Re: [Bulk] [RCSE] The posts that meant the most
I too have been a subscriber from the start. The oldest post in my Humor folder is from November, 1995 and I did not save earlier posts. Early on, I realized that there was a lot of good information from real experts so began saving the technical posts in separate folders. Some of the folders were for aerodynamics, electronics, structures, flutter, humor, soaring history, launch equipment, and one just for Joe Wurts posts. The good technical stuff has vanished from RCSE so it won't be the loss it could have been if RCSE had disappeared 10 years ago. I collected some of the best on aerodynamics and structures into a word document for easy reference and it turned out to be over a hundred pages. RC Groups is a poor substitute for what RCSE has been but I suppose I will have to do with what is available. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] A typical post from the good old days
This is a typical post from the good old days when RCSE was young. But like all of us, RCSE declined with age. This is what made RCSE so great. Now all we get is what is the latest and greatest moldy and who won the last contest. Maybe it is time for RCSE to depart. This was the first of several posts Joe made about dynamic soaring. Chuck Anderson From: Joe Wurts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28 May 96 02:35:19 EDT Subject: Dynamic Soaring Status: RO For quite a long time I've heard about dynamic soaring, but have almost never really used it in any operational sense while flying rc gliders. In fact, I've kind of filed it under the Holy Grail category. Just one of those things that you read about. But I've now had a bit of practical experience with it. One of the slopes that I have been flying at has a very pronounced razor back to it (Parker Mountain near Acton CA). What is really neat about it is that the air behind the hill is completely separated. That is, it can be blowing 25 mph on the face, and behind the hill, it is almost calm and sometimes even blowing softly in the opposite direction. It turns out that this is an absolutely perfect set-up for dynamic soaring. All you have to do is fly straight down-wind over the hill into the calm air and turn around. If you want, when you come back over the upwind face, turn around and repeat. With each turn, you get an amazing boost in the energy of the glider.The first time I really played with this was with my Floyd, and on the second go-around I fluttered the wings. The plane will take an extended vertical dive without any possibility of flutter, so I was able to get it to above the terminal velocity of the glider in horizontal flight!!! One thing that is especially wild is when the wind dies down a bit, and you can just stay up in the normal lift in minimum sink mode. Start doing the orbiting for the dynamic soaring and you can get up to about three times the speed that you can when you just fly in the normal slope lift. Wild stuff. What really gets entertaining is when you make a mistake behind the hill. The air is a bit turbulent, and occasionally I miss the air (read: smite the earth). This is where a good foamie comes in handy. I woulda never really investigated this phenomena without a crash-proof plane. If your slope has separated air behind the hill, and you do not mind occasionally crashing while you learn a new trick, give this a try. Caution, I'd recommend trying this maneuver out sometime when you have the hill to yourself. It takes a little getting used to... And a hint, the lower you go on the downwind side, the better off you are (more delta-vee typically). Joe Wurts RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] In Memory of RCSE
Sorry to hear that RCSE is ending soon. RCSE is the ONLY reason I still subscribe to Model Airplane News. I feel that was the least I could do for giving us RCSE. My oldest issue of MAN is dated 1947 and I still have most issues since then. It has been many years since MAN has had anything of interest to me so I will not renew my subscription when it expires. MAN has been slicking up and dumbing down for years until it has sunk to little more than a picture magazine. When I need something to read, I go to the attic and bring down a few issues of MAN, Model Builder, RCM, or Air Trails to read. They are a lot more interesting than anything published today. Model Builder was the last really interesting model magazine. Chuck At 04:15 PM 8/25/2008, you wrote: The time is now for the end of RCSE. RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the 90's. I can't even remember when it started. Some of the online stuff goes back to around 1999, I know I have some stuff back to 1996 and that is definitely not the oldest stuff. Posts to the list have gone down, mostly stuff about events that are happening out there. There hasn't been too much serious discussion in a while and flame wars, well everyone has been civilized. The equipment that the list is running on is aging and it's kind of hard to get excited about a mailing list these days. RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the early 90's. I can't even remember when it started. The computer guys at Airage want to shut the server down as soon as they can. It's not too cool to be running a Windows NT server these days. There are probably other security reasons to shut it down. I don't have a shut down date for RCSE, but expect it to be soon.So if you have any favorite memories, please post them to the list before it goes away. Maybe you can mention your favorite technical guru's discussion, flame war or Sal bashing. And sorry, RCSE won't cover the infamous challenge by Lucas to Joe. Thanks for the memories. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Removing old covering, more info
At 09:49 AM 8/18/2008, you wrote: It's hard to tell what type of covering it is... It's over 40 years old so it can't be any type of iron on, Its not silk, but does apear to be dope based Craig Skyloft was a popular covering material from the late 60s. Skyloft was a nylon mat material that looked a lot like silkspan but was much stronger. It was applied with dope just like silkspan. I used it to cover several RC pattern models between 1969 and 1974 and even covered a free flight wing with skyloft. If you crashed a built up model covered with skyloft, you never needed a trash bag for the parts after a crash. The skyloft served quite well to contain the parts. :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tullahom Fall Soaring Contest
I never heard that one before but have heard many complaints about not flying all classes each day. I quit going to Florida contests when they started flying a different class every day. It was too far to drive for a one day contest. Chuck At 08:52 AM 8/7/2008, you wrote: Some people were complaining about flying multiple models on the same day - so we are trying something different?? Don www.donclevelandrealty.com In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:00:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are we not flying all classes both days as we have been doing for the last 338 years. Chuck At 05:25 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: The Tullahoma, Tn Coffee Airfoilers announce the Fall RC Soaring Contest for RES and Unlimited sailplanes September 13/14 at the club field with pilots meeting scheduled for 9:00 am. We will fly RES on Saturday the 13th and Unlimited on Sunday the 14th. The format will be Man-on-Man task to be determined. Awards: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for each day. Come join us at one of the finest flying sites in the Southeast. CD Don Cleveland: contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] For field information see http://www.cafes.net/herb/ Don www.donclevelandrealty.com -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert- review?ncid=aolaut000517Read reviews on AOL Autos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517Read reviews on AOL Autos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tullahom Fall Soaring Contest
Why are we not flying all classes both days as we have been doing for the last 338 years. Chuck At 05:25 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: The Tullahoma, Tn Coffee Airfoilers announce the Fall RC Soaring Contest for RES and Unlimited sailplanes September 13/14 at the club field with pilots meeting scheduled for 9:00 am. We will fly RES on Saturday the 13th and Unlimited on Sunday the 14th. The format will be Man-on-Man task to be determined. Awards: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for each day. Come join us at one of the finest flying sites in the Southeast. CD Don Cleveland: contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] For field information see http://www.cafes.net/herb/ Don www.donclevelandrealty.com -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517Read reviews on AOL Autos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tullahom Fall Soaring Contest Typo
While the Coffee Airfoilers have been holding sailplane contests for a long time, it's not been quite that long. It should have read for the last 38 years. At 08:00 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: Why are we not flying all classes both days as we have been doing for the last 338 years. Chuck At 05:25 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: The Tullahoma, Tn Coffee Airfoilers announce the Fall RC Soaring Contest for RES and Unlimited sailplanes September 13/14 at the club field with pilots meeting scheduled for 9:00 am. We will fly RES on Saturday the 13th and Unlimited on Sunday the 14th. The format will be Man-on-Man task to be determined. Awards: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for each day. Come join us at one of the finest flying sites in the Southeast. CD Don Cleveland: contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] For field information see http://www.cafes.net/herb/ Don www.donclevelandrealty.com -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517Read reviews on AOL Autos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contests within contests
I have been doing this at all the contests I have run for the last 30 years without problems. Fly the same task with the same task times works without problems, It is a natural. I don't even see a problem flying man-on-man with mixed classes. RES is as capable as Unlimited as far as the duration aspect is concerned. In fact, I usually fly my RES in Unlimited rather that assemble two different models. My Unlimited model serves as my backup when flying in Unlimited. \ Chuck Anderson At 04:44 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote: I am not sure if I posted this idea before, so if I did, give it another thought in the context of the NATs discussions that have happened of late. Has anyone tried contests within contests? We often have classes of flyers segregated by level, but have we done classes of planes within a contest? For example, you run a winch launched contest but capture who is flying ailerons and who is flying RES. So you have an overall winner, an aileron winner and a RES winner without having to run separate contests. Or maybe you run Unlimited but capture the 2M planes as a class within the contest. Has this been done? Seems it would not be all that hard with the right computer software. It would seem to me that it would encourage more people to fly. A person might feel outclassed with their 2M RES against Supras and Pikes, but if they can be recognized in 2M or RES within the contest maybe you get more participation. It will probably need some software revisions but once that is done, the computer manages it. If you use an excel spreadsheet type approach, then add a column for airplane class. You register the pilot and the plane. Stupid idea? Great idea? My experience is limited here so I don't know what has been tried. Best regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] No Nats This Year
Unfortunately, I had to cancel my trip to the Nats this year. It will be the first Nats I have missed since I retired in 1994 and the first I have missed since 1974 for reasons other that I couldn't get off from work. I came close to missing 1997. That year, my eye doctor was carving on my left eye with a laser the morning 2-meter was starting. Even then, my wife drove me to Muncie in time to make one token flight in Nostalgia. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] About CDs collecting model information
I agree. If someone wants a list of what was flown, let them collect the information. The CD has enough to do. On July 12, I expect to CD the Coffee Airfoilers RES contest. This will be the 40th year that I have been the CD for at least one AMA sanctioned contest. I have been the CD for at least one sailplane contest every year since 1971 and even ran a quarter final and a semifinal contest in the 1976 F3B team selection program. I expect to retire as a CD after this years RES contest. Chuck Anderson At 11:19 AM 7/2/2008, you wrote: The CD of a major event is busy enough before, during, and usually wiped out after the event. An extra responsibility like collecting model information is something the CD, usually a volunteer who does not fly the event, probably doesn't need. Ask yourself this question: just exactly what would I do with this information if I had it? Speaking from experience, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [Bulk] [RCSE] Unusally High Reports of Carbon Sliver Removals from World Hospitals Today!
Put a little scratch in the rod and even you will be able to break it. I do not use carbon fiber wing or stab rods because of notch sensitivity. Chuck At 09:12 PM 4/26/2008, you wrote: The new channels were flooded with news of strange snapping sounds being heard around the world from basements and garages, and later hospitals and clinics reported a strange increase in guys with Carbon slivers needing removal So did any of you guys try breaking a 1/8 carbon tube the length of a usual stab axle rod today? Just wondering what your observations about the experiment are? The topic actually inspired me to modify my build on the MPX Cularis kit to use a 1/8 carbon tube for its stab axle, instead of the skinny steel one. Which will break first, the foam stab or the 1/8 carbon stab axle? Gordy -- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851AOL Autos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Snow and Ice at the SWC Today?
Aren't you glad you moved SOUTH to Louisville? :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Snow and Ice at the SWC Today?
Aren't you glad you moved SOUTH to Louisville? :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy!
At 10:21 AM 2/13/2008, you wrote: I guess I don't understand the problems most people have with winter. Sure sunny weather is great but if its sunny all the time when do you build? Here in the PNW it was another great day. It rained all day so I got lots of building done before I headed out to the slope. It was fantastic. One of the best days I've had on the slope in a while. The seenery was beautiful, the conditions were near perfect with moderate winds and temps in the upper 20's. Tomorrow night I'm going back to the slope for some more turns. I just can't get enough of skiing. and you? But the ski boat has trouble with the ice flows. :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)?
For over 25 years, I used a system that prevented launching unless both the transmitter and receiver were own. Basically, it was a capture tow hook that had to be opened by radio to hook the towline to the tow hook and then latched by radio. It was an EK remote release tow hook with a pin at the back that prevented the tow ring from coming off. The EK tow hook was activated by a rigid pushrod. It worked until I ran out of EK tow hooks and began flying models too large for the light weight EK tow hook. In that time, I used Rocket City Proto tow hooks that could not easily be modified to prevent latching with the radio off for Sailaires and larger sailplanes. When using the Protow, I did launch a Sailaire one time with the radio off. I was lucky and retrieved it with no damage after a 45 minute flight. A standard tow hook could be made into a capture tow hook by installing a retractable pin at the back of the tow hook to prevent the tow ring from being attached without the pin being retracted by radio. The pin would also prevent pop offs if left latched until just before starting the zoom. I haven't yet tried this because I am too lazy. Instead I ALWAYS wiggle the controls and see the controls move just before hitting the peddle no matter how many times I have done it after turning the radios on. I did launch with the radio off three times after I quit using capture tow hooks. Chuck Anderson At 08:27 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote: Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time I have witnessed far too many launches where the pilot after the fact admitted that he/she did not turn on the aircraft. Needless to say most of the aircraft were lost or seriously damaged. So in search of a solution I went to a local electronics shop and asked a young guy if he could give me a hand designing a safety component that might help avoid this scenario. Basically we designed a switch with a small tilt sensor and some latching circuitry. The result is this: If you remember to turn on the plane the switch works as expected. The plane powers on and off as it would normally. If you turn OFF the plane and tilt the aircraft in the desired launch angle ( this is set by the pilot) the plane turns ITSELF on and stays on until the circuit is reset by disconnecting / interrupting the battery. The draw is tiny and the circuit and switch itself 1xx .25 or double the size of a typical 20 amp RC switch. I have tested the product in the lab and i know a shop that could likely get the size down to half its current size or close to the size of a standard switch This would of course cost some money out of pocket but I am not sure if the target market is too limited to bother creating this solution for. For the most part, the elite pilots I watch either don't even use a switch or are very disciplined in their launch methodology. The target market is more appropriately general pilots who may be approaching the more senior years as well as new pilots. What do you think people? At your local club have you seen anyone toss an un-powered glider to its death? Would a product like this be of value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more senior members or new eager soaring enthusiasts? David Webb RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: capture towhooks
I only used either the EK Remote Release tow hook which I converted to a capture tow hook for models up to 115 inch span such as the Paragon. These models didn't zoom very well and I could usually do as well by towing as slow as possible to minimize the amount of towline reeled in. Nothing is more hopeless than to zoom a Sailaire so I always towed as slow as possible and used a capture tow hook to avoid popoffs. The only capture tow hook that was strong enough for Sailaire size models was the Rocket City Protow. Ten years ago when I was having eye problems, I flew a Sailaire in Unlimited at the Nats. I towed so slow the winchmaster always made me launch either first or last. As I said before, a conventional tow hook could be made into a capture tow hook by installing a retractable pin at the back of a regular tow hook. The pin would have to be retracted to hook up the tow hook. If this was done with a servo, both the transmitter and receiver would have to be on to hook up. The pin would then be retracted after stabilized in the launch and before starting the zoom so it shouldn't affect the zoom. Chuck Anderson At 06:20 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: Capture tow-hooks don't work well with zoom-launching techniques. Operation of such increases pilot load during arguably the most critical portion of a sailplane flight, seemingly causing a problem rather than solving one. FYI, those older types of (nylon) hooks can bind and not release at high line tension: I know this because I had it happen and destroy a plane. (in combination with a ratcheting winch - another bad idea). For the forgetful, perhaps a Remove-Before-Flight device (flag connected to plug-type switch, etc.) would solve the problem. Using such a device is a no-brainer that requires only a low-tech approach and costs only pennies. Ain't old age wonderful? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Almost as good as flying
At 04:56 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: Aw, c'mon Chuck, you know you miss it...hope to see you at the Gateway Open this year (June 22-23). I don't miss the St. Louis wether. Too cold and snow in the winter and too hot in the summer. I do miss the Gateway Open but won't be able to make it any more. I can still fly my models but She who must be obeyed wont let me drive that far alone since my stroke in 1999 and her back problem makes driving over 4 hours too painful. I try to go to contest that take no longer than 4 hours driving although we did make the Nats last year by taking two days for the 7 hour drive to Muncie. If only the Gateway Open was at O'Fallon, IL instead of O'Fallon, MO. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Good post about team expenses. Much as I dislike the F3X events, I support our teams and try to make a small donation. (Us retired fliers don't have Gordys resources) I also think all donations should be voluntary.Another problem for AMA is the increased number of teams to be supported and the increased number of team support people. As I remember, the team we sent to the first F3B event in 1977 had the three fliers and a manager. How many does it take now? Maybe Skip can provide a more accurate number for that first team since he was there. Chuck At 05:35 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote: I can contribute to this thread. The information is not secret, it is a published document and applies to ALL AMA supported FAI teams and there are quite a few of them, not just F3B/J AND we constitute some of the largest teams. AMA contributes the following to the FAI teams: - $400 to the team fund - this typically is allocated towards the airfare, but can be for any team expense - Entry Fees for all pilots, managers and support staff - FAI registration fees - Banquet costs for all team members - If food is prepared and served on site by the organizers, it is paid for - Lodging for the contest days and 1 day prior and after (These expenses are supported as actual expenses up to 900 Swiss Francs ($832 USD) per team member - not counting the $400 for the airfare) The US F3J team is comprised this year of 7 pilots (including Cody R. the returning Junior WC) Junior and Senior Managers, and 4 tow people for an entourage of 13 people. Last cycle the AMA approved funding for the Junior team manager and 2 separate towers for the junior team, and this cycle they waived their normal policy and are also funding the returning junior WC (who competed in the team selections) so you can see that the AMA is INCREASING their overall support for F3J in particular. Unfortunately costs are very high for this trip. Airfares are nearly double what the fares were to Martin last cycle, and since the flying site is quite some distance from both the airport and the hotels we will have very high ground transportation costs - we will need 3 large vans for all the people and equipment. The total budget for the trip looks like about $45K with AMA supporting about $15K which is about the same as last cycle, so we have huge hill to climb. In previous cycles the soaring community has been very generous and we basically broke even on the last cycle. With the generosity of many people we can hopefully raise enough funds to make the final accounting minimally painful to the pilots and team managers (tower costs are fully reimbursed by the team). I also appreciate the offer of clubs adding a fee to their contests to support the F3J team. However, as desperately as we need the funding, I am not a fan of taxing pilots to support our goals. People need to support the organizations and groups that they choose to support. I would prefer that clubs solicit donations at their events to support the team. I am all for specific fundraising events where pilots attend specifically to support the team. I will be preparing a brochure that you can print and pass out for raffle sales, merchandise sale and donations at your events, I hope to have that done this weekend. I am very optimistic that our supporters will again come through and help us send a thoroughly prepared team to Turkey with nothing to worry about except winning the golds!!! Thanks to all of our sponsors and supporters again Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Mid South
Wonder if they have the Soccer Moms under control this time. They didn't the last time the Mid South was in Atlanta. Chuck At 05:11 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote: Yes. In Atlanta. They (the Atlanta guys) were gonna have it here in Tullahoma, and then found/decided to use the Atlanta site. Brian Smith - Original Message - From: Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [RCSE] Mid South I hear Mid South will be held over Memorial Day weekend. What I have not heard is where. Has this been decided? Mark Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contests format.
At 04:32 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: In 1971, the North Bay Soaring Society (NBSS) hosted a three task contest in Santa Rosa, Calif. with tasks almost identical to F3B. Regis The 1979 LSF Tournament in Lockport, IL also used the three task format. I flew in that one and didn't like it any better than I did when I flew F3B in 1976. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
I have another original under way. It is a development of the LilAn that I developed over the last two years but incorporating some things I was experimenting with 30 years ago. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
The original English version was fun but not the FAI version unless you have two healthy linebackers for towers. And the mass launches are great for midairs. Almost like watching the start of a F1 race. Chuck Anderson At 07:51 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: From the FAI web page. The second sentence fascinates me. F3J - Thermal Duration Gliders This class is very popular as it is a single task event with simple rules. The competitors try to keep their models aloft for exactly 10 minutes and land as close as possible to a designated spot. Launching the model is achieved by hand towing, where two persons with a 150m-monofilament line pull the model. Pilots are divided in groups, after a matrix schedule, so that during the preliminary or qualifying rounds, they compete against as many as possible of the other pilots. Then the top pilots fly in a single group the Final or Fly-Off rounds, which determine the winner. Excuse my ignorance I am new to the world of soaring. Are they launching like this in international competition? Sounds fun. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contests format.
At 08:49 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: It's been a long time since I flew it, but Triathalon seemed like a challenging event for contests. Anyone still flying that? Ron I think that Triathalon is the best contest event I have ever flown. Modern models and superstrong launch equipment make it less of a challenge that it did when it was designed back in 1976 but it is still good. I would like MOM better if it used triathalon scoring instead of normalizing scores. I think that a great event would be to assign a launch time for each round for every flier before the contest starts but it would be impossible to run because of winch and weather problems. But I can dream can't I. :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contests format.
Left out an important part of the last sentence. Why can't I catch errors like before hitting the send button. :( Chuck At 08:49 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: It's been a long time since I flew it, but Triathalon seemed like a challenging event for contests. Anyone still flying that? Ron I think that Triathalon is the best contest event I have ever flown. Modern models and superstrong launch equipment make it less of a challenge that it did when it was designed back in 1976 but it is still good. I would like MOM better if it used triathalon scoring instead of normalizing scores. I think that a great event would be triathalon with and assigned launch time for each round for every flier before the contest starts but it would be impossible to run because of winch and weather problems. But I can dream can't I. :) Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
This modern generation seems to think everybody has to win. Cheat if necessary but win. I don't feel that way. Winning isn't necessary but competition is. I don't look at who beat me. I look at all the people I beat. Placing 17th in unlimited at the Nats with a Sailaire against all the moldies was almost as good as winning and I did beat a lot of them. Chuck At 10:19 AM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Since it seems we need to make it interesting for the next generation to participate in our hobby, perhaps we should just hand out participation ribbons to everyone? Or perhaps the Top 3rd get a Blue Ribbon, Middle 3rd get Red Ribbons, and the last 3rd or thermalling challenged get White Ribbons. LOL Everybody wins and nobody should be offended. Jeeez, what's this world coming to. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Delays on posts from rcgroups.com (was :RE: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...)
Thanks for the screening. I appreciate it. And, by the way, I think you meant to say that screening is done to ensue that spam is NOT posted. :) But I got the message. Chuck Anderson At 11:28 AM 1/9/2008, you wrote: RCSE sends posts from people directly subscribed to the list immediately to all those on the list. If you receive RCSE through a forwarder or post from a web based forum (such as rcgroups.com), those posts need to be screened by one of the moderators before it will be posted to the subscribers. This is all done to ensure that SPAM and other off-topic posts are sent to everyone on RCSE. The downside is that the moderators (Mike L and myself) have lives, and don't always get around to approving posts. When there is a delay, this is why. -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
At 06:29 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: Interesting twist on seeded MoM. But one of the things I always enjoyed in this contest format was getting a good burial in a contest. Jim This is the thing I hate most about MOM. I never liked the idea of shafting a fellow competitor. It always seemed to me to be unethical. The other thing I don't like about seeded MOM is normalizing the scores. The idea of giving one man 1000 points for a flight while giving another flier half as many points for flying twice as long in a different group is morally wrong. I have seen this happen. In seeded MOM, normalizing isn't needed. That's already done by making you fly against your peers. Normalizing may be more beneficial when seeding isn't possible. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 14th Anniversary
Today is the fourteenth anniversary of my meeting Gordy. It was on a cold January day in 1995 that I got a call from Gordy Stahl. He said that he was passing through and would like to meet me. I couldn't remember anybody named Gordy but said OK. I then looked into my records and found that a few years earlier I had sold him an early version of my Airfoil Plot program. It is almost impossible to give directions to my house to anybody not familiar with Tullahoma so I said to give me a call when he got off the Interstate and I would meet him at the model airplane field. Gordy was driving a pickup towing a long long trailer carrying some earth moving machinery. I live way back in the woods on a narrow driveway but some how Gordy made it my drive without hitting any oak trees. Fortunately I have a circle drive in front of my house so he didn't have to turn that rig around because I didn't have 40 acres. I assumed that Gordy wanted to talk about airfoils and plotting software but it turned out that he wanted to see my models. I had just finished restoring my Corvette and my shop was still cluttered with car tools so most of my models were in storage and I didn't have anything to show. We discussed flying and Gordy remarked that he didn't like contests because he didn't like spending a whole day for only a few flights. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38? Gordy Does it again !!
At 08:30 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: 2.4g for me, is very exciting, can't wait till I get one, however, I am not in a real big rush. My 72 Mhz, Airtronics, Mpx 4000, and JR 9303 Stuff works very well, My Futuba stuff is in a box in the corner, and I can afford to sit back and watch what shakes out of the whole mixture. I agree with Jack except that I have converted my backup Evo to 2.4 in order to experiment with 2.4. I refuse to go back to plastic porcupines just to get 2.4 so my only choice was to use XPS. XPS does not yet offer an end plug receiver that will fit in my sailplanes so I have flown my XPS only in an old model that I keep for flight testing radio equipment. No need to rush since my Evo with Hitec Superslime receivers still does everything I need and there are no local fliers on my frequency. I may convert some of my sailplanes when suitable receivers become available but see no need to rush out and buy more 2.4 receivers before I have to. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] line tension
At 01:18 PM 12/23/2007, you wrote: So Chuck, Tell us how the tension limiter worked and how well it worked. What were the good points and problems? Could such a scheme be used effectively today? The Jam/Feb 1977 issue of Sailplane contained an article by Chet Tuthill describing the winch system developed by Jim Robinson and other members of the Coffee Airfoilers model airplane club. The tension limiter was a major part of that article. The tension limiter was a separate base for the standard winch. For normal flying, the winch was removed from the base and used like any other winch. The base for the winch had a pivot just ahead of the CG of the winch and battery and had a microswitch at the rear of the platform. The tension limiter switch was wired in series with the foot peddle. A spring held the platform against the switch until line tension caused the platform to rock forward opening the tension limiter switch. When line tension decreased, the spring forced the platform aft closing the switch. The inertia of the winch and battery gave a very smooth pulsing when launching larger models if the contestant held the foot peddle down and let the winch do the pulsing. The tension limiter proved to be very reliable and we used if for many years. As usual, there ain't no free lunch. The tension limiter winch took a few minutes longer to set up but the considerable reduction in broken lines made it worth while. The tension limiter was set by attaching a 25 pound spring scale to the tow ring and the bolt compressing the spring was screwed down until the desired pull was reached with the foot peddle held down. We checked the tension limiter between rounds and adjusted as necessary to maintain a contestant pull. The winch and turnaround were both mounted on the ground so the tension usually changed as the dew on the grass evaporated. Mounting the winch and turnaround off the ground would reduce this problem. After a few years, we began receiving complaints about not being able to zoom so in order to satisfy those who came to zoom instead of thermal, we added a bypass switch. If the contestant chose to bypass the tension limiter, NO RELAUNCHES were permitted for broken tow lines. A few people had trouble taping the peddle while the tension limiter was cycling. These fliers could usually get better launches by putting the metal to the metal and letting the tension limiter do the tapping. Fliers with Oly II's and similar models didn't notice any difference from normal winches. We finally got tired of listening to complaints about not being able to get good zooms so discontinued using the tension limiter and went to heavier towlines. The original tension limiter base is still rusting in the weeds behind my shed in the woods behind my house. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] line tension
This afternoon, I went out in the woods behind my garage and dug out the original tension limiter winch base and brushed off the leaves to take some photographs. The base is rusty and the wiring is shot but could be refurbished with a little sand blasting, painting, and replace the wiring. I posted the photos on RC Groups for those who would like to know what it looked like. Chuck Anderson At 09:50 AM 12/24/2007, you wrote: We ran one of those in Cincinnati, for years, It was mine that I had built, from the plans, that I think I still have. We quit using it for the very reasons that Chuck has stated. I ended up giving the frame away...Damn it was 30 years ago -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re JW/NZ Quake
I last talked to Joe at the Nats last summer. At that time, he said that they would be leaving for New Zealand the week after Visalia and I saw that his scores at Visalia were posted on the internet. Chuck Anderson At 09:23 AM 12/21/2007, you wrote: His last main event in the US was at the June XC event at Montague this year. He won everything. I'm pretty sure I saw him at Visalia this year. I could be wrong, I spent a lot of time at the beer tent. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:line breaks
I must agree with Brian. My first winch used a two inch diameter welded aluminum drum on a standard 12 volt Ford starter motor with a 12 volt battery. The two inch drum didn't produce enough line speed to break lines so easy and we used much smaller lines. We finally switched to larger drums when contestants began complaining about lack of power for good zooms. What they were really complaining about was the lack of line speeds. Unfortunately, the man who fabricated our drums is no longer with us and we never found another fabricator who could produce good welds and the end plates frequently broke. I still have the winch I built in 1972 with the welded aluminum 2 inch drum. We took it out last year and did a few launches and everybody was amazed at how much softer and smoother the launches were when compared to our standard winches. Maybe we should regulate the winch drum diameter. Chuck Anderson At 09:51 AM 12/21/2007, you wrote: With all due respect I disagree Jeff. At our local field when we launch to the north, it takes all the line off the drum.. We get much softer, less powerful launches.. As opposed to when we launch to the south we still have approximately half the winch line left on the drum at the time of launch and the launches are much more aggressive/powerful and all the broken lines and broken models come at the south side.. Just My observations here in Tullahoma.. Brian Smith - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: [RCSE] Winch/Sharon Charlie less drum diameter will lead to more line breaks. Since you have more torque you can now crank more turns in and break the line easier. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] line tension
I did and used such a winch over 30 years ago. Chuck Anderson At 02:40 PM 12/21/2007, you wrote: There have been various proposals about limiting winch current via a series resistor, but nobody has mentioned directly governing line tension. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End
AS my friend said when I called his Sailaire ugly, They are all pretty when specked out. But that was back in the day when soaring was the objective. :) Chuck Anderson At 10:04 AM 12/13/2007, you wrote: Mr. Perkins' comment, the High End is pretty, only proves the old adage, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's pretty much common knowledge that the days of beautiful sailplanes ended with the last Dodgson design. Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 GHz
I agree that the Evo is the best available transmitter for most sailplanes. Since Hitec, Futaba, and JR make transmitters that are capable of doing what I need, my choice is based on feel and balance as well as programming methods. I still remember the disgusting feel I had when I tried to get used to my first JR plastic porcupine transmitter. Awkward feel and balance with all the switches in the wrong places with no way to put them where they belong. My aluminum box transmitters had a much better feel and balance and I could put the switches where I needed rather than where someone else decided they should be. My first programmable transmitter was a Micropro and I understood the logic behind the programming. Never did understand the logic behind the random selections of buttons and the correct sequence to accomplish what I wanted to do in my Airtronics, Futaba, and Hitec transmitters and I always had to have the manual when I went to change anything. In 1933, I had a booth next Karlton at Visalia and he tried to sell me on his pizza box transmitters but I preferred my single stick Micropro. By 2001, Micropro was long out of business and I was using a Hitec transmitter when I had a radio problem at Visalia. After the first day, Karlton talked me into trying a Cockpit MM. Five minutes into the first flight the next day, Karlton sold me a radio. The Cockpit had absolutely the best feel and balance of any two stick transmitter I have ever used. I promptly sold all my Futaba and Hitec transmitters except for one that I kept for models that needed more that the Cockpit could provide. I ordered an Evo the day Karlton announced that he was accepting orders. It took over a year but I received one of the first Evos that were imported into the US and I promptly sold my last Hitec. The Evo has so much better ergonomics and programming than anything else available today that I can't see ever changing unless both my Evos quit working and new ones are longer available. My backup Evo has been converted to 2.4 with XPS and test flown in the old model I use for testing new and repaired radios. I am now waiting for end pin receivers to convert all my models to XPS. Chuck PS. I still feel the Cockpit MM has the best ergonomics of any transmitter I have ever flown. At 07:09 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: I tried to respond to Jack Iafret's posting but got bounced by the system so I am posting this separately. I agree with Jack that the Profi has very powerful programming. However, I traded mine for 2 - 12 Ch Evos because, for me, the programming is even easier, although with a few less options (most of which I would never use), and because the Evo has a much better geometry/weight for hand launch. I have been flying the Evo for several years in TD, F5J, F5B, hand launch and a couple of electric sport planes and helicopters. XPS offers a great, easy to install 2.4 GHz module for the Evo (and Profi for that matter). I have been using the XPS 2.4 Ghz system in a F5J Graphite with a good bit of carbon in the fuselage. It seems to work great so far. XPS now has 8 and 10 Ch full range receivers. They are coming out with end pin versions of these as well as top and end pin 12 Ch receivers. For all the gliders the end pin receiver will be a very positive addition. I won't comment on the schedule for these new receivers because that is one of the more frustrating things about dealing with XPS. The 2.4 GHz components from XPS that I do have though work great and I get to keep the Evo programming. I will wait a little longer for end pin receivers before I switch to a 9303. Bruce T. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2.4 GHz back in 1933
Two 3s instead of two 9s sure makes a difference. :) Chuck At 10:18 AM 12/5/2007, you wrote: Wow, in 1933 it must have just been you and Karlton out in the middle of no where. You guys were way ahead of the times. LOL Occasionally/often frustrated; ...never defeated... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:40:02 -0600 To: soaring@airage.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] 2.4 GHz I agree that the Evo is the best available transmitter for most sailplanes. Since Hitec, Futaba, and JR make transmitters that are capable of doing what I need, my choice is based on feel and balance as well as programming methods. I still remember the disgusting feel I had when I tried to get used to my first JR plastic porcupine transmitter. Awkward feel and balance with all the switches in the wrong places with no way to put them where they belong. My aluminum box transmitters had a much better feel and balance and I could put the switches where I needed rather than where someone else decided they should be. My first programmable transmitter was a Micropro and I understood the logic behind the programming. Never did understand the logic behind the random selections of buttons and the correct sequence to accomplish what I wanted to do in my Airtronics, Futaba, and Hitec transmitters and I always had to have the manual when I went to change anything. In 1933, I had a booth next Karlton at Visalia and he tried to sell me on his pizza box transmitters but I preferred my single stick Micropro. By 2001, Micropro was long out of business and I was using a Hitec transmitter when I had a radio problem at Visalia. After the first day, Karlton talked me into trying a Cockpit MM. Five minutes into the first flight the next day, Karlton sold me a radio. The Cockpit had absolutely the best feel and balance of any two stick transmitter I have ever used. I promptly sold all my Futaba and Hitec transmitters except for one that I kept for models that needed more that the Cockpit could provide. I ordered an Evo the day Karlton announced that he was accepting orders. It took over a year but I received one of the first Evos that were imported into the US and I promptly sold my last Hitec. The Evo has so much better ergonomics and programming than anything else available today that I can't see ever changing unless both my Evos quit working and new ones are longer available. My backup Evo has been converted to 2.4 with XPS and test flown in the old model I use for testing new and repaired radios. I am now waiting for end pin receivers to convert all my models to XPS. Chuck PS. I still feel the Cockpit MM has the best ergonomics of any transmitter I have ever flown. At 07:09 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: I tried to respond to Jack Iafret's posting but got bounced by the system so I am posting this separately. I agree with Jack that the Profi has very powerful programming. However, I traded mine for 2 - 12 Ch Evos because, for me, the programming is even easier, although with a few less options (most of which I would never use), and because the Evo has a much better geometry/weight for hand launch. I have been flying the Evo for several years in TD, F5J, F5B, hand launch and a couple of electric sport planes and helicopters. XPS offers a great, easy to install 2.4 GHz module for the Evo (and Profi for that matter). I have been using the XPS 2.4 Ghz system in a F5J Graphite with a good bit of carbon in the fuselage. It seems to work great so far. XPS now has 8 and 10 Ch full range receivers. They are coming out with end pin versions of these as well as top and end pin 12 Ch receivers. For all the gliders the end pin receiver will be a very positive addition. I won't comment on the schedule for these new receivers because that is one of the more frustrating things about dealing with XPS. The 2.4 GHz components from XPS that I do have though work great and I get to keep the Evo programming. I will wait a little longer for end pin receivers before I switch to a 9303. Bruce T. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_powerofwindows_112007Power up! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL
Re: [RCSE] FOR SALE Multiplex Cockpit Radio
I have owned two Multiplex MM and still have one for my RES models. It is my favorite radio and it would still be my primary sailplane radio if it only had Crow. I wish my Evo was in the Cockpit MM case. Chuck Anderson At 07:57 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: BLOWING OUT THE 72Mhz Stuff This is a cute little radio Selling for $85 includes shipping CONUS and a great deal if you snooze on this one!!! you will loose Radio in excellent condition comes with manual and special charge plug to fit Sirius charger JR/Airtronics shift smokinjoe Usage: Air Channels: 7 Modulation: FM Frequency: 72MHz Computerized: Yes General Specs: - Trainer Mode: Both - Mode Select: Yes - 9 Models - Model Copy Controls and Trim: - DigitalTrim - Trim Reset - Trim Memory - 7 Channel Servo Reverse - 1 Slide Controls Special Functions: - 15 Mixes - Limited Dual Rates - Limited Exponential Display Warning: - LCD Display - Timer Applications: - Electric Helicopters - Sport - Standard Airplane Acrobatic Functions - Aileron Differential - Aileron to Rudder Mixing - Air Brake Control - Elevon Function - Flap to Elevator - Flapperon Function - V-Tail Function Helicopter Functions - Hover Throttle - Idle Up - Offsets - Pitch Trim - Swash Select - Swash Throttle Mix Joe Rodriguez Surf City Automotive Group mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 714-322-4926 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.
That is about how long it takes me to get my 132 inch span RES model ready to fly after I get to the field. The model fits in my van ready to fly except that the outer wing panels have to be plugged in and taped on. The model was designed with a 3 piece wing with a 48 inch center wing that will fit in my van when bolted to the fuselage. If someone has a winch set up, it takes me longer that that to get from my van to the winch. If Brian Smith is there, he often has my model assembled by the time I get out of the van. :) Chuck At 01:29 AM 12/3/2007, you wrote: Everybody has good points but listen to this. I place my 2 or 3 DLG's in the back of my minivan, assembled and ready to fly. The one I want to fly first is charging as I drive to the field. I get to the field, put my card on the board and am flying 180 seconds later. Admitedly, sometimes there is very little low level lift, but other than that, Beat that! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Okay so I have two tasks left for LSF5..You?
At 11:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: GR and 8 Hour... About a third of the way through the CSS Silver Program. Lets hear about where you are in your tasks to complete LSF5 and CSS. Those of you at other levels, start your own thread :-) Gordy Louisville, nice weather today, warm, light winds. One fourth the way through Level V since 1996 and I will stay there. Completed level V wins in 1996 but will never stand on a slope for 8 hours so won't bother with the 2 hour thermal and goal and return. I knew that I would not stand on a slope for 8 hours when I started back in 1972 so I quit trying after achieving level IV in 1976. I didn't try for the level V wins but they just happened in the next 20 years. What I remember most about those 20 years was when I won, there were less than 20 contestants and when there were over 20 contestants, I had a lot of seconds. Since I had no intention of completing level V, I didn't worry about it. It was all for fun anyway. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I Beat Gordy - Tangerine 06 Buttons....IF Huntsville, Tullahoma, Georgia,VA,
All plus I don't like driving on I75 on holiday weekends. Chuck Anderson At 08:50 AM 11/4/2006, you wrote: What are you saying Chuck? Don't like driving 12 hours? Don't like traveling through Atlanta? Or Don't like Man on Man? :-) Steve At 02:13 PM 11/3/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: At 10:55 AM 11/3/2006, you wrote: Hi guys, I'll be talking to Ben Wilson (inventor publisher of the coveted world wide I Beat Gordy buttons)...to cook some special edition buttons for the Florida Tangerine ChampionshipBUT I am on a quest to get my 20+ man contests in for my LSF5 journey SO I need everyone to come! This is a Man on Man, Seeded, RES, 2m, Unlimited event with a special added mini event at the enda Fly Off! Simple L4 landings, so what not to gas up for? Come on USA, make your plan for the weekend following Thanksgiving! Yes you too John Stone, and Bubba, and Randy and Clevelands and Chuck and well everyone! See you there! Gordy Sorry but I won't be driving 12 hours on I75 through Atlanta on a holiday weekend to fly on a man on man contest. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I Beat Gordy - Tangerine 06 Buttons....IF Huntsville, Tullahoma, Georgia,VA,
At 10:55 AM 11/3/2006, you wrote: Hi guys, I'll be talking to Ben Wilson (inventor publisher of the coveted world wide I Beat Gordy buttons)...to cook some special edition buttons for the Florida Tangerine ChampionshipBUT I am on a quest to get my 20+ man contests in for my LSF5 journey SO I need everyone to come! This is a Man on Man, Seeded, RES, 2m, Unlimited event with a special added mini event at the enda Fly Off! Simple L4 landings, so what not to gas up for? Come on USA, make your plan for the weekend following Thanksgiving! Yes you too John Stone, and Bubba, and Randy and Clevelands and Chuck and well everyone! See you there! Gordy Sorry but I won't be driving 12 hours on I75 through Atlanta on a holiday weekend to fly on a man on man contest. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lithium Ion batteries
Why do so many people want to put a fire bomb in a transmitter or in a model other than electric? The NiMh batteries in my Evo will last about four times longer than I will ever fly in one day. If, by chance, I do fly longer than normal, then I will simply recharge the transmitter with the SiriusCharge mounted in my van. In fact, I normally use the SiriusCharge to charge my transmitter and model on the way to the field so I always start with a full charge. I haven't been very happy with the service I have gotten with the NiMh and Li-ion batteries in my cameras and computers so I have decided to stick to Nicads for my model and replace the NiMh battery in my Evo with a 1100 mah Nicad battery when the existing battery dies. I will only have enough battery to fly three times more than normal but I can live with that. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lithium Ion batteries
I first used Nicads in a model in 1963 and in my transmitters shortly after. I have plug and forget chargers and battery testers for my equipment. I have no need for more advanced technology that can start fires if misused. Anything that stores power has the potential of starting a fire but Nicads can't fuel the fire. If I have a need for new technology, then I will use it but I see no need to use something just because it is new technology. After all, I was using Nicads for my airborne power packs long before most modelers. Chuck Anderson t 01:47 PM 10/20/2006, you wrote: An accurate statement would be why do folks not follow instructions, and use due diligence with new technology? It certainly is not the battery or packs fault when they fail... Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom Quoting Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do so many people want to put a fire bomb in a transmitter or in a model other than electric? The NiMh batteries in my Evo will last about four times longer than I will ever fly in one day. If, by chance, I do fly longer than normal, then I will simply recharge the transmitter with the SiriusCharge mounted in my van. In fact, I normally use the SiriusCharge to charge my transmitter and model on the way to the field so I always start with a full charge. I haven't been very happy with the service I have gotten with the NiMh and Li-ion batteries in my cameras and computers so I have decided to stick to Nicads for my model and replace the NiMh battery in my Evo with a 1100 mah Nicad battery when the existing battery dies. I will only have enough battery to fly three times more than normal but I can live with that. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
I don't worry about it. :-) I don't think I have flown more than one or two such contests in the last 20 years. Back in the days when we flew a lot of three-for-15, the final round was the only time we had to worry about odd target times was in the last round. When I had fly an odd target time, I adjusted the 30 second key point and flew a normal pattern without a countdown. In those days, I could normally hit the target time within 2 or 3 seconds without a countdown if I hit the 30 second point. Since then, my landing skills have decreased and the competition is much better so I still don't have to worry about hitting the target time. :-) Chuck Anderson At 10:37 AM 10/19/2006, you wrote: What happens when you have to do a time like 6:53? Such as a contest where an add up total flight time occurs. Our yearly Turkey shoot because of a weighted time formula, target times do not necessarily end up on the whole minute. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:42 PM 10/17/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: Glad I don't have a problem finding a stopwatch. I don't fly hand launch and I don't countdown for the landing. Thirty five years ago, we didn't have fancy countdown watches so I learned to land counting up for the last minute. My landing pattern is opposite the touchdown point at 30, turn base at 40, roll out on final at 50, and touch down at 60. I paid $6 for my last stopwatch at Walmart. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Have you noticed that all the Holiday Inn experts on those forums have shut since he demonstrated them at a recent event. Chuck Anderson At 03:38 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Yep. He is all over several forums. He maintains that his system is the be all, end all of SS. As of today the only public demonstration has been in a foamy and a 29% Giles (electric). He makes some fascinating claims but as of yet has not provided any real proof beyond his own unverified claims. Jack Dubich wrote: Has anyone seen or heard of Extreme Power Systems. www.extremepowersystems.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
At 07:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Jim, I am also a Hitec/Multiplex dealer, and I have good pricing and service :-) George And the best charger for Multiplex transmitters. I have two, one for my van and one for the shop as well as a Super Test Pro for cycling the batteries. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
Glad I don't have a problem finding a stopwatch. I don't fly hand launch and I don't countdown for the landing. Thirty five years ago, we didn't have fancy countdown watches so I learned to land counting up for the last minute. My landing pattern is opposite the touchdown point at 30, turn base at 40, roll out on final at 50, and touch down at 60. I paid $6 for my last stopwatch at Walmart. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Last War Story
This post concludes the war stories about my experiences in flying while serving in the Air Force and Air National Guard. These stories began almost 10 years ago when I posted a story about flying a C124 in a strong mountain wave to a thread about mountain waves. I am now out of stories. Thanks to all the compliments I have received about the stories. At the Nats last summer, I talked to a few who missed part 1 of the current story. If anyone would like a Word document of the complete unabridged story, send me an email address. This is the third part of a story I wrote about flying target for training F86D pilots. Part 1 posted here a few months ago covered the initial climb out to altitude and the view of the stars on a moonless night above an overcast while part two covered the actual high altitude intercept. This story covers the end of the mission and has a little more action. This story was extracted from a story I wrote titled The Face of God and took place in February, 1956. Chuck Anderson The second high altitude mission hand been canceled and I was ordered to descend to 25,000 feet to fly target for students just learning to fly intercepts. Fun time was over and the real work was just starting. The visibility was technically 5 miles in haze but I was having trouble seeing the fighters more than one minute to go. Part of the problem was the lack of a horizon. This required me to spend more time scanning instruments leaving less time for observing the fighters. The fighters didn't have that problem since the radar scope displayed sufficient information to fly intercepts without reference to instruments. One of the students was very timid and his intercepts and were always getting dragged into a tail chase while the other was very aggressive and set up ahead of the beam. After each had completed his first intercept, I mentally tagged them Casper and Tiger. On his third pass, Tiger got too far ahead and did not start drifting aft fast enough after the 20 seconds to go call. I called off the intercept while rolling down and away from the fighter while Tiger pulled up and turned into the target as briefed to maximum miss distance. I had trouble picking up Tiger on his next pass but finally saw him up just as he called 20 seconds to go. He was way ahead of the beam and not drifting aft at all so I called break and started a sharp turn down and away from Tiger. Tiger was still holding the same angle off the nose as his red wing tip light moved down while his green wing tip light moved up. He wasn't pulling up as briefed. Collision course! At the last second, I pulled the stick back into my stomach and Tiger passed under me. There was a sharp THUMP as Tiger's wing tip hit my T33 somewhere aft. I immediately reached down and checked that I had removed the right seat armrest safety pin. At least I could bail out if necessary. I leveled the plane and it responded normally to control inputs. I then looked out to my left and saw Tiger below me in a rolling dive. I was surprised that he was still so close and realized that checking the seat pin and leveling the airplane had only taken a couple of seconds. My first impression was that Tiger was going in! Just as this thought flashed through my mind, Tiger stopped rolling and leveled off. I turned my attention back to my own plane and set about evaluating the damage. I throttled back and slowed to 175 knots. There were no unusual vibrations or noise and the airplane response to control inputs was normal. So far, so good but I know Tiger hit me. Is the tail hanging on by a single bolt or what? The controller was issuing instructions to set us up for the next intercept when Tiger informed him that we just had a midair collision! Control then asked about my status. I responded that the airplane appeared to be flying normally so far. The controller then gave me the heading for Tyndall and ask me to contact Tyndall Approach Control. Approach asked me to confirm that I had an emergency. I said that I had an emergency with unknown damage from a mid-air collision. Approach then wanted to know if I had performed a controllability check. I replied negative and said that everything felt normal and to stand by for a controllability check. Gear and flaps up or down for the controllability check? Tiger had passed just under my right wing but I had no way of knowing where he hit my plane or if there was any damage to the wing flaps or landing gear doors. Also, I didn't want to retract the gear once it was down. Therefore, I decided to do a clean controllability check and execute a no flap landing. I reduced power and let the airspeed slowly decay to 140 knots. That's slow enough! I can do a no flaps landing at that speed if required. Then I advanced power until the airspeed was back up to 175 knots and informed approach control of my intention
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
At 05:50 AM 9/17/2006, you wrote: The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Open contest at the Polo Field had over 100 pilots. That was only 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now finding even 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T Don't forget that the LSF was formed in the late 60's and there were fewer real experts back then. We were all beginners.I was thinking of the slope and cross country tasks. All were definitely doable in the East but would the members of the ECSS have set a different set of tasks more suited to East coast conditions there rather than slope sites like Tory Pines and the wide open spaces of much of California? Much of what is now Silicon Valley was still farms and orchards as late as 1970. I remember flying pattern ships on a model field near the Lockheed Missile Plant there. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Oh What A Ride, Extra 300 That Is
I really enjoyed this. Chuck At 10:10 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: For the purests that are discussing the LSF right now, sorry, I have to write about this. For the rest of us that are bored stiff, something to read. I work for a company that sells a lot of Klein Tools, like we are the second/third largest distributors in the U.S. Well, if you have not seen it, KT sponsors a gentleman by the name of Michael Mancuso, who lives on Long Island and flies an Extra 300 at events and many of the IRL races the KT's also has a large vested interest in. You can find info on Mike at www.mmairshow.com and you can see the ship there. Well last fall, my two direct bosses got to take about 15 minute rides each in the ship in SC and had a great time, they new I was very jealous. There time frame was short so there was no way I could get there. Well, our KT rep said that if I was going to be where Mike was this summer sometime, to let him know and he would see what he could do to get me a ride. Well, the SOAR guys Fred contest was the same weekend as the IRL race in Joliet IL and I checked to see if I could go. Well, after about a month of waiting, the Tuesday before the Fred, the call came to meet Mike at Joliet Airport on Friday at 1:00. I was there at 11:00 to make sure. About 12:15 he overflew the field and then made the approach and landed, I met them on the ramp at shutdown, his first words were, You're not ready or anything are you ? Well, duh! Well, we shot the stuff for a while talking about my flying background, RC soaring, and my father. A young man was with him and he asked Mike if he wanted the stick out of the front seat, he said no and I knew this was shaping up real well. We took off to the east, and he said, do you know where your field is that you are flying at, I said sure and he said take it and take us there. The contest was to be held west of Plainfield IL so we moved to PLF and then west and in nothing flat were over the field. Well, there were a few cars down there and I could see a winch and a ship or two on the ground, nothing in the air. I said this was the place and he said are you ready for some stuff, of course I said. There is no formal aerobatic box in the area and Mike said this was as good a place as any. Well, off we went, four point roll, immelemens, loops, full roll rate rolls, eight points, tail slides, snaps, 6G pulls all with the smoke on. My guts were going everywhere, but holding together. After what seemed like a lot of stuff, he told me to take it back and catch my breath, then he let me do a roll, and full rudder turn. Compared to the pitch and roll axis, the yaw axis took a lot of umph, the other two, you could breath that way and it was going there. The ship flies very nice and is not twitchy per se, but it definately has major authority in power and pitch and roll. After about 30 minutes of flying, he told to head back to Joliet and I figured he would take the ship somewhere along the way. We kept on going, I asked if he wanted a me to set up on a left down wind, it was an afirmative and to get to 1700' indicated pattern altitude. So I kept on trucking and when we had passed the end of the active and nothing was said, I went ahead and started a turn to base and final. About 2/3 of the way around Mike comes on a says to start feeding in some right rudder, for a slip ( a pretty major one by my experiences) and he told to me maintain 90 indicated on final approach. At this point I am still thinking he is going to take the ship finally, I have never even been close to landing a tail dragger in my life, much less land anything in years. We keep on going and at about 50' he tells to let off the rudder and start a flair and we preoceeded to make a full stall landing touching down on the tail whell first. Mike took it back when he applied the brakes an that was the end of my ride. We pulled up to the ops building and shut down, standing up and stepping off the ship was the only time I felt like I could have blown the load, but I just took my time and we all proceeded to the building. It took about 5-6 hours to feel somewhat normal again, when you are not in shape for it, aero hurts a bit. We talked for a while more and then they took off for University Airport in Boling Brook where they were hangered for the weekend. After they left, I went out to the field to see if the guys were still there, you get a recording of the flight on DVD, but something like this is way better if your buds see it. Rich and Pat were there and I asked if anything cool had happened, Oh nothing much and said really, and then Rich saw me smile and he said that was you wasn't and I said yes. He said there was no way that someone that did not know about them would have done that right over their heads, and I said I wanted to let them in on my fun. Mike asked me if I had always wanted a ride in a 300
[RCSE] LSF Discussion
I have been following this discussion with interest and some good ideas have been advanced, however I have seen no discussion of the two most important items. Who will do the work and how will it be financed. I have been a member of LSF since 1972 and joined the old East Coast Soaring Society about the same time. I have observed the troubles encountered by both organizations. Perhaps a little history will help some of the younger generation understand my concerns. LSF was founded in 1969 by a lCalifornia group after an earlier attempt had failed. It was a volunteer group that had no dues or funding source other than a request for postage stamps and entry fees from an LSF tournament. LSF rapidly expanded to a world wide organization that soon led to burnout of the founding group. In 1973, control of the LSF was passed to Dan Pruss and others around Chicago IL. Things struggled along until Dans death in 1986 and the LSF also almost died shortly after. Bob Steel rescued the records and, with Mike Stump, Cal Posthuma and a few other dedicated Midwest LSF members, revived the LSF. They also revived the LSF tournament in 1992 to finance the LSF. The last LSF tournament was held at Muncie in 1994. Mike Stump worked out an agreement with AMA to run the Soaring events at the AMA Nats starting in 1995 and share income from the entry fees. LSF finally had finally solved the funding problem. Prior to 1976, soaring was not an official AMA event. In 1973, AMA established a Soaring Advisory Committee to establish soaring as an official event. The Soaring Advisory Committee recognized the National Soaring Society (formally East Coast Soaring Society) as the soaring special interest group in 1974 and turned over most of its functions to that group. NSS soon ran into the same problems as LSF: Worker burnout and finances. Finally, in 1995, NSS could not run the soaring events at the Nats so that lead to Mike Stumps agreement with AMA for LSF to run the soaring events at the Nats and share the revenue. I ask my question again. How do they propose to run and finance the program, or do they expect to parasite off LSF? Chuck Andeson LSF 586 Level IV ECSS/NSS 72-361 AMA Soaring Advisory Committee 1983-1985 NSS District V VP 1985-1987 NSS Treasurer 1988 1989 presentno office and never again. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
What would the tasks have been if LSF had been born on the East Coast? LSF was formed as a local California group to promote sailplane flying back in 1969 and the achievement tasks were developed to suit local conditions that allowed long thermal flights, long slope flights, and lots of wide open spaces for cross country. At that time, the other major group promoting soaring was the East Coast Soaring Society. Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JW Comes in Last in Masters ...roster!
At 09:08 AM 9/7/2006, you wrote: Wow! Build it and they will come certainly applies to this list of hooligans! :-) Even Doug Pike is signed up to make the trek from hose'r country eh? This is gonna be a heck of a party! Got my room locked in! Gordy Nice list. I was amazed to see that I know and have flown with most of them. Yes, even Gordy. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: snip These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a chance to win. They are there because it's FUN. And, this does not require a $2,000 moldie and a $600+ computer radio - it can be done with a 'lowly' Gentle Lady, Spirit, Aspire or HOB 2 x 4. I think that's what is wrong with so many current contests with the emphasis on win, win, win and not enough emphasis on fun. Why not back off a little and put some fun back. Fly events that don't require a moldie. Maybe a round of three-for-fifteen and a few rounds of two minute precision. That's how I learned to land on the spot on time over 30 years ago and it can be done with an Oly II or Gentle Lady. And be sure to have a Novice class with best trophies for them. I have been flying contests on one type or another since 1950 and I don't really care for another trophy unless it is for a really important contest. For the rest, just announce my name if I place. Of course I don't have to worry about that very often any more. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion
At 11:08 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: OK, probably most members of RCSE are aware of it but, for those who aren't, a good discussion concerning the LSF is taking place in Sailplane Talk on RCGroups. Both members non-members of the LSF may find it interesting. Here we go again with the same old discussion for the umpteenth time by the same people who want awards without doing the work to run such a program. Let somebody else do it and they will reap the rewards. Rode this Mary-go-around too many times. One thing this discussion has done was to liven up RCSE. Things were getting so slow I was thinking of posting part 3 of my last war story. Chuck Andeson LSF IV LSF583, NSS 72,361 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Really practical ideas
Would you also award bonus points for appropriate clothing? :-) At 09:02 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: This is REALLY GREAT. I further suggest that we offer free entry to well endowed young ladies, be they novice or expert. From time to time, the topic of attracting new flyers into competition has been batted about on this forum. A hearty Well Done to the Long Island Silent Flyers for a very practical solution - quoting from their recent posting: New to the contests are the Novice class, and Novices can register for FREE. Under 18 and Over 65 are also free for other classes. Note that it not only attracts new blood but also entices those of us with tired, old blood. May their endeavor be successful and spark a new trend. Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re:[RCSE] Great Ideas
While we are discussing great ideas, why doesn't anybody build a switch harness with a better charge plug. The servo plugs most of them use for connecting the charger are totally inadequate for any application where they are frequently connected and disconnected. Ever have one short out and melt in your hand while plugging in the charger? I have on more than one occasion. Like Minnie Pearls brother inspecting hot horseshoes, I didn't hold on very long. :-) Trouble was some of the melted plastic stuck to my fingers. :-( The best switch harness I have ever used came with my last Evo. I bought Karlton Spindel's last Evo and he threw in two extra switch harnesses. About the only fault I have found is that it is so big. The switch is about the same size as a Hitec 225 servo. One lead has a standard plug for connecting to the receiver while the other lead has a hefty plug that matches Multiplex batteries. There is no charge lead. Instead, the charger plugs into the switch with the same connector as used for the battery. Since I don't use Multiplex batteries, I cut off the battery plug and install a standard battery connector. I used the Multiplex battery plug to make an adaptor for my Sirius Charge charger. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] MS Outlook question
A little over 20 years ago, I wrote an airfoil plot program for the Commodore 64. I soon ported it to the Atari, TRS80, and other computers using the 6502 computer chip except for the Apple II. Apple, in it's infinite wisdom, crippled the operating system so that basic programs could not send graphics to printers without special machine language routines. I soon ported the program to MS-DOS computers and even to the original 128k Mac. The only computer that had trouble running my program was the Mac. Every month or so, Apple would issue an upgrade to the Mac operating system that required changes to my program. By 1988, I decided that I was selling enough programs to justify purchasing a real computer and evaluated everyone that I could afford. The choices boiled down to the second generation Mac, the Amiga with the MS-DOS option, and a Gateway 2000. I really didn't like the Mac that much and didn't like Apple's record of abandoning users of their earlier computers. (Applle III, Lisa, and the 128K Mac). Cost ruled out the Amiga so I wound up buying the very first Gateway 2000. I have never regretted the decision because the programs II wrote for the first Gateway will still run on my new Dell computer. I can also use most of the software I bought over the last 20 years. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
to do this. Or is there more to generating a flight order than we are told. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats Scores
Are all the scores from the Nats posted anywhere? Some people would like to know where they finished and need the data to fill out the LSF achievement form. Not me since I finished Level V contest requirements 10 years ago. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
At 11:25 PM 7/31/2006, you wrote: snip I am not sure just when the 2 meter class became codified. There was only one class at the first LSF contest (1971) - held at the Nelson glider ranch, Livermore, Ca. BTW, that same year, an early form of f3b was flown at the NBSS contest in Santa Rosa, Ca. Regis I am not sure when the 2-meter class was codified. I first flew 2-meter at the LSF Tournament at Lockport, IL in 1979 and was the first contest for the Winglet Spica. In 1980 and 1981, 2-meter event was still unofficial and flown the day after Standard Class and Unlimited. In 1983, 2-meter was flown at the same time as Standard and Unlimited. I remember it well as I flew all three classes with the Spica by changing the wing tips between classes. I am not sure about 1982 but think it was an official event since it was not flown after the Nats was over. I have a photo of Carl Goldberg talking to me about winglets as I was changing from the winglets to the standard class wing tips for the next flight. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2M Rambles
At last! An interesting discussion. Reminds me of the good old days or RCSE from about 10 years ago. I have a notebook full of posts about stability and control from1995 to1998. Lots more interesting than what happened, or didn't happen, at the latest contest. I had a lot of success flying a low aspect ratio model in 2-meter with the Winglet Spica. It's first contest was in the 1979 LSF Tournament at Lockport, IL. It was the only model I flew in 2-meter contest until I retired it after the 1998 Nats after 20 years of service. In the early years, it had no competition while by 1998 it was no competition. I did complete my Level 5 contest requirements with the Winglet Spica in 1996 with a win in Unlimited and high point for the contest. I had to fly the Spica after damaging my Unlimited model before the start of the contest. I am surprised that nobody has mentioned using winglets for 2-meter models. The Winglet Spica had a 10 ich chord wing with 10 inch high winglets and had the same performance as the same model with 100 inch wing span and almost as good as it had with a 115 inch span wing. There ain't no free lunch and the large winglets had two major disadvantages. Winglets are a one speed device and the winglets are sensitive to wind gusts when landing. The very large winglets and wide chord wing did make the model much easier to see and I never had trouble identifying my model in a thermal with a lot of others. :-) snip I've broken up with multiple women in the last few months... need to do enough models to keep up with the naming process... ;-) Possibly Lil Beeotch - we'll see D snip If I used Daryl's method of naming my models, I wouldn't have many. Tomorrow is my 49th wedding anniversary. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
At 10:40 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: The real question is why fly different classes in the first place?. If the tasks are all the same, then why change to planes that have less functionality or lower capability? Even F3J contests are just TD with a man tow. So why are there different events for the same thing? LSF first divided soaring into two classes sometime before 1973. By 1973, the SOAR Nats had grown so large that they decided to adopt the LSF class system in order to award more trophies without awarding trophies so far down the list. After all, a fourth place trophy sounds better than a 10th place trophy for the same score. As I remember, 100 inch span was chosen because about half the fliers had models with wing spans over 100 inches and there were a lot of kits with wing spans between 90 and 100 inches on the market. At least that was the explanation given when the SOAR Nats established standard class as models with wing spans up to 100 inches according to an article published in Sailplane. I could look it up but I am too lazy to search my collection of Sailplane magazines. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
Just a few more thoughts on the Nats. I agree with everything Jim and Marc said. This was the smoothest Nats I have attended and I have been to a lot of them. I flew my first Nats at the old SOAR Nats in 1974 and have not missed one since except when my job prevented me from getting off long enough and I haven't missed a one since I retired. I do have a couple of minor complaints. First, the landing spot was dangerously close to the safety line. There is no reason for the spot to be closer than 25 feet from the safety line. Second, the landing spots were not directly behind the corresponding winch. This is more of a problem for me since I started using a cane to walk on uneven ground. On the last round of RES, I launched from a winch on the left site of the tent and my landing spot was on the other side. Walking that far while trying to fly my model was difficult. Third, we need to allow late entry if there is an open frequency. I know of at least two people who would have entered RES if they could have entered after they arrived for Unlimited. I used late entry to fly in several Nats before I retired. I I had no trouble getting time off to fly contest except when I had a test in the wind tunnel. In 1983, I didn't enter because I had a long test scheduled just before the test and I didn't know if I would be finished in time to drive to Springfield, Massitutes. At noon on Friday before the Soaring event started, I realized that If I worked late I could finish the final report by noon on Saturday. I left Tullahoma at noon on Saturday and drove to Springfield arriving just before the 4 PM Sunday late entry deadline. Flying started the next morning and I was able to enter 2-meter, Standard, and Unlimited. We flew all three classes each day and I actually won a trophy in 2-meter. Since the flight order is computer generated, there is no reason we couldn't allow late entry and raise a little more money with late entry fees. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Another War Story
I have received requests for more stories about my flying experiences. Since there hasn't been much activity on RCSE lately, this seemed an appropriate time to post another story. This is actually the second part of a story I wrote about flying target for training F86D pilots. Part 1 posted here a few months ago covered the initial climb out to altitude and the view of the stars on a moonless night above an overcast. This part covers the actual high altitude intercept. Part three will cover the end of the mission and has a little more action. This story was extracted from a story I wrote titled The Face of God. This story took place in February, 1956. Chuck Anderson TARGET After reaching 42,000 feet altitude, Control put me in a holding pattern over Albany Georgia until the fighters were airborne. Fox Flight was the call sign of the first group of fighters. Fox 1 and 2 were students getting their final check ride in night intercepts while Fox 3 was the instructor monitoring his students by radar. Control was directing Fox 1 while Fox 2 and 3 were holding position five miles apart using their own radar. Control then turned me towards the target while the fighter string climbed out in the opposite direction on a parallel track offset about 30 miles to the east. The target, Panama City, laws about 200 miles ahead. When Fox 1 called level at Angles 42, Fox flight was at my altitude and about 30 miles ahead but I still couldn't see him. The stars were visible all the way to the horizon and the aircraft lights blended right in. When Fox 1 was about 15 miles away the controller turned Fox flight to its final attack vector 90 degrees to my heading. All three airplanes simultaneously turned to the final attack heading. If all went well, they would cross my path at 45-second intervals. The afterburner flames became visible at my 10 o'clock position as they turned perpendicular to my flight path so I gave a Tallyho to tell control I had the fighters in sight. Fox flight followed with their Tallyhos as they locked on. The controller then gave Fox flight the heading to turn to after completing their passes. Fox flight now completed the attack using the F86D radar. Fox 1 called 20 seconds to go and began to drift aft as his fire control system switched from a collision course to a lead collision course. As soon as I was satisfied that we were not on a collision course, I cleared Fox 1 to complete the pass. If I had not been satisfied that the pass was safe then I would have called Break and started a standard break away maneuver. I would turn down and away from the fighter while the fighter would break up and towards me. This maneuver was designed to maximize the miss distance for most situations. Following procedures was most important since the rate of closure between the target and fighter was over 800 mph and the miss distance was less than 500 feet. Fox 1 was drifting aft at a nice rate and would pass well to my rear. Fox 1's afterburner flame was blue white and streamed out far behind the aircraft. It made the aircraft easy to see on high altitude missions. Flying target was much more challenging at altitudes below 25,000 feet where the F86D was not running in afterburner. There, only the aircraft lights were visible and the F86D was much harder to pick up early in the intercept. As soon as each F86D completed their intercept, they turned left 45 degrees set up for another pass. Each fighter was supposed to have two passes to shoot down the enemy bomber before he had a chance to drop his bomb. The fighters didn't have much of a speed advantage over the target and it was hard to get far enough ahead for a second pass before the bomb release point. We had a sharp controller and Fox flight completed the second pass before I reached the theoretical bomb release point. After the last pass was completed, I turned back towards Albany for another intercept and resumed my stargazing while the controller vectored Fox flight for a radar recovery at Tyndall AFB. I had been airborne almost an hour and a half and had sufficient fuel for at least another hour and a half. On the other hand, the F86s had been airborne only about 30 minutes were almost out of fuel. Afterburners are exceptionally fuel greedy and the high altitude missions were afterburner all the way. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:JR Scan Select receiver feedback
At 01:43 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote: Got one a week or so ago and the range check was about 1/2 that of a Hitec Super Slim in identical setups. Now I am in a quandry as I don't know whether the Hitec is that good or do I have a defective JR. It's been a few months but as I recall I got similar results comparing a Shadow 3 to the Hitec. I relegated the Shadow to an electric that doesn't get very far away. Really frustrating as I would like a good small synth rx to go with the Evo. Tom Finch Thomas Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. I have been testing a Hitec Fusion 9 receiver in an old sailplane to see if it can replace my trusty Super Slim. So far, everything looks good (except for the price). Ground range check with the antenna collapsed completely inside the case is almost identical to the Super Slim. I have the crystal controlled Evo so being synthesized isn't of any value right now. When I get around to replacing the Super Slims, I may have a reason for getting a synthesized module for my Evos. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec Fusion 9 Channel IPD RX's...tested and flown.
At 02:50 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote: snip I really like the Fusion, it fits in the plane nicely and is very easy to program, AND you can use a Polk Remote program button ...if you don't want to have to poke in to the case for the Set Button. About a month or two of flying on it so farin Gordy years that's equal to most you guys flying it for a year :) Gordy Just what is the Polk Remote program button and how do I get one without buying a Polk receiver. On antenna extension . I always have at least one section of the antenna extended whenever the transmitter is on except when range checking. Learned about this the hard way about 40 years ago with my first Microavionics transmitter. I have trouble walking far enough to range check with one section of the antenna extended. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] First RC model
I learned to fly RC in 1956 flying a Berkeley Bootstraps powered by an OK Cub 14 with a Lorenz two tube superregen receiver driving a Southwest Magnetic Actuator. Somehow the model survived until I got out of t he Air Force and I still have it. When I resumed RC modeling in 1963, I became enamored with a gull wing power pod sailplane published in Flying Models. It was an unstable beast and frequently fell into an unrecoverable spiral dive. The club expert took the transmitter and said Let me show you how to fly. He promptly spiraled it into the ground and handed the transmitter back to me without saying a word. I decided that I could design a better one so I did. The result was the Tern published in the May, 1967 RCM. The Tern used a Controlaire 5 receiver and I retired it to hang from my shop ceiling when CB radio made the superregin receiver unusable. In 1970, I had replaced my first proportional radio system and was looking for something to do with the Microavonics radio. I remembered the fun I had searching for thermals with the Tern so I build another one large enough to house the giant Orbit servos and called it the Tern II. It originally had a Cox TD 09 in the nose. When we started using winches, the engine was replaced with a nose cone and a lot of lead to become my first true sailplane. By 1974, the Tern had evolved to the Tern IV which won a first place trophy in Standard class and placed 8th overall at the SOAR Nats that year. All of the models described here (except the unstable gull wing monster) still exist but not in flyable condition. The Tern IV could be refurbished but the wing spars aren't strong enough for modern winches. Ironically, the Tern IV is not eligible to fly in nostalgia even though it has a 1974 first place Nats trophy because it was never published or kitted. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Silicone
At 05:53 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote: Silicone II is the worst caulk I've ever used. (I got it free after rebate at HD) I used it on my house in some places, and it took forever to cure, did not smooth out well and was not very good. I had to pull it all out. It came off easily in one long strip. I went back to good old acrylic caulk and standard silicone. I use goop for my servos. In planes with the servo area reinforced, I just put packing tape around them, sand the tape a bit, put a dollop of marine goop on and wiggle it in place. Great on carbon and glass, but not for foam. For that, I just tape up the servo and use two part liquid foam. A little goes a long way. Great for holding control rods in the fuse also. You can get some at BP (Balsa Products) http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V907984pid=U221687 Tom I have no problem with Silicone for installing servos. I use a strange new device called screws. :-). Sorry but I couldn't resist. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
At 05:01 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2006 4:23:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That could open up a day for XC every year instead of every two. Tired eyes can see a big plane My 2 meter models are ready to go! Too bad you old guys cannot fly small, fast sailplanes! Don Richmond San Diego, CA (Virginia Beach, VA today) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com I can still fly small fast planes but only by keeping them close enough to see which doesn't work too well for thermal soaring tasks. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tangerine Soaring Championship - Nov. 25th 26th
At 12:24 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote: Tangerine Pre-Announcement Its early yet but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on Tangerine2006 to be held in Orlando, Florida November 25th and 26th. (Weekend after Thanksgiving Day) This year we will be running the contest in a seeded Man-on-man format. Sorry to hear that you will be using seeded man on man format this year. I will probably be in Tampa that weekend visiting my daughter's family but won't bother to drive over to Orlando for a seeded man-on-man contest. I have fond memories of the original Tangerine when it was held on December 30 and 31 and was a truly national contest second only to the SOAR Nats drawing snowbird fliers from all over snow country as far west as Colorado along with many contestants from Texas. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
At 10:54 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote: You guys just need to explore low aspect ratio design so you can see the plane. I doubt if an 8:1 2M is much harder to see than a 16:1 unlimited. Hide radio in tapered wing. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format I have. I flew my Winglet Spica in 2-meter at every Nats I attended between 1979 and 1998, It had an aspect ratio of 7.8 and 10 inch high winglets. I do not fly it anymore because it is so hard to see compared to my Sailaire or Compulsion. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Multiplex Cockpit
At 07:30 AM 6/3/2006, you wrote: Anyone on the exchange using the Multiplex Cockpit who can give me pros and cons for the radio. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh I have owned two and consider the Cockpit to be the best two-stick transmitter I have ever owned. It's only shortcoming was the lack of a free mixer and a 600 mah battery. I really like the feel and balance and would still be using it if it had even one free mix for crow. All the other fancy stuff I could live without. I bought my first Cockpit in 2001 and promptly sold all my other transmitters except for one for my full house sailplane. I placed my order for an Evo the day it was announced. My only disappointment with the Evo is that it is so much bigger and heavier than the Cockpit. I now have two Evos and a Cockpit for my RES sailplanes. My backup Cockpit was sold to a fellow club member who is still using it. He liked it so much that he bought another for a backup. The Cockpit was overpriced when new but good used ones can be had at a very reasonable price and Ernie is available for service. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: Soaring V1 #7609
At 10:18 AM 5/10/2006, you wrote: Misty Meadows is near Solon Iowa which is between Iowa City and Cedar Rapids. On a larger scale it is 200 miles west of Chicago, 250 miles north of St. Louis and 300 miles south of Minneapolis. And 600 miles Northwest of Tullahoma, TN which is too far to go to a contest but I did manage to schedule a trip to South Dakota on his contest weekend back in 2001. I don't fly HL or 2-Meter so could only fly on Sunday. It was very windy with a SE wind over 15 mph. Landing downslope over the hill to the spot at the edge of the pond was a real challenge and I was able to work slope lift on final for almost another minute on one flight. I actually got on the spot on every flight but on one flight, the wind picked up the model and flipped it inverted before I could get to it. A line of thunderstorms approaching at noon prompted me to get an early start to South Dakota. I have always scheduled trips to coincide with contests whenever possible. It is always fun to visit and see all the different flying sites. Gordy has it right. Schedule travel to visit as many contests as possible. They are all fun and you can meet the most interesting people. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats Memories (War story)
In 1974, I attended my first SOAR Nats and have attended either the AMA Nats or the LSF Tournament every year since then except when I couldn't get off from work. I retired in 1994 and bought a lap top computer and a van for travel to contests. Since that time, I have kept a log of my experiences at the Nats. This is a slightly edited copy of my log from the 1994 LSF tournament. That was the first contest held at the new AMA field at Muncie. I had just encountered the first of my vision problems that had caused me to sell my Shadow to Johnny Berlin and restricted me to flying a Sailaire. Chuck Anderson Monday. Arrived at the AMA flying site at 1 PM. Hand launched was almost finished. Found good tent site right next to Louisville Club. Right at home since I was a member of that club briefly in the Mid 1980's. First impression of the site is good. Adequate gravel parking lots in good locations. The glider site is on a small knoll facing southwest. Wind is out of the southwest and forecast to remain there. LSF crew is setting up AMA tent and putting out winches. Tuesday First day of 2-meter. Wind is out of north. Everyone is busy moving winches, tents, etc. Decided to leave my tent setup since forecast is for wind to be from the South. Did not start until almost noon but still managed to get in 4 rounds of 2 meter. Had radio problems and did not fly 4th round. Wednesday. Second day of 2-meter Wind still out of north. Left tent on hill and flew out of van. Radio problems appear to be fixed. Problem was in switch wiring. Plugged battery directly into receiver seemed to fix problem. Flew much better but still had problems seeing model. Extremely cold so bought an LSF jacket. It was too big but kept me warm. HL Golf was held after flying at a golf course just east of the AMA flying site. I was hoping to find something to eat as I was getting very hungry. No luck. It was just a golf course without even a snack bar. Decided to skip the golf and try to find a better place to eat. Thursday. First day of Unlimited 8 AM Sitting in the van watching it rain and listening to the thunder rumble. Ain't we having fun. Michael Selig is here. First time I have seen him since he came to Tullahoma to fly in our contest about 10 years ago. He was flying a prototype of his new Opus Sailplane that Sal Defransisco will be selling. Looks very good but almost anything Michael flies looks good. Talked to him briefly about his new airfoil for RPV's. that was written up in Aviation Week a couple of weeks ago. Everybody leaving parking lot and heading back to Museum . Discussed future of LSF Na;ts with Mike Stump. He will run LSF for another year and hopes to have the LSF Nats firmly established by then so he can turn it over to someone else. 10 AM. Everybody heading back out to the field.. Erected tent and assembled model. Started raining just as I finished checking in. Disassembled model and put it back in van. 1 PM Sitting in van watching rain. it has been raining for an hour. Set up under tent and demoed plot programs to several people including Skip Miller. Skip seemed interested but has a Mac. Moved back to van when rain started blowing too much. Don Edberg showed me how he converted a rental compact car into a model carrier by folding down a back seat that didn't originally fold down. Finally got in one round of 7 minute between showers. 7.03 and slid out of landing circle. Friday. Second day of Unlimited Finally started almost on time. Cloudy with low ceilings but flyable. Good zoom disappears in clouds. Sailaire disappeared in cloud just after launch. Lost approximately 100 ft with spoilers to get out of cloud. 6:47 and no landing.. Didn't make it back to landing area. Contest went down hill from there. Landed out twice because I did not allow for big sink on final. One nice thing though. I flew with Fred Weaver in one round. Don Vickers later told me that Fred wasn't happy about flying against that Gas Bag. He didn't know that I couldn't see the model well enough to get out to where the lift was. I was launching high enough for an easy max on all flights but there was sink around the hill near the landing areas. After the flying was over, the CD assembled all the models and pilots for photographs by a flier that had an electric model rigged up to take aerial pictures. This delayed trophy handouts for 15 minutes. After the camera plane landed, it was discovered that the camera hadn't worked. Banquet was held at the Roberts Hotel downtown. I was late and most tables were occupied except for two that had reserved signs. The Louisville club was also late but didn't let the reserved sign deter them. When the waiter didn't know who the table was reserved for, they decided that it was reserved for us. After the meal had started, Luther Mitchell and Herk Stokely came
[RCSE] LSF World Soaring Masters
Since the contest is restricted to LSF member and LSF is a world wide organization, I see no problem in calling it a World Soaring Masters contest. LSF has also had a number of Soaring Masters contests in the past. Chuck Anderson LSF 583 Level IV (ain't gonna stand on no slope for 8 hours) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....
At 05:51 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote: Guys... we're barely getting over 150 open class competitors at Visalia these days you really think there will be significantly more than 150 guys trying to go to... dare I say it Muncie? Or as Karen puts it... MoonSay Given a choice, I'll take Visalia. I prefer a contest that is a better balance between flying and fun. I have always wished for a Visalia East close enough to drive to but this isn't it. I would go back to Visalia but after my recent experiences with the Terminal Stupid Asses, I don't fly anywhere unless I have to and I don't have to go to a contest. I'm still trying to talk my wife into taking a leisurely three week driving tour of the country between here and California some September and October. If Don Richmond can drive across the country so often, I don't see why we couldn't. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NATS registrations
At 07:38 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote: Well boys, daylight savings time has arrived, it's April, Remember, Indiana finally got with the world and is changing their clocks, so we will have an extra hour of sun in Muncie this summer. Gives guys lots of after hours flying time and Gordy can shoot more landing in preperation for that Nats plaque. Also, to back up what Barry has said, I know that many schedules finalize in the last minute, but if you know you are coming go ahead and help Barry out and get that entry in. That means you Siebanaler, git-r-done! Marc Gellart Nats ED I hope the Nats doesn't use the extra hour of daylight to fly another round. Last year, the first day of Unlimited ran so long that I had trouble landing in the last round because of the setting sun was blinding me. I was so exhausted that I canceled the planned supper with friends and ate a hamburger in the motel after 9 PM. There is more to the Nats than flying. I prefer the way Visalia runs their contest. It is a better balance of flying and partying. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Robert L Scott
Tonight, I found that Robert L. Scott, the author of God Is My Copilot, just died. He was one of my heros that I got to meet, even if only for a few minutes. The following is a story about meeting him that I wrote a couple of years ago. Chuck Anderson When I was in elementary school, I read two books that had a significant influence on my life. The first was I Wanted Wings by Bernie Ley and the other was God Is my Copilot by Colonel Robert L. Scott. God Is My Copilot was made into a very poor movie with some good flying scenes that I enjoyed in spite of the stupid script. Col. Scott built and flew model airplanes during WW I and even built a hang glider that he promptly crashed into a thorn bush. I tried to emulate his model flying but skipped the glider part. Robert L Scott graduated from West Point the year I was born but, strange as it seems, our Air Force careers overlapped. General Scott retired from the Air Force in October 1957 while I completed my tour of active duty in January 1958. I have owned a paper back copy of God Is My Copilot since the early 50s and read it many times. In 1990, I found a 1943 first edition of God Is My Copilot in a used bookstore in San Angelo, Texas. I had heard that General Scott had retired to his hometown of Macon, GA and spent a lot of time in the Aviation Museum at Robins AFB. I always stop at every aviation museum I pass but never managed to get to the one at Robins AFB until November 2002. I stopped in for a couple of hours and was surprised at the number of airplanes on display. They even had one of every plane I flew in my 26 years in the Air Force, Air Force Reserve, and Air National Guard. When I arrived, I ask about General Scott and was told that he was in that day but had gone to lunch. He was over 90 years old and I was surprised to find he was still active in the museum. I waited around until General Scott returned. A tall slender gray-haired man entered and I finally got to meet a hero that had such a great influence in my life. He retired as a General but to me, he will always be Colonel Robert L. Scott of the Flying Tigers. Now my 1943 original edition of God is my Copilot is autographed by the author. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz !
At 09:23 PM 2/21/2006, Mark Drela wrote: The all-moving Supra stab is aerodynamically balanced, so the stab servo loads from the airload are minimal. The only loads the stab servo will see is due to the inertial load when the boom cracks the whip in the zoom. That is one of the reasons my stabs pivot around the rear wire. I also clamp the stab to the front wire with very small wheel collars. I never lose a stab in flight and the weight of the front wire and wheel collars almost balances the stab about the pivot. Clamping the front wire to the horn also means that the weight of the stab horn also contributes to balancing the stab about the pivot. I then sweep the stab as necessary to put the pivot at 25% MAC. I started doing this back in 1974 to reduce the chances of stab flutter. Those obsessed with minimizing weight could leave off the wheel collars and still reduce the inertia loads. :-) Chuck Anderson PS The stab sweep also helps me identify my model in a gaggle. :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The First Synthesized TX Module
At 09:43 AM 2/21/2006, you wrote: Sorry guys, neither Hitec or Futaba was the first. Kraft had the earliest version that I know of, in the 1979-1980 time frame. It was affectionatley termed dial-a-crash after the notion that a forgetful or malicious person could dial in a frequency that caused another to crash. This was in the days of only 8 frequencies. It was a bulky unit and didn't really catch on, and the Japanese invasion (Futaba, World) was occuring which pretty much doomed the American made radios. There used to be a bunch: Orbit, Kraft, Milcott, Ace, Heathkit, etc. Kraft as long since gone the way of the other RC pioneering companies. Only one left that I am aware of is Ace by virtue of diversifying into other areas of RC. Jim Thomas I was wondering how long it would take for someone to remember Kraft's Dial-A-Crash system. And the ACE we knew is gone too. If they were still in business, I would still be flying Micropro Single Stick transmitters. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The First Synthesized TX Module
Since we are into reminiscing about the good old days, I witnessed more radio control development than most currently active modelers. I got my first radio in 1953, It was a Berkley Aertrol that I paid $49 for and received a bag of resistors, condensers, tubes, and wire along with an escapement, transmitter case, and a 27.255 crystal. I was in college during most of the reed era so missed that phase. I watched Space Control, Sampy, and Orbit analog proportional systems being developed and finally managed to afford a 1967 Microavonics system that cost a monath's take home pay. At that time, a lot of the local fliers were using the first Kraft digital proportional system with servos using wire-wound feed pots that needed to be cleaned periodically. The hot radio for pattern fliers in 1967 was EK until several top pattern fliers including Jim Kirkland, Ron Chidgney, Jim Whitley, Doc Edwards, and other top fliers got together and hired Jim Fostgate away from EK and set up Proline to develop a radio to their specifications. The early Prolines were build in Athens, Alabama and was built from precision lab quality electronics and Ron Chidgney's stick assembly. The control sticks from the Proline Competition transmitters still have not been equaled. In 1969, I bought my first Proline transmitter when they were still in Athens Alabama 100 miles from Tullahoma, I was flying pattern contests at that time and switched to single stick Prolines in 1971. I continued to fly Proline until 1993 when I began flying full house sailplanes and needed mixers. I flew single stick Micropro transmitters until 2000 when the Micropro began showing it's age. I tried Futaba and Hitec but was very unhappy with the ToysRUs styling, awkward feel and balance, and programming that I never really understood.Then I discovered the Multiplex Cockpit which led me to the Evo. Now if only I could get an Evo with a Chidgney single stick, I would never need anything more. I still see no need for Dial-A-Crash and don't use a lot of the features of my Evo. All my models are on the same channel and use the same setup so my models will always fly when I launch no matter which model I have selected. It might not be in trim but it will at least be flyable. Guess why I developed this setup. :-) Maybe when I can get a cheap, reliable synthesized receiver no bigger than my Superslim receiver Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AG36 Coordinates
I have been looking at the Bubble Dancer airfoils but am unable to find coordinates for AG35, AG36, AG37 or AG38 in normal COR format. Coordinates for these airfoils on the Charles River site listed as COR and DAT airfoils are apparently referenced to the bottom surface of the airfoil instead of the chord line. I haven't seen airfoil coordinates referenced to the bottom surface since the free flight airfoils from over 50 years ago. Coordinates for other Drela airfoils that I have checked are in the normal COR format referenced to the chord line. While my plot program can plot airfoils from coordinates referenced to the bottom of the airfoil in the old NACA format, it can't plot them from airfoils in COR or DAT format that are referenced to the bottom surface. Daryl sent me coordinates for the AG35 airfoil in coordinates referenced to the chord line but I am in need of coordinates for the AG36 referenced to the chord line. Anybody know where I can find them in normal COR format? Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] AG36 Coordinates
At 10:49 AM 2/18/2006, you wrote: I've got them in my compufoil3d airfoil library. Do you want me to send them to you? Dan Fink Thanks for the offer but Mark Mech has already sent me a set of coordinates that will work with my Airfoil Plot program. RCSE is great for getting information in a hurry. I would still like to know why coordinates for the AG 35 series of airfoils are referenced to the bottom of the airfoil instead of the chord line as was done with all the other Drela airfoils that I checked. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Super Vision without bionics
At 07:43 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: What if you could get a pair of glasses that would double the distance of your vision? http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70181-0.html Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net I'd settle for a pair that would give me back the vision I had 30 years ago. Then maybe I could get another Nats win. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Do you like long wings?
At 09:21 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: How about a 5M (195) TD model? http://www.soaringusa.com/products/product.htm?product_id=16505category_id=259 Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net Launching models this size is very difficult, especially if there is any wind. In 1979 I designed a sailplane with a 169 inch span and flew it in unlimited at the 1981 and 1982 Nats. The Dragon Lady was a real handful to launch in any wind and I finally retired it from anything except cross country. I launched the model myself at both Nats but I really needed a pit crew. There is a photo of the Dragon Lady being launched in the SOAR report for the 1985 Great Race. I was flying, Ed Wilson was throwing, and a team member was on each wing tip stabilizing the model. That was on the first day before the high winds that year. We didn't even try to fly it on the windy days. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE about assisted soaring, value of winning.
At 08:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote: snip Please tell us. . .other than ego satisfaction, just why do you want to win sailplane contests? What is it that's so *essential* about this form of competition??? After my eye surgery in 1997, I investigated thermal sensors and gyro to assist me in flying my models. After some experimenting, I found that the best solution was to fly large, stable models and don't let them get too far away. If any thermal sensor, gyro, or auto pilot would help me to fly the model I would use them. Fun flies are not for me. Any time I want to fun fly, all I have to do is to hook up the winch trailer and drive 15 minutes to the model field. It is a lot cheaper than driving several hours and spending a night in a motel. Contests are for seeing how well I am flying in comparison to others. At my age and with my handicaps, winning is being able to fly in a contest. Remember, this is a HOBBY. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Raw Weights
At 09:22 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: smip This message is directed to a small group of new molded supra owners, and probably not of interest to other. snip On the contrary, this is exactly what I like to see on RCSE. It is much more interesting than a report on sloping at the local dam or skying out in a thermal. Even though I won't be buying a molded Supra any time soon (and probably never will), I like to read about what others are building, the problems they encounter, and the solutions to those problems. Over the years, I have learned a lot by watching what others are building and the mistakes they make. Lots cheaper than making them yourself. I make enough without repeating mistakes others have made. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 01:34 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2006 1:44:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in your ear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from the old days You're too young - use of telemetering audio variometers in US RC soaring competition goes back to about 1969-70, at least two types were then commercially available. They were routinely used by a number of the more consistent winners. By the mid to late '70s, they had about the same must have status as the latest hi $ moldie today! Good Lift! I picked up a thermal sensor from Don Clark at the 74 SOAR Nats and used it for a couple of years. I found that I could do as well without it so stopped using it for everything except for initial trimming and cross country. When I was listening to the thermal sensor, I was not catching the little indications from the way the model was flying. The only time I had an advantage with the thermal sensor was when the model was directly overhead or at extreme visual range. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Picalario Pixilation
My copilot always handled the radios and my wife does the talking on the cellphone. :-) Chuck Anderson At 10:09 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:59:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if the common belief that pilots can't listen to an altimeter and fly RC at the same time is related to the pretty well proven fact that driving and talking on a cell phone is an accident waiting to happen. Hang up and fly. Tom H. Nagel You should stay out of full size planes Tom, power or sailplanes if that is true ! Bill G. Bill Grenoble LSF 7558 IV Hawksnest Soaring Shermans Dale, PA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Speaking of Insanity...RES wize that is
Does it use the same stealth fuselage as the standard Ava? Chuck Anderson At 06:45 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote: Hi guys, Most of you know that I literally live to fly RES, nuthin I like better, other than maybe 2m and noisy little electric crap buzzing around while I am trying to listen to thermals :-) However, I flew my AVA once and in a contest and manage to win. It was ugly flying to say the least, the cat calls and howls of laughter might give you an idea of just how wobbly gobbly I fly three channel planes But I have only owned a Sailaire, never really flew one but always like the idea of having a really BIG sailplane for competitions etc. When I called Barry and told him I was out of the RES game and had sold my AVA, he said PERFECT TIMING GORDY!I just figured that his wife forgot to hide the expresso again, but he continued to tell me about the new Super AVA147 spanso I said, what the hell send one over. Anyone flown one yet? I think it weighs something like 25ozs all up with 3 giant servos in it and a Picolario, LoLo, and one of Sheldon's battery monitor, glitch testers...at least I am sure that's what everyone else's will come in on their particular scales. Likely I will just drop in three Volz servos, no switch, a Polk Seeker synth RX and 4 1250 sub c nicads. In anycase sounds like it could be a good ship for some of the LSF 5 work I need to do this season. Let me know if you have one or ordered one (misery loves company:-) or have flown one. Gordy PS, Barry promised to give me his car for posting this stuff :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AG35 file format
I had some time to kill and decided to look at the Bubble Dancer airfoils. I downloaded the AG35.COR from the Charles River web site file but the coordinates are not in any format that I recognize. All the other COR airfoil files that I am familiar with reference the Y coordinates to the chord line. The AG35.COR files apparently reference a line through the bottom of the airfoil at the 30% chord. What program uses data files in this format. Is there a source for the AG35, AG36, and AG37 airfoils in true COR or DAT format? Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Best sailplane airline case?
For 10 years, I carried my model to Visalia and Phoenix in an archery bow case. I even built a model with a 132 inch wing with plug in tips that would fit in the bow case. It traveled as checked baggage and I never had any problems or model damage. I have traveled to Visalia and Phoenix only once since 911. No problem with the Terribly Stupid Asses on those trips but I found a better solution to the TSA problem. I only go to contest close enough to drive to in less than 2 days. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra wing joiners
At 07:35 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bagged Supra isn't restricted to only three wing joiner angles. You can bend them to any angle you desire. :-) Chuck, Actually, the Dr. Drela designed supra has straight carbon joiner rods (it is a 3 peice wing). The joiner angle is set into angled verticle grain basswood. So in effect, it has only one polyhedral option. Ryan I was referring to the Supra wing from Phil Barnes. Chuck Andeson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra wing joiners
At 12:47 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote: Another interesting aspect of the molded Supra is the wing joiner options. The pilot can choose to fly 2.5, 5.0, and 7.5 degree joiners. I can see guys talking in a MoM flight line now... How much weight are you packin'? Are you using a 5 degree bend? ;-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net The bagged Supra isn't restricted to only three wing joiner angles. You can bend them to any angle you desire. :-) Actually, I have found that all modern sailplanes that I have tried are grossly deficient in lateral stability. Lateral stability doesn't matter as long as the model is close enough to see clearly but I find I need more dihedral as my eyes grow older. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] An analogy (regarding Model Aviation magazine)
At 07:17 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: Jim, I think you are right on here. Another analogy would be how many of us drive cars but do not take part in competition? But many many people want to know what has happened in competitions around the world be it F1, Indy, LeMans, NASCAR etc. snip I do, or rather did in my younger days. I also no longer fly real airplanes but it (and racing) are still a part of my life even though I no longer participate except as a spectator. I also still enjoy reading about free flight, control line, scale, and all the other phases of model airplanes that I have enjoyed over the years. Therefore, I am unhappy with the decline in the content of Model Aviation, I used to read most of the columns in Model Aviation. I have picked up a lot of ideas from them that have been useful in other types of models. Now most of these columns are gone. Alas, Model Aviation has followed the trend to slick up and dumb down the magazine for the illiterate generation. Lots of color pictures printed on glossy paper that is hard to read because of the glare and no drawings, schematics, and technical details of the models. Even the District Vice President's column has degenerated into nothing but pictures of clubs in their districts. I used to spend several hours reading Model Aviation. I spent less than 10 minutes reading the last issue on Model Aviation because there was only three articles that included any technical content. I had my own roll-up spray booth over 30 years ago, I have been carving wing tips from balsa blocks for over 60 years, and I no longer build scale models that need louvers so these articles didn't take long to scan. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
I remember hearing somewhere that AMA has had some members stopping in wanting to fly at the AMA site but were disappointed that they were denied because there was an official event on the site. Don't remember where I heard this. I have certainly never heard of any problems with local fliers complaining about not being able to fly at the AMA site. I can understand why many sailplane fliers don't want anything to do with contest the way most of them are conducted today. We seem to have two types of sailplane fliers. Those who only want to fly MOM and those who want nothing to do with contests. How about a contest somewhere in between MOM and fun flying. Used to be a lot of them but not any more. :-( Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Grumblings of an old man.
Where did you get this information. AMA cannot make changes. Only AMA members can submit rules change proposals. Then the change only becomes official after the Contest Board votes to approve it in a preliminary vote and again in a final vote. I just received the proposed changes to Soaring rules today for the 2007 rules change cycle and there was no proposal to change the class names in any of them. Summaries of all the proposals are published on the AMA web site. Chuck Anderson District V Soaring Contest Board member At 01:35 PM 10/18/2005, you wrote: There is not an Open class sailplane any longer. The Open sailplane class name was changed to Standard. My guess is that the AMA changed the name to eliminate any confusion with the Junior, Senior and Open classes, which refer to the pilot's age. But, by all means, let's call the Unlimited class Open and perpetuate the confusion. Maybe Unlimited is too long of a word. When someone says they have an Open class sailplane, are they referring to the old Standard class or is it one that can only be flown by someone 19 or older? It's disheartening when CDs of contests and vendors don't call sailplane classes by their proper names. A multiple age class contest with multiple sailplane classes should say: Junior:Unlimited, RES Senior: Unlimited, RES Open:Unlimited, RES, 2 Meter Or something similar. George MeyersWD6EQS AMA 2750 Fresno, California Graduierte, schule der harten klopfen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
