Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Martin Visser wrote:

When I have had my notebooks repaired I have actually sent them
without the hard-disk.

I mainly do that on the basis of the fact that 1. I need access to my
data 2. I don't want to give the repairer that same access.

Of course this isn't quite as easy with the flash based system. ( I
know the Asus EEE 901 16GB SSD is removable, but I think the 4GB
system drive is not user removable).




Good point, I would also have concerns too about leaving my data around.

However, the problem I encountered was before I started actually using the 
computer. And the system wouldn't boot up at all, I was new to Linux, so I was 
in a bit of a panic. Life is sweet before there is any risk to your data - you 
can reinstall operating systems to your heart's content.


Which ofcourse brings us to the Google Aps/Netbook (and for us oldies the 
Terminal) model - where your data is safely on a server somewhere and all you 
need is a browser.


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Morgan Storey wrote:
I guess you have to know how to talk to them, a lot of the time they 
will say they don't support Linux/BSD/BeOS etc, that is when you talk 
their language, saying you know it is a hardware issue via running their 
tools, and having a report from those tools showing the error usually 
seals the deal, at worst you swap the harddrive back to their 
windows/cutdown linux install and send it back for them to see it is not 
the os.


This approach is not going to work if we want to get Linux into the mainstream
as a business tool not  a hobby/toy. I believe that an eeePC running Linux
(or maybe even a Lenova or other brand running a distro of linux) could have 
been
a strong contender for the NSW Schools Tender - if we move away from the hobby
idea - this is why I thought the vendor offering to install and presumeably 
support
various versions of linux was interesting.



and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the 
Asus Eee PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.










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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Martin Visser]

When I have had my notebooks repaired I have actually sent them
without the hard-disk.

I mainly do that on the basis of the fact that 1. I need access to my
data 2. I don't want to give the repairer that same access.

Of course this isn't quite as easy with the flash based system. ( I
know the Asus EEE 901 16GB SSD is removable, but I think the 4GB
system drive is not user removable).

Regards, Martin

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Ken Wilson]

EEPC900 fixed on warranty by manufacturer after Zandros wiped and ubuntu 
installed.

Ken

Morgan Storey wrote:

I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
voided by simply installing a different operating system. They will probably
not offer support, but so be it. My wife got warranty fixes on her IBM t43
and EEPC 901 both had been changed to Ubuntu. I got warranty support on an
MSI I owned even though I bought it with no OS. If the OS directly caused
damage to the hardware then the Manufacturer could claim it wasn't their
fault and void the warranty, but manufacturers barely know if the hardware
they supplied was faulty let alone what caused it.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marghanita da Cruz 
wrote:



Martin Barry wrote:


I meant to reply to this earlier but must have deleted Margharita's email,
so sorry about the threading breakage but...

 From: Marghanita da Cruz 

and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the
Asus Eee PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.




This is a nice offer but not only are you still paying the Microsoft tax
you
are also paying for the Linux install.

Might be good for someone new to Linux but I can't see many SLUGers taking
them up on it...

 I think you missed my reference to Xandros - the Linux Distro that

ASUS/eeePC
uses. While I haven't checked this mob out, I was speculating that they may
be
able to supply the  Linux version of the Eee PC S101.

Yes, I have noted the discussion on SLUG about installing various Distros
on
the 701 - which shipped with Xandros Linux. However, I thought it was
interesting
that this mob were offering such a service.

Using Linux should not require you to install it. Also the enquiries have
been
about suppliers of Linux Netbooks and Laptops - presumeably I am not the
only
one looking for a hardware manufacturer shipping a box running linux.
Changing
the operating system complicates warranties. I would like to be able to
recommend Linux boxes to clients - but can't if the manufacturers warranty
is
affected.

It would appear you get more for your buck if you go with the Linux option.


I'm awaiting response from Asus on pricing and U.S. availability for the
Eee PC S101. I will update this post with that information as soon as I get
it. Until then, I will say that it's been widely reported that the S101 will
be priced as follows:

Windows XP, 16GB SSD: $699
Linux, 32GB SSD: $699
Linux, 64GB SSD: $799

Update: Asus confirmed the above pricing, but it will not sell the two
Linux-based models in the U.S. The Windows-based S101 will hit the U.S. on
November 1 and will feature a 16GB solid-state drive and a 16GB SD card,
plus 20GB of online storage.






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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Morgan Storey]

I guess you have to know how to talk to them, a lot of the time they will
say they don't support Linux/BSD/BeOS etc, that is when you talk their
language, saying you know it is a hardware issue via running their tools,
and having a report from those tools showing the error usually seals the
deal, at worst you swap the harddrive back to their windows/cutdown linux
install and send it back for them to see it is not the os.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Marghanita da Cruz  wrote:

> Morgan Storey wrote:
>
>> what about the one in Ubuntu 104535...
>> Beside the point no vendor is going to know about minor bugs that may kill
>> their hardware.
>>
>
> But they are likely to attribute any fault to the alternate operating
> system.
>
> Though having said that, I did have to take my current 2004 laptop into a
> service centre when it wouldn't boot after I had loaded Knoppix. I did this
> with
> some treppidation ready to reinstall XP if I needed to. However, when I
> spoke to
> the Tech, he showed me shrink wrapped Xandros boxes and took a copy of my
> Knoppix Disk :-).
>
> He asked me to leave the computer with him, and come back in a
> couple of days. I think the problem was just a flat battery. Which brings
> me
> back to the power management and other bits of hardware not working -
> sorry, I
> am not going to get involved in recompiling Kernels.
>
> Haven't had any problems since, but see "Switch to Linux" (Late 2003)
> 
>
>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Jeremy Visser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:48 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote:
>>>
 I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
 voided by simply installing a different operating system.

>>> Kernel bug #11382, anyone? (i.e. e1000e on Linux 2.6.27-rc1)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Morgan Storey wrote:

what about the one in Ubuntu 104535...
Beside the point no vendor is going to know about minor bugs that may kill
their hardware.


But they are likely to attribute any fault to the alternate operating system.

Though having said that, I did have to take my current 2004 laptop into a
service centre when it wouldn't boot after I had loaded Knoppix. I did this with
some treppidation ready to reinstall XP if I needed to. However, when I spoke to
the Tech, he showed me shrink wrapped Xandros boxes and took a copy of my
Knoppix Disk :-).

He asked me to leave the computer with him, and come back in a
couple of days. I think the problem was just a flat battery. Which brings me
back to the power management and other bits of hardware not working - sorry, I
am not going to get involved in recompiling Kernels.

Haven't had any problems since, but see "Switch to Linux" (Late 2003)




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Jeremy Visser  wrote:


On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:48 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote:

I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
voided by simply installing a different operating system.

Kernel bug #11382, anyone? (i.e. e1000e on Linux 2.6.27-rc1)




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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Morgan Storey]

what about the one in Ubuntu 104535...
Beside the point no vendor is going to know about minor bugs that may kill
their hardware.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Jeremy Visser  wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:48 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote:
> > I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
> > voided by simply installing a different operating system.
>
> Kernel bug #11382, anyone? (i.e. e1000e on Linux 2.6.27-rc1)
>
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Jeremy Visser]

On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:48 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote:
> I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
> voided by simply installing a different operating system.

Kernel bug #11382, anyone? (i.e. e1000e on Linux 2.6.27-rc1)


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Morgan Storey]

I don't believe that manufacturers can claim that the warranty has been
voided by simply installing a different operating system. They will probably
not offer support, but so be it. My wife got warranty fixes on her IBM t43
and EEPC 901 both had been changed to Ubuntu. I got warranty support on an
MSI I owned even though I bought it with no OS. If the OS directly caused
damage to the hardware then the Manufacturer could claim it wasn't their
fault and void the warranty, but manufacturers barely know if the hardware
they supplied was faulty let alone what caused it.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marghanita da Cruz  wrote:

> Martin Barry wrote:
>
>> I meant to reply to this earlier but must have deleted Margharita's email,
>> so sorry about the threading breakage but...
>>
>>  From: Marghanita da Cruz 
>>>
>>> and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the
>>> Asus Eee PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>> This is a nice offer but not only are you still paying the Microsoft tax
>> you
>> are also paying for the Linux install.
>>
>> Might be good for someone new to Linux but I can't see many SLUGers taking
>> them up on it...
>>
>>  I think you missed my reference to Xandros - the Linux Distro that
> ASUS/eeePC
> uses. While I haven't checked this mob out, I was speculating that they may
> be
> able to supply the  Linux version of the Eee PC S101.
>
> Yes, I have noted the discussion on SLUG about installing various Distros
> on
> the 701 - which shipped with Xandros Linux. However, I thought it was
> interesting
> that this mob were offering such a service.
>
> Using Linux should not require you to install it. Also the enquiries have
> been
> about suppliers of Linux Netbooks and Laptops - presumeably I am not the
> only
> one looking for a hardware manufacturer shipping a box running linux.
> Changing
> the operating system complicates warranties. I would like to be able to
> recommend Linux boxes to clients - but can't if the manufacturers warranty
> is
> affected.
>
> It would appear you get more for your buck if you go with the Linux option.
>
>> I'm awaiting response from Asus on pricing and U.S. availability for the
>> Eee PC S101. I will update this post with that information as soon as I get
>> it. Until then, I will say that it's been widely reported that the S101 will
>> be priced as follows:
>>
>> Windows XP, 16GB SSD: $699
>> Linux, 32GB SSD: $699
>> Linux, 64GB SSD: $799
>>
>> Update: Asus confirmed the above pricing, but it will not sell the two
>> Linux-based models in the U.S. The Windows-based S101 will hit the U.S. on
>> November 1 and will feature a 16GB solid-state drive and a 16GB SD card,
>> plus 20GB of online storage.
>>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Martin Barry wrote:

I meant to reply to this earlier but must have deleted Margharita's email,
so sorry about the threading breakage but...


From: Marghanita da Cruz 

and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the Asus Eee 
PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.





This is a nice offer but not only are you still paying the Microsoft tax you
are also paying for the Linux install.

Might be good for someone new to Linux but I can't see many SLUGers taking
them up on it...


I think you missed my reference to Xandros - the Linux Distro that ASUS/eeePC
uses. While I haven't checked this mob out, I was speculating that they may be
able to supply the  Linux version of the Eee PC S101.

Yes, I have noted the discussion on SLUG about installing various Distros on
the 701 - which shipped with Xandros Linux. However, I thought it was 
interesting
that this mob were offering such a service.

Using Linux should not require you to install it. Also the enquiries have been
about suppliers of Linux Netbooks and Laptops - presumeably I am not the only
one looking for a hardware manufacturer shipping a box running linux. Changing
the operating system complicates warranties. I would like to be able to
recommend Linux boxes to clients - but can't if the manufacturers warranty is
affected.

It would appear you get more for your buck if you go with the Linux option.

I'm awaiting response from Asus on pricing and U.S. availability for the Eee PC 
S101. I will update this post with that information as soon as I get it. Until 
then, I will say that it's been widely reported that the S101 will be priced as 
follows:

Windows XP, 16GB SSD: $699
Linux, 32GB SSD: $699
Linux, 64GB SSD: $799

Update: Asus confirmed the above pricing, but it will not sell the two Linux-based models in the U.S. The Windows-based S101 will hit the U.S. on November 1 and will feature a 16GB solid-state drive and a 16GB SD card, plus 20GB of online storage. 





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Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Martin Barry]

I meant to reply to this earlier but must have deleted Margharita's email,
so sorry about the threading breakage but...

> From: Marghanita da Cruz 
> 
> and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the Asus 
> Eee 
> PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.
>
> 

This is a nice offer but not only are you still paying the Microsoft tax you
are also paying for the Linux install.

Might be good for someone new to Linux but I can't see many SLUGers taking
them up on it...

cheers
marty

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[SLUG] Re: Linux netbook? (Marghanita da Cruz)

[Jan Newmarch]

kogan.com.au are offering their own gOS Linux box without having to pay
for a throwaway copy of Windows. 1Gb RAM, 160Gb disk, 10 inch screen for
$499. Only colour is black, so I'm holding back buying one yet.

Jan
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On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 12:00 +1000, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:

> > From: Marghanita da Cruz 
> > Reply-to: marghan...@ramin.com.au
> > To: Philip Kerkin 
> > Cc: slug@slug.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux netbook?
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:06:38 +1000
> > 
> > Philip Kerkin wrote:
> > > Hi I'm probably a bit late on this one, but check out Pioneer
> > > http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what the hardware is like, but if you go to build your own,
> > > there is an option to have Ubuntu preinstalled.  I'm a bit wary of the
> > > comment that some hardware drivers may be coming soon, but definitely
> > > worth a look.
> > > 
> > > I had a look at a pioneer notebook a while ago and was quite impressed
> > > with the look and feel. Really light and keyboard felt good and the
> > > display was nice and clear. 
> > > 
> > 
> > and for the eeePC, this mob seems to be offering a Linux install on the 
> > Asus Eee 
> > PC S101 - presumeably they also offer the option of Xandros.
> > 
> > > 
> > >> Linux Operating System   
> > >>  If you would like us to install a Linux operating system on this laptop 
> > >> for you please select which distribution you prefer from the list below. 
> > >> If you would like more than one of the following please contact us for a 
> > >> custom quote.
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >>  No Extra Operating System   +$0
> > >>  Fedora Linux 10 +$59
> > >>  CentOS Enterprise Linux 5   +$59
> > >>  OpenSuSE Linux 11.1 +$59
> > >>  Ubuntu Linux 9.04   +$59
> > >>  KUbuntu Linux 9.04  +$59
> > >>  Xubuntu Linux 9.04  +$59
> > >>  MEPIS 8.0   +$59
> > >>  Mandriva Linux Free 2009+$59
> > >>  Mandriva Linux One 2009 +$59
> > >>  PCLinuxOS 2009.1+$59
> > >>  Debian GNU/Linux 5  +$59
> > >>  Debian GNU/Linux Testing+$59
> > >>  Debian GNU/Linux Unstable   +$59
> > >>  Gentoo Linux 2008.0 +$59
> > >>  Slackware Linux 12.2+$59
> > >>  Freespire 2.0   +$59
> > >>  User Supplied OS+$89
> > >> 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Marghanita
> 

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