Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 13:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. [snip] I don't believe that this is the answer. Cygwin allows the windows machine to have a unix-api and for it to run unix programs. It does not do what cxoffice does for linux machines. It doesn't do what cxoffice does, but it does what the original poster asked - i.e. to be able to login remotely to a linux machine from Windows and run a graphics interface on the Linux which displays its windows on the Windows machine. In case you are not up to date with it (which I suspect from your definition of Gygwin as a simple unix-api) then it also includes a full port of the core XFree86 to Windows. True True, but he was aleady using vnc, so if he wanted a window manager, he already had one! No arguments about cygwin, I found vnc easier if all you want is a window manager. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 09:25:24AM +1000, Phill wrote: I guess I thought (not really understanding the concept.. but now I do) that it could be used as a remote desktop with the gui bacically being redirected to a remote output. That's certainly possible -- that's what xdmcp is about. I do use a vnc at the momement. It is a bit slow and I was wondering about a more efficient way to run programs on a server Vnc is fastER (but still not _fast_) and less hassle (only one port to worry about) on a WAN. Straight X is much faster on a LAN. If money is not too much of an object and time is, a client of mine was using Cygwin and now is using nomachine (http://www.nomachine.com). There is a freeNX version. It is much faster than Cygwin with ssh particularly on low speed lines, much easier to setup and the client installs are available for windows, linux, playstation and I think OSX. It apparently works by removing lots of unnecessary chat from the X protocol. There is a live demo that runs X from Italy. Cost was about $1K for a dual processor 40 user win4lin server, so about $25/user or some such. Compared to tuning X, it was a godsend. It also tidied up all that messy ssh-keygen stuff and saves about 1/2 hour per PC on install... HTH Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 10:09:25PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If money is not too much of an object and time is, a client of mine was using Cygwin and now is using nomachine (http://www.nomachine.com). There is a freeNX version. I tried NX. It doesn't cost anything with the freenx server, because the NX client is free. But I had a problem connecting to the same server from different machines. Which was sorta the whole point for me. I think (from memory) that the NX protocol insisted that the server and client had the same bitdepth (no. of colours) which wasn't the case for the two machines I tried. Otherwise, yeah, it is quite fast. -- Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
I'm currently using my new laptop on my home LAN ( dual booting Kanotix and XP) to access my 4 other PCS (3 of which are headless) running Kanotix/Kubuntu and/or XP and run programs on these PCs remotely. I'm using NX/FreeNx which is included in the Kanotix distro by default, and which is also available for Windows. FreeNx includes both client and server - see http://freenx.berlios.de/ One PC is a file/print server and one is a multimedia machine incl hdtv card output to TV, but is mainly used for playing streaming Shoutcast audio through my Stereo. Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
Forgot to copy this to the list --- Original Message --- Date: 10/25/2005 From: Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient On 25/10/2005, Phill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. VNC is one way to do it, the other is to run an X server on your desktop. Note the terminology used here: the client is actually an X application, like xcalc; the server is actually what takes its output and displays it. This isn't about remote desktop though, there is a subtle difference. Each X client can point to any X server, so you can quite happily run one application here, another there, another on a third X server. The desktop (Window Manager, kind of, in X terminology) is just another X client. Once you've got an X server running on your machine (and set up to accept clients from the remote machine), you set an environment variable called DISPLAY to point to the X server, for example: DISPLAY=192.168.1.1:0 xcalc or export DISPLAY=192.168.1.1:0 xcalc xeyes (the :0 refers to the number of the X server at that IP address) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
Hi all I guess I thought (not really understanding the concept.. but now I do) that it could be used as a remote desktop with the gui bacically being redirected to a remote output. I do use a vnc at the momement. It is a bit slow and I was wondering about a more efficient way to run programs on a server Phill smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
Phill wrote: Hi all I guess I thought (not really understanding the concept.. but now I do) that it could be used as a remote desktop with the gui bacically being redirected to a remote output. I do use a vnc at the momement. It is a bit slow and I was wondering about a more efficient way to run programs on a server Phill There's no reason why you couldn't use cygwin or xming(??) to do that. VNC or FreeNX (never used it so can't vouch for their claims as to being faster but its certainly worth a go) is possibly better or easier. If you wanted to run the odd application or two then xming might be better. Try them and see. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 09:25:24AM +1000, Phill wrote: I guess I thought (not really understanding the concept.. but now I do) that it could be used as a remote desktop with the gui bacically being redirected to a remote output. That's certainly possible -- that's what xdmcp is about. I do use a vnc at the momement. It is a bit slow and I was wondering about a more efficient way to run programs on a server Vnc is fastER (but still not _fast_) and less hassle (only one port to worry about) on a WAN. Straight X is much faster on a LAN. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
Hi all I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
Phill wrote: Hi all I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. Other info which may or may not be useful: in terms of X servers, the terms server/client are probably inverted to natural thought (maybe its just me though). Linux needs an X server to display the application, that X server does not have to be on the machine that the application is running on. In fact, the machine the linux app is running on does not even need an X server installed. You might naturally think of the linux box as the server in a case like this, which it is in the sense that it is serving the app. But the X server runs on the client. Which basically means you need an x server on your windows machine. Hence cygwin. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. [snip] I don't believe that this is the answer. Cygwin allows the windows machine to have a unix-api and for it to run unix programs. It does not do what cxoffice does for linux machines. I know of no windows sw that will run a remote unix app. You can look at putty which will give you a term screen which can run apps. I think vnc is better/easier than cygwin, but that gives you a desktop ala any of the other X-servers that run on windows. Really, said he sticking out his neck and saying cut-it-off, only X lets you run arbitary apps on machine A displaying on machine B. The window manager/desktop is a background issue. ie no window manager and you can still run say kmail on the blank grey screen of B from machine A. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
James wrote: On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. [snip] I don't believe that this is the answer. Cygwin allows the windows machine to have a unix-api and for it to run unix programs. It does not do what cxoffice does for linux machines. No, but you can run an X server under cygwin which can then be used as the display for an app from a linux machine. At least that is my understanding without ever having tried it. I know of no windows sw that will run a remote unix app. You can look at putty which will give you a term screen which can run apps. Not gui ones though, without an X server of some sort and XForward enabled. I think vnc is better/easier than cygwin, but that gives you a desktop ala any of the other X-servers that run on windows. Really, said he sticking out his neck and saying cut-it-off, only X lets you run arbitary apps on machine A displaying on machine B. The window manager/desktop is a background issue. ie no window manager and you can still run say kmail on the blank grey screen of B from machine A. James Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On 10/26/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. [snip] I don't believe that this is the answer. Cygwin allows the windows machine to have a unix-api and for it to run unix programs. It does not do what cxoffice does for linux machines. It doesn't do what cxoffice does, but it does what the original poster asked - i.e. to be able to login remotely to a linux machine from Windows and run a graphics interface on the Linux which displays its windows on the Windows machine. In case you are not up to date with it (which I suspect from your definition of Gygwin as a simple unix-api) then it also includes a full port of the core XFree86 to Windows. Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
It doesn't do what cxoffice does, but it does what the original poster asked - i.e. to be able to login remotely to a linux machine from Windows and run a graphics interface on the Linux which displays its windows on the Windows machine. In case you are not up to date with it (which I suspect from your definition of Gygwin as a simple unix-api) then it also includes a full port of the core XFree86 to Windows. Cygwin has X.org now, and gtk, and gnome, and subversion, and rpm, and ... :) I can vouch that remote X works, I've run a cygwin X.org server displaying applications running on my linux box over ssh. Vnc might work better for you though, especially over slow connections with display intensive applications. - Rog -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:36:20AM +1000, Phil Scarratt wrote: Phill wrote: I'm told that one of the big pros of the X server/client is that the server and the client can be on separate machines ( I guess like a remote desktop). How can I use my windows machine to run applications on the linux machine. Currently I'm just using a vnc setup. Phill Short answer: install cygwin on your windows machine, making sure to install whatever X server is included with it. Slightly longer answer: Have a look at the Cygwin/X project at http://x.cygwin.com/ . The downloading section has a very quick guide to installing the cygwin components for running an X server. Just select the xorg-x11-base package and it will resolve any dependencies for you automatically. While you're installing cygwin components, I'd strongly suggest installing openssh as well. Even if you already have putty or something else, having access to a commandline ssh client from within cygwin makes forwarding X connections a lot simpler. cygwin will have installed a batch file, startxwin.bat, for launching the X server. Start it up, and it should launch an xterm window. From there you can ssh to your linux machine (make sure you use the -Y option for X11 forwarding) and run your applications. There's a lot more detail in the Cygwin/X user's guide at http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/ . Other info which may or may not be useful: in terms of X servers, the terms server/client are probably inverted to natural thought (maybe its just me though). For what it's worth, I wrapped my head around this one by reasoning that the X server arbitrates access to input and output hardware and serves it up to the applications that want to get keyboard input or display stuff on a screen. It does feel back-to-front, but only until you realise that a server doesn't necessarily have to be serving resources directly to a human. Hope that helps. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:56:50PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: In case you are not up to date with it (which I suspect from your definition of Gygwin as a simple unix-api) then it also includes a full port of the core XFree86 to Windows. Minor point of order: it's even more up to date than you think; they've moved from XFree86 to X.org. :-) It's pretty neat, too. Rootless and all. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Xserver/Xclient
On 10/26/05, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:56:50PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: In case you are not up to date with it (which I suspect from your definition of Gygwin as a simple unix-api) then it also includes a full port of the core XFree86 to Windows. Minor point of order: it's even more up to date than you think; they've moved from XFree86 to X.org. :-) It's pretty neat, too. Rootless and all. Gladly I do not depend on Windows to access Linux so I admit to have an outdated info on this. Thanks to both corrections given over the list. Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
