[sniffer] Re: All about GBUdb

2007-10-09 Thread John T (lists)
OK, a couple of questions.

If an IP is found to be BAD, the website states a non-zero code will be
returned. Well, I know that those of us using Declude and using listed
return codes other than non-zero will have a problem with this. Can this be
set to a specific return code that we can then use with Declude?

Same question on the UGLY, can it be set to return a specific return code so
that we can use that with Declude?

John T


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 Pete McNeil
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:06 PM
 To: Message Sniffer Community
 Subject: [sniffer] All about GBUdb
 
 Hello Sniffer Folks,
 
 At your convenience please review the following:
 

http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.TechnicalDetails.G
BUdb
 
 This page describes one of the key features of the new SNF engine
 (currently in wide beta testing). GBUdb is an IP reputation system
 built on a collaborative learning engine. Each SNF node equipped with
 GBUdb learns the behavior of the message sources it encounters and
 shares that information with other SNF/GBUdb nodes in the cloud.
 
 This learning and sharing process happens in near real-time
 (zero-minute) and allows the new SNF engine to improve both filtering
 accuracy and system efficiency (with a little help from it's friends).
 
 Let us know if you have any questions or comments.
 
 Thanks!
 
 _M
 
 --
 Pete McNeil
 Chief Scientist,
 Arm Research Labs, LLC.
 
 
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[sniffer] Re: False Positives

2007-10-09 Thread Pi-Web - Frank Jensen

Hi Pete,


Actually it is true ;-)

http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.FAQ.FalsePositives#What_are_the_guidelines_for_sending_a_False_Positive.3F

- Please include your license ID in your message and send the messages from your registered email 
address. Email from non-registered email addresses and email having no license ID may be ignored.


It should be impossible to guess such a standard rule it is still unique to 
each system.

We are also having trouble with your response to our false.


Hello Pi-Web,

Actually that's not true - the license ID is normally derived from
information in the headers as the message is processed by special
software on our system.

This is a very rare case - and where any kind of white rule is
concerned we like to keep each case specific and extremely difficult
to guess. Any kind of standard white rule is a problem waiting to
happen.

Hope this helps,

_M


Monday, October 8, 2007, 11:45:46 AM, you wrote:


Why not add the license code as local whitelist string in each database,
the license code is normaly supplied in the false report mail anyway.


Is there any way of getting false positives to you other than emailing 
them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?


 

My dilemma is that I'm using the same SMTP server for sending email out 
as getting email in -- so outgoing email is getting spam checked using 
Message Sniffer -- This means my False Positive reports are getting 
quarantined before they can get out!!


 


Any ideas on how to work around this problem?


We should be able to create a local white rule for this purpose. Or, you 
could create a local white-list entry of some kind in your other 
filtering systems (those that call SNF).



Send me a note off-list from the address  system that you will use to 
submit false positives and include information on any other systems you 
will use to submit false positives to us. We will work through it to 
create an appropriate white rule for this purpose.



Hope this helps,


Thanks,


_M









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[sniffer] Re: All about GBUdb

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello John,

Yes. The standard result codes for ugly IPs depend upon the range they
fall in (based on their statistics):

Ugly in Caution = 40

Ugly in Black = 63

Ugly in Truncate = 20

Note that the black range is identical to hard coded IP rules found in
the SNF rulebase. IP rules are no longer being created. The GBUdb will
now take over that function since it is more dynamic.

Hope this helps,

_M

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 2:15:36 AM, you wrote:

 OK, a couple of questions.

 If an IP is found to be BAD, the website states a non-zero code will be
 returned. Well, I know that those of us using Declude and using listed
 return codes other than non-zero will have a problem with this. Can this be
 set to a specific return code that we can then use with Declude?

 Same question on the UGLY, can it be set to return a specific return code so
 that we can use that with Declude?

 John T


 -Original Message-
 From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of
 Pete McNeil
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:06 PM
 To: Message Sniffer Community
 Subject: [sniffer] All about GBUdb
 
 Hello Sniffer Folks,
 
 At your convenience please review the following:
 

 http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.TechnicalDetails.G
 BUdb
 
 This page describes one of the key features of the new SNF engine
 (currently in wide beta testing). GBUdb is an IP reputation system
 built on a collaborative learning engine. Each SNF node equipped with
 GBUdb learns the behavior of the message sources it encounters and
 shares that information with other SNF/GBUdb nodes in the cloud.
 
 This learning and sharing process happens in near real-time
 (zero-minute) and allows the new SNF engine to improve both filtering
 accuracy and system efficiency (with a little help from it's friends).
 
 Let us know if you have any questions or comments.
 
 Thanks!
 
 _M
 
 --
 Pete McNeil
 Chief Scientist,
 Arm Research Labs, LLC.
 
 
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[sniffer] SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Sniffer Folks,

We have worked through some minor bugs and added some new features.

The newest version of the beta is 1.4.

http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted.Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta

Please upgrade your snf_engine.xml and SNFServer.exe files from the
latest distribution when you get a chance.

* Adds support for scanning Communigate Pro message files directly.

* Tightens up XCI handler code.

* Removes problematic/redundant XCI watchdog code which caused trouble
on some MDaemon systems.

Source  MDaemon folks-- a revised alpha distribution will be updated
shortly with the new changes incorporated.

Thanks,

_M

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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Chris Bunting
Pete,

Im a bit confused about the persistasnt mode settings. I don't remember
installing a service for my current sniffer installation. I thought it
just continued running after the first time it was called by my mail
server. With the new release, do I have to install as a service?

Thanks,
Chris

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From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete McNeil
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:54 PM
To: Message Sniffer Community
Subject: [sniffer] SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

Hello Sniffer Folks,

We have worked through some minor bugs and added some new features.

The newest version of the beta is 1.4.

http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted
.Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta

Please upgrade your snf_engine.xml and SNFServer.exe files from the
latest distribution when you get a chance.

* Adds support for scanning Communigate Pro message files directly.

* Tightens up XCI handler code.

* Removes problematic/redundant XCI watchdog code which caused trouble
on some MDaemon systems.

Source  MDaemon folks-- a revised alpha distribution will be updated
shortly with the new changes incorporated.

Thanks,

_M

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Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Chris,

Quite a while ago, SNF was based on cellular peer-server technology.
Each time your MTA called SNF with a message it would look to see if
any other instances were alive and if they were then they would
coordinate together to save resources.

A bit after that we created a persistent mode where you could start an
instance that would run as a kind of lightweight service. That
instance would stay alive all the time so as you called other
instances to scan messages they would see the persistent instance and
let it take care of the heavy work -- that way only one instance ever
had to load the rulebase file.

Once the persistent mode was available there was no reason to use SNF
any other way so most folks set up a persistent instance and took
advantage of the extra throughput on their systems. That is currently
the accepted way to run SNF.

The new version is a complete departure from the old ways. There is
now a client and a service. The client software knows how to talk to
the server software and that's about all it does. The server software
does all of the scanning and other heavy tasks.

Now, for most folks, this is a fairly simple transition. They will
replace their persistent instance with the new server software and
they will begin calling the new client software the same way they used
to call SNF. The client will pass the scan request on to the server
and will return the customary result code.

If you've never run a persistent instance using srvany, Firedaemon, or
some other tool then that part will be new to you.

Hope this helps,

_M

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 7:36:02 PM, you wrote:

 Pete,

 Im a bit confused about the persistasnt mode settings. I don't remember
 installing a service for my current sniffer installation. I thought it
 just continued running after the first time it was called by my mail
 server. With the new release, do I have to install as a service?

 Thanks,
 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Pete McNeil
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:54 PM
 To: Message Sniffer Community
 Subject: [sniffer] SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

 Hello Sniffer Folks,

 We have worked through some minor bugs and added some new features.

 The newest version of the beta is 1.4.

 http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted
 .Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta

 Please upgrade your snf_engine.xml and SNFServer.exe files from the
 latest distribution when you get a chance.

 * Adds support for scanning Communigate Pro message files directly.

 * Tightens up XCI handler code.

 * Removes problematic/redundant XCI watchdog code which caused trouble
 on some MDaemon systems.

 Source  MDaemon folks-- a revised alpha distribution will be updated
 shortly with the new changes incorporated.

 Thanks,

 _M




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Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Chris Bunting
Ok I guess I had a basic understanding of how the old way and new way
works, that makes it much clearer. I hadn't  messed with it until now
I'm looking at the new version b/c I am getting a lot of spam thru the
floodgates lately, more and more. I tried creating a service with srvany
but it was throwing an error when I was starting the service. Any
special arguments you are supposed to put in the path that the service
runs?

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Behalf Of Pete McNeil
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:13 PM
To: Message Sniffer Community
Subject: [sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

Hello Chris,

Quite a while ago, SNF was based on cellular peer-server technology.
Each time your MTA called SNF with a message it would look to see if
any other instances were alive and if they were then they would
coordinate together to save resources.

A bit after that we created a persistent mode where you could start an
instance that would run as a kind of lightweight service. That
instance would stay alive all the time so as you called other
instances to scan messages they would see the persistent instance and
let it take care of the heavy work -- that way only one instance ever
had to load the rulebase file.

Once the persistent mode was available there was no reason to use SNF
any other way so most folks set up a persistent instance and took
advantage of the extra throughput on their systems. That is currently
the accepted way to run SNF.

The new version is a complete departure from the old ways. There is
now a client and a service. The client software knows how to talk to
the server software and that's about all it does. The server software
does all of the scanning and other heavy tasks.

Now, for most folks, this is a fairly simple transition. They will
replace their persistent instance with the new server software and
they will begin calling the new client software the same way they used
to call SNF. The client will pass the scan request on to the server
and will return the customary result code.

If you've never run a persistent instance using srvany, Firedaemon, or
some other tool then that part will be new to you.

Hope this helps,

_M

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 7:36:02 PM, you wrote:

 Pete,

 Im a bit confused about the persistasnt mode settings. I don't
remember
 installing a service for my current sniffer installation. I thought it
 just continued running after the first time it was called by my mail
 server. With the new release, do I have to install as a service?

 Thanks,
 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Pete McNeil
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:54 PM
 To: Message Sniffer Community
 Subject: [sniffer] SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

 Hello Sniffer Folks,

 We have worked through some minor bugs and added some new features.

 The newest version of the beta is 1.4.


http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted
 .Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta

 Please upgrade your snf_engine.xml and SNFServer.exe files from the
 latest distribution when you get a chance.

 * Adds support for scanning Communigate Pro message files directly.

 * Tightens up XCI handler code.

 * Removes problematic/redundant XCI watchdog code which caused trouble
 on some MDaemon systems.

 Source  MDaemon folks-- a revised alpha distribution will be updated
 shortly with the new changes incorporated.

 Thanks,

 _M




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Chief Scientist,
Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Richard Lyon

So, two questions

Can sniffer now run without Declude or the like on an Imail system?

Can the server piece be on a different machine?

Thanks!

(And if its obvious no, I haven't yet read the documentation on  
the new sniffer yet)


On Oct 9, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Pete McNeil wrote:


Hello Chris,

Quite a while ago, SNF was based on cellular peer-server technology.
Each time your MTA called SNF with a message it would look to see if
any other instances were alive and if they were then they would
coordinate together to save resources.

A bit after that we created a persistent mode where you could start an
instance that would run as a kind of lightweight service. That
instance would stay alive all the time so as you called other
instances to scan messages they would see the persistent instance and
let it take care of the heavy work -- that way only one instance ever
had to load the rulebase file.

Once the persistent mode was available there was no reason to use SNF
any other way so most folks set up a persistent instance and took
advantage of the extra throughput on their systems. That is currently
the accepted way to run SNF.

The new version is a complete departure from the old ways. There is
now a client and a service. The client software knows how to talk to
the server software and that's about all it does. The server software
does all of the scanning and other heavy tasks.

Now, for most folks, this is a fairly simple transition. They will
replace their persistent instance with the new server software and
they will begin calling the new client software the same way they used
to call SNF. The client will pass the scan request on to the server
and will return the customary result code.

If you've never run a persistent instance using srvany, Firedaemon, or
some other tool then that part will be new to you.

Hope this helps,

_M

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 7:36:02 PM, you wrote:


Pete,


Im a bit confused about the persistasnt mode settings. I don't  
remember
installing a service for my current sniffer installation. I  
thought it

just continued running after the first time it was called by my mail
server. With the new release, do I have to install as a service?



Thanks,
Chris



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From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete McNeil
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:54 PM
To: Message Sniffer Community
Subject: [sniffer] SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4



Hello Sniffer Folks,



We have worked through some minor bugs and added some new features.



The newest version of the beta is 1.4.


http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php? 
title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted

.Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta



Please upgrade your snf_engine.xml and SNFServer.exe files from the
latest distribution when you get a chance.



* Adds support for scanning Communigate Pro message files directly.



* Tightens up XCI handler code.


* Removes problematic/redundant XCI watchdog code which caused  
trouble

on some MDaemon systems.



Source  MDaemon folks-- a revised alpha distribution will be updated
shortly with the new changes incorporated.



Thanks,



_M





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Chief Scientist,
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[sniffer] timing for production

2007-10-09 Thread Robert Grosshandler
We generally don't do anything system wise during the 4th quarter unless
absolutely necessary.  

1) If we don't upgrade to production if/when it comes out later this year,
will we be ok?
2) Is release to production Q4 event??



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[sniffer] Updates to log rotation scripts

2007-10-09 Thread tfox
What updates/file name changes would be necessary
for the log rotation scripts?

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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Chris,

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 8:30:37 PM, you wrote:

 Ok I guess I had a basic understanding of how the old way and new way
 works, that makes it much clearer. I hadn't  messed with it until now
 I'm looking at the new version b/c I am getting a lot of spam thru the
 floodgates lately, more and more. I tried creating a service with srvany
 but it was throwing an error when I was starting the service. Any
 special arguments you are supposed to put in the path that the service
 runs?

It's hard to guess without seeing the errors. Since I have to guess I
might guess that you want to use full paths for both the SNFServer.exe
and the snf_engine.xml file. You will also want to check that
SNFServer will run with full permissions on it's working directories
(as configured) and that it has at least read, write, delete, create
permissions in the directory where it will look for messages.

I also suggest running SNFServer first from the command line so that
you can see that it works and gain confidence in the settings.

SNF is pretty good about producing errors in logs etc that are useful
and meaningful. If you look closely it should tell you just where to
look for any problems.

Please shut it down cleanly using the client (SNFClient.exe -shutdown)
to avoid creating any messes. SNF is pretty good about taking care
of unexpected shutdowns etc, but it's always best to give it a smooth
shutdown rather than yanking it out by the roots unannounced.

Hope this helps,

_M

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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Greg,

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 8:28:57 PM, you wrote:

 I'm running Win2003server, Imail 8.05 with MXGuard and Sniffer.  How do I 
 install the upgraded
 files?   It was a couple years ago when I set this up originally.  I read 
 through and it says to
 rename the executables and put them in the sniffer dir.  With the 
 server/client mode, is this still
 what I need to do?

No. When you did your last upgrade you were still working with the
peer-server technology and branded executables. The new SNF does not
work that way.

The readme files cover this.

The basic idea in your configuration will be:

* Install the new SNF files in their own directory.

* Carefully adjust the new SNF configuration files.

* Run the SNFServer -- most likely from the command line at first so
you can watch it run and no errors go hidden for long.

* When you are ready, adjust your MXGuard configuration so that the
path to the SNF executable points to the NEW SNFClient.exe.

* If/When you want to switch back for any reason simply adjust the
settings back to normal in your MXGuard configuration.

The new SNF will run along side the old without interference. You can
then switch back and forth just by calling the correct program to scan
your messages - either the old SNF program or the new SNFClient.

You do not need to rename any of the program files with the new
version. If you do there will not be a problem but it is not necessary
and not recommended.

Hope this helps,

_M

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Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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[sniffer] Re: SNFV2-9 Wide Beta now at version 1.4

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Richard,

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 8:50:08 PM, you wrote:

 So, two questions

 Can sniffer now run without Declude or the like on an Imail system?

We have a program that we use on our spamtrap servers to plug SNF
directly into IMail, however it is very limited in it's abilities.

 Can the server piece be on a different machine?

No, the server piece must be on the local machine.

 Thanks!

 (And if its obvious no, I haven't yet read the documentation on  
 the new sniffer yet)

RT oh yeah.

Important stuff in there. Don't miss it.

;-)

_M

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[sniffer] Re: timing for production

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Robert,

Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 8:59:58 PM, you wrote:

 We generally don't do anything system wise during the 4th quarter unless
 absolutely necessary.  

 1) If we don't upgrade to production if/when it comes out later this year,
 will we be ok?

You will be ok, but you won't be having as much fun as those who did
upgrade ;-)

Seriously though -- the core scanning technology and the rulebase is
not significantly different between the old and new versions.

That said, the new version contains some minor improvements to the
pattern matching engine and there has been a minor change to the way
we construct our rulebase.

We are no longer coding any new IP rules. The static IP rules in the
core rulebase are deprecated as are the bots that created them. This
happened a while ago. Over time the existing IP rules will become less
effective and will in many cases be removed.

The new version's GBUdb component will more than compensate for this
loss. In fact the decision to deprecate the IP based rules system was
based in part on the knowledge that the new version would be out soon
to compensate.

Systems that fail to upgrade will see more leakage (increasing over
time) than those that do upgrade to the new system not only because
the new system is more effective but also because the pattern rulebase
is not getting new IP rules.

 2) Is release to production Q4 event??

The current beta has already been an alpha in production environments
for a very long time (especially the critical pieces).

If we don't see any problems with the beta (and none are expected)
then the current code base will be certified for production very
quickly - definitely a Q4 event.

There may be auxiliary elements that are still in flux for a little
longer than that -- such as documentation (which is always an on-going
project) and hopefully installers for some platforms. However, I
expect the actual software will be certified very quickly given it's
history.

Hope this helps,

_M

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Chief Scientist,
Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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[sniffer] New SNF2-9b1.4.MDaemon released.

2007-10-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Sniffer Folks,

The new MDaemon beta (SNF2-9b1.4.MDaemon.zip) is available here:

http://kb.armresearch.com/index.php?title=Message_Sniffer.GettingStarted.Distributions#NEW_SNF_V2-9_Wide_Beta

Those of you who have an alpha version running will want to use the
following from the new beta:

* Use the new DLL.

* Use the new snfmdplugin.xml (be sure to update it correctly from
your existing configuration file).

A number of new features require new or changed configuration
elements. Also the default GBUdb ranges have been altered slightly
from the configuration used in the alpha.

The change log describes the relevant changes to the engine.

Thanks!

_M

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Chief Scientist,
Arm Research Labs, LLC.


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