Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 10:33 +1000, Taryn East wrote: Not sure what you mean by stty size though - is that .muttrc thing? stty size is a command. You type it into a terminal. I get this when I run it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] james]$ stty size 24 80 HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get 49 80 Presumably this is rows columns? Which would mean this isn't the problem column-wise as everything else I can think of is set to 80 columns (except where it needs to be 78 eg wrap-sizes in gvim I think). Cheers, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
Taryn East wrote: In any case, mutt's listing page (not sure what it's officially called - the page where an email folder lists all it's email with numbers) has become a little screwy-looking. I think it's called index page (at least in at the bottom of its help page). The lines seem to wrap around to the next line (which covers the following line until you run the cursor line over the top of them - which resets it). Sounds like mutt thinks your lines are longer than they actually are. The threading looks odd (sometimes the | and - lines are replaced by ??? or they're all out of alignment). Can anyone point me at the right settings to take a look at to fix this? What does stty size show, and what is your real screen size (in terms of characters)? Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: Taryn East wrote: I think it's called index page (at least in at the bottom of its help page). cool, thanks Sounds like mutt thinks your lines are longer than they actually are. yesh, it seems like that. When I expand the width of the terminal - it fixes them (depending on how long they are). What does stty size show, and what is your real screen size (in terms of characters)? real screen size (as in width of terminal) is generally pretty much set to 80 chars wide. AFAIK any setting I've touched reflects this. Not sure what you mean by stty size though - is that .muttrc thing? if so - it's not in there AFAIK. Otherwise - where do I look? (newbie here with a lot to learn still) This line: set index_format=%4C %Z %[!%d/%m] %-17.17F (%3l) %s seems to be the closest things i can find in .muttrc that might be appropriate... but it doesn't seem to have width in it anywhere... and I'm not entirely sure what these format strings do. My guess is they show what things appear in the index view in what order which is why it might be appropriate - but I can't seem to find anything in the vim help on it... :P Note: I definitely didn't have this problem before I altered the character set :( I was pretty sure I touched nothing but the encoding setting... sigh Chers, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 10:33 +1000, Taryn East wrote: Not sure what you mean by stty size though - is that .muttrc thing? stty size is a command. You type it into a terminal. I get this when I run it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] james]$ stty size 24 80 HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
Ok, this thread sstarted when i was trying to get special characters to work in mutt. It seemed to work and it's been going along ifne - however I have noticed another effect that seems to have occurred either as a result of the changeover - or maybe it was something I bumped while doing the changeover :( In any case, mutt's listing page (not sure what it's officially called - the page where an email folder lists all it's email with numbers) has become a little screwy-looking. The lines seem to wrap around to the next line (which covers the following line until you run the cursor line over the top of them - which resets it). The threading looks odd (sometimes the | and - lines are replaced by ??? or they're all out of alignment). Can anyone point me at the right settings to take a look at to fix this? Cheers and thanks, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004, Patrick Lesslie wrote: Presumably you will need UTF-8 support in both the kernel (should be fine for a stock kernel) and in /etc/locale.gen (that's on Debian). Use dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate a set of locates and set them up on a system-wide basis on Debian. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Wed, Aug 04, 2004, Patrick Lesslie wrote: Presumably you will need UTF-8 support in both the kernel (should be fine for a stock kernel) and in /etc/locale.gen (that's on Debian). Use dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate a set of locates and set them up on a system-wide basis on Debian. Ok, I have done this - also followed Patrick's suggestions of altering locale.gen My terminal (on my work machine0 is gone-terminal and is show n to be using UTF-8. My .muttrc currently has: set charset=iso-8859-1 but this is what I played with last time I tried to fix this problem and changing it only resulted in me being able to turn the /123 into ? I have also been told that maybe loking at my fonts might be a good idea - but not sure whether i should do that on my home machine or on my ork one - and not sure how to do it on either (ie what font should I be looking at? what font am I missing?). Cheers, Taryn PS - why do replies automatically go to the message sender instead of the list? -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* Taryn East [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: My terminal (on my work machine0 is gone-terminal and is show n to be using UTF-8. apologies for typo-dyslexia... that was meant to be gnome-terminal... Cheers, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004, Taryn East wrote: I have also been told that maybe loking at my fonts might be a good idea - but not sure whether i should do that on my home machine or on my ork one - and not sure how to do it on either (ie what font should I be looking at? what font am I missing?). It's the fonts on your client machine (whichever machine you are physically sitting in front of). PS - why do replies automatically go to the message sender instead of the list? Because this list doesn't set the Reply-To header to point back at the list. Many mailing lists do this, but most Free Software related mailing lists don't and SLUG's lists are among them. See the FAQ: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html If you tell mutt that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a mailing list you're subscribed to, you can press Shift+l to reply to the list. Put this in your .muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some other mailers (Evolution, KMail) now can detect many lists from their headers and don't need to be told, but as far as I know, mutt still does. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Thu, Aug 05, 2004, Taryn East wrote: I have also been told that maybe loking at my fonts might be a good idea - but not sure whether i should do that on my home machine or on my ork one - and not sure how to do it on either (ie what font should I be looking at? what font am I missing?). It's the fonts on your client machine (whichever machine you are physically sitting in front of). ok, sure - but I'm not sure which fonts I'm supposed to look for - which one(s) am I missing? :( PS - why do replies automatically go to the message sender instead of the list? http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ok, that makes sense... I'd never been told that before. Cheers and thanks, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
* Patrick Lesslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: My .muttrc currently has: set charset=iso-8859-1 but this is what I played with last time I tried to fix this problem and changing it only resulted in me being able to turn the /123 into ? It still might be a good idea to lose that line. I don't have that one. It might be overriding the gnome-terminal setting while mutt is open in the terminal. Yay! that seems to have fixed it. Probably that wasn't it completely, tho' as I used never to have that line in my muttrc... so a combination of stuff seems to have done the trick... Cheers and thanks, Taryn [who is absurdly happy for such a small victory...] -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
Er hi, yes I know there was a thread on this a little while ago - but I admit I wasn't paying attention to it at that point, and I'm also not sure if it was precisely what I need for myself, so I thought I'd repost - and hope nobody minds too much... Basically my issue is this: - I am a part of a gaidhlig mailing list, and there are special characters in said list (mainly vowels with accents) which come through to me thusly: A Shi\371saidh, 's truagh nach fhaca mi thusa aig a' chuirm-chi\371il le Cl\354ar! Tha mi dol leatsa, bha iad d\354reach sgoinneil! Bha mi aig SMO airson Cursaichean G\362irid a-rithist, agus bha e fior fheumail agus c\362mhnachail, mar is abhaist. Is miann leam an-sin fhuirich. (Chan eil mi cinnteach mu an rosgrann seo) (hopefully that'll display literally instead of as the characters that I want to see... if not - they appear to me as \ followed by a 3-digit number (eg 354 or 362)) Now, I read my email from my home machine (while at work) through an ssh connection... so there are multiple layers of program, any of which may be at fault at the moment. gnome-terminal 2.2.1 is the terminal I'm using at work. Now, I once had a bit of help from someone who suggested changing character encodings and stuff - but I remember that the only success in that seemd to be to change the 3-digit numbers into question marks... so not much help :( He then suggested looking at my fonts - but I'm not entirely sure how to do that (I'm still a newbie). At work we use redhat, at home I have debian - and I don't know if it's mutt or the terminal so don't know which to look up... so was kinda hoping that the wiser souls on this list might have some insight/advice to help steer me in the right direction... Cheers and thanks, Taryn -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 10:14:52AM +1000, Taryn East wrote: - I am a part of a gaidhlig mailing list, and there are special characters in said list (mainly vowels with accents) which come through to me thusly: A Shi\371saidh, 's truagh nach fhaca mi thusa You might have some luck with gnome-terminal if you make sure it is set to UTF-8 (terminal - character coding - UTF-8). Presumably you will need UTF-8 support in both the kernel (should be fine for a stock kernel) and in /etc/locale.gen (that's on Debian). My locale.gen looks something like: en_AU ISO-8859-1 en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8 Then you run locale-gen. Accented characters in mutt work for me now, although I'm not sure how to create them directly on the terminal. You might have more trouble than this; I didn't have chars as numbers like that, they were more just garbled characters or sometimes question marks. Patrick Lesslie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] special characters in mutt... again
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 02:08:15PM +1000, Patrick Lesslie wrote: Then you run locale-gen. Accented characters in mutt work for me now, although I'm not sure how to create them directly on the terminal. My solution is to have this is ~/.Xmodmap: keycode 116 = Multi_key which maps the right windows key to Compose, and run xmodmap from ~/.xinitrc before starting the window manager. Then, for example, Compose + e followed by ' gives é. The complete list of compose characters is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-*/Compose. Cheers, John -- It's called sarcasm. I hear that irony is not easily found in the wild in .us, but I'd have thought that sarcasm was reasonably common. -- Matt McLeod -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
