'd pretty well as a desktop replacement. Jon --- WTC /dev/null; chmod +x /usr/bin/laden; rm -rf /usr/bin/laden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
* This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell said: Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? I've found one for $750 spec'd pretty well as a desktop replacement. I'm running Linux happily on a 1.4Ghz Athlon without a problem (apart from heat) -- Greeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B Imagine working in a secure environment and finding the string _NSAKEY in the OS binaries without a good explanation -Alan Cox 04/05/2001 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell wrote: Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? Nup. Choose Athlon/Duron/K7 for processor type when (if) you build your own kernel. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Yes, all those nice busy men from History didn't spend ages perfecting the design of nooses so that you could neglect to make toy ones, did they? -- Terry Horner in akt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Moor wrote: I've had reasonably good luck with Abit boards, but dealer friends tell me that their QA has gone to crap. This is true. My first Abit board was the KA7-100, for an 800MHz Ath. Something happened that ended up frying the IDE controllers. I went to upgrade, but of course by this stage no-one sold Slot A mobos, so I had to upgrade to a socket mobo, the KT7A-RAID, also by Abit. In the period since I bought it, the second serial port stopped working altogether, and the first IDE channel isn't detected by the BIOS (which I suspect is my fault). I won't be buying Abit again, but I won't say that they're all crap ;) (If anyone knows where I can get a Slot A motherboard, preferably non-Abit, I'd be interested... I have an 800MHz processor that's yearns to hunt for aliens.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Virtual reality is its own reward. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? MacIIvx, 20M ram, 16mhz. Took 18 hours to install slink (cut down to 105M). Still got it as a curiosity. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
I've got a Multia (c 1994?) and a DEC Alpha Raster Image Processor (Cabriolet) from 1995. A mate has a Sun IPC/IPX thing that we are entertaining the thought of Linux on ... what vintage are they? Cheers, Rob At 23:22 9/06/2001, you wrote: Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? -- Today is a good day to bribe a high ranking public official. This is random quote 984 of a collection of 1124 . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Rachel Polanskis wrote: A Commodore (that's right!) 386-SX16 with 8MB. It took 10 minutes to boot and I used it as a dialup box for 3 months until I got my first 486 ;) My first system was Linux 0.99 running on a 386SX16 with 4Mb RAM. Didn't have X then, only the CLI but it ran fine. I also have had elks running on an XT laptop with 1 Mb RAM - again CLI only. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Rob B was once rumoured to have said: I've got a Multia (c 1994?) and a DEC Alpha Raster Image Processor (Cabriolet) from 1995. A mate has a Sun IPC/IPX thing that we are entertaining the thought of Linux on ... what vintage are they? IPC/IPX is '92-'93 vintage I think. I know my SLC/ELCs are same era, and they're c. '92 if I recall correctly (The Sun Hardware FAQ should have accurate details - I've never really looked this one up). They'll run Linux and OpenBSD far better than they'll run Solaris, thats for certain. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Must be the prospect of all that gardening and cleaning up if the computer museum (i.e. the garage) SWMBO has mandated during the next 23 days of annual leave (bugger !!), but I'm bored,.. So I thought I'd start a Linux Hardware discussion topic; Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? For me, it's the Toshiba Libretto 110CT - the 800 x 480 screen was an absolute bugger to get right under X. Jon -- - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
I'm not sure if it counts, but I have an LRP setup for a 386SX/20. Naturally no hard disk and only 4M of RAM which has 2 nic's in it to be a mini router for my cable connection (it did work once before). Can't get much slower than that unless someone wants to try a full blown install on a box like that! :) - Original Message - From: Steve Kowalik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Biddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: SLUG List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 11:22:53PM +1000, Jon Biddell uttered: Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? An extremly flaky 386DX/33. Ohhh, that was fun. Not. I'm sure everyone else can beat me though. :-) -- Steve I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding contest. --Me -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Steve Kowalik wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 11:22:53PM +1000, Jon Biddell uttered: Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? An extremly flaky 386DX/33. Ohhh, that was fun. Not. I'm sure everyone else can beat me though. :-) A Commodore (that's right!) 386-SX16 with 8MB. It took 10 minutes to boot and I used it as a dialup box for 3 months until I got my first 486 ;) rachel -- Rachel PolanskisOptus/Excite@Home UNIX Administrator 100 Harris Street IT Operations Pyrmont, Sydney NSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph: (+61 2) 900 51144 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Jon Biddell was once rumoured to have said: Q. What is the oldest / wierdest / most cantankerous piece of hardware that you've ever had Linux running on ? Oldest would have to be SparcStation SLC w/ 16MBs of RAM... but progsoc can beat me on that one with their SparcServer 4/330. [We also had one when I was working at the ANU, but I installed NetBSD on it instead :)] C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Antiques
Raul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure if it counts, but I have an LRP setup for a 386SX/20. Naturally
no hard disk and only 4M of RAM which has 2 nic's in it to be a mini router
for my cable connection (it did work once before).
Can't get much slower than that unless someone wants to try a full blown
install on a box like that! :)
Well, I used to run X on a 386SX/20 with 5MB of memory. Compiling the kernel
took around 24 hours IIRC.
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[SLUG] Hardware for sale
Although this is a Sydney based group I know that a lot of people are from
Melbourne reading this so here it goes:
After cleaning up my shelves I found some stuff for sale.
I wouldnt know what how much some of the items may be (if at all).
Hardrives:
~~
If new 10GB drives cost $240, then a GB is worth $24:
WD Caviar 2850 (0.85GB)$20
Quantum Fireball TM 3200AT (3.2GB) $60
Seagate MedalistST32122A (2.1GB) $40
RAM:
5 x 8 MB 72Pin $???
Network:
150m coaxial cable cut to different length,
with T pieces, connectors, some wall plates etc $???
8 x RTL8029 based network cards (PCI, UTP and 10B2) $10
1 x intel ether express (ISA, UTP and 10B2) $10
1 mini hub with one 10B2 port and 8 RJ45 ports $30
or $120 the for the lot.
Sound:
~~
1 Vibra 16
(this is actually not a bad card) $20
video:
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1 Hercules StingRay 64 ('95)$
(good for firewall etc).
Motherboards:
~
some motherboards with 486 based CPU's and fans $15
some motherboards with early Pentium CPU's (eg 100mhz) and fans $20
(again good for firewalls)
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Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
snipt To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) IIRC One of the Netgear cards is tulip based.. The tulip cards are pretty rock solid (at least I've never had a problem with them and apparently that's what Donald Becker was using for a long time hence the highly optimised drivers) and the Netgear cards are nice and cheap.. Not a bad combo.. BTW incase you dont know the tulip is the DEC 21XXX (plenty of variants and manufacturers) dan. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
As usual, the slug mailing list is an amazing source of information. Thanks everyone for your response. The comments from Ken effectively summarise why I am intending to use the onboard nic (no fan etc). I have an existing firewall box which is performing quite nicely (P166, DFE-530, 3Com 3c905) but generates the normal amount of noise that an AT case with a few fans does. Therefore there is a little resistance (putting it nicely) to the concept of leaving the machine on all the time. I've looked around and found a case that looks small and quiet (Aopen H300 if anyone is interested). Asus make a FlexATX board with the onboard 8139 (and everything else). My idea is to use this with another 8139 as the firewall (floppy, 5400rpm hard drive and no cd or anything else). Hopefully this should be quiet enough to be ignored. And yes, the box will be stupidly over-specced for firewall purposes but it should make a good seti@home machine (watching the heat levels of course). Thanks again all, Nicholas (BTW, using yahoo and the digest makes quoting mail rather difficult). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness |gives peope more desk space. ;) | |They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. | |I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you |get such a size difference. Certainly home |machines benefit from upgradability though. | |I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit |our needs well. I have a thin client box, fanless, that has an onboard 8139. There would be no way to achieve the small size and fanlessness without integrating the NIC. Works fine. As NIC chips have become commodity items, you're going to see more integration. It wasn't so long ago that an addon 16550 serial board costs as much as a NIC now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Mboards have just about everything on board now. Our latest roll out is an i810 and soundMAX (?) onboard with a 530tx card. These machines are about the size of 2 laptops. (not inc 17" obviously) have 1 x lil fdd and 2 x big fdd Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness gives peope more desk space. ;) They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you get such a size difference. Certainly home machines benefit from upgradability though. I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit our needs well. Dean Ken Yap wrote: |Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Yes, but your cable modem is only 10Mbits/Sec, well atleast my CM100 is. Original Message: - From: Marty Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:51:56 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation Also, 486's sometimes have trouble keeping up with a 100Mb card (if you can find an ISA one?), and PCI is not an option. Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Netgear 310 10/100 cards are well supported with the tulip driver. However up until 2.2.18 (and possibly still) you need to reload the kernel module if the cable is pulled out or something. So be sure to have a really solid connection as short inteferences you normally wouldnt notice will cause the card to stop being connected. We use these in our proxy cluster. 311's are supported in 2.4.x under a different driver. Look on daves site. Intel eepro100's are good, no problems here. I run 2 dual p3 servers with 2 per machine (one on the mboard). I know alot of people swear by them. Dlink 530tx rev a's are run with the via-rhine driver. The latest rev of this card (rev c) needs an updated driver which is on dave m's site and included in 2.4.x. Turn *off* APM with these cards as linux cant handle it (thats our conclusion. apm on problems on, apm off problems off. seems logical) 530tx+ are actual realtek 8139 chips, use 8139too. Alot of $40 10/100 are 8139. Probably 99% of them. I have run three of these in a single box with no problems (other than that realteks are cpu using) using the old driver. I have one in the pc im using now. (i have seen skymaster, acer and full on nonamed cards as 8139's) 3com also makes excellent 10/100 nics. I have 2 servers runing 3c509's and i have no complaints. Netgear makes a good vanilla 10/100 card (soho market) and their gigagbit cards work well in linux as well (apm bug though). Dean Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same |machine? |2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth |investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg |of ram g). For the use you envisage RTL8139 is fine, just make sure to get the latest version of the driver as problems have been reported even recently. The 8139 isn't *that* bad a NIC, certainly heaps better than the PCI NE2000s. Donald Becker's main gripe with it is that it requires 8-byte alignment of transmit packets which costs an extra copy in general. I wouldn't use it on a fileserver though. My favourite inexpensive NIC is the MX98715, which is a Tulip clone and sold under the label Skymaster 10/100 here. It's about $20. I haven't seen it incorporated on motherboards though. The Davicom 9102 is another Tulip clone I have seen on one or two integrated mobos. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Here's me fire wall config: Intel 486 DX 2 66, (over powered btw) 32 MB (once again overkill) 2 Intel Ether Express isa Cards 1 Floppy Router, there are many option in this area eg: LRP, FloppFW, FreeSco etc etc. I had a firewall like this for years, it worked well (2.0.33 I think). Then I upgraded it to a P133/64Mb (2.2.16) and the performance improvement was amazing. My users loved me. Lag from external access dropped from an average 8 secs to around 1.5 seconds. The ISP and modem was not changed. Sure, there is some improvement with the kernel, but is that all it was? I haven't had time to test it.. Also, 486's sometimes have trouble keeping up with a 100Mb card (if you can find an ISA one?), and PCI is not an option. Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
quote who="Nicholas Lawrence" 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. Onboard? Run away, run away! I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to pull out a problem. :) I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. Excellent summary. :) The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. That's fixed in Donald Becker's drivers that you can find on scyld.com, only for 2.2 kernels (which you ought to be running on a machine such as this). We run one of these in our web server - no problems so far. The big problem when I installed it was having it on a shared PCI slot. Bad. 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? No, they seem to be okay. 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). It sounds like you're overspeccing your firewall... So, probably not worth it when you can run it acceptably on something (quite a bit) less expensive. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Two words: Japanese technofetishism. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
On Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:39 AM, Dave Fitch [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:15:25PM -0800, Nicholas Lawrence wrote: Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Hi, Firstly is this box to be used only as a firewall, or will it be doing other duties. If It's only going to be you connection to cable and ip masq etc I would even bother spending big bucks on new PIII/Athlon boards, PCI cards, 128 MB ram. Here's me fire wall config: Intel 486 DX 2 66, (over powered btw) 32 MB (once again overkill) 2 Intel Ether Express isa Cards 1 Floppy Router, there are many option in this area eg: LRP, FloppFW, FreeSco etc etc. On to the main question, I've been using DEC 21140 (I think that's the number) W/O any problems at all, These cards are quite affordable (around $50.00 for PCI) and work really well. In case your interested I managed to ftp binary files across two of these cards on a 100 Mb Hub at 4.5 MBytes/sec not bad considering the SCSI disks were UW and rated at 40 Mbits/Sec. Original Message: - From: Nicholas Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:15:25 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation Hi all, /de-lurk I'm putting together a new Linux firewall box for bigpond cable and am having fun trying to decide between two motherboards. Doing the relevant googling and archive searches, I have ended up with two choices: 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. The case I'm going to use requires a half-height NIC which will be another 8139. I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. For background - the addon card would be plugged into the cable modem, the onboard into a 100 switch. I know that the Aopen board would be the better buy but: 1. An additional $100+ 2. The Asus board has a nice connector for a front monitoring panel. Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). Thanks for your help. /re-lurk Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:15:25PM -0800, Nicholas Lawrence wrote: Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Hi all, /de-lurk I'm putting together a new Linux firewall box for bigpond cable and am having fun trying to decide between two motherboards. Doing the relevant googling and archive searches, I have ended up with two choices: 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. The case I'm going to use requires a half-height NIC which will be another 8139. I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. For background - the addon card would be plugged into the cable modem, the onboard into a 100 switch. I know that the Aopen board would be the better buy but: 1. An additional $100+ 2. The Asus board has a nice connector for a front monitoring panel. Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). Thanks for your help. /re-lurk Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware flow control on serial ports
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:42:55PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to disable hardware flow control on the port using minicom to get it going. However, I'm wondering how I would do this without minicom. As far as apt-get clean glasses :) man stty search for crtscts and ixon and ixoff. ixon is to enable/disable flow control on output and ixoff is to enable/disable flow control on input /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Serial-HOWTO.txt.gz man termios if you want to do it in c, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Serial-Programming-HOWTO.txt.gz -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware flow control on serial ports
I'm trying to run a serial port connection between two computers with a three wire crossover cable, just having ground, transmit receive. I need to disable hardware flow control on the port using minicom to get it going. However, I'm wondering how I would do this without minicom. As far as I can tell, there is no option in stty for setting this operation. Perhaps there is something in the ioctl for the serial port, but how do you manipulate this parameter ? Thanks, -- John August A-Bomb May Have Awakened Gigantic Radioactive Monsters, Experts Say Flying Turtles, 200-Foot Months among Rumoured Creatures. The Onion, September 30, 1949. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware Vendors supporting Linux
Received this little note from HP today --- LINUX FOR EXPERIENCED WINDOWS NT ADMINISTRATORS (Brief) This course is designed to prepare experienced Windows NT administrators with hands-on experience for Linux installation and configuration. URL: http://cshpmed.cos.agilent.com/smartfriend/cgi-bin/sfem.pl?EML28545=124709 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
