Re: [SoaS] Fedora 36 SoaS ISO spin beta ready for testing

[Walter Bender]

I gave it a quick series of tests (on the airplane -- didn't save the
logs, unfortunately)
(1) the Journal is throwing errors on all writes so no activities could save
(2) Physics activity had an error trying to create objects
(3) Abacus displays odd formatted numbers on the beads (b'5')
(4) I could change mouths, but not eyes on the Speak activity

I tested just about every activity that didn't obviously require a
network and they all seem to generally behave. (Wrote a fun new Turtle
project I may nominate to the examples.)

I'll write up some issues with logs when I get a chance.

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:12 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> The Fedora 36 beta was released earlier this week, and the SoaS spin is
> ready for testing. This 860 megabyte ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/36_Beta/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-36_Beta-1.4.iso
>
> Any testing reports are appreciated. Please test on both bare metal and
> in Virtual Machines, if possible.
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Re: [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Walter Bender]

Great job guys!!!

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:40 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.
>
> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed
> to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3
> .
>
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Re: [SoaS] Location of Turtle Blocks snapshots within directory structure?

[Walter Bender]

The object in the datastore is what you need. There are cmd line
utilities for grabbing objects from the Sugar datastore. A bit
awkward. Any reason you don't want to run a persistent image?

(If you use Turtle outside of Sugar (in gtk3) there is a separate save
to file option.)

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:36 AM bodosugar  wrote:
>
> Hello, what I need is a way of backing up the whole state of  the Turtle
> Blocks activity, and a way of restoring such a backup. I'm perfectly OK with
> doing all my programming using the Turtle Blocks activity on live Sugar (on
> a virtualized x86-64 in my particular case).
>
> The use cases for that are multiple:
> + protect my work against crashes,
> + come back to a known good TB state after having rebooted,
> + be able to resume work on a different live Sugar configuration, and
> + be able to take my TB creations to a different VM running on a different
> computer.
>
> All those needs would get addressed if someone could tell me "you can
> capture the whole state of the TB activity by backing up such and such
> file/sqlite rows/etc using the Terminal command line". It's easy for me to
> get files out of the VM running Sugar, and back into it. My problem is that
> I don't know *what* I need to back up.
>
> In particular, TB already has an option for saving a snapshot. All I see as
> a result is the creation of a new journal entry. Maybe such a TB-created
> snapshot corresponds to some files I can back up externally, then bring back
> whenever needed?
>
> I hope this makes it clear. Thanks for the tip about saving Python, I might
> need it in the future.
> Cheers,
> --Ken Irusta
>
>
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

[Walter Bender]

Thanks to everyone who helped with the release!!!


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:41 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
> of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
> downloaded from:
>
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
>
>
> It's one gigabyte in size.
>
> ..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
> or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.
>
>
> an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
> such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:
>
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
> The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.
>
> Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
> AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
> as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
> Sugar on a Stick.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
> Sugar Labs Contributor & Fedora Package Wrangler
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Retire Python 2

[Walter Bender]

ers an option to use it in case they still need
> it to run their (3rd party) software
> * it leaves Fedora packagers an option to keep using it (complicated,
> but possible)
>
> While:
>
> * it removes Python 2 software from Fedora that was only preserved so
> far by inaction
>
> Using Python 2 is dangerous. While the Fedora Python maintainers will
> try to fix as many security bugs as possible, without the upstream
> involvement this will be hard.
>
> Python 2 is deprecated since Fedora 30. This change moves Python 2
> from second class citizen to third class citizen.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
> ** retire {{package|python2}}
> ** introduce {{package|python27}}
> ** remove all {{package|python2}} dependent packages that do not have
> FESCo exceptions
> ** obsolete removed packages that break the upgrade path via
> {{package|fedora-obsolete-packages}}
> * Other developers:
> ** remove their {{package|python2}} dependent packages without exceptions
> ** get exceptions if needed
> ** fix broken dependencies
> * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8306 #8306]
> easeBlocking/Fedora{{FedoraVersionNumber|next}}|List of
> deliverables]]: none
> * Policies and guidelines: Python 2 packaging is against the
> guidelines since Fedora 30. Python 2 packaging guidelines will be
> removed from 
> [https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Python_Appendix/
> Python Appendix] (unless the FPC wants to keep them around until F31
> EOL).
> * Trademark approval: not needed for this Change
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> The majority of removed packages will be obsoleted and removed on upgrade.
>
> Users needing Python 2 libraries will not find these packaged as RPMs.
> They may install upstream versions using pip and virtualenv.
>
> == How To Test ==
> Try to update Fedora 30 or 31 to 32. No python2 packages should block
> the upgrade.
> Try to run Python 2 software via the {{package|python27}} package.
>
> == User Experience ==
> There will be close to zero Python 2 RPMs in Fedora repos. Users are
> encouraged to switch to Python 3 and/or use Python 2 virtual
> environments and pip for development.
>
> == Dependencies ==
> Ideally, all programs that use python2 would be switched to use
> python3. Although we don't expect everything to be switched over, as
> much as possible should be, so that the ripped remaining python2 set
> is small as possible.
>
> == Contingency Plan ==
> * Contingency mechanism:
> ** In case of serious issues, FESCo can issue a general exception for
> packages that would otherwise prevent Fedora 32 from being composed.
> ** If someone steps up to maintain Python 2 (including the full
> ecosystem of packages now in Fedora), they can decide to discontinue
> removing packages, revert this Change, or come up with another plan.
> (Note that in this case, current maintainers will most likely orphan
> many fundamental python2 packages.)
> * Contingency deadline: Fedora 32 Beta
> * Blocks release? in theory it should not, in practice, it may break
> the release and hence it will block it until fixed
> * Blocks product? all of them?
>
> == Documentation ==
> This page should serve as the documentation.
>
> == Release Notes ==
> TBD.
>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

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ts/connect-activity/
> >
> > > sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity
> >
> > > sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto
> >
> > > sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3
> >
> > > sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port needed.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
> > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4526
> >
> > > sugar-labyrinth-0:16-10.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Embeds Labyrinth upstream sources.  Labyrinth upstream
> > has not finished porting yet.  A partial port by a GCI student is in
> > our repository but doesn't work.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/labyrinth-team/labyrinth
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity/issues/1
> >
> > > sugar-moon-0:18-2.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Port completed.  Released.  Use v19.
> >
> > > sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/playgo-activity
> >
> > > sugar-srilanka-0:3-8.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> > maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/iknowSriLanka
> >
> > > sugar-starchart-0:16-9.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing
> > maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/starchart/pull/6
> >
> > > sugar-view-slides-0:8-19.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/viewslides
> >
> > > sugar-xomail
> >
> > No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sweetmail (abandoned work in progress)
> >
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Re: [SoaS] Developing the Sugar Learning Platform for OEMs

[Walter Bender]

Sounds like a solid approach to an easier path to installing Sugar. I'll
try testing it this weekend. Thx.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Ryan Cunningham <storybo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sugar Labs,
>
> I am Ryan Cunningham, an active user of the Sugar Learning Platform
> (even now as I compose this message!). I have autism and seizure
> disorder and have contributed prior work to Sugar Labs, including
> changes to the "About My Computer" configuration panel to render the
> GNU GPL in a monospace font (because it is a plain text file with a
> 79-character margin).
>
> According to Red Hat's Brand Standards, Mohandas Gandhi said "First
> they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you
> win." (Though no evidence was found that Gandhi actually said this.)
> This quote inspired Red Hat's journey as a company, from the
> open-source outlier in a Windows 98 world to the provider of
> technology serving as the backbone of many of today's Web sites.
>
> What if we said the same thing about the journey of Sugar Labs? What
> if Sugar Labs broke through a world of American educational computing
> now dominated by Chrome OS?
>
> I believe the best way that Sugar Labs can do so is to market its
> software to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). By doing so, the
> Sugar Learning Platform can achieve a wider market share in
> more-developed countries and be accessible to more students, teachers,
> and parents.
>
> In order to aid with doing so, I am hereby releasing under the GNU
> General Public License, version 3 (or any later version), a script
> (called "Sugar Factory") which will install and configure the Sugar
> Learning Platform to run on any desktop, laptop, notebook, or tablet
> computer in the process of manufacturing or preparation for secondhand
> sale. This script uses a hard-coded partitioning scheme where all
> files reside in the root partition--except, for UEFI-compliant
> systems, a 512-megabyte EFI System Partition will be created at the
> beginning of the disk and mounted at /boot/efi. (GPT partitioning is
> not supported.)
>
> Original equipment manufacturers that use this script may either flash
> the operating system (which is a modified version of Sugar on a Stick)
> directly to each device, or create an intermediate image and flash
> that (which is a /lot/ faster). Also, they may make whatever
> modifications they desire (or none at all) to the finished operating
> system, and may choose to use the Sugar, Python Powered, and/or Fedora
> Remix logos on the packaging and/or other promotional materials of
> products that contain it.
>
> I have also attached the license and the output from my last test run
> of this script (which was successful).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ryan Cunningham
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Re: [SoaS] An Introduction

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Mike Stroud <midrandopensou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Group,
>
> My name is Mike, and I live in South Africa. I have been an avid Open
> Source and GNU/Linux for a number of years. I am trying to introduce Open
> Source software into South African schools, but they are set in their ways
> (read: they use Microsoft).
>
> I would like to help but I'm not a coder (I used to know COBOL). I could
> do testing and help with QA, though.
>
> One thing I've spotted already:
>
> the website https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Joining_Sugar_on_a_Stick#
> Introduce_yourself
>
> has the option to "Go to the Sugar on a Stick project on OpenHatch".
> <http://openhatch.org/+projects/Sugar%20on%20a%20Stick>
>

Oh. That page in the wiki is a bit stake (last edited 7 years ago). I'm not
sure anyone is maintaining the OpenHatch project anymore. But I will fix
the link nonetheless. Feel free to use this email list for questions (or
come to our our IRC channel: irc.freenode.net #sugar or chat.sugarlabs.org).

> <http://openhatch.org/+projects/Sugar%20on%20a%20Stick>
>
> but when you click on it it takes you to a "404 Not Found". It goes to:
>
> http://openhatch.org/+projects/Sugar%20on%20a%20Stick
>
> when it should be:
>
> https://openhatch.org/projects/Sugar%20on%20a%20Stick
>
> (there's an uneccessary "+" in the URL).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
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Re: [SoaS] Fix to Paint-65 text brush

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Raul Benitez <rbeni...@paraguayeduca.org>
wrote:

> It is the Paint-65 activity preinstalled in SoaS 25. The functionalities
> of the Paint activity should work for a training of teachers.
>
> Regards!
> Raúl Benítez
>
> 2017-02-15 11:36 GMT-03:00 <soas-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org>:
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1

[Walter Bender]

Quozl submitted a patch to fix the problem:

https://github.com/sugarlabs/paint-activity/commit/7e74623513fa170fb568f149a703cfc489965ebf

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Raul Benitez 
wrote:

> Yes, I need direction and assistance to be able to debug and fix it
> myself, please.
>
> Regards!
> Raul Benitez
>
>
> 2017-02-09 14:00 GMT-03:00 :
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>> Hi all
>>
>>
>> In Fedora SoaS 25 the Paint-65 activity does not work. The last lines of
>> the error log is:
>>
>> *File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Paint.activity/Area.py", line 1754, in
>> set_tool_cursor*
>> *cursor = Gdk.Cursor.new_from_name(display, name)*
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Speak activity with Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Walter Bender]

Please use:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29097/speak-50.xo

I inadvertently uploaded the wrong file earlier.

-walter

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Could you try the new Speak version released by Walter?

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29096/speak-50.xo

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 Hello Gonzalo,

 The problem
 - is not about the Memorize activity
 - but about the Speak activity.

 Please find log files of two short sessions trying only
 to start the Speak activity in English or in French.



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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Speak activity with Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Walter Bender]

I will investigate. But it launched!! That is progress.

-walter

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello Gonzalo and Walter,

 Le 15/04/2015 16:08, Walter Bender a écrit :
 Please use:

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29097/speak-50.xo

 I inadvertently uploaded the wrong file earlier.

 -walter

 On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org 
 wrote:
 Could you try the new Speak version released by Walter?

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29096/speak-50.xo

 I just updated Speak-49 into Speak-50
 using the standard menus My Settings  Software Update.

 Thank you for your changes :
 now Speak starts in English, French or Spanish.

 But there is still a problem found in December 2014
 ([SoaS] messages on December 4, 2014 about Speak-48)

 Speak-50 (Parler-50) seems to work correctly
 if we ask to speak in [English-USA] or in [French-France].

 If we ask to speak in [French-Belgium]
 it always says French-Belgium whatever the proposed text !

 For many years, Speak has been able to distinguish different
 national pronunciations
 e.g.
 90 - quatre-vingt dix in [French-France]
   correctly pronounced by Speak-50
 90 - nonante in [French-Belgium]
   pronounced French-Belgium by Speak-50 !

 NB: This problem may not be linked to Fedora-SoaS.
 I just found the same problem with
 [Ubuntu 14.04.1 + Sugar 0.94.1 + Speak-46] !

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]



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Re: [SoaS] Speak-49 with Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Walter Bender]

oops. I'll take care of it.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh, you didn't do a tarball or an announcement so I could bother
 you about the lack of a tarball ;-)

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Speak/

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I released v50 a while back to remove the Numeric fallback. Not sure
 why numpy is not being found.

 -walter

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org 
 wrote:
 The error is:

 import fft_mouth
 from Numeric import ceil
 ImportError: No module named Numeric

 But the code say:

 try:
 from numpy.oldnumeric import ceil
 from numpy.fft import *
 except:
 from Numeric import ceil
 from FFT import *

 In my F21, the numpy imports work ok.

 Maybe we should add numpy as a dependency for the sugar-speak rpm?

 It already is, and has been for years, I checked ;-). Speak was the
 only Activity that doesn't at least start for RC1, I didn't really
 test any in more detail, and when it ran numpy was installed. The only
 real difference I can see was a move from 1.9.1 to .2 at the beginning
 of march.

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Re: [SoaS] How to swtich from Gnome to Sugar-Desktop in Fedora 2

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:

How are you? Still in Singapore?


 Hi Walter,

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Btw, there is a bug in sugar-desktop that doesn't allow you to log-out
  just
  pressing BACK button once.
 
  Why I should select gender and age if I don't want to use it? I mean if
  someone select the Sugar desktop by mistake and hit login..
  he should able to quit instead of get in to Sugar Desktop. :)
 

 I've not tested the exact configuration you are using, but the gender
 and age fields are not required... you should be able to skip them.


 Is there any change of desktop/apps if we select the gender and age?
 for example different interface for teacher and another one for kids.

 This is the first time I have seen it. :)

Age was new to Sugar 102 and age/grade/gender was added in Sugar 104.

There are a few places where age is taken into consideration: for
example the Speak activity robot will assume the age of the user.
Also, the teacher share activity behaves differently for adults than
kids. As far as I know, the gender attribute is not used by any
activities. Again, please note that these are not required fields and
can be left blank or blanked out at any time.


 I just select all sugar packages in fedora 21 repository.

Also, you should be able to remove those fields from the CP section at
 any time.

 What you meant by CP section?

Sorry for the shorthand: Control Panel (under My Settings in the hover
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Re: [SoaS] How to swtich from Gnome to Sugar-Desktop in Fedora 2

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Btw, there is a bug in sugar-desktop that doesn't allow you to log-out just
 pressing BACK button once.

 Why I should select gender and age if I don't want to use it? I mean if
 someone select the Sugar desktop by mistake and hit login..
 he should able to quit instead of get in to Sugar Desktop. :)


I've not tested the exact configuration you are using, but the gender
and age fields are not required... you should be able to skip them.
Also, you should be able to remove those fields from the CP section at
any time.


 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi james,

 Thanks for your response.

 Finally I found the place I should hit. ;-)
 Its on top-right corner and I could able to switch from gnome 3 to either
 gnome clasic or sugar.
 I did not install anything including olpc-utlils package.

 Thanks again!



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 olpc-switch-desktop is intended for use with /usr/sbin/olpc-dm which
 is part of olpc-utils package.  There is no login screen when using
 /usr/sbin/olpc-dm, and so there is only one user expected.

 Your chosen display manager package should provide desktop choice.
 Are you using gdm?  If so, after installing Gnome desktop and Sugar
 desktop packages, the choice should be on the login screen.

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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Walter Bender]

 that will improve
 Fedora for use as a server in your environment.

• Database Server Role: Fedora 21 introduced Rolekit, a daemon for
  Linux systems that provides a stable D-Bus interface to manage
  deployment of server roles. The Fedora 22 release adds onto that
  work with a database server role based on PostgreSQL.

• Cockpit Updates: The Cockpit Web-based management application has
  been updated to the latest upstream release which adds many new
  features as well as a modular design for adding new functionality.

 Fedora 22 Workstation
 =

 As always, Fedora carries a number of improvements to make life better
 for its desktop users! Here's some of the goodness you'll get in Fedora
 22 Workstation edition.

 Enhancements:

• The GNOME Shell notification system has been redesigned and
  subsumed into the calendar widget.
• The Terminal now notifies you when a long running job completes.
• The login screen now uses Wayland by default. This is a step
  towards replacing X with Wayland, and users should not actually
  notice the difference.
• Installation of GStreamer codecs, fonts, and certain document types
  is now handled by Software, instead of gnome-packagekit.
• The Automatic Bug Reporting Tool (ABRT) now features better
  notifications, and uses the privacy control panel in GNOME to
  control information sent.

 Appearance:

• The Nautilus file manager has been improved to use GActions, from
  the deprecated GtkAction APIs, for a better, more consistent
  experience.
• The GNOME Shell has a refreshed theme for better usability.
• The Qt/Adwaita theme is now code complete, and Qt notifications
  have been improved for smoother experience using Qt-based apps in
  Workstation.

 Under the covers:

• The libinput library is now used for both X11 and Wayland for
  consistent input device handling.

 Spins

• Plasma 5, the successor to KDE Plasma 4, is now the default
  workspace in the Fedora KDE spin.

• The Xfce spin has been updated to Xfce 4.12 just in time for the
  Alpha release. This release has an enormous number of improvements,
  including HiDPI support, improvements to window tiling, support for
  Gtk3 plugins, and many improvements for multi-monitor support.

 Issues and Details
 ==

 This is an Alpha release. As such, we expect that you may encounter
 bugs or missing features. To report issues encountered during testing,
 contact the Fedora QA team via the test mailing list or in #fedora-qa
 on freenode.

 As testing progresses, common issues are tracked on the Common F22 Bugs
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 For tips on reporting a bug effectively, read how to file a bug
 report: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report

 Release Schedule
 

 The full release schedule is available on the Fedora wiki:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule

 The current schedule calls for a beta release in the middle of April,
 and a final release in the second half of May.

 These dates are subject to change, pending any major bugs or issues
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Finally got Beta 22 running. (for some reason, liveusb only works in
 dd mode for me). Two issues so far: (1) missing Numerics package when

 By numerics do you mean numpy?

I guess so. I think Numeric may be a deprecated package?

try:
from numpy.oldnumeric import ceil
from numpy.fft import *
except:
from Numeric import ceil
from FFT import *


 trying to run the Speak activity; (2) when I tried to skip specifying
 gender and age, it failed to finish the launch.

 -walter

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Thomas Gilliard satelli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 03/14/2015 04:15 AM, Jean THIERY wrote:

 Hello,

 Thank you for this information.

 Where can we simply find the newest iso file (Fedora+Sugar) ?


 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/

 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Beta-TC1.iso
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Beta-TC1.iso

 you can also follow links to nightly builds here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Beta_TC1_Installation?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_23

 Tom Gilliard
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 === Original message ===
 Le 10/03/2015 19:52, Peter Robinson a écrit :

 Hi All,

 Fedora 22 Alpha is out. Please test SoaS v22 :-)

 There's a few minor known issues:
 * Obviously 0.104.1 isn't in it just yet [1] :-)
 * gabble and salut are missing, to fix: sudo yum install
 telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut on the command line. This is already
 fixed and will be in the nightly builds RSN

 There's also a number of Activities that have issues so please test,
 fix and if necessary let me know if you need some help!

 [1] Update is
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-runner-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-datastore-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-artwork-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-0.104.1-1.fc22


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Re: [SoaS] Physics-23 and Physics-24 tests with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5

[Walter Bender]

Seems that the badge patch was not applied properly. Will try a fix. Stay tuned.

-walter

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 *Happy New Year for SugarLabs et al* !

 Thank you for the new iso image
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5.iso » (Dec-2014)
 posted on the « Sugar on a Sick » Web page
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick

 Two USB keys were prepared:
 one in [English-US] and one in [French-France].

 This message reports results of simple tests
 on the Physics activity.


 Physics-23 =

 Physics-23 seems to work without any problem.


 Physics-24 =

 Physics-24 is proposed as an update !

 *Physics-24* is blocked
 - if we try to rotate an object with the motor icon [ctrl-M].
 - if we try to pin an object with the pin icon [ctrl-O].
 - if we try to follow an object with the track icon [ctrl-R].

 Grab [ctrl-G], Joint [ctrl-J] and Chain [ctrl-I]
 seem to work correctly.

 [English-US] and [French-France] versions seem to present
 the same behavior.

 The corresponding log files are included.

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Re: [SoaS] Speak-48 with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5

[Walter Bender]

I'll try to look into this over the next day or two.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 To whom it may concern,

 Hello,

 Thank you for many improvements in Speak-48 (Parler-48).

 The following tests were run with the new version of Fedora-SoaS
 Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5.iso   2014-12-03 21:05  713M
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_RC5/Live/i386/
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
 initially parameterized in [French-France].


 Speak-48 (Parler-48) seems to work correctly
 if we ask to speak in [English-USA] or in [French-France].

 If we ask to speak in [French-Belgium]
 it always says French-Belgium whatever the proposed text !

 For many years, Speak has been able to distinguish different
 national pronunciations
 e.g.
 90 - quatre-vingt dix in [French-France]
   correctly pronounced by Speak-48
 90 - nonante in [French-Belgium]
   pronounced French-Belgium by Speak-48 !


 NB: This problem may not be linked to Fedora-Soas.
 I just found the same problem with
 [Ubuntu 14.04.1 + Sugar 0.94.1 + Speak-46] !


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Re: [SoaS] Pippy-62 with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5

[Walter Bender]

I'll look into the tutorial errors but the physics bug I thought we
fixed. Maybe the new version (62) did not make it into the build?

-walter

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 To whom it may concern,

 Hello,

 The following tests were run with the new version of Fedora-SoaS
 Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5.iso   2014-12-03 21:05  713M
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_RC5/Live/i386/
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
 initially parameterized in [French-France].

 Pippy-62 works well except for 3 tests.

 Graphics  Physics =

 Cannot load.

 I got the message :
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File: /home/liveuser/.sugar/default/org.laptop.Pippy/tmp/Physics.py,
   line 10, in module
 from pippy import physics
 ImportError: cannot import name physics

 More information on the attached file.


 Tutorials  Tutorial_03_range.py ===

 « if number1  number2 »  should be  « if number1  number2 »


 Tutorials  Tutorial_06_try_except.py ==

 « input »  should be  « raw_input »


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Re: [SoaS] Testing Sugar Activities of Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC3

[Walter Bender]

Could you please attach a log file from Portfolio?

thx

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 To whom it may concern,

 Hello,

 Today I run tests on the new version of SoaS live :
 Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC3.iso (2014-11-22).
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_TC3/Live/i386/

 Thank you for many improvements compared to
 Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso (2014-11).
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 - Help-18 (replacing) Help-17.2 seems to work normally
 - Physics-23 (replacing Physics-22) works OK
 - Pippy-62 (replacing Pippy-61) works much better
   (but I found new problems : see a future message).

 Walter : THANK YOU for changes in Physics and Pippy

 Below you will find comments on

 - EToys-116Ref: Iain Brown Douglas on 2014-11-21
 - Jukebox-??
 - Memorize-??  Ref: Iain Brown Douglas on 2014-11-21
 - Portfolio-44
 - Read-??
 - Speak-48 Ref: Iain Brown Douglas on 2014-11-21
 - Write-95

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 === Detailed comments =

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC3.iso » (Nov-2014)
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 Tests were performed after setting the language into French
 (like previous tests on Beta-4).
 The corresponding English versions could behave differently !

 Systematic tests were not performed,
 only simple tests were launched.


 
 General comments
 

 In the French version, there is no icon in the « My parameters » menu
 for changing from the Sugar environment into the Gnome environment.

 the Safety Wifi Code « Clé de chiffrement » is not stored.
 It has to be retyped for each new Wifi connexion.

 How can we install an earlier version of an activity
 when the present version does not work ?
 See below for different activities.


 
 List of Activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in the TC3 version (2014-11-22)
 


 EToys-116 ==

 EToys-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on « okay »,
 the screen is filled by cars and is not usable.

 EToys-113 was downloaded from SugarLabs and installed
 but EToys-116 was still appearing in the activity list!


 Jukebox-?? - 26 ===

 *Jukebox* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Jukebox* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Jukebox* line).

 Jukebox-26 was downloaded from SugarLabs and installed.
 Jukebox-26 now appears in the activity circle (*Jukebox* icon)
and in the activity list (*Jukebox* line).
 Jukebox-26 seems to works normally.


 Memorize-?? - 45 ==

 *Memorize* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Memorize* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Memorize* line).

 Memorize-45 was downloaded from SugarLabs and installed.
 Memorize-45 now appears in the activity circle (*Memorize* icon)
 and in the activity list (*Memorize* line).
 Memorize-45 seems to works normally.


 Portfolio-44 ==

 Portfolio-44 cannot start - « Read n'a pas pu être démarré ».


 Read-?? - 92 ==

 *Read* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Read* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Read* line).

 Read-92 was downloaded from SugarLabs and installed.
 Read-92 does not appear in the activity list.
 Read-92 appears in the activity circle
 but could not start - « Read n'a pas pu être démarré ».


 Speak-48 ===

 Speak-48, works in type some text mode. In ask a question mode
 Alice always replies I do not understand what you are talking about
 Réf: Iain Brown Douglas on 2014-11-21


 Write-95 ===

 Write-95 quits if we try to pronounce a selected text
 with the text-to-speech icon.


 ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES ===

 No apparent problem : THANK YOU



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Re: [SoaS] Physics and Pippy tests - SoaS v11 beta 4 : tests with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Good catch. Seems that Pippy imports from Physics so I will have to
update the renamed module path there too.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello Walter,

 Yesterday, *Physics* was working fine with your suggestion
 to remove the directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 (see below).

 Today I tried to run the *Physics* example of *Pippy*.
 I got the message « ImportError: cannot import name Physics ».
 with the directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 OR with the renamed directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements_old

 All other Pippy activities in Sections *Graphics* or *Math*
 seem to work correctly.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===
 Répondre à : jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 Pour : Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 Copie à : Sugar on a Stick soas@lists.sugarlabs.org, GROSE Frederick
 fgr...@gmail.com, ROBINSON Peter pbrobin...@gmail.com

 Hello Walter,

 Le 16/11/2014 15:23, Walter Bender a écrit :

 thanks for the log files. very helpful.

 re Physics, I am not sure why, but the wrong version of elements is
 being accessed. It should be importing from elements/elements but it
 must be getting elements from the system somewhere. Please try
 removing /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements to see if that
 improves things. I'll work on a work-around if it does.


 Physics seems to work normally since I have renamed
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 into
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements

 More precisely:

 PHYSICS-22 =

 *Physics* is blocked if we try to displace an object
 with the hand icon [ctrl-G].
 This is an old problem in the French version
 (and in other languages ?).


 The hand icon now works correctly.

 The motor [ctrl-M] sometimes behaves like a simple nail [ctrl-O]
 with no movement !


 Objects now move if they are not blocked by other objects?

 There is (always ?) an error message
 « erreur d'enregistrement » = « writing message »
 when leaving *Physics* !


 The Physics session is now correctly saved.

 NB:

 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 seems to be automatically renamed into
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 when the computer is restarted !


 regards

 -walter


 Thank you for the correction.

 I will try to check other problems (see below)
 as soon as possible.

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 Hello,

 Le 15/11/2014 23:08, Walter Bender a écrit :


 Any chance you could post a log file from the Physics activity?
 Sounds like somehow you are seeing the wrong version
 of the box2d library.



 Enclosed, you will find a copy of tests
 run yesterday and today on most activities including Physics.

 Don't hesitate to ask for more information.

 regards.

 -walter



 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:


 To whom it may concern:

 Hello,

 Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v14 beta 4
 with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution.

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso » (Nov-2014)
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 All tests were performed after setting the language into French.
 The corresponding English versions could behave differently !

 Systematic tests were not performed,
 only simple tests were launched.

 THANK YOU very much for many improvements in SoaS 11.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 
 General comment
 

 In the French version, there is no icon in the « My parameters » menu
 for changing into the Gnome environment.


 
 List of Activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in the Beta-4 version
 


 COUNTRY-33 =

 COUNTRY-33 is displayed in English.
 It may have been translated into other languages like French (?).


 ETOYS-116 ==

 ETOYS-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on this message,
 the screen is filled by cars and is not usable.


 HELP-17.2 ==

 *Help* could not start - « Help n'a pas pu être démarré

Re: [SoaS] Physics and Pippy tests - SoaS v11 beta 4 : tests with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

I updated Pippy (v62) to presumably fix the problem. Please test.

regards.

-walter

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good catch. Seems that Pippy imports from Physics so I will have to
 update the renamed module path there too.

 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info 
 wrote:
 Hello Walter,

 Yesterday, *Physics* was working fine with your suggestion
 to remove the directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 (see below).

 Today I tried to run the *Physics* example of *Pippy*.
 I got the message « ImportError: cannot import name Physics ».
 with the directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 OR with the renamed directory
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements_old

 All other Pippy activities in Sections *Graphics* or *Math*
 seem to work correctly.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===
 Répondre à : jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 Pour : Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 Copie à : Sugar on a Stick soas@lists.sugarlabs.org, GROSE Frederick
 fgr...@gmail.com, ROBINSON Peter pbrobin...@gmail.com

 Hello Walter,

 Le 16/11/2014 15:23, Walter Bender a écrit :

 thanks for the log files. very helpful.

 re Physics, I am not sure why, but the wrong version of elements is
 being accessed. It should be importing from elements/elements but it
 must be getting elements from the system somewhere. Please try
 removing /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements to see if that
 improves things. I'll work on a work-around if it does.


 Physics seems to work normally since I have renamed
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 into
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements

 More precisely:

 PHYSICS-22 =

 *Physics* is blocked if we try to displace an object
 with the hand icon [ctrl-G].
 This is an old problem in the French version
 (and in other languages ?).


 The hand icon now works correctly.

 The motor [ctrl-M] sometimes behaves like a simple nail [ctrl-O]
 with no movement !


 Objects now move if they are not blocked by other objects?

 There is (always ?) an error message
 « erreur d'enregistrement » = « writing message »
 when leaving *Physics* !


 The Physics session is now correctly saved.

 NB:

 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 seems to be automatically renamed into
 /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements
 when the computer is restarted !


 regards

 -walter


 Thank you for the correction.

 I will try to check other problems (see below)
 as soon as possible.

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 Hello,

 Le 15/11/2014 23:08, Walter Bender a écrit :


 Any chance you could post a log file from the Physics activity?
 Sounds like somehow you are seeing the wrong version
 of the box2d library.



 Enclosed, you will find a copy of tests
 run yesterday and today on most activities including Physics.

 Don't hesitate to ask for more information.

 regards.

 -walter



 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:


 To whom it may concern:

 Hello,

 Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v14 beta 4
 with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution.

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso » (Nov-2014)
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 All tests were performed after setting the language into French.
 The corresponding English versions could behave differently !

 Systematic tests were not performed,
 only simple tests were launched.

 THANK YOU very much for many improvements in SoaS 11.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 
 General comment
 

 In the French version, there is no icon in the « My parameters » menu
 for changing into the Gnome environment.


 
 List of Activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in the Beta-4 version
 


 COUNTRY-33 =

 COUNTRY-33 is displayed in English.
 It may have been translated into other languages like French (?).


 ETOYS-116 ==

 ETOYS-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on this message

Re: [SoaS] SoaS v11 beta 4 : tests with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Perhaps prematurely, I released Physics-23 which should end-run the
problem with the elements package. Please test when you get a chance.

regards,

-walter

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks for the log files. very helpful.

 re Physics, I am not sure why, but the wrong version of elements is
 being accessed. It should be importing from elements/elements but it
 must be getting elements from the system somewhere. Please try
 removing /usr/lib/python2.7site-packages/elements to see if that
 improves things. I'll work on a work-around if it does.


 regards

 -walter

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info 
 wrote:
 Hello,

 Le 15/11/2014 23:08, Walter Bender a écrit :

 Any chance you could post a log file from the Physics activity?
 Sounds like somehow you are seeing the wrong version
 of the box2d library.


 Enclosed, you will find a copy of tests
 run yesterday and today on most activities including Physics.

 Don't hesitate to ask for more information.

 regards.

 -walter


 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Previous message ===

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 To whom it may concern:

 Hello,

 Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v14 beta 4
 with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution.

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso » (Nov-2014)
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 All tests were performed after setting the language into French.
 The corresponding English versions could behave differently !

 Systematic tests were not performed,
 only simple tests were launched.

 THANK YOU very much for many improvements in SoaS 11.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 
 General comment
 

 In the French version, there is no icon in the « My parameters » menu
 for changing into the Gnome environment.


 
 List of Activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in the Beta-4 version
 


 COUNTRY-33 =

 COUNTRY-33 is displayed in English.
 It may have been translated into other languages like French (?).


 ETOYS-116 ==

 ETOYS-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on this message,
 the screen is filled by cars and is not usable.


 HELP-17.2 ==

 *Help* could not start - « Help n'a pas pu être démarré ».


 JUKEBOX-?? =

 *Jukebox* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Jukebox* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Jukebox* line).


 MEMORIZE-?? 

 *Memorize* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Memorize* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Memorize* line).


 PHYSICS-22 =

 *Physics* is blocked if we try to displace an object
 with the hand icon [ctrl-G].
 This is an old problem in the French version
 (and in other languages ?).

 The motor [ctrl-M] sometimes behaves like a simple nail [ctrl-O]
 with no movement !

 There is (always ?) an error message
 « erreur d'enregistrement » = « writing message »
 when leaving *Physics* !


 READ-?? 

 *Read* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Read* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Read* line).


 SPEAK-48 ===

 *Speak* behaves like an English-speaking robot in all 3 modes
 - « Read a text »
 - « Ask a question to the robot »
 - « Discussion »
 with an English voice (no word in French).


 TYPING-TURTLE-30 ===

 Only partially translated into French.


 WRITE-95 ===

 *Write* quits if we try to pronounce a selected text
 with the text-to-speech icon.


 ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES ===

 No apparent problem : THANK YOU








 --
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 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org



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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v11 beta 4 : tests with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Any chance you could post a log file from the Physics activity? Sounds
like somehow you are seeing the wrong version of the box2d library.

regards.

-walter

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 To whom it may concern:

 Hello,

 Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v14 beta 4
 with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution.

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso » (Nov-2014)
 https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

 All tests were performed after setting the language into French.
 The corresponding English versions could behave differently !

 Systematic tests were not performed,
 only simple tests were launched.

 THANK YOU very much for many improvements in SoaS 11.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 
 General comment
 

 In the French version, there is no icon in the « My parameters » menu
 for changing into the Gnome environment.


 
 List of Activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in the Beta-4 version
 


 COUNTRY-33 =

 COUNTRY-33 is displayed in English.
 It may have been translated into other languages like French (?).


 ETOYS-116 ==

 ETOYS-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on this message,
 the screen is filled by cars and is not usable.


 HELP-17.2 ==

 *Help* could not start - « Help n'a pas pu être démarré ».


 JUKEBOX-?? =

 *Jukebox* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Jukebox* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Jukebox* line).


 MEMORIZE-?? 

 *Memorize* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Memorize* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Memorize* line).


 PHYSICS-22 =

 *Physics* is blocked if we try to displace an object
 with the hand icon [ctrl-G].
 This is an old problem in the French version
 (and in other languages ?).

 The motor [ctrl-M] sometimes behaves like a simple nail [ctrl-O]
 with no movement !

 There is (always ?) an error message
 « erreur d'enregistrement » = « writing message »
 when leaving *Physics* !


 READ-?? 

 *Read* appears in « /usr/share/sugar/activities »
 but does not appear in the activity circle (no *Read* icon)
 nor in the activity list (no *Read* line).


 SPEAK-48 ===

 *Speak* behaves like an English-speaking robot in all 3 modes
 - « Read a text »
 - « Ask a question to the robot »
 - « Discussion »
 with an English voice (no word in French).


 TYPING-TURTLE-30 ===

 Only partially translated into French.


 WRITE-95 ===

 *Write* quits if we try to pronounce a selected text
 with the text-to-speech icon.


 ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES ===

 No apparent problem : THANK YOU




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Re: [SoaS] Pippy - SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Put a new Pippy-54.xo on people.sugarlabs.org/walter

* copy/paste is fixed
* Jean's new Life code in place
* a few tweaks to the tutorials

-walter

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 Le 14/12/2013 16:10, Walter Bender a écrit :

 Please test using http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Pippy-54.xo


 Thank you for this new version well adapted to developments.

 NB 1: Paste [^V] don't seem to work
   so it is not possible to test Copy [^C].

 NB 2: There are still problems with sound examples
   but I have to load TamTam !


 I think the sound examples should all work, as long as TamTam is
 installed and working.
  Answer in a future message.


 Life seems to work but classical figures do not appear :
 - no stable squares,
 - no oscillating bars,
 - ...


 NB 3: Life seems to work now : see the attached file
   tested on Sugar TC5 with Pippy-54.xo
   http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC5/Live/i386/
   and on DrPython (Ubuntu Linux)
   http://drpython.sourceforge.net/

 Now, classical figures do appear
 - stable squares, pentagons, hexagons, ...
 - oscillating bars, ...


 The problem is not a problem between Python and Sugar
 but a problem within the Python program,
 probably when counting nearest neighbors.

 I hope to be able to analyze this problem on Saturday or Sunday.


 The problem was a Python problem.

 Main changes :

 *DrawGrid* displays the number of neighbors of living cells.
 This is useful for tests but can be reversed later on.

 *CountNeighbors* has been changed for proper counts.

 *Iteraction* : the current grid is saved in grid0
 since neighbors should be counted in the initial grid.

 The grid is now rectangular for a larger display.
 The width/height ratio should be adapted on the last line.


 thanks.


 regards.

 -walter


 Sincerely hours,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]




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Re: [SoaS] Pippy - SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Please test using http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Pippy-54.xo

regards.

-walter

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Le 12/12/2013 23:13, Walter Bender a écrit :

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 Le 12/12/2013 13:56, Walter Bender a écrit :

 ...

 Yes. Although I need to clean up the code included with Pippy.
 (A new Pippy will be released soon as well.)


 Thank you for this future Pippy version.


 Could you test http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Pippy-51.xo ?


 I will do it during the week-end because I cannot do it presently.


 On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 23:43:31 +0100 jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote

 pippy-53 seems to work [ok] in general
 *but has PROBLEMS with some Python examples*
 *such as Life and ALL sounds*


 I think the sound examples should all work, as long as TamTam is
 installed and working.

 For *sounds* there are messages such as
 « NameError: global name '...' is not defined »

 For *Life* there is an old problem
 probably due to boundary conditions
 i.e, problems in matrix indexes.


 I couldn't find any problem with Life.
 Could you explain in more detail the problem?


 Life seems to work but classical figures do not appear :
 - no stable squares,
 - no oscillating bars,
 - ...

 The problem is not a problem between Python and Sugar
 but a problem within the Python program,
 probably when counting nearest neighbors.

 I hope to be able to analyze this problem on Saturday or Sunday.


 thanks.

 regards.

 -walter


 Sincerely hours,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]



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Re: [SoaS] Physics - SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 Le 12/12/2013 05:14, Frederick Grose a écrit :

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Fred,

 Thanks for testing.

 Peter,

 Is there any reason we need elements in the build ? I don't think it is
 *used by anything but Physics in Sugar* and Physics carries its own copy
 with it.

 -walter


 Thank you for your interest in the *Physics activity*
 which is important
 - as a simple game for young children

It is a dynamic paint program :). One of the new features in the next
release is a pen you can attach to objects to trace their paths.

 - and as a teaching tool for older children.

 There is also a *Physics Python program* in Pippy.
 A simple display with no apparent interactivity (and no hand).

 Do they use common tools ?

Yes. Although I need to clean up the code included with Pippy. (A new
Pippy will be released soon as well.)

 Gary Martin has a Physics-11 in Fedora and the Activity Library,

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4193#version-11

 that is installed in SoaS.  This is what I must have been launching
 when I clicked the Physics.xo item in my Documents folder in the
 Journal.

 Copying Walter's Physics-11.xo to the Journal and launching from there
 (after erasing the original Physics-11.xo) AND hiding
 /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/elements was effective in launching
 and running Physics in Fedora 20 TC5.

--Fred


 Sincerely hours,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]


regards.

-walter
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Re: [SoaS] Pippy - SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:


 [Axul-bureau][Axul-debats][Axul-linux]
 Merci pour votre message recopié ci-dessous avec quelques réponses.

 A bientôt sur Internet,

 Jean Thiéry [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]
 Membre d'OLPC-France [http://olpc-france.org/wiki/]
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 === Message original ===
 === Message antérieur ==

 Le 12/12/2013 13:56, Walter Bender a écrit :

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info
 wrote:

 Hello,

 Le 12/12/2013 05:14, Frederick Grose a écrit :
 ...

 There is also a *Physics Python program* in Pippy.
 A simple display with no apparent interactivity (and no hand).

 Do they use common tools ?


 Yes. Although I need to clean up the code included with Pippy.
 (A new Pippy will be released soon as well.)


 Thank you for this future Pippy version.

Could you test http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Pippy-51.xo ?

 On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 23:43:31 +0100 jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote

 pippy-53 seems to work [ok] in general
 *but has PROBLEMS with some Python examples*
 *such as Life and ALL sounds*

I think the sound examples should all work, as long as TamTam is
installed and working.


 For *sounds* there are messages such as
 « NameError: global name '...' is not defined »

 For *Life* there is an old problem
 probably due to boundary conditions
 i.e, problems in matrix indexes.

I couldn't find any problem with Life. Could you explain in more
detail the problem?

 I hope to be able to analyze this index problem on Saturday or Sunday.

thanks.


 regards.

 -walter


 Sincerely hours,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]


-walter

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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Jean,

Would you please test this new version of Physics [1]? Not quite ready
for release, but I think (hope) it will run on F20 (SoaS).

thx

-walter

[1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Physics-11.xo

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v10 TC5
 with activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution.

 Tests were performed on a USB key prepared with
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-20-TC5.iso » (5-Dec-2013)
 http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC5/Live/i386/

 [ok] corresponds only to simple tests.
 Systematic tests were not performed.

 THANK YOU very much for new improvements in SoaS 10.

 Soon on Internet,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 
 List of important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution
 with problems in Beta-5 OR TC3 OR TC5 versions
 

 JUKEBOX 

 Beta-5 jukebox-26 seems to work [ok]
 Beta-5 BUT the proposed automatic updating to jukebox-32 STOPS
 Beta-5
 Beta-5 jukebox-32 is not downloadable on activities.sugarlabs

 TC3--- jukebox-26 seems to work [ok]
 TC3--- BUT the proposed automatic updating to jukebox-32 STOPS
 TC3---
 TC3--- jukebox-32 is not downloadable on activities.sugarlabs

 TC5--- Jukebox.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Jukebox DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)

 READ 

 Beta-5 Original read-92 appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 Beta-5 BUT does not appear on the user screen [F3 key]
 Beta-5
 Beta-5 read-92 installed later on by terminal [does not start]
 Beta-5 BUT can be updated automatically to read-111
 Beta-5
 Beta-5 read-111 updated from read-92 seems to work [ok]


 TC3--- Original read-92 appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC3--- BUT does not appear on the user screen [F3 key]
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-92 installed later on by terminal [does not start]
 TC3--- BUT can be updated automatically to read-111
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-111 updated from read-92 seems to work [ok]

 TC5--- Read.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Read DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)

 WRITE 

 Beta-5 Integrated write_79 [does not start]
 Beta-5 Installed write_94 [does not start]

 TC3--- Integrated write_94 seems to work [ok]

 TC5--- Integrated write_94 seems to work [ok]
 TC5--- BUT sometimes there are PROBLEMS with spelling texts (- quit)
 TC5--- and saving texts (- impossible to quit).




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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

Could check one thing for me?

Is elements installed in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/elements ?

If so, I suspect that there may be a conflict between that version and
the one packaged with Physics.

-walter

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jean,

 Would you please test this new version of Physics [1]? Not quite ready
 for release, but I think (hope) it will run on F20 (SoaS).

 thx

 -walter

 [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Physics-11.xo



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 Tested in Fedora 20 TC5 with
 sudo yum install @sugar-desktop sugar-runner xorg-x11-server-Xephyr

 Launched Physics-11.xo from the Documents folder,
 Dropped several triangles into the model,
 Switched to the grab tool,
 Tried to grab one of the triangles,
 Physics disappeared.

 Logs attached.

  --Fred


 Reopened this ticket,
 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3361#comment:27
  http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3361#comment:27

 attached the log, and .xo.





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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

could you try renaming the directory from elements to elements-foo ?
and then relaunch Sugar and try Physics again? just to ensure we are
getting the local copy of elements ?

thx

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Could check one thing for me?

 Is elements installed in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/elements ?


 Yes, there are 30 items in that folder.

 I've attached the elements.py file that was date 08/04/2013.


 If so, I suspect that there may be a conflict between that version and
 the one packaged with Physics.

 -walter



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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 could you try renaming the directory from elements to elements-foo ?
 and then relaunch Sugar and try Physics again? just to ensure we are
 getting the local copy of elements ?


 Did that; but it failed to start.

 Here is the log:
 ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (HippoCanvasBox)
 1386815703.690920 WARNING root: KeepButton has been deprecated since
 Sugar 0.94 and should not be used in newly written code.
 1386815703.693349 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.695499 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.699353 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.700839 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.702335 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.703794 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.705249 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.706773 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.709054 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.710725 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.712203 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.713677 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.715131 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.716829 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.718093 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 1386815703.719070 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 164, in module
 main()
   File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 159, in main
 instance = create_activity_instance(activity_constructor, activity_handle)
   File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 44, in create_activity_instance
 activity = constructor(handle)
   File /usr/share/sugar/activities/Physics.activity/activity.py,
 line 45, in __init__
 super(PhysicsActivity, self).__init__(handle)
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/olpcgames/activity.py, line
 106, in __init__
 canvas = self.build_canvas()
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/olpcgames/activity.py, line
 167, in build_canvas
 self._pgc.connect_game(self.game_handler or self.game_name)
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/olpcgames/canvas.py, line
 96, in connect_game
 mod = __import__(mod_name, globals(), locals(), [])
   File /usr/share/sugar/activities/Physics.activity/physics.py, line
 39, in module
 import elements
 ImportError: No module named elements
 Exited with status 1, pid 2665 data (None, open file 'fdopen', mode
 'w' at 0x192fae0,
 dbus.ByteArray('8280d3a822f0b2a179da19812c46c0d0afaf6037',
 variant_level=1))


Weird. Can you check to see it elements is in ~/Activities/Physics.activity ???

-walter



 thx

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Could check one thing for me?
 
  Is elements installed in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/elements ?
 
 
  Yes, there are 30 items in that folder.
 
  I've attached the elements.py file that was date 08/04/2013.
 
 
  If so, I suspect that there may be a conflict between that version and
  the one packaged with Physics.
 
  -walter



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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Hello,

 I would like to test SoaS v10 beta directly on a USB key.

 I have a G1G1 XO-1 computer but XO computers are not easily
 available for the public at large. So during my demonstrations
 I prefer to present Sugar on a Stick in parallel with the XO :
 http://ModLibre.info/en/modlibre/info/demo.html

 Is is possible to get an iso image
 which could be installed and tested on a usb key ?

 Or when will it be possible ?


 It's possible now, there's details of where you can get
 the images from in my original email

 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-November/003184.html


 Thank you for this information.

 I downloaded « *Fedora-Live-Soas-i686-20-Beta-5.iso* »
 from  http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#desktops

 I used a previous procedure with « tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh »
 to prepare a booting 4G USB key.

 All activities were analyzed with rapid tests.

 Nearly everything is OK except for the following points :

 - In My parameters there is no icon for keyboard choice.
   So, it is not possible to get a localized keyboard.

 - The eToys activity (version 116) does not start properly
   then displays
   « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »

 The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
 whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
 things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
 sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.

 - The Physics activity (version 11) works well
   BUT stops when we try to displace an object with the little hand.

I need to work with the maintainer to accept the patches that fix
this. I can give you a tarball for 11.8 in the meanwhile, if you'd
like.

http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Physics-11.8.xo


 Can you take the log file and send to sugar-devel list.

 - The previous Jukebox, Read, Rule and Write activities
   do not appear : is it normal ?

 I'm not sure what you mean by previous and do not appear

 - NB: Jukebox.activity and Read.activity are present
   in « /usr/share/sugar/activities

 Are they in the Activities list? (the icon with lines in the top right
 of the home screen)

 Is there a public list where I can send similar diagnostic files ?

 Either the SoaS list or sugar-devel should be fine, both were on the
 original message.

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Re: [SoaS] No keyboard choice - Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Walter Bender]

In jarabe/controlpanel/gui.py there is:

POWERD_FLAG_DIR = '/etc/powerd/flags'

def _setup_options(self):
if not os.access(POWERD_FLAG_DIR, os.W_OK):
del self._options['power']
del self._options['keyboard']

which might explain why the keyboard selection is missing.

-walter

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 Le 19/11/2013 18:27, Walter Bender a écrit :

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Hello,

 ...
 I downloaded « *Fedora-Live-Soas-i686-20-Beta-5.iso* »
 from  http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#desktops
 ...


 In My parameters there is no icon for keyboard choice.
 So, it is not possible to get a localized keyboard !

 I think that this was already true with version 9 of Sugar on a Stick
 (to be checked !).

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Re: [SoaS] No keyboard choice - Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 In jarabe/controlpanel/gui.py there is:

 POWERD_FLAG_DIR = '/etc/powerd/flags'

 def _setup_options(self):
 if not os.access(POWERD_FLAG_DIR, os.W_OK):
 del self._options['power']
 del self._options['keyboard']

 which might explain why the keyboard selection is missing.

 Dare I ask why keyboard depends on powerd? Do we know what this commit
 was any who did it? powerd is a olpc XO specific thing so is never
 going to be present on anything other than an XO. I suspect it's
 suppose to hide those options if it's on a XO due to them being
 generally hidden by deployments and hence is the check is wrong.

No idea. Just saw it and flagged it.
We can use gconf on the XO to suppress the keyboard setting.


 Peter

 -walter

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info 
 wrote:
 Hello,

 Le 19/11/2013 18:27, Walter Bender a écrit :

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Hello,

 ...
 I downloaded « *Fedora-Live-Soas-i686-20-Beta-5.iso* »
 from  http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#desktops
 ...


 In My parameters there is no icon for keyboard choice.
 So, it is not possible to get a localized keyboard !

 I think that this was already true with version 9 of Sugar on a Stick
 (to be checked !).

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Re: [SoaS] Problems with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-19-TC6-1.iso

[Walter Bender]

I am looking into the keyboard issue. Something strange happened in
the transition from F18 to F19 there.

Haven't heard about the updater issue, but that whole section of code
is being revisited at the moment.

Try the SoaS list and if that fails, try devel.

regards.

-walter

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello,

 Thank you for the new version of SoaS 9.

 Today, I prepared a USB key with the
 « Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-19-TC6-1.iso » file
 downloaded from
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick

 All activities seem to work, except
 - e-Toys-116 which does not start properly,
 - Physics-11 which stops when we try to displace an object.

 The main problem is about « parameters »
 - Keyboards cannot be changed,
 - Activities cannot be updated.

 What is the best mailing address for such a message :
 - soas@lists.sugarlabs.org ?
 - sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org ?

 The last message on the [SoaS] list was received on March 25.
 Is this normal ?

 Sincerely yours,

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Re: [SoaS] Fedora-17-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-SoaS testing results

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
 Please look at this:
 These activities need to be fixed
  Abacus

The fix has been pushed to git. Will roll out a new version soon.

-walter

  etoys
  read

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit_ on #sugar

 Test results:

  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Fedora-17-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-SoaS


 Fedora-17-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-SoaS

 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=3907156name=Fedora-17-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-SoaS.iso

 Tested CD usingPenguin Libre GNU / Linux Notebook i3. (all free drivers)

 Boots to name___; Color___

 Wireless AP (WEP) Connects and stays connected

 Sees Jabber

 About my Computer

 Build Sugar on a Stick 7
   Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle)
 Sugar 0.95.4
 Firmware  2.60

 Activities

 2-) Tested in VirtualBox 4.1.10 install to 8 GB HD
  Use whole Disk
  [x]use LVM

 key  =not favorite; ok=starts and saves; == updates to:
 etoys  116 no DBusError: Process /usr/bin/sugar-presence-service
 exited with status 1 (pulsing in top bar after quit)
 visual match35 ok
 chat73 ok ==74 ok
 maze15 ok
 moon13 ok
 abacus  31 no failed to start  AttributeError: 'AbacusActivity'
 object has no attribute 'set_toolbox' are we shipping too new a version
 here?
 turtle art 136 ok
 write   77 ok ==78 ok
 typing turtle   29 ok
 speak   36 ok ==37 ok
 jukebox 23 ok
 irc 10 ok
 pippy   45 ok?* ==46 ok fixed*(Physics does not start in
 45)
 memorize39 ok
  portfolio 21 ok
 image viewer19 ok? no matching entries
 log 26 ok ==27 ok
 calculate   38 ok
 record  93==94 ok sees VirtualBox USB Camera
 ruler   19 ok
 clock7 ok
 physics  9 ok
 terminal35 ok
  read  97 no failed to start
  browse   131 ok ==132 ok

 tools_livecd-iso-to-disk Persistent USB-stick

 4 GB EMTEC USB-stick

 sudo ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 500
 --home-size-mb 900 --delete-home --unencrypted-home
 Fedora-17-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-SoaS.iso /dev/sd(x)1

 Verifying image...
 ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh: line 806: checkisomd5: command not found
 Are you SURE you want to continue?
 Press Enter to continue or ctrl-c to abort

 Copying live image to target device.
 squashfs.img
489975808 100%6.98MB/s0:01:06 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1)

 sent 490035693 bytes  received 31 bytes  7259788.50 bytes/sec
 total size is 489975808  speedup is 1.00
 osmin.img
 8192 100%0.00kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1)

 sent 8265 bytes  received 31 bytes  16592.00 bytes/sec
 total size is 8192  speedup is 0.99
 Updating boot config file
 Initializing persistent overlay file
 500+0 records in
 500+0 records out
 524288000 bytes (524 MB) copied, 86.1616 s, 6.1 MB/s
 Initializing persistent /home
 900+0 records in
 900+0 records out
 943718400 bytes (944 MB) copied, 211.095 s, 4.5 MB/s
 Formatting unencrypted /home
 mke2fs 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010)
 Filesystem label=
 OS type: Linux
 Block size=4096 (log=2)
 Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
 Stride=0 blocks, Stripe width=0 blocks
 57600 inodes, 230400 blocks
 11520 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
 First data block=0
 Maximum filesystem blocks=239075328
 8 block groups
 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
 7200 inodes per group
 Superblock backups stored on blocks:
   32768, 98304, 163840, 229376

 Writing inode tables: done
 Creating journal (4096 blocks): done
 Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

 This filesystem will be automatically checked every 39 mounts or
 180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
 tune2fs 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010)
 Setting maximal mount count to -1
 Setting interval between checks to 0 seconds
 Installing boot loader
 Target device is now set up with a Live image!


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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] sweets-sugar-emulator cannot be found in my Xubuntu 11.10 64 bits

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM, laurent bernabe
laurent.bern...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 First I want to apologize I'm adressing to the wrong mailing-list (I've
 already forgotten which is the other Sugar/OLPC one).

 I've just tried the new repository for sweets.

 I've got the sugar menu (under education)
 but when I launch it, I get the error sugar-sweets-emulator can't be found

There is (perhaps not sufficiently prominent) a note on the wiki page
saying that sweets does not work (yet) on 11.10. Please use it on 11.4
or the VM until it is working.

regards.

-walter

 However, i've copied and paste the command for Ubuntu 11.10 on the
 page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Sweets_Distribution#Releases

 My OS is a Xubuntu 11.10 64 bits.

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[SoaS] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] 3 Questions From A New Sugar User Age 21

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sugar-devel] 3 Questions From A New Sugar User Age 21
To: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Hi, all.

If I select a wrong list, please let me know.

I'm an undergraduate and an enthusiastic Linux user. I joined a OLPC
event in Hong Kong recently. I appreciate OLPC's principles. In
particular, I find OLPC XO's software interesting, which is based on
Sugar.

So, I tried SoaS (http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/) today and
would like to recommend Sugar to parents I know. However, I have
questions.

1. Can I install SoaS to hard disk?
I know we can install a Linux distribution first, then install Sugar
package. But most parents are Windows folks, right?
People may want to test Sugar in their VirtualBox, VMWare or so.
Booting from virtual CD-ROM and installing into hard disk is the most
intuitive, right? I'm using VirtualBox and SoaS now. I cannot save
anything.
We may need to lock children to Sugar. The hard disk installation is
the most reliable one.
(I know all the issues can be solved with hacks, but this project is
definitely not towards geeks, right?)

2. The HTML version of Sugar manual have broken images. Please fix it.
http://en.flossmanuals.net/sugar/
The PDF version is OK, though.

3. Not a really a question. I find the SugarLabs wiki confusing.
When I discover SoaS, I think Sugar is a Fedora Spin. However, when I
know I can install Sugar in Ubuntu, I think Sugar is a very special
Desktop Environment. So Sugar is somehow similar to KDE while SoaS is
somehow similar to KDE Spin.
People may not understand why you are always talking about LiveUSB with Journal.

Thank you all the contributors in advance!
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[SoaS] Fwd: a Help

[Walter Bender]

Maybe someone on the list can help.

-- Forwarded message --
From: kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr
Date: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Subject: a Help
To: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com


Hello Mr Bender
Im able to see the USB device that is connected but I'm failing to
open It, I went to settings of virtualbox, then to  USB
then I found there are two check boxes to enable the USB, the first is
already checked but the second is not, but there is no way to check It
because It's hidden. I'm asking myself if I downloaded a wrong version
(trisquel-sugar_3.0-LATEST_i686) on this link
http://devel.trisquel.info/sugar/

when I tried  to  download this trisquel-sugar_5 It showed me server
not found. which advice can you give me. I really want
to go deeper into that as soon as possible.

by the way can I find a small project that I can present as my final
year project in june?

thks


De : Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
À : kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr
Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 janvier 2012 6h48
Objet : Re: Re : Re : Proposal to activity development

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM, kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 Hello Bender!

 I managed to emulate XO laptop on my windows, it was a long process, thks
 for ur help.
 I tried it and it succeeded, so i'm going to emulate it for good.
 Now I wanted to know how to bring the application sent by desire
 Rwagaju(imageID.xo) in that XO,
 so that i can start to edit It.

The easiest thing to do is to put the .XO file on a USB key, then
access the file from the Sugar Journal. It will then install in your
VM. You can edit the file using vi from Terminal, or download the
EditJam activity.

regards.

-walter

 thks
 David

 
 De : Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 À : kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr
 Envoyé le : Lundi 16 Janvier 2012 6h11
 Objet : Re: Re : Proposal to activity development

 On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM, kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 I've already virtual box on my machine, and i'm asking myself how to get
 the
 XO operating system coz It is asking the bootable CD that has the virtual
 OS.

 You need to download one of the VM images. See the link I sent you earlier.

 regards.

 -walter


 David

 
 De : Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 À : kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr
 Envoyé le : Dimanche 15 Janvier 2012 14h56
 Objet : Re: Proposal to activity development

 On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:15 AM, kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Thks Bender I usually use windows. I hope it will be compatible

 VirtualBox should work (as should Sugar on a Stick, but that requires
 a reboot each time).

 Good luck.

 -walter



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On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM, kaze david vidk...@yahoo.fr wrote:



 Thank you for that great opportunity, we are really interested in
 learning to develop XO laptop applications. I would like to know what
 it
 requires to have an OX emulator on our usual operating systems so that
 we
 can start to learn it.

What is your usual system? Windows? Mac? Linux? Probably you will want
to use a VirtualBox environment. See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_all_platforms

-walter

 Regards,
 David

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:53 AM, desire rwagaju des...@laptop.org
 wrote:
 Hello David and Noella,
 As we discussed in short meeting we had this morning, find attached
 stand-alone activity ( a simple game from Gcompris activities) Walter
 prepared for you,to start editing as you want, feel free to contact
 him
 for
 questions to fulfill your curiosity.

 Regards



 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Walter Bender
 walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Walter Bender
 walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:41 AM, desire rwagaju des...@laptop.org
  wrote:
  Thanks Walter,
  can we  work with GCompris V8.5BETA1?
  We can start by its 4th part  Reading Activities,by editing its
  games
  
  drag and drop each item above its name to use it to identify
  different
  mode
  of transmission of HIV/AIDS  STDs.
  I will meet CS students this Friday to give them XO laptops to start
  interacting with it, for them to develop ideas.
  regards
 
  Sounds like a plan. What I will try to do in the meantime is make a
  stand-alone activity that does approximately the above that they can
  use as a template.
 
  regards.
 
  -walter
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Walter Bender
  walter.ben...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, desire rwagaju des...@laptop.org
  wrote:
  
   Hello Walter,
  
   I looked at different existing activities, to see which one would
   be
   more
   flexible to edit/modify  according to the idea, and so far,
   Gcompris: http

Re: [SoaS] Sugar on a Stick/Project sitemap

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 Solstice greetings,

 I have just created the page
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Project_sitemap .

 When I was very new to Sugar I spent quite a long time getting my
 bearings. It seems there are now some 75 pages to Sugar on a Stick!

 This page starts off as a maintenance tool. It is possible that it could
 evolve into a project site-map, which would be useful index to a
 newcomer.

Thanks. It often takes a new set of eyes to remind us that we've
gotten out of control. Looking forward to seeing the results of the
clean up.

regards.

-walter

 I am volunteering to help archive some of the older pages of SoaS. I
 come from a point of little experience, so will rely in input from
 others. Please help if you can.

 There is some discussion of my proposal here:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved

 Regards,
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v7?

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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 So there's no rest for the wicked its time to think about what you
 would like to develop for SoaS v7. I know upstream is all very busy
 already the sugar team are full pelt into the conversion of sugar
 to gtk3 and PyGI and there's all sorts of fun stuff going into
 Fedora... so what do you want?

Is there still the issue with instability of persistent data? Maybe we
can look at the one for v7?

regards.

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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] Sugar on a Stick v5 Coconut release

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Sugar on a Stick v5 is ready to go (finally).

Great news. Thanks for all the hard work. And thanks to everyone who
contributed!!

-walter

 The website will be
 updated shortly. When it is all details will be here

 http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/

 Improvements over SoaSv4 include:
 - Sugar 0.92.4
 - Fedora 15
 - Network Manager 0.9 support (massive thanks to dsd!)
 - More Activities!
 - Many bugfixes and improvements
 - Improved HW support including better WiFi, notebook/netbook and
 other devices support

 Regressions:
 - 3G Modem support currently doesn't work.

 ISOs in the mean time can be downloaded from the following links:
 32 bit http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3355572
 64 bit http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3355573

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Re: [SoaS] Fedora-16-Nightly-20110825.14-i686-Live-soas : use liveinst, [Configure network] to Set up wireless AP on installed USB before installing

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
 Link:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Fedora-16-Nightly-20110825.14-i686-Live-soas

 From Booted Live CD [1]

 Install to 8 GB USB HD: seems to require reformat of USB HD Otherwise get
 failure of Anaconda

Why 8 GB?

-walter

 Install gparted

 su
 yum install gparted
 gparted
 (format USB fat32)

 Anaconda

 liveinst
 [Configure network]
 Set up wireless AP   This is a great way to setup and use a wireless AP on
 the installed 8 GB USB
 (Use whole disk - not LVM)

 Shutdown booted CD
 Boot from USB

 3.0.1-3-fc16
 firstboot; user ; time (ntp); smolt (no profile);
 gdm login
 click to change color
 ==back
 chage name
 == ==
 CP/About my computer
 Sugar on a Stick 6
 Fedora release 16 (Rawhide)
 0.92.4

 f1 network neighborhood sees Jabber
 Connected to Wireless AP set up in Anaconda

 neat workaround for wireless Tom Gilliard
 satellit

 [1]
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Re: [SoaS] Software Freedom Day 17 September 2011

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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz wrote:
 Hi Sugar and olpc world

 What are people doing to celebrate Software Freedom Day this year?

Good question. We should do something. Maybe a mini-camp in Boston?

-walter


 We are having an event in our city (Auckland, NZ) and are planning to show
 the XOs and if I can get some USBs then give out Sugar on a Stick. I am
 hoping to find a good printer to get some posters done.

 Anyone else doing anything?

 Kind regards
 Tabitha Roder
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 Cell +64 21 482229
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Re: [SoaS] VirtualBox, the guest additions installed, but still difficulties to share folder or usb key

[Walter Bender]

There is a Sugar on a Stick list which is actively working on the VM
images... forwarding your message to that list.

regards.

-walter

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM, laurent bernabe
laurent.bern...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 i installed sugar trisquel on virtual box for Kubuntu. Then i installed
 guest additions.
 But i try to share a folder and a usb key between Kubuntu 11.04 and my
 virtual machine, without success :

 no media ( i looked in /media from the Sugar Terminal) found other than the
 guest additions cd
 however i made my usb key and my folder active from the virtual machine
 configuration

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Secondary Menus

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On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 It seems in certain circumstances the second menus do work on Fedora
 15 (thanks Thomas for testing). I suspect there was a new dep added to
 sugar for this feature that we're not actually depending on and its
 hence only getting installed in certain situations. Can anyone who
 worked on this verify what new deps are required for this feature? It
 would be nice to get this fixed for F15, we only have a couple of days
 to get the fix in.

Any further details? Where are the results from Thomas posted?

thanks.

-walter

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaSv5-20110415-i686 Testing

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On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
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 Soas-v5 testing version with fixes by pbrobinson. [1]
 Wiki Page [2]
 This is actually: x86-64 (mislabeled)
 Boots CD with c on power up of MacBook Pro i7
  Requires USB Mouse or Trackpad and wired network (No wireless)
 Installs to VirtualBox4.0.4 OSX Correctly with liveinst in root terminal
 Tested on ACER ASPIRE ONE N45 and external DVD/CD USB drive
 starts at Name
 Activities Tests:
 Key to preliminary tests:  = does not start (+/-)=starts but not right
 Write 72
 Memorize 36
 (+/-) Etoys 116 error on start
 (+/-)Calculate 35  blank sub-menus
 Physics 8
 (+/-)Record 66 no sound
 Speak 20
  Turtle Art 35

v107 of TurtleBlocks, just released, should work on F15. Not sure
where you are getting TA-35.

-walter

 IRC 9  slow starting  (needs to point to port 8001)
 (+/-)Pippy 40 cannot import name physics etc not all functions play (physics
 xolympics)'''
 Chat 70
 Log 24
 Abacus 19
 Terminal 31
  Browse 120

 Sugar on a Stick 5 Fedora Release 15 (Lovelock) Sugar 0.92.1
 No Jabber  connections after restart to gdm login for live user; jabber is
 found and works
 Network cannot connect to wireless  (sees wireless AP in F1 neighborhood;
 but no drop down connect message)
 Ethernet works with cat 5 cable

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Re: [SoaS] SoaS fixes this week!!

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On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Fans!

 So we've had a lot of movement and fixes submitted this week!
 Actually. I've fixed a few things in the last day or so.

 So what's happened recently (ie: what's in the snapshot below:
 - Latest 0.92.1 release
 - I think the horrible massive amounts of prompts aka as the
 gnome-keyring prompt should be fixed! YAY!!!
 - Random error on boot to not give you Sugar.

 Basically you should be able to boot and get the Give me your name
 sugar new users prompt. You should then not be bothered by dialog
 boxes

 YAY! 

 What I think or know is still broken:
 - Browse: yes, known problem!
 - Read: yes, its a broken record ;-)
 - TurtleArt: Walter knows the problem (and will reply as to ETA for a
 new releast) ;-)

The fix is already in git. I will be releasing the new TurtleBlocks as
soon as I track down one more bug unrelated to F15: suddenly keyboard
input has stopped working from GNOME (the Sugar version is fine) :P

 - eToys. Known fix... but I can't give you everything in one day!

 Other than that.. it's perfect! Unless you test of course!

 So the iso all the cool people are testing is available here

 http://fedora.roving-it.com/SoaSv5-20110415-i686.iso

 So go forth and propagate ... the testing og course
 (and the server is mine so I know if you don't!!)

 anyway. Look forward to your weekend testing and reports.

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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v5 status

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Sorry for a lot of the recent radio silence. In short I've been
 travelling a lot and work and my personal life took over pretty close
 to completely since FUDCon at the end of January :-(

 That said I've spent some time over the last couple of days to fix up
 and  update some SoaS bits and as of the next compose the Fedora 15
 live image should be working [1].

 Those impatient people can boot up the current release and when it
 boots to the login screen do a Ctrl + Alt + F2 login as root, run
 rpm -e openbox, do a Ctrl + Alt + F8 and then login and you should
 get a lovely sweet Sugar :-D

 So next on the SoaS release ToDo list is the following:
 - List of shipped (and working) Activities
 - Release name (Suggestions?)
 - Testing.

 A slight follow up on the status of Activities that are currently
 shipping with this release (feedback wanted):
 Basic testing as working:
 Abacus
 Calculate
 Chat
 Log
 Memorize
 Physics
 Pippy
 Record
 Speak
 Terminal
 Write
 IRC

 Activities with issues:
 Browse (xulrunner/firefox issues)
 Read (issues with gnome-python2-evince API changes/breakage)
 TurtleArt (unknown - doesn't start)

Please send me a log and I will fix it.

-walter

 If anyone is able to assist in the fixing of those 3 Activities I
 would really appreciate it.

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Re: [SoaS] How to make things stick on the stick

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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Traver, Cherrice trav...@union.edu wrote:
 I find that when I use SoaS and install a new activity,  it does not persist
 the next time I use it. Is there something special that needs to be done to
 have changes written to the flash drive? Or is this just a limitation of the
 SoaS approach?



Do Journal entries persist for you? Did you create your stick with
'persistent' storage?

-walter


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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
 wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote:
  AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome
  people are not that insane, the old APIs will still work and be
  supported.
 
  They won't be the latest coolest API wiz-bang so support may be
  weaker, and/or we may get ah, well, the bug you mention is fixed in
  the introspection API, migrate to that instead of a fix to the
  problem you report.
 
  Personally, I don't mind *not* being in the bleeding edge for one cycle
 :-)
 
  I agree with you. There's no hurry to switch to GNOME 3 and there are
  higher priority tasks at this time.

 So are we saying that we don't want sugar on a stick for the F-15
 release cycle and are happy to have it dropped from the Fedora Spins
 and someone else is prepared do the work to get it back to that
 status? Or do people generally not care about SoaS?


I don't think that is what people are saying. I think they are saying that
we need not resolve all of our potential GNOME 3.0 issues immediately as the
2.0 libraries will still be present. Is that not the case?

-walter


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Re: [SoaS] network issues

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:59 AM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, i recently successfully installed Mango Lassi.
 It works fine. Now, i try to connect to my personal network router to
 get to the Internet.
 I switch to tty2 and check by
 $ iwlist eth1 scan
 if the signal is received and the router recognized and both they are.

 Now, how can i go to configurate the network ? is there a network
 manager or should i use the traditional command line tools like
 ifconfig and iwconfig etc. ?

 Finally, i cannot reach my laptop hard drive from within SoaS. Is
 there anyway to mount it and access it while running SoaS ?


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Re: [SoaS] the final sprint to SoaS 4

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 On 10/15/2010 10:49 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi All,

 We're on the final sprint to SoaS v4

 I just cherry-picked the patch for the registration issue that takes long to
 give user feedback:

 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/commits/ba20b1c4e037814bc10e5cb32ac53c8feee7aa2d

 Adam Williamson has created some testing guidelines for Fedora QA for
 Sugar desktop testing. You can find details here [1] and feedback
 would be greatly appreciated so we can improve this for the Fedora 15
 / SoaS v5 cycle.

 [1]
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Final_TC1_Desktop

  From the discussion (that I remember) that Simon, Thomas and I had the
 other night these were the issues we had:
 - Terminal issues - fixed with vte 0.26.1 release that will be in
 stable tomorrow
 - Physics issues - New version here please test
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-physics-7-1.fc14
 - gnome-keyring issue. Not fixed yet. Helped wanted. I'm going to try
 and get time to look at this further today.
 - Read issue - Going to look at it today

 Did you have a chance to look at the Read issue?

 Regards,
   Simon

I released a new version of Turtle Blocks last night with a number of
minor bug fixes. Probably worth pulling in.

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Re: [SoaS] the final sprint to SoaS 4

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 On 10/15/2010 10:49 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi All,

 We're on the final sprint to SoaS v4

 I just cherry-picked the patch for the registration issue that takes long to
 give user feedback:

 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/commits/ba20b1c4e037814bc10e5cb32ac53c8feee7aa2d

 Adam Williamson has created some testing guidelines for Fedora QA for
 Sugar desktop testing. You can find details here [1] and feedback
 would be greatly appreciated so we can improve this for the Fedora 15
 / SoaS v5 cycle.

 [1]
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Final_TC1_Desktop

  From the discussion (that I remember) that Simon, Thomas and I had the
 other night these were the issues we had:
 - Terminal issues - fixed with vte 0.26.1 release that will be in
 stable tomorrow
 - Physics issues - New version here please test
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-physics-7-1.fc14
 - gnome-keyring issue. Not fixed yet. Helped wanted. I'm going to try
 and get time to look at this further today.
 - Read issue - Going to look at it today

 Did you have a chance to look at the Read issue?

 Regards,
   Simon

 I released a new version of Turtle Blocks last night with a number of
 minor bug fixes. Probably worth pulling in.

errr. See V102.

-walter


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Re: [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 Hi,

 what is the current status for activity releases in order to include
 them in distributions like Soas*? Do you guys need tarballs or did you
 switch over to construct the rpms from the .xo? For example the latest
 Paint rpm uses the .xo AFAIK (build even the binaries from the
 non-python sources in the bundle).

 And is the email from ASLO enough for packagers to know about new
 releases? Any other notification that packagers need?

 In the .deb side of the universe, we prefer tarballs but we can work
 directly from the git repository.

Is it not still the practice to put tarballs on download.sl.o ???

-walter


 I have cced jonas for an official position.

 david

 Regards,
    Simon

 * Of course any other downstreams that package/include activities are
 happy to reply to this email too.
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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Walter,

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki,
 which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user
 community. My proposed modifications (See
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to
 streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users.
 Feedback and testing requested.

 Some feedback

 For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it
 from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation
 option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all
 platforms.

Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still
causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support
perspective).

I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all
platforms, not just the Mac.


 Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing
 images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've
 shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support
 booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there.
 By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support
 it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we
 should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going
 to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a
 single image.

It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have
testers, we can add those to the list.


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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Walter,

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki,
 which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user
 community. My proposed modifications (See
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to
 streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users.
 Feedback and testing requested.

 Some feedback

 For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it
 from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation
 option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all
 platforms.

 Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still
 causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support
 perspective).

 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14
 beta (if they're not already).

Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only
instructions I can find
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper
CD.

regards.

-walter


 I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all
 platforms, not just the Mac.


 Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing
 images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've
 shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support
 booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there.
 By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support
 it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we
 should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going
 to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a
 single image.

 It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have
 testers, we can add those to the list.

 I've no doubt but the release team have no idea how they're created.
 So if he wishes to provide the support that's fine by me. Myself I use
 KVM personally and have 1000s of VMWare vms at work. I've never used
 VirtualBox. When the open virtual exchange option works well where you
 could import a single open virtual image into any VM platform
 actually works I think it would be great but having dealt with those
 problems with associated companies its not currently worth the pain
 and the live iso image on all platforms is still the one that works
 consistently everywhere.

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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Walter,

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki,
 which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user
 community. My proposed modifications (See
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to
 streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users.
 Feedback and testing requested.

 Some feedback

 For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it
 from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation
 option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all
 platforms.

 Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still
 causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support
 perspective).

 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14
 beta (if they're not already).

 Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only
 instructions I can find
 (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper
 CD.

 Not sure about the wiki but they're here:

 http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads

 There are two problems with the Mac platform:
 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems.
 This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I
 know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at
 this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based
 and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers
 that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything
 back.

 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with
 its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4).
 The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test.

 # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit
 and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well.

 Regards,
 Peter


Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it
still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box?

thanks.

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Re: [SoaS] Broadcom has released a fully open driver

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 This bit of news is really great for those that are using SoaS on
 Apple and Dell machines which I believe are very common in the
 education realm. I'm not sure whether this will be available for the
 upcoming SoaS v4 but I can but hope. I suspect it might be in Fedora
 soon if the driver is in a reasonable state.

Great!! Some HP machines are also impacted.

-walter

 http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/

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Re: [SoaS] Physics-5.tar.bz2 now on sunjammer

[Walter Bender]

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:


 Gary C Martin wrote:
 Hi,

 Just a quick ping on some .tar.bz2 uploads for those interested (Bernie 
 kindly reactivated my sunjammer shell account, will upload .bz2's here until 
 we have a more sane solution):

       http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Physics/Physics-5.tar.bz2
       http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Moon/Moon-11.tar.bz2

 Is there a wiki page where we track the activity versions pre-installed in 
 Soas?

Gary,

There is also 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick/Activity_Criteria

-walter


 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#Activity_Test_Table
 Regards,
 --Gary

 P.S. I'm going to try and release a Calculate-31 (has been living in git 
 since last year) plus a few bug fixes in the next day or two, if Reinier 
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Re: [SoaS] Call for Testers: LiveUSB Creator on other Distributions

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'd like us to get a coherent way in terms of user interfaces for
 creating Sugar on a Stick on as many distributions as possible. I do
 have a first iteration of such a release using Fedora's LiveUSB
 Creator ready and need some testers with - preferably different -
 distributions. There are a couple of things that need to be checked
 before this is ready for mass-consumption, but if you're interested in
 giving this a try, please drop me a line and note the distributions
 you're running on real machines on which you could actually test this.

 Thanks,
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Comments:

* All of the .so files are marked as +x in the tar file. Probably only
the script itself need be executable.
* The script needs to be run as root from the shell.
* It would be great to set a non-zero persistent storage

-walter (testing on Lucid)


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Re: [SoaS] Activity inclusion for SoaS-4

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:16 AM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:16 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi SoaS people,

 So the current Sugar Activity list for SoaS-4 stands as follows with
 the justifications as to why they're included.

 The basic idea is to include the core Sucrose/Fructose Activity list
 (as long as they are actively maintained and work) and then a small
 selection of Activities that are well supported and demonstrate the
 features of the Sugar Learning platform such as the collaboration side
 of it to contribute towards the K-6 side of SoaS's targets.

 So the core sugar Fructose activities [1] list is:
 Browse
 Chat
 EToys
 Log
 Pippy
 Read
 Terminal
 TurtleArt
 Write

 These ones are also on the Fructose list but I'm not sure of their
 status so we need to be convinced of their status:
 Calculate
 Image/ImageViewer
 Jukebox

 To the Fructose list we're adding:
 Physics - Because this is a great demo example (quick demo).
 Record - Because its useful and kids tend to like recording/photoing stuff.
 xoirc - Because this helps us help them.
 paint - K-6 and enjoyed by kids
 memorize - K-6 and enjoyed by kids
 speak - Good for voice demos

 So the current planned inclusion list is as follows:
 Browse
 Chat
 EToys
 Log
 Pippy
 Read
 Terminal
 TurtleArt
 Write
 Physics
 Record
 xoirc
 paint
 memorize
 speak

 That currently gives us a list of 15 Activities. Its obviously not the
 final list and I look forward to suggestions. Its not guaranteed the
 above list remain the same. For example Read still does not work. And
 we're not aiming to get to the same level of previous releases, its
 currently not maintainable with the current SoaS resources.

 Things to note are that the Activities need to be working, well
 maintained, packaged in Fedora to be considered. To be in Fedora they
 can't contain any binary blobs (if they have code that needs to be
 compiled, that's fine but it must be done as per Fedora packaging
 guidelines).


 Sorry that I have not been able to attend the SoaS meetings of late
 and perhaps this is covered in the meeting logs. What happened to the
 ideas discussed on the inclusion criteria page, which I can no longer
 find in the wiki?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Activity_Criteria

 Its not final yet so consider it more of a set of guidelines.

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Thanks for finding the page. I've moved it, with a redirect, under the
Sugar on a Stick tree, so it appears in the list of subpages.

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Re: [SoaS] Activity inclusion for SoaS-4

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:16 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi SoaS people,

 So the current Sugar Activity list for SoaS-4 stands as follows with
 the justifications as to why they're included.

 The basic idea is to include the core Sucrose/Fructose Activity list
 (as long as they are actively maintained and work) and then a small
 selection of Activities that are well supported and demonstrate the
 features of the Sugar Learning platform such as the collaboration side
 of it to contribute towards the K-6 side of SoaS's targets.

 So the core sugar Fructose activities [1] list is:
 Browse
 Chat
 EToys
 Log
 Pippy
 Read
 Terminal
 TurtleArt
 Write

 These ones are also on the Fructose list but I'm not sure of their
 status so we need to be convinced of their status:
 Calculate
 Image/ImageViewer
 Jukebox

 To the Fructose list we're adding:
 Physics - Because this is a great demo example (quick demo).
 Record - Because its useful and kids tend to like recording/photoing stuff.
 xoirc - Because this helps us help them.
 paint - K-6 and enjoyed by kids
 memorize - K-6 and enjoyed by kids
 speak - Good for voice demos

 So the current planned inclusion list is as follows:
 Browse
 Chat
 EToys
 Log
 Pippy
 Read
 Terminal
 TurtleArt
 Write
 Physics
 Record
 xoirc
 paint
 memorize
 speak

 That currently gives us a list of 15 Activities. Its obviously not the
 final list and I look forward to suggestions. Its not guaranteed the
 above list remain the same. For example Read still does not work. And
 we're not aiming to get to the same level of previous releases, its
 currently not maintainable with the current SoaS resources.

 Things to note are that the Activities need to be working, well
 maintained, packaged in Fedora to be considered. To be in Fedora they
 can't contain any binary blobs (if they have code that needs to be
 compiled, that's fine but it must be done as per Fedora packaging
 guidelines).


Sorry that I have not been able to attend the SoaS meetings of late
and perhaps this is covered in the meeting logs. What happened to the
ideas discussed on the inclusion criteria page, which I can no longer
find in the wiki?

regards.

-walter

 Regards.
 Peter

 Note, please forward this if you think its important to other lists
 but the discussion will happen on the SoaS list.

 [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/
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Re: [SoaS] Request Feature status for the Sugar-Creation-Kit DVD in the next Soas Spin.

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
 I am requesting that  the Sugar-Creation-Kit-DVD

 be accepted formally as a Feature of the next version of the Soas-spin.

 Mel suggested that I start this thread to start discussion on what the
 procedure should be to achieve this.

Perhaps add a page to the Feature section of the wiki as per
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Feature_Template (yes, I realize
it is for Sucrose).

-walter

 (we do not seem to have a formal one at the moment)

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit


 from 5/29/2010 post to lists:

 
 New DVD.iso, (WARNING 4.2GB File) Updated for Mirabelle, now available
 for downloading:

 For sneakernet and behind firewall installs.

 Only requires 1 download, can be copied locally for a complete build
 environment for SOAS.

 Contains  .iso files and instructions needed to create Soas USB's plus a
 majority of the  .xo files from ASLO for installing activities by
 drag-drop into the sugar Journal.

 Download:
 http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Sugar-Creation-Kit-09.iso

 Read this first:
 http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/SugarCreationKit09-Contents.txt

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Re: [SoaS] SoaS 3 Activity list

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
 On 29.03.2010, at 12:51, Peter Robinson wrote:

 Hi All,

 Having had some feedback on the proposal of shipping just 6 Activities
 for SoaS 3 I'm modifying the proposal a little and increasing the
 number to 10 [1]. Although this does come with some caveats and a
 challenge to those out there that would like to see some more
 included.

 So the original proposal was the following list of Activities:
 - browse
 - physics
 - turtleart
 - irc
 - log
 - terminal

 I'm proposing adding the following:
 - Record
 - Write
 - Chat.
 - Some sort of shareable game such as memorize

 The reason for the above 4 is that they are a great demonstration of
 the sharing and media capabilities of sugar, which I believe are some
 of its best features, but I am open to suggestions.

 So now to the caveat and challenge. They will only be included if they
 are working, tested and are stable as I believe it only makes the
 Sugar platform look bad if they don't work well. The challenge is for
 everyone in the community to assist in making sure they are working,
 tested and stable. If ultimately they aren't included its everyone to
 blame because they weren't. I believe I may know what the issue with
 Write is so I'll be looking that with the hope of it being fixed this
 week. I look forward to seeing reports of them working well and being
 tested as well as patches and bug reports when they do not :-)

 Peter

 [1] I could possibly increase this to 12 if my arm is twisted enough
 on the same proviso that they are stable, tested and are a good
 demonstration of the Sugar platform, work well on a netbook platform
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 Peter, I have to ask again why you do not want to include Etoys. It's 
 working, tested, stable, and includes examples that emphasize Sugar as a 
 creative learning platform (more so than any of the activities you do propose 
 to include).

 - Bert -

+1

Also, as much as I would hate to see it off the list, Record is not
stable enough right now to consider for v3. Until we sort out our
various gst/alsa issues, we need to stay away from all of the
activities that use the camera.

That said, the 95% of all activities that are pure Python/Sugar should
run anywhere. So we have a lot to chose from. I'll make further
comments on Mel's criteria page.

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Re: [SoaS] install soas to hard disk

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Rodolfo D. Arce S.
rodolfo.arc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello:
 I was writing in previous mails about installing sugar strawberry on a hard
 disk, and Thomas send me this instructions, but it's very hard for me to use
 a cd image of strawberry becuase I need an external cd-rom which i don't
 have.. i tried installing in a pendrive and running the zyx installer but it
 doens't work

 http://www.mail-archive.com/soas@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00569.html

 is there another aproach to installing sugar strawberry on hard disk?

Is there a reason why it has to be Strawberry? We don't really support
this in Strawberry, but we do support it in Blueberry.

-walter

 I even tried to install fedora 12 and install sugar from repositories, but
 it has version 0.86 which doesn't work with record activity, that's why i
 chose strawberry to install

 cheers..

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[SoaS] Fwd: will try 2GB USB tomorrow

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Stanley Sokolow stanleysoko...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: will try 2GB USB tomorrow
To: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
Cc: Sonya Sokolow sonyasoko...@gmail.com


Walter,

Thanks for your call today.   Here's a recap of the current status.
I downloaded the boot cd iso file, verified the checksum using my
Ubuntu Linux system, and burned the image onto a CD using a commercial
program I've used many times which runs under Windows Vista on that
same (dual boot) computer.  That system is a 3GHz Pentium D with 2 GB
of RAM.  I downloaded the iso of SOAS blueberry and installed it onto
an 8 GB USB flash drive which had a few other files but more than 7 GB
free.   I used the Fedora live USB program running on Vista to do
that.   It said it verified the checksum, then it installed
successfully and said it was finished, without any error message.
The Fedora utility did not close itself, so I clicked the X box.
When the window closed, an error message window appeared, saying that
an error had occurred, but it didn't explain.  I opened Computer on
Vista and renamed the USB to FEDORA volume name, then did an eject
on the drive to be sure that delayed writes were flushed to the USB
drive.   I inserted the help boot CD and kept the USB drive in its
slot, then restarted the computer.  The boot CD started up, displayed
the SUGAR ON A STICK splash screen, then the XO man.   The circle of
dots was written about 1 dot per second until it reached about
4-o'clock or so, then an error message was written saying something
like we tried to delete an fb that we don't own or something
similar, definitely about an fb (file block, file buffer, ?).   Then
it stopped doing anything.

I took the CD and USB to a different computer, this one being an Intel
Core 2 Duo 2.13 GHz 2GB system running Vista Ultimate.   I inserted
the CD and USB, booted, and saw the same Sugar on a Stick startup.   I
noticed that the USB's LED was flashing from time to time, so I'm sure
the boot CD was loading the OS from it.   This time it drew the circle
of dots at a rate of about 1 dot per second until it got to about 6
o'clock, then slowed to 1 dot per 3 seconds until about 9 o'clock.
Then it took a couple of minutes to produce a couple more dots, then 5
minutes for the next to last dot, then much longer (I went away and
came back) to complete the circle of dots, at which point it just
quit.   I left it alone for a couple of hours while I did some
projects, and it had not changed.   I was able to ctrl-alt-del restart
the system, so it wasn't completely dead, just mostly dead (as in
Princess Bride, a cute movie).

Maybe the error during the creation of the live USB image was
responsible for the bad behavior of the system on the machine where it
actually got to the full circle of dots.   Why the two computers had
different failure modes with the same inputs is a puzzle.

I'll try again with a 2 GB USB, freshly formatted with FAT filesystem.
  The 8 GB has a FAT32 system.  Maybe that's the problem, although
Fedora should know how to use both types of filesystems, but maybe the
Fedora version in SOAS does not know FAT32.   I'll let you know.

Stan

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Sonya Sokolow sonyasoko...@gmail.com wrote:

 3/15/10 7:40pm PST

 Hi Walter,

 So far everything Stan has tried since his talk with you on the phone 
 (857-998-1860, Boston) has not yet produced an SOAS we can use.  I have 
 cleared a 2GB USB so that he can try to use it tomorrow (since you said you 
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Re: [SoaS] [DP] wrapping things up

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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:54:25AM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
 We would like a report from the DP no later than 4 December 2009 in
 time for our next board meeting (15:00 UTC, 10:00 EST). Please
 contact me if you think this will be a problem.

 Can someone point me to the final report / SLOBs writeup?

The relevant minutes from the SLOBs discussions are here:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2009-12-04
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2009-12-11
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2009-12-18

There are also complete logs of meetings available.

regards.

-walter
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Re: [SoaS] ilxo sticks...

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
 We have a bunch of switchblade-style 'I love my XO USB sticks, which I
 converted to SoaS Blueberry using USB Creator on Windows. The sticks refuse
 to boot. All I get is boot error. The sticks were originally FAT 16, so I
 tried reformatting these with FAT 32, but still no luck. Any clues?

One thing to test would be to see if you can boot a standard Fedora 12
image, which is also available on the LiveUSB Creator on Windows. If
Fedora 12 image boots, then the problem is probably with the SoaS
image. If it doesn't boot, the problem is probably with either the
sticks, the formating, or the hardware you are testing on. (What
hardware are you testing on? Have you successfully booted another
LiveUSB on that hardware?)

regards.

-walter

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Re: [SoaS] rt2x00 firmware

[Walter Bender]

2010/1/7 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez ru...@gnu.org:


 It might be legally OK for Fedora, but it is not free software.
 I think you should not distribute or even recommend it.

 That might well be the case but it is also the case for just about all
 wireless drivers including the one used in the XO.

 I didn't know the XO required non-free drivers. Where can I find more
 details on this?

I don't recall the details--it has been a while--but as best as I
remember, there was a non-free firmware blob from Marvel that was
loaded on the daughtercard, but the driver on the GNU/Linux side was
free. CJB probably knows for certain.

-walter


 What wireless
 chipset would you recommend that has a completely open firmware that
 is also widely available.

 There are several in this list:
 http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html
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Re: [SoaS] rt2x00 firmware

[Walter Bender]

2010/1/7 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org:
 On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:22 +0100, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
 I didn't know the XO required non-free drivers. Where can I find more
 details on this?

 The driver is free, but it uses non-free firmware, which in the past has
 been causing us all sort of trouble. Ironically, the Marvell chip is
 codenamed libertas:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Libertas

 Since Marvell refused to open the firmware, Deepak and Cozybit have been
 working on a replacement firmware, called thinmac:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Libertas_Thinfirmware_HOWTO


 Besides the wifi firmware, most of the XO-1's power management is done
 by the EC, an Intel 8051 co-processor:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ec_specification

 Sadly, the EC firmware is proprietary. Quanta, the copyright holder,
 refuses to release any information on it, let alone the source code.
 There was an effort to rewrite a free version of it, but it looks like
 it's been swamped:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OpenEC
  http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/openec

 BTW, the Lemote Yeeloong notebook, which is supposed to be the most free
 netbook on this planet, contains the same EC chip of the XO-1. It
 probably runs yet another proprietary fork of the Quanta firmware.

 The situation improved greatly over the last 10 years, but there's still
 a lot of work still to be done by those who do care about freedom in
 computing.


For what it is worth, it would be a fair estimate to say that over 50%
of the headaches we had in relationship to getting the OLPC XO-1 up
and running were related to bugs and bad programming practices in the
proprietary EC code. A sad situation and extremely inefficient. That
said, I think Quanta actually licenses the EC software from a 3rd
party. They cannot make it free themselves :(

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Weekly Fedora Sugar Meetings

[Walter Bender]

What channel? #fedora-edu? #sugar-meeting?

-walter

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 you've probably heard the rumor, that SoaS v3 will only ship Fedora
 packages. Now let me tell you this: It's true.

 What this means is that we can use a lot of help with packaging all
 kinds of crazy-awesome activities and other stuff for Fedora - which
 will get a Sugar environment with even more and better apps on its turn.

 So. Let's get this party started. I'm suggesting weekly meetings
 starting this Thursday, at 1500 UTC, 1000 EST [1].

    Who else is in for this? Drop a note here!

 For those who're interested in getting started with contributing to
 Sugar, for example by packaging activities, there will be a Fedora
 Classroom session on January 6 (1500 UTC) in IRC  Gobby [2].

 --Sebastian

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Re: [SoaS] [Blueberry in the news] ars technica, DailyComm (RU), Blogeee (FR), Target HD (BR)

[Walter Bender]

Which of all the Blueberry coverage do you think is best
representative to include in the wiki news section?

-walter

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 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/12/sugar-software-environment-gets-sweeter-with-version-2.ars

 http://www.dailycomm.ru/m/6631/

 http://www.blogeee.net/2009/12/sugarlab-lance-sa-deuxieme-version-de-sugar-on-a-stick/

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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [Blueberry in the news] ars technica, DailyComm (RU), Blogeee (FR), Target HD (BR)

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was going to say the same thing :-)

 these reviews mean a lot because in both cases the writers have been
 following us.

 I liked the Engadget piece too because it was not only positive, there
 was a link to the shaky but true video ;-)
 http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/sugar-on-a-stick-os-goes-to-2-0-gets-blueberry-coating-and-crea/

 Sean

I added the engadget link too. It may be time to move some of the
older links something else... Ever since we got a marketing team, we
are hard pressed to keep up.

-walter

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com 
 wrote:
 Walter Bender wrote:

 Which of all the Blueberry coverage do you think is best
 representative to include in the wiki news section?

 -walter

 I do really like the wired.com and arstechnica.com coverages, but will leave
 this to Sean... :)

 --Sebastian

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 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/12/sugar-software-environment-gets-sweeter-with-version-2.ars

 http://www.dailycomm.ru/m/6631/


 http://www.blogeee.net/2009/12/sugarlab-lance-sa-deuxieme-version-de-sugar-on-a-stick/


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Re: [SoaS] soas and projectors

[Walter Bender]

I am assuming xrandr is also available on Blueberry (haven't tried).
It will let you do pretty much anything you want. Typing xrandr from
the Terminal activity should give you the names and options for your
various displays. Then you want something like:

xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x768 --auto

-walter

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
 When I boot into Blueberry and my laptop is attached to a projector, X
 automatically splits the display where the left half is displayed on
 the laptop and the right half shows up on the projector screen. The
 same usually happen in GNOME as well, but there we have a Display
 app to choose Mirror screen option.

 Any ideas?

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Re: [SoaS] Sugar on a Stick v2 Blueberry is GOLD

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 I'm happy to announce that Sugar on a Stick v2 Blueberry has reached its
 final state. No further changes will be made at this point and mainline
 will be branched off in GIT.

 Efforts will focus on documentation from now on, with the goal to make
 the upcoming launch as successful as possible. The current release
 notes, which might not yet work, are available here:

    http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Blueberry

 Thanks everybody, who joined over the time, making this release great!

 For those of you attending FUDCon, we might have an early surprise.

 Discussion on changes for SoaS v3 will start soon, however, the dust
 from the upcoming Blueberry launch should settle first.

 Thanks,
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[SoaS] [DP] wrapping things up

[Walter Bender]

We discussed the merits of imposing a deadline on the SoaS DP during
the SLOB meeting today. We would like a report from the DP no later
than 4 December 2009 in time for our next board meeting (15:00 UTC,
10:00 EST). Please contact me if you think this will be a problem.

Thanks for all the hard work to date.

regards.

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Re: [SoaS] journal activity

[Walter Bender]

You have probably neglected to allocate persistent storage when you
created your image. Are you using LiveUSB-creator? If so, set some
persistent storage with the slider on the application panel.

-walter

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 hello,
 i'd like to know if it is possible to make a persistent installation
 of soas, since it seems that each time i reboot into soas some
 activities are not logged and it seems as if i start them anew;

 i am a linux user so i could also manage things from the terminal, if needed

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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] questions about 2 soas features

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 hello
 i'd like to know two things about soas-strawberry:
 1. if it is possible to make a usb installation persistent, meaning
 that each time i reboot into that, all settings and activities are
 saved and reloaded; in this moment i do not know how to do it

If you are using the Fedora create_liveusb utility, then you can
specify how much storage to allocate to persistence. Alas, the default
value for the slider (on the right side of the widget) is 0. Most of
the other scripts used for creating USBs have options for adding
persistent storage.

 2. i read in the floss manual for sugar that power options should be
 available under general options for the user but i did not find any of
 them in my installation; where can i find them

A better list for Sugar on a Stick specific questions is:

soas@lists.sugarlabs.org

 thank you very much

 ps: is this the correct mailing list to post this kind of questions ?
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Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)

[Walter Bender]

2009/10/1 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez ru...@gnu.org:
[snip]

 We did almost no changes to our build scripts for this project, it works
 just with the tiny trisquel-sugar metapackage, some artwork, and the
 impressive repository Aleksey built for us.

Now that is impressive!!

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