[SLUG] Linux Instructor Required
Hi We're looking to sub-contract - on an on-going basis - experienced Linux Consultants / Trainers who have been at the coal face and survived. Excellent up to date knowledge of Linux is mandatory. Good presentation skills necessary however enthusiasm for Linux and real-life experience are an absolute pre-requisite. IIT offers independent Linux training and is a Bradford Learning Partner. We are a vendor independent technical training company, established for 10 years, are a Government Endorsed Supplier and ISO:9001 certified. Please email with details. Kind Regards Debbie Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Can I put in my $0.02.2 worth (GST included) ?
Committee, can we just have this moron blocked by the mailing list software,
and get on with our lives, Hmmm ???
He needs to go find his !
Jon
On Thu, 31 May 2001 14:49, Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Thanks for the brave move of 'cc'ing the slug list with my email. Very big
of you. Strange that you insinuate that Linux people are stupid. I did not.
I am merely trying to find a candidate for my client. Yes I will make a
small profit from placing someone with the client, but I am not working for
free. In very dicey marketplace I am merely asked a polite question to see
if anyone knows of a Linux Instructor looking for work in the Sydney area.
There was no need for the comments you made to me in the previous email
before mine, which I notice you weren't brave enough to leave on.
If anyone on the slug list has had their time wasted byt these emails, I
apologise on my part. That was not my intention.
Regards,
Daniel Whomes
AustCorp Recruitment Pty Ltd
Tel: ++61 2 8920 8483
Fax: ++61 2 8920 9559
0414 757 227
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 2:34 PM
To: Daniel Whomes
Cc: Slug List
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Drop the 'God' complex. Those days are gone. In the market today,
candidates
are sometimes, believe it or not, 'happy' that I might be trying my
hardest
to contact them in regards to a new job. I know clients appreciate these
efforts when they are desparate to fill a position. So thanks for the
website, but the comments aren't needed and are childish.
sigh!/rofl
Yes, I am CC'ing your private reply to the Slug list.
Daniel
It has nothing to do with GOD or children. Agencies are NOT welcome on
the Slug list - end of story.
You are basically asking people to pay for receiving advertising from
you. You are advertising to make money for yourself. I object to you
taking money out of my pocket so you can put money in your pocket. Yes,
people have to pay to receive that spam that you sent.
You are right, the days are gone when people meakly accepted work
offered to them. They know the blood, sweat and tears that they have had
to do to build up a competitive set of skills in a changing marketplace
where company loyalty is just a hollow phrase.
I CC'd your private email to the Slug list bcause of your self-righteous
attitude that you have the authority to spam the Slug list whilst
seeking to line your pockets. I know clients appreciate these efforts
when they are desparate to fill a position
A) If someone (not your client) is desperate to find a position, don't
you think they would have already sent you their CV? Although I doubt
that any person on this list will now send you their resume. Linux
skilled people are not stupid.
B) All you have done is call into question your own ethics and the
ethics of AustCorp Recruitment and that is why I have CC'd this to the
Slug list. You can bet your bottom dollar that your client will now
know of your unethical approach. We would like to know if your client
supports this approach because it would call into question their own
ethics.
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WOA Computer Services lan/wan, linux/unix, novell
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Possible FAQ (was: Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor)
This one time, at band camp, Jobst Schmalenbach said: Why? Simple: If this would be allowed the list will be cluttered with it and would defeats the lists purpose (LINUX RELATED TECHNICAL QUESTIONS). Hear hear. Is this policy set in stone in the SLUG FAQ? And if not, why not? Do we have a FAQ? :) Q. Can I post job advertisments to the SLUG list? A. No. This is a Linux Users list. Well, yes, but only in special circumstances. a) You must have earn sufficient respect from the rest of the SLUG community, usually acheived by posting useful answers to questions posed. b) Your job posting *MUST* conform to the following rules: i) Contains the string [JOB] at the start of the subject line. ii) Makes use of the X-Advertisement mail header iii) The entire content of the body follows this pattern: Need job title, see url. iv) Your signature is delimited by the regex /^-- $/ and contains no more than 4 lines of text after the delimiter. Q. Isn't that a bit harsh? A. Nope. If you are hiring, why post here? This is a Linux *users* list, not a recruitment list. There exist other fora for this. You are also more likely to find the person you're looking for by advertising in the right place. Most of the SLUGgers have jobs, if they wanted a new one they'd know where to look. If you think that you want someone explicitly from SLUG, and you're respected enough that you won't be flamed to death, then a simple reference to a URL containing a decent description of the job will be accepted by most people. Bandwidth isn't free, so respect us all (and especially the SLUG machine, who has to mail it out to the hundreds of subscribers) by making your mail as short as possible; interested people will view your URL. Finally, the [JOB] marker is just courtesy, it lets people know what the mail is about, and can be filtered out (or even used to find your post again). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish. And if he can't be bothered to learn to fish and starves to death, that's a good enough outcome for me. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: Possible FAQ (was: Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor)
quote who=Jamie Wilkinson Is this policy set in stone in the SLUG FAQ? And if not, why not? Do we have a FAQ? :) Grr. I tried to avoid this thread. Yes, there's a SLUG FAQ hidden under the horrendously misnamed FAQ button on the SLUG navbar. :) Section 6, What kinds of questions can I ask on the list? is probably the most applicable. I have avoided putting anything specific about jobs in because I think the first paragraph covers it well enough, with Section 7 supporting. Well, if it's Linux-related, it's appropriate. That normally covers a lot of other Free Software or Open Source projects, such as Apache and Perl. I like your sections though, and will see if the committee agrees enough for it to be put into the FAQ. I might edit out some of the heat though. ;) Q. Can I post job advertisments to the SLUG list? [ I'll also fix the Yes, we're working on a search engine for the archives too! comment, given that we now have one... ] - Jeff -- Perl: Making thick Windows admins redundant since 1987. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Hi Folks,
Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2)
who are looking for work in Sydney?
Blunt reply: you are an agency: FO. Your bretheren have been here
before.
Polite reply since this is a linux job; this sort of request can be
posted on http://www.linux.org.au/jobs and don't bother us again.
Don't you think that all the people who were interested would have
already seen it from their subscription to jobnet where is has been
posted numerous times in the past fortnight.?
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Drop the 'God' complex. Those days are gone. In the market today, candidates
are sometimes, believe it or not, 'happy' that I might be trying my hardest
to contact them in regards to a new job. I know clients appreciate these
efforts when they are desparate to fill a position. So thanks for the
website, but the comments aren't needed and are childish.
sigh!/rofl
Yes, I am CC'ing your private reply to the Slug list.
Daniel
It has nothing to do with GOD or children. Agencies are NOT welcome on
the Slug list - end of story.
You are basically asking people to pay for receiving advertising from
you. You are advertising to make money for yourself. I object to you
taking money out of my pocket so you can put money in your pocket. Yes,
people have to pay to receive that spam that you sent.
You are right, the days are gone when people meakly accepted work
offered to them. They know the blood, sweat and tears that they have had
to do to build up a competitive set of skills in a changing marketplace
where company loyalty is just a hollow phrase.
I CC'd your private email to the Slug list bcause of your self-righteous
attitude that you have the authority to spam the Slug list whilst
seeking to line your pockets. I know clients appreciate these efforts
when they are desparate to fill a position
A) If someone (not your client) is desperate to find a position, don't
you think they would have already sent you their CV? Although I doubt
that any person on this list will now send you their resume. Linux
skilled people are not stupid.
B) All you have done is call into question your own ethics and the
ethics of AustCorp Recruitment and that is why I have CC'd this to the
Slug list. You can bet your bottom dollar that your client will now
know of your unethical approach. We would like to know if your client
supports this approach because it would call into question their own
ethics.
--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.woa.com.au
WOA Computer Services lan/wan, linux/unix, novell
People without trees are like fish without clean water
--
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More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Terry,
Thanks for the brave move of 'cc'ing the slug list with my email. Very big
of you. Strange that you insinuate that Linux people are stupid. I did not.
I am merely trying to find a candidate for my client. Yes I will make a
small profit from placing someone with the client, but I am not working for
free. In very dicey marketplace I am merely asked a polite question to see
if anyone knows of a Linux Instructor looking for work in the Sydney area.
There was no need for the comments you made to me in the previous email
before mine, which I notice you weren't brave enough to leave on.
If anyone on the slug list has had their time wasted byt these emails, I
apologise on my part. That was not my intention.
Regards,
Daniel Whomes
AustCorp Recruitment Pty Ltd
Tel: ++61 2 8920 8483
Fax: ++61 2 8920 9559
0414 757 227
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 2:34 PM
To: Daniel Whomes
Cc: Slug List
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Drop the 'God' complex. Those days are gone. In the market today,
candidates
are sometimes, believe it or not, 'happy' that I might be trying my
hardest
to contact them in regards to a new job. I know clients appreciate these
efforts when they are desparate to fill a position. So thanks for the
website, but the comments aren't needed and are childish.
sigh!/rofl
Yes, I am CC'ing your private reply to the Slug list.
Daniel
It has nothing to do with GOD or children. Agencies are NOT welcome on
the Slug list - end of story.
You are basically asking people to pay for receiving advertising from
you. You are advertising to make money for yourself. I object to you
taking money out of my pocket so you can put money in your pocket. Yes,
people have to pay to receive that spam that you sent.
You are right, the days are gone when people meakly accepted work
offered to them. They know the blood, sweat and tears that they have had
to do to build up a competitive set of skills in a changing marketplace
where company loyalty is just a hollow phrase.
I CC'd your private email to the Slug list bcause of your self-righteous
attitude that you have the authority to spam the Slug list whilst
seeking to line your pockets. I know clients appreciate these efforts
when they are desparate to fill a position
A) If someone (not your client) is desperate to find a position, don't
you think they would have already sent you their CV? Although I doubt
that any person on this list will now send you their resume. Linux
skilled people are not stupid.
B) All you have done is call into question your own ethics and the
ethics of AustCorp Recruitment and that is why I have CC'd this to the
Slug list. You can bet your bottom dollar that your client will now
know of your unethical approach. We would like to know if your client
supports this approach because it would call into question their own
ethics.
--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.woa.com.au
WOA Computer Services lan/wan, linux/unix, novell
People without trees are like fish without clean water
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes was once rumoured to have said: Hi Folks, Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2) who are looking for work in Sydney? As a member of the Sydney Linux Users Group Committee, I will reenforce Terry's statement that professional solicitation on this list is generally not welcome. Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. HAND. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:40:03PM +1000, Daniel Whomes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi Folks, Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2) who are looking for work in Sydney? As a list member of this list I can only second what Terry already stated: DO NOT use this list for YOUR advertising. Why? Simple: If this would be allowed the list will be cluttered with it and would defeats the lists purpose (LINUX RELATED TECHNICAL QUESTIONS). So use *OTHER* lists which purpose is job advertising. jobst -- Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites? |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Del wrote:
..snip...
OK so as a member of SLUG I have a problem with this. Although I don't
want to see buckets of spam on the SLUG list, I think that Linux jobs
do belong here, regardless of where they come from.
I've posted job ads here (years ago, non-professional, I was looking for
someone to take over a role I had) and that was met with enthusiasm because
at the time there weren't many Linux jobs out there. Nowadays there are
more of them, so have people become a bit more picky about what jobs do and
do not get placed here?
Basically, the guidelines are; Good sluggers can post jobs that they
seeking to fulfill here. Please include a full description and $. We
have seen a few of these this year and they are welcome.
So your example has no problem and is still the case.. If you work
somewhere and they need a linux person, please let sluggers know.
What we don't want is agencies for various reasons like;
we never get the full picture,
not all the jobs really exist,
not many agency personel know what linux is and find it hard to
separate out an NT job that might touch on linux from a real linux,
they are basically making money out of spamming the slug list,
we would get multiple posts for the same position,
we are the Sydney Linux users group and melbourne, darwin, etc jobs
are not welcome,
etc.
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:41:23PM +1000, Del wrote: Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. I've seen that, but it's rather out of the mind's eye. If someone needs a Linux person in a hurry then I can't see what's wrong with a post here. . Can we perhaps restrict the format ... perhaps make the poster put the ad onto linux.org.au and then just post a 2 liner with the URL here? That would be an excellent idea and a possible compromise. I have placed an ad myself on Linux Aust last year but at the time also mentioned on this list that I was looking for a programmer (and a got a really good SLUG one too). Thats why I would not like to see ads totally banned. They have a place. There are prob many young programmers here that may get their first nibble at some commercial work and get experience by seeing an ad here. So I would support a 2 liner pointing to a URL at Linux Aust or some other place. Mike -- You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. Michael Lake, University of Technology, Sydney Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Home: http://www.speleonics.com.au Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mike Lake wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:41:23PM +1000, Del wrote: Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. I've seen that, but it's rather out of the mind's eye. If someone needs a Linux person in a hurry then I can't see what's wrong with a post here. . Can we perhaps restrict the format ... perhaps make the poster put the ad onto linux.org.au and then just post a 2 liner with the URL here? That would be an excellent idea and a possible compromise. I have placed an ad myself on Linux Aust last year but at the time also mentioned on this list that I was looking for a programmer (and a got a really good SLUG one too). Thats why I would not like to see ads totally banned. They have a place. snip There are prob many young programmers here that may get their first nibble at some commercial work and get experience by seeing an ad here. So I would support a 2 liner pointing to a URL at Linux Aust or some other place. I think that any young programmer looking for their first nibble at commercial work would be clueful enough to subscribe themselves to lists more appropriate for finding these jobs. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Sorry for adding to the thread, but do we really need a dozen people to reply to these to tell them it's not appropriate. Reply via private mail or just ignore it, that way we get spammed once instead of a dozen times. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
