Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Jon Biddell wrote: You should talk to a lawyer and find out whether they are allowed to do that (for now, they'll change their licensing scheme the next time around if too many people refuse ..) etc. or will allow Microsoft or their Authorised Representatives access to such hardware and records as is needed to prove compliance You could give them enough access to hang themselves. Get a declaration, then after everything is finished ask for verification. Leave the machine running, set up a script to create a username of their choosing, with sufficient privileges to verify but not change anything. The script to require: I,..(full name)... of ..(personal address),..(corporate position)... .(Company). .corporate address .contact numbers etc make oath and solemnly declare 1. That I am sufficiently qualified, current and familiar with the linux environment to guarantee that I will not cause any damage or detriment to this system or any connected systems if granted user access. 2. Both I personally and and .(company) indemnify your company for any losses caused as a direct consequence of the users actions and can substantiate. Further we undertake to financially compensate your company for any losses that inadvertently occur. 3. That I am authorised to give such an undertaking on behalf of ... companyname 4. That I read and fully understand the above and if necessary I have consulted with solicitors before signing etc. Dated this 14th day of June, 2001 Signed:(name) .. Witnessed by: (name) Please type ACCEPT and press enter to continue. Declaration prints.. Please confirm your signature and that of the witness have been affixed to the above declaration. do so by typing SIGNED and pressing the enter key. User is created with limited privileges. . Audit plays out. BTW remember the user declaration you signed, we need to verify your LPIC. We are shocked that an AUTHORISED M$ representative would make a false declaration. Is this a part of some M$ plot against the open source community? Maybe not, but its a good plot against M$. Cheers John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:52, David Kempe wrote: They will expect me or my colleague to allow them access to the server room and to have access to all machines - no bloody way. They will not touch !!! And I refuse to remove the boot-up password on my PC !! Hey just out of interest on what basis where they going to do this audit? What gives them the right to dig though your premises? Just wondering for my own good :) Under the terms of the company's SELECT agreement, we have to furnish (on demand) licencing details or allow an audit to be done AT THEIR EXPENSE. Given that they have this 60 day amnesty on now against pirates, not that we have anything unlicenced, it's probably less agro for the suits to do it that way. -- - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Heard today that in about 6 weeks, after I return from leave, Microsoft or their paid minions are comming in to do a software audit. Or, rather, a licencing audit. Who are you working for? I didnt expect that Big Brother is watching you (not the telly series) is already here Nope - I'm the Network manager for a large-ish insurance company in Sydney. They will expect me or my colleague to allow them access to the server room and to have access to all machines - no bloody way. They will not touch !!! And I refuse to remove the boot-up password on my PC !! You should talk to a lawyer and find out whether they are allowed to do that (for now, they'll change their licensing scheme the next time around if too many people refuse ..) Probably a good point - however, after reading the EULA for Windows, as well as our SELECT agreement, they have that right - I don't know the exact details offhand, but it's something like ... will furnish licencing details, etc. or will allow Microsoft or their Authorised Representatives access to such hardware and records as is needed to prove compliance New York signed the agreement, not me...:-) What I plan to do is to have my Linux posters up, my Windows Free Zone crime-scene tape on the workstation, and the work PC booting off a SuSE Live CD (so I don't have to screw up even more an already knackered and feeble Windows 2000 workstation). It will make them feel better cause they know that you are afraid. No, it will show them that people aren't afraid to tell Microsoft to go to hell. -- - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
DaZZa wrote: snip Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? Some say coming down out of the trees was a big mistake. And there are those who say we should never have come out of the sea in the first place Happy swimming Dazza Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
- Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - Attribute quotes whenever possible -- esp. when you snarf them from me :) No, your mentioned Windows NT by name - mine is more generic. Anyway, Let's Piss Microsoft Off Time... Heard today that in about 6 weeks, after I return from leave, Microsoft or their paid minions are comming in to do a software audit. Or, rather, a licencing audit. They will expect me or my colleague to allow them access to the server room and to have access to all machines - no bloody way. They will not touch !!! And I refuse to remove the boot-up password on my PC !! What I plan to do is to have my Linux posters up, my Windows Free Zone crime-scene tape on the workstation, and the work PC booting off a SuSE Live CD (so I don't have to screw up even more an already knackered and feeble Windows 2000 workstation). Should be good for a few laughs...:-) Any other suggestions ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Heracles wrote: DaZZa wrote: snip Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? Some say coming down out of the trees was a big mistake. And there are those who say we should never have come out of the sea in the first place Happy swimming Dazza I think that this is probably a little bit harsh. Command line interface provides a very powerful interface. I don't think you should confuse ease of use with overall power provide. It is a lot quiker for me to hit a few keys than move my mouse all over the place. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: What I plan to do is to have my Linux posters up, my Windows Free Zone crime-scene tape on the workstation, and the work PC booting off a SuSE Live CD (so I don't have to screw up even more an already knackered and feeble Windows 2000 workstation). Should be good for a few laughs...:-) Any other suggestions ? When they ask to look at what software you have around the place, replace the CDROMS in the windoze packaging with Linux CDs ;) BTW, I actually don't think they're legally entitled to enter your premises at all - they're not the police and they do not have a search warrant. Where does it stipulate in their contract with your company that they may legally enter your premises for a software audit? You can legally refuse entry to any person you desire AFAIK, although IANAL ;) rachel -- Rachel PolanskisOptus/Excite@Home UNIX Administrator 100 Harris Street IT Operations Pyrmont, Sydney NSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph: (+61 2) 900 51144 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:38:12PM +1000, Jon Biddell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] Heard today that in about 6 weeks, after I return from leave, Microsoft or their paid minions are comming in to do a software audit. Or, rather, a licencing audit. Who are you working for? I didnt expect that Big Brother is watching you (not the telly series) is already here They will expect me or my colleague to allow them access to the server room and to have access to all machines - no bloody way. They will not touch !!! And I refuse to remove the boot-up password on my PC !! You should talk to a lawyer and find out whether they are allowed to do that (for now, they'll change their licensing scheme the next time around if too many people refuse ..) What I plan to do is to have my Linux posters up, my Windows Free Zone crime-scene tape on the workstation, and the work PC booting off a SuSE Live CD (so I don't have to screw up even more an already knackered and feeble Windows 2000 workstation). It will make them feel better cause they know that you are afraid. jhs -- f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng. [Anon] |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:15:29PM +1000, Heracles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: DaZZa wrote: snip Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? Some say coming down out of the trees was a big mistake. And there are those who say we should never have come out of the sea in the first place Happy swimming Dazza Thats rude. DaZZa has his opinion and so do you. I can *AND* cant at the same time undesrstand what his argument is. If Linux is continuing in the same way as it is in the moment there is a danger that we end up like Windoze. On the other hand GUI;s do provide some nice features. I love sed,grep, perl,ngrep,tcsh,pipes, redirection,history and so may more fetures that are given by the commandline but yet ksysv saves me a lot of time changing the boot setup . jobst -- A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 09:33:21AM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: [snip] Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? You give a valid point here, all this thrive to more is not that good, especially when you see the new version of office .. Some people, however, do not have your capabilites and never will so they need the easy GUI interface. However, IMHO what the writers of todays OS's dont see, making the OS's fixable/changeable/installable by Mr. and Mrs. Smith will in the long run, fail. And you know what? Microsoft is already realizing that and making LOADS of money because of that, all this update via Internet and upgrade schemes are based upon that. :-) dito. That's ditto. Thats correct, it did save one byte not being send, though :-))) DaZZa - anarchist! If you would be one you would be in Redmond with a nuclear bomb strapped around your chest waiting for Billy to arrive to press that button! jhs -- My Dogma got run over by my Karma. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote:
Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more
and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop
support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to
make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to
recognise a command line when they see it?
You give a valid point here, all this thrive to more is not that good,
especially when you see the new version of office ..
Some people, however, do not have your capabilites and never will so
they need the easy GUI interface.
Exactly. I specifically used the word forced in my statement because I
was protesting claims that I shouldn't be using anything but a GUI based
web browser.
My choice. I choose not to use a GUI web browser unless there's some
pretty pictures I want to see.
DaZZa - anarchist!
If you would be one you would be in Redmond with a nuclear bomb strapped
around your chest waiting for Billy to arrive to press that button!
OK, so I'm a cyber-anarchist - I DoS his servers until they die {not
difficult with WindoZe servers}. :-)
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: Not part of HTML 1.0 AFAIK, which is all my version of lynx supports. I have to say (without wanting to start a Frame War) that frames greatly reduce the amount of traffic generated. If you have three frames: * main menu * sub menu * document then when selecting a link only the document needs to be updated, speeding up loading and decreasing the traffic generated. Fantastic. Couldn't agree more. Now explain in words of two syllables or less how the ^%$ you render frames on a _text_ screen with a _fixed_ character set? :-) DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Andre Pang wrote: Now explain in words of two syllables or less how the ^%$ you render frames on a _text_ screen with a _fixed_ character set? 1. try: links. 2. apt-get install links fred:~ # apt-get install links bash: apt-get: command not found fred:~ # Careful, your Debian bias is showing. links is _superb_. that's all i have to say. Freshmeat is your friend. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Jeff Waugh wrote:
It's a heads up from a SLUGger about a job that may assist one of our
friends to find employment using Linux and Free Software.
If the list wants any slugger to post any job, then they should say it.
I only offered my 2c.
The conspiracy theories are getting tiresome, and it's more important that
we help each other than rant about probables.
Sorry, Jeff. I didn't know that you actually contracted through
agencies. I've only been doing contracting for five years this time, so
perhaps I don't share the depth of communication that you do with your
agencies. It is just that in discussion with long term staff at my main
agencies, all of whom have been in business from when I first contracted
15 years ago, admit that this advertising for resumes does go on and
being asked to fill non-existant jobs by companies can be up to 50% of
the jobs that they advertise. They find it as tiresome as I do. At least
by having a slugger personally vouch that the job exists, this saved
other sluggers a lot of wasted effort.
I'll totally butt out of helping people find work on the Slug list now.
You are obviously keen to take over the roll. Thank you.
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Links [was Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement]
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, DaZZa wrote: Anyone know a mirror/new location for this? Try http://links.browser.org which is actually a redirect to http://artax.kerlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikules/links/. And indeed, Links does rock. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
TANSTAAFL. :-) Let's see how many get THIS one ..:-) \ -- - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) - Fear leads to consultants, consultants lead to NT, NT leads to suffering DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Fear leads to consultants, consultants lead to NT, NT leads to suffering I'm going to have to bite on this one.. consultants should be defined further - clueless consultants perhaps.. :) //umar (consultant who breaks out in hives when M$ products are mentioned) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: TANSTAAFL. :-) Let's see how many get THIS one ..:-) You mean there are people out there who haven't read Heinlein? Shame on them all. :-) But it is actually of course a reference to the well known German company... http://www.tanstaafl.de. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, DaZZa wrote: links is _superb_. that's all i have to say. Freshmeat is your friend. Except when the listed homepage no longer exists. http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ Google is your friend. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
quote who=Terry Collins Sorry, Jeff. I didn't know that you actually contracted through agencies. An idiotic, innaccurate retort on your part. I'll totally butt out of helping people find work on the Slug list now. You are obviously keen to take over the roll. Thank you. I'd be quite happy for you to help people find work on the SLUG list, but I'm personally (ie. not representing the committee) getting bored with your *lack* of help, and ranting on the subject. If there's work around, and it's worth sharing amongst our little community, there's no harm done. *This* is precisely why there hasn't been a specific section on jobs on the website: keeping on topic is a good enough rule to satisfy most of us. [ Extra things like putting JOB in the title are simply considerate. ] - Jeff -- On Tuesday I saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with Zack and two ladies whom I presume are gracious. - Seth Schoen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Web pages and bandwidth (was: Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement)
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 03:37:25PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: [ It is better to save precious bandwidth by designing pages better, using less images, and gzipping the data if the client supports it. Breaking the UI is no excuse for ill-conceived design. ] Or wait for rproxy to become widely used -- http over rsync! http://rproxy.samba.org/ There was a talk on this at LCA given by Martin Pool. Very nifty looking. -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, enterfornone wrote: Freshmeat is your friend. Except when the listed homepage no longer exists. http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ Google is your friend. I didn't need help finding that - I couldn't connect to it. The name didn't resolv. Never mind. I found a mirror and got it sorted. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 05:48:26PM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: Not part of HTML 1.0 AFAIK, which is all my version of lynx supports. I have to say (without wanting to start a Frame War) that frames greatly reduce the amount of traffic generated. If you have three frames: * main menu * sub menu * document then when selecting a link only the document needs to be updated, speeding up loading and decreasing the traffic generated. Fantastic. Couldn't agree more. Now explain in words of two syllables or less how the ^%$ you render frames on a _text_ screen with a _fixed_ character set? Couldnt resist. X Windows has been around for a while (and GUI's too). Lets move on from fixed chars text screens, shall we? :-) dito. jhs -- Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: then when selecting a link only the document needs to be updated, speeding up loading and decreasing the traffic generated. Fantastic. Couldn't agree more. Now explain in words of two syllables or less how the ^%$ you render frames on a _text_ screen with a _fixed_ character set? Couldnt resist. X Windows has been around for a while (and GUI's too). And your point is? Lets move on from fixed chars text screens, shall we? Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? :-) dito. That's ditto. :-) DaZZa - anarchist! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 09:42:31AM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] The info is in the ad. Note that seek.com.au requires frames, so viewing it through lynx won't work - which sucks a bit, but such is life. Arent frames part of the HTML standard? Yup. HTML 4.0. And yes, Virginia, Lynx works with frames. You actually have to select the frame you wish to view, that's all. Frames aren't evil ,just bloody inconvenient (and I avoid coding them at all costs :) _ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited This food contains absolutely no DNA - American food product label -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
frames (was: Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement)
This one time, at band camp, Jobst Schmalenbach said: On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 09:42:31AM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] The info is in the ad. Note that seek.com.au requires frames, so viewing it through lynx won't work - which sucks a bit, but such is life. Arent frames part of the HTML standard? Just because they're part of a standard doesn't mean they don't SUCK. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Balial This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: frames (was: Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement)
quote who=Jamie Wilkinson Arent frames part of the HTML standard? Just because they're part of a standard doesn't mean they don't SUCK. Nor does it mean they won't be taken out. Forcibly. Hurrah! [ We are the Space Robots. We are here to protect you from the Terrible Secret of Frames. ] - Jeff -- They cosset us with trappings to shut us up. That way when we say 'sharecropper!' you can point to my free suit and say 'Shut up pop star.' - Courtney Love -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell said: TANSTAAFL. :-) Let's see how many get THIS one ..:-) There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. - Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to using Microsoft products for mission-critical applications (What Yoda really meant to say) -- Devin L. Ganger in the Scary Devil Monastery - Attribute quotes whenever possible -- esp. when you snarf them from me :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Balial This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
DaZZa wrote:
It's specifically a Linux job, and the money offered isn't _too_ bad.
Anyone who wants to bitch about it can bite me - flames will go to
/dev/null. That includes you, Terry.
Well, I'm posting the reasons why I think it is inappropriate for
posting to Slug.
1 - It doesn't come from a Slugger. What has Parker Bridge ever done for
Slug?
2 - We can not be certain the the job really exists
Agencies often post non-existant jobs to collect resumes or oter
reasons.
This advert could be being used to cut someone's salary/conditions -
employee asks for raise - boss asks agency to find if soneone will take
position at lower wage - someone expresses interest - agency says
plenty of people for that position. Boss says tough, no raise and we
cut conditions. Agencies admit that this is a regular occurrence.
3 - If you received it in a daily bundle, then just tell people how to
subscribe to that daily bundle and those who are not interested in
jobs do not have to receive it.
You know that saying; give someone fish and you create dependancy. Show
them how to fish and you give them food for life. Well teaching people
how to fish is the Linux way.
4. - We would be inundated with job postings. Jobnet has over 10
permanent Linux positions and at least one contract linux position
today. We don't want that sort of stuff posted all the time
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Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 09:42:31AM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] The info is in the ad. Note that seek.com.au requires frames, so viewing it through lynx won't work - which sucks a bit, but such is life. Arent frames part of the HTML standard? jhs -- Be gentle with the earth. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:41:36AM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: [snip] Not part of HTML 1.0 AFAIK, which is all my version of lynx supports. I have to say (without wanting to start a Frame War) that frames greatly reduce the amount of traffic generated. If you have three frames: * main menu * sub menu * document then when selecting a link only the document needs to be updated, speeding up loading and decreasing the traffic generated. jhs -- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
I have to say (without wanting to start a Frame War) that frames greatly reduce the amount of traffic generated. If you have three frames: * main menu * sub menu * document then when selecting a link only the document needs to be updated, speeding up loading and decreasing the traffic generated. HTML really needs an include tag (that is parsed on the client side, so static include files can be cached). That way you could have the benifits of frames without it looking butt ugly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
Not part of HTML 1.0 AFAIK, AFAIK sounds slightly rude ;) What is it? As always, with anything Linux, YMMV. Yes Mum, More Vanilla? Someone help me out here? Thanks! (TFTAH). Also, IRAYH, and TARAIJMTU. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
AFAIK sounds slightly rude ;) What is it? as far as i know As always, with anything Linux, YMMV. your mileage may vary Thanks! (TFTAH). Also, IRAYH, and TARAIJMTU. ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:26:59PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not part of HTML 1.0 AFAIK, AFAIK sounds slightly rude ;) What is it? As always, with anything Linux, YMMV. Yes Mum, More Vanilla? Someone help me out here? either http://www.acronymfinder.com/ or google.com and search for it. jhs -- The future isn't what it used to be (it never was). |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
