Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
G'day Oscar, Have you grown too technical and too old to have a sense of humour anymore? You've nothing to say constructive, so don't say it here. The words themselves were said with a smile and tounge-in-cheek. :) I think I did have something constructive to say - having a sense of humour and being able to relate to a sense of humour is an important part of our profession that is often lacking. (It challenges me when I get the grumps with some upstart on a mailing list!) ;) :) (As an exercise, try smiling and listening to your boss - hard as it may be sometimes doing so will often mean he'll listen to you that time when you think you need another Linux server.) Anyway the point is that Paul J Fenwick and Jacinta Richardson make /significant/ /unpaid/ and /voluntary/ contributions to the Open Source community. (Really, you should follow their movements if you don't believe me!) Paul's presentation was, as per usual, excellent. AFAIR, it is also a shorter version of the talk he is giving at the Open Source conference later this year. It's a pity you weren't there to see it. Raphael. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Raphael Kraus wrote: I think I did have something constructive to say - having a sense of humour and being able to relate to a sense of humour is an important part of our profession that is often lacking. snip Anyway the point is that Paul J Fenwick and Jacinta Richardson make I missed Paul's mind control talk but I was at his previous making money from open source talk. Paul's talk was entertaining, informative and funny. He has a sense of humor and from private emails with Jacinta, I can tell she does too. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. - Douglas Adams in Guardian, 25-Aug-95 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Raphael Kraus wrote: G'day Oscar, Have you grown too technical and too old to have a sense of humour anymore? You've nothing to say constructive, so don't say it here. The words themselves were said with a smile and tounge-in-cheek. :) You have a bile sense of humour. -- O Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/tutor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
G'day... The words themselves were said with a smile and tounge-in-cheek. :) You have a bile sense of humour. Green and dripping... yeah probably... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Oscar, Have you grown too technical and too old to have a sense of humour anymore? Lighten up - the talk is obviously on conference presentation. Rafael Kraus Software Developer Wild Internet Telecom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02 8306 0088 Technical Support 02 8306 0077 Sales | 02 8306 0099 Fax 02 8306 0055 Administration 1300 13 WILD (9453) National | 1300 13 WILD (9453) Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O Plameras Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2005 10:42 AM To: Jacinta Richardson Cc: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005 Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Just a friendly comment to say the use of Mind Control and make ... people think ...your talk... is better than ... it is are words that do not sync well with technical people and are hardly acceptable as modes of conduct or behaviour to many technical persons. That's probably why some people are so emphatic in their comments. In my view, it is impossible to achieve high technical discipline and honesty when entertaining the use of Mind Control and espousing the philosophy of let's get people to think my product or service is better than it actually is'. It strikes at the heart of one's honesty, credibility, and reliability. Just the same I intend to be present in this afternoon's presentation to find out for myself. If you've check this page you'll know one of the many reasons as to what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control The intention of this post is to clarify why it is so controversial and generates a lot of heat. Don't mean to offend anyone. O Plameras Conference Presentation Mind Control At the heart of any good conference are its presenters. To learn new skills and discover new ideas are what conferences are all about -- at least that's what you tell your boss when you apply for funding. Presenting is a rewarding, and often prestigious activity, but some speakers seem to do it better than others. Paul Fenwick shares his experiences of almost a decade of teaching and public speaking. Discover how to keep your audience's attention, how to improve your presentation techniques, and how to use mind control to get others to do your bidding. Details === When: 6:30pm, 21st September 2005 Where: James Squires Brewhouse 2 The Promenade, King St Wharf Sydney Fee: $0.00 This event is hosted by the Sydney Perl Mongers. Also presenting will be Andrew Savige discussion Damian Conway's newest book: Perl Best Practices. Everyone is welcome. All the best, Jacinta -- O Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/tutor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Wild Technology Pty Ltd , ABN 98 091 470 692 Sales - Ground Floor, 265/8 Lachlan Street, Waterloo NSW 2017 Admin - Level 4 Tiara, 306/9 Crystal Street, Waterloo NSW 2017 Telephone 1300-13-9453 | Facsimile 1300-88-9453 http://www.wildtechnology.net DISCLAIMER CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message and any attachments may be confidential information and may also be the subject of client legal - legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. This email and any attachments are also subject to copyright. No part of them may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the copyright owner. If you have received this email in error, please immediately advise the sender by return email and delete the message from your system. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. And here I was thinking that enough bile would be produced in Jacinta's own liver. Rafael Kraus Software Developer Wild Internet Telecom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02 8306 0088 Technical Support 02 8306 0077 Sales | 02 8306 0099 Fax 02 8306 0055 Administration 1300 13 WILD (9453) National | 1300 13 WILD (9453) Fax Wild Technology Pty Ltd , ABN 98 091 470 692 Sales - Ground Floor, 265/8 Lachlan Street, Waterloo NSW 2017 Admin - Level 4 Tiara, 306/9 Crystal Street, Waterloo NSW 2017 Telephone 1300-13-9453 | Facsimile 1300-88-9453 http://www.wildtechnology.net DISCLAIMER CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message and any attachments may be confidential information and may also be the subject of client legal - legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. This email and any attachments are also subject to copyright. No part of them may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the copyright owner. If you have received this email in error, please immediately advise the sender by return email and delete the message from your system. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Michael Kraus wrote: Oscar, Have you grown too technical and too old to have a sense of humour anymore? You've nothing to say constructive, so don't say it here. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 05:59:10PM +1000, Michael Kraus wrote: Lighten up - the talk is obviously on conference presentation. Of course, that's just what YOU would LIKE us TO believe! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:03:23AM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Hi Jacinta, thanks for arranging this talk and for inviting SLUGgers; it was a very interesting presentation and it was good to meet some of the local Perl geeks. Paul is a geek, and his presentation was for geeks. It had enough random diagrams of brain parts and lego to entertain all the big and little kids in the room. It was as much about how to clearly explain technical concepts as about how to keep people's attention. It certainly wasn't about how to make sales pitches, motivate or otherwise deceive people. Afterwards (as was mentioned in the announcement) there was a technical talk about best practices for Perl programming. After that we all chatted over some games of pool, and lots of exchanging of contact details between the Perl and SLUG crowds went on. It was a good opportunity for like-minded geeks from different groups to meet up. cheers, Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
QuantumG wrote: Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? In this case you're a perfect example of where better communication would help. You're asking a question about the need for this talk, but you'd normally hit my not worth responding to filter. The focus of this talk is about conference, user group and other similar presentations. Most of us have been to presentations which cover very interesting topics but do so in such a way that it's a struggle to stay awake and pay attention. It's very easy to create a bad presentation and it's even easier to take a reasonable presentation and present it poorly. Jiggling the mouse pointer over the slide detracts from your message as we are instinctively drawn to watch movement. Shaking coins or keys in your pocket is annoying. Speaking in a monotone or just repeating the words on your slides is a great way to bore people. When you're presenting to a group, you want them to stay awake, pay attention and hopefully retain some of the information you give them. This talk isn't motivational speaking crap - it won't tell you how to motivate people, or even cover the tips I've suggested above. There are too many better resources for that kind of thing. It isn't about making presentations to the masses either, these tips should help with both technical and non-technical talks. It's about making *your* presentation stand out in the minds of your audience as the best that was presented. It's about keeping your audience awake and interested (even if you don't have much to say). It's about making your audience remember at least some of the content of your talk. And above all that it's entertainment. If you're unlikely to ever present at a conference, user group or work meeting then the content of this talk isn't aimed at you. Hopefully you'll still find the talk amusing. All the best, Jacinta -- (`-''-/).___..--''`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia| (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001| _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jacinta Richardson wrote: In this case you're a perfect example of where better communication would help. You're asking a question about the need for this talk, but you'd normally hit my not worth responding to filter. Pot, kettle black. Your post actually failed the page down test here. It might be best if you just stuck to advertising your Perl courses and nothing else on the Slug list. They at least have some relevance. Slug chat is the place for everything else. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
quote who=Terry Collins Jacinta Richardson wrote: In this case you're a perfect example of where better communication would help. You're asking a question about the need for this talk, but you'd normally hit my not worth responding to filter. Pot, kettle black. Your post actually failed the page down test here. It might be best if you just stuck to advertising your Perl courses and nothing else on the Slug list. They at least have some relevance. Slug chat is the place for everything else. Hold on. It's not like this is an advertisement for Random Shiny Teeth Joe's Motivational Speaking for Refridgeration Mechanics - at the CHEAP DON'T SEND ANY MONEY WE'LL BILL YOU CHEAP price of $57,000. This is an invitation to have beers and steak at the JSBH, and see a free talk by a community member about how to give rad presentations (certainly not an irrelevant topic in this community). Not vastly different from the recent GNOME release party, held at JSBH, announced on SLUG. So why throw your bile at Jacinta? Not fair, and not what I'd expect from SLUG. Jacinta - sorry about the whiners. I enjoyed your announce email, and it sounds like it will be a fun night. Thanks. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ Is Murphy's Law constitutional? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 18:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Jacinta - sorry about the whiners. I enjoyed your announce email, and it sounds like it will be a fun night. Thanks. I am with you. If I can extricate myself from work, I will be there to. -- Ken Foskey FOSS developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jeff Waugh wrote: This is an invitation to have beers and steak at the JSBH, and see a free talk by a community member about how to give rad presentations (certainly not an irrelevant topic in this community). Not vastly different from the recent GNOME release party, held at JSBH, announced on SLUG. So why throw your bile at Jacinta? Not fair, and not what I'd expect from SLUG. 1) Don't we regularly have these sessions where it is pointed out that good intentions do not excuse posting what is basically off topic to SLUG. 2) Each of us has our own opinions about the extras that could be posted. Experience has shown that it is best not to post what you think is good for everyone. 3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Terry Collins wrote: 3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. I don't think Jacinta chose the name of the talk. I think Jeff is more deserving of bile, pile it on him. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
quote who=Terry Collins 1) Don't we regularly have these sessions where it is pointed out that good intentions do not excuse posting what is basically off topic to SLUG. Was the announcement of a community gathering to celebrate the release of GNOME off-topic? Should the announcement of a community gathering to talk about good presentation skills be regarded off-topic? Perhaps you thought Jacinta was trying to sell something, and that tweaked your off-topic meter. 2) Each of us has our own opinions about the extras that could be posted. Experience has shown that it is best not to post what you think is good for everyone. 3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. I think it's pretty abysmal that someone contributing time and fun to the community would get this kind of response. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive. - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
It might be best if you just stuck to advertising your Perl courses and nothing else on the Slug list. I won't mind to attend some Remote Desktop Mind Control Presentation though - not the illegal hacking kind, but the kind belongs to the preamble strike against the bad guys and stupid ones ... if you know what I mean *wink wink* (nudge nudge). -yiz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:00:46PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: 2) Each of us has our own opinions about the extras that could be posted. Experience has shown that it is best not to post what you think is good for everyone. 3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. Isn't bile off-topic? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Just a friendly comment to say the use of Mind Control and make ... people think ...your talk... is better than ... it is are words that do not sync well with technical people and are hardly acceptable as modes of conduct or behaviour to many technical persons. That's probably why some people are so emphatic in their comments. In my view, it is impossible to achieve high technical discipline and honesty when entertaining the use of Mind Control and espousing the philosophy of let's get people to think my product or service is better than it actually is'. It strikes at the heart of one's honesty, credibility, and reliability. Just the same I intend to be present in this afternoon's presentation to find out for myself. If you've check this page you'll know one of the many reasons as to what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control The intention of this post is to clarify why it is so controversial and generates a lot of heat. Don't mean to offend anyone. O Plameras Conference Presentation Mind Control At the heart of any good conference are its presenters. To learn new skills and discover new ideas are what conferences are all about -- at least that's what you tell your boss when you apply for funding. Presenting is a rewarding, and often prestigious activity, but some speakers seem to do it better than others. Paul Fenwick shares his experiences of almost a decade of teaching and public speaking. Discover how to keep your audience's attention, how to improve your presentation techniques, and how to use mind control to get others to do your bidding. Details === When: 6:30pm, 21st September 2005 Where: James Squires Brewhouse 2 The Promenade, King St Wharf Sydney Fee: $0.00 This event is hosted by the Sydney Perl Mongers. Also presenting will be Andrew Savige discussion Damian Conway's newest book: Perl Best Practices. Everyone is welcome. All the best, Jacinta -- O Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/tutor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
quote who=O Plameras Just a friendly comment to say the use of Mind Control and make ... people think ...your talk... is better than ... it is are words that do not sync well with technical people and are hardly acceptable as modes of conduct or behaviour to many technical persons. Because the words 'world domination' were never uttered! - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go. - Cody Russell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Conference Presentation Mind Control At the heart of any good conference are its presenters. To learn new skills and discover new ideas are what conferences are all about -- at least that's what you tell your boss when you apply for funding. Presenting is a rewarding, and often prestigious activity, but some speakers seem to do it better than others. Paul Fenwick shares his experiences of almost a decade of teaching and public speaking. Discover how to keep your audience's attention, how to improve your presentation techniques, and how to use mind control to get others to do your bidding. Details === When: 6:30pm, 21st September 2005 Where: James Squires Brewhouse 2 The Promenade, King St Wharf Sydney Fee: $0.00 This event is hosted by the Sydney Perl Mongers. Also presenting will be Andrew Savige discussion Damian Conway's newest book: Perl Best Practices. Everyone is welcome. All the best, Jacinta -- (`-''-/).___..--''`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia| (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001| _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Trent Nice work with the constructive criticism there, Trent. Try thinking outside the box, or more to the point, the cubicle. Geeks sometimes have to communicate with non-geeks, often the people paying them. Sometimes geeks need to talk people into buying into an idea in the first place. To do that, they need to present the idea. The better they can present it, the more likely that the idea will be bought. Does it make sense now? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it make sense now? Mindless masses, got ya. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
QuantumG wrote: Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? I talk to plenty of geeks who have something worthwhile to say, but can't make the words make sense. Its not motivational speaking, its effective communication. Entirely different. Geeks are just people, people listen to effective communicators, regardless of the worth of their speech. dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
David Kempe wrote: I talk to plenty of geeks who have something worthwhile to say, but can't make the words make sense. Its not motivational speaking, its effective communication. Entirely different. Geeks are just people, people listen to effective communicators, regardless of the worth of their speech. And rather than call the workshop Effective Communication For Geeks they call it Conference Presentation Mind Control.. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
quote who=QuantumG Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Have you ever kissed a girl? - Jeff -- Ubuntu USA Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005http://wiki.ubuntu.com/3BT http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:22:41PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Have you ever kissed a girl? :) http://cryptnet.net/mirrors/texts/kissedagirl.html -- Mark -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jeff Waugh wrote: Have you ever kissed a girl? You're a disgrace. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
QuantumG wrote: Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Whilst working with my previous employers, I learned two types of presentations, namely: 1. Market driven presentations - presentations that make customers feel good about a product or products. 2. Technology driven presentations - those that focus in describing the product in a technical sense, what it can do, where to go and get help, and perhaps, how it can benefit a customer. No 1. are for sales persons or people whose job is to make money for the company. No. 2 are for Systems Engineers or people whose task is making the product work efficiently and reliabley. Maybe, just maybe, the presentation to be made is in category No. 1 but the title is worded inappropriately considering that the composition of the audience(perl mongers) is leaning towards the technical. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
