SDK: creating a dynamic non-modal PPG in C++

[Matt Lind]

Hopefully someone is still around to answer this question:

I have written tons of scripts over the years.  One technique I use for 
creating non-modal dialogs is to create a view and populate it with a 
dynamically generated custom property so nothing needs to hang around at the 
scene root.  This allows the tool to be non-modal so the user can use it 
again and again without having to re-launch the tool or be locked into only 
using that tool.

example (JScript):

// Create a dynamic custom property not attached to anything in the scene.
var oCustomProperty = XSIFactory.CreateObject( "CustomProperty" );
oCustomProperty.Name = "MyPPG";

// Add a scalar parameter called "somevalue" with default value 0.5 and 
range [0...1]
oCustomProperty.AddParameter( "somevalue", siFloat, siClassifUnknown, 
siSilent, "", "", "", 0.5, 0, 1, 0, 1 );

// Create the layout, add the parameter, then rename it 'ratio'.
var oPPGLayout = oCustomProperty.PPGLayout;
oPPGLayout.Clear();

var oPPGItem = oPPGLayout.AddItem( "somevalue", "ratio", siControlNumber );
oPPGItem.LabelMinPixels = 90;

// define callbacks
oPPGLayout.Language = "JScript"
oPPGLayout.Logic = OnInit.toString() + somevalue_OnChanged.toString()

// embed the custom property into a 'view'
var oView = Application.Desktop.ActiveLayout.CreateView( "Property Panel" );
oView.SetAttribute( "targetcontent", oCustomProperty );

// set dimensions, then display the view as a non-modal dialog box
oView.Resize( 500, 300 );
oView.Visibility = true;

function OnInit()
{
PPG.Refresh();
}

function somevalue_OnChanged()
{
LogMessage( "Hey, put it back!", siComment );
}


I have some old C++ code I need to update and noticed it creates a custom 
property at the scene root, then uses InspectObj() to display the custom 
property as a modal dialog.  I want to convert it to use the above technique 
to make it non-modal and not litter the scene root.  I have already 
converted all the code and am successfully displaying the view, but clicking 
buttons, adjusting sliders, etc.. is not triggering the PPGEvent callback 
(equivalent to _OnInit() and _OnChanged() in scripting) to allow the tool to 
respond to user interaction.  The difficulty is with PPGLayout.PutLogic() 
(PPGLayout.Logic in scripting) which only accepts scripted code.

Question:  How do I define/register the callbacks for a non-modal custom 
property in a C++ (other than defining a self installing custom property 
plugin)?

Matt



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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[David Gallagher Softimage]

How do you see prices on those?


On 6/7/2017 6:15 AM, Andreas Böinghoff wrote:

For new machines we're going for supermicro.

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm

We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had.


A

On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:


I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad 
of AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they 
can get their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/
On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware 
to be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never 
mind 3d professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer 
electronics for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for 
a 3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/



Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and
a little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think
of for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years.
Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the
move from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za 
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald
Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng;
Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke;
Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel  : +2711 717 1602

Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za






*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list

*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
] *On Behalf
Of *Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google .

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

I;m having issues even getting into installed linux, starting up
installation get's stuck as well. starts booting into installation and
hangs.. on 3 different machines so I gave up completely. But anyway OT...
move on :)
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Angus Davidson 
wrote:

> Do you Have Nvidia Opti,us graphics. As they are no end of pain of Linux?
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>
> *Chief Information Officer (Wits)*
>
> +27117171662 <+27%2011%20717%201662>
>
> +27733779947 <+27%2073%20377%209947>
>
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
>
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>
>
>
> *PA*
>
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602 <+27%2011%20717%201602>
>
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 07 June 2017 03:24 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/
> forum/#!forum/xsi_list
> *Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
> centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
>
>> Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than
>> others.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Mirko Jankovic 
>> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>
>> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>>
>>
>>
>> Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers
>> updated and all up and running and working in same day it will be
>> nightmare.
>>
>> Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded
>> upgrades policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap..
>> But tried Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version
>> up and running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+
>> years of experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it
>> surely something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply
>> makes no point in wasting so much money on something that
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
>> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
>> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
>> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
>> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
>> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
>> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
>> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Angus
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Jonathan Moore 
>> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
>> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end
>> of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to
>> Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the
>> experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be
>> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d
>> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for
>> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <
>> christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>>
>>
>>

RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

Do you Have Nvidia Opti,us graphics. As they are no end of pain of Linux?

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683










From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
Chief Information Officer (Wits)
+27117171662
+27733779947
stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

PA
Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
Tel  :+2711 717 1602
Email  :   
celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za




From: Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 June 2017 03:24 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=abWlya29qLmFuaW1hdG9yQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D=zerocontent=75f9e534-7f96-4477-a6b8-1151d5cb1cd9]ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than others.

From: Mirko Jankovic 
>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM

To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated and 
all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades 
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried Linux 
road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and running on 
any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of experience have 
to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely something wrong with that 
OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no point in wasting so much money 
on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore 
>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>

Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
supporting 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson 
wrote:

> Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than
> others.
>
>
>
> *From: *Mirko Jankovic 
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
>
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated
> and all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
>
> Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades
> policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried
> Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and
> running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of
> experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely
> something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no
> point in wasting so much money on something that
>
> ᐧ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
>
> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>
>
>
> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Angus
>
>
>
> *From: *Jonathan Moore 
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of
> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows
> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.
>
>
>
> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be
> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d
> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for
> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <
> christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>
>
>
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
> don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
> Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
> small on Mac.
>
>
>
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
>
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Thanks for the link ref Supermicro Andreas. They look monstrously good for GPU 
workflows. :)


> On 7 Jun 2017, at 13:15, Andreas Böinghoff  
> wrote:
> 
> For new machines we're going for supermicro. 
> 
> https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm 
> 
> 
> We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
> redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had. 
> 
> A
> 
> On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:
>> I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad of 
>> AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can get 
>> their hands on it ;-)
>> Rob
>> 
>> \/-\/\/
>> On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
>>> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of 
>>> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows 
>>> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience. 
>>> 
>>> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be 
>>> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d 
>>> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for 
>>> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>>> 
 On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
 
 During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
 supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing 
 it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their 
 Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed 
 something). I don't think many developers are willing to write their 
 software using the Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D 
 market is fairly small on Mac.
 
 Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing 
 when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
 
 
 On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > wrote:
 One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
 
 https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
  
 
 Rob
 
 \/-\/\/
 On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little 
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the 
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today. 
> 
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from 
> apple far less painful for us
> 
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts 
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za 
> 011 717 4683
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Stanley Mpofu
> Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; 
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho 
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; 
> Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
> 
> Colleagues
> 
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction 
> as well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT 
> and the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around 
> what I have proposed for Wits going forward.
> 
>  
>  
> Many thanks
> 
>  
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
> 
> Chief Information Officer (Wits)
> 
> +27117171662
> 
> +27733779947
> 
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
> 
>  
> PA
> 
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
> 
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602
> 
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za 
>    
> 
>  
>  
>  
> From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com 
> ]
> Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
> 
> Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
> 
> Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than others.

From: Mirko Jankovic 
Reply-To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated and 
all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades 
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried Linux 
road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and running on 
any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of experience have 
to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely something wrong with that 
OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no point in wasting so much money 
on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore 
>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>

Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. To 
make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing when 
they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > 
wrote:
One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob



\/-\/\/
On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit of 
after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple far 
less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683








From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated
and all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried
Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and
running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of
experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely
something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no
point in wasting so much money on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
wrote:

> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>
>
>
> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Angus
>
>
>
> *From: *Jonathan Moore 
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of
> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows
> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.
>
>
>
> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be
> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d
> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for
> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <
> christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>
>
>
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
> don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
> Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
> small on Mac.
>
>
>
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
>
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>
> *Chief Information Officer (Wits)*
>
> +27117171662 <+27%2011%20717%201662>
>
> +27733779947 <+27%2073%20377%209947>
>
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
>
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>
>
>
> *PA*
>
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602 <+27%2011%20717%201602>
>
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore 
Reply-To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. To 
make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing when 
they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > 
wrote:
One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob



\/-\/\/
On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit of 
after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple far 
less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683









From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
Chief Information Officer (Wits)
+27117171662
+27733779947
stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

PA
Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
Tel  :+2711 717 1602
Email  :   
celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za




From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
MAC

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
Sent: June-06-17 3:36 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google. com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 

Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 generation 
Zseries workstations but 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Andreas Böinghoff]

For new machines we're going for supermicro.

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm

We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had.


A

On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:


I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad 
of AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can 
get their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/
On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware 
to be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 
3d professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer 
electronics for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 
3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/



Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and
a little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think
of for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years.
Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the
move from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za 
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa;
Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts;
Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel  :+2711 717 1602

Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za






*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list

*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google .
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Rob Wuijster]

I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad of 
AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can get 
their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/

On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to 
be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d 
professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics 
for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster > wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/



Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a
little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of
for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to
and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move
from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za 
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa;
Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts;
Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel  :+2711 717 1602

Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za






*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list

*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google .
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 

*Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?


Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of
2012-2014 generation Zseries workstations but the final good
points about them is that they're built like tanks with top
drawer components so they’re 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience. 

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet  
> wrote:
> 
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
> 
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. 
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
> think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
> to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.
> 
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing 
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
> 
> 
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster  > wrote:
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
> 
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>  
> 
> Rob
> 
> \/-\/\/
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit 
>> of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
>> decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today. 
>> 
>> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple 
>> far less painful for us
>> 
>> --
>> ICT Project Manager
>> Digital Arts 
>> Wits School of the Arts
>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za 
>> 011 717 4683
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Stanley Mpofu
>> Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
>> To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; 
>> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho 
>> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest 
>> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
>> Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>> 
>> Colleagues
>> 
>> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as 
>> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and 
>> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I 
>> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Many thanks
>> 
>>  
>> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>> 
>> Chief Information Officer (Wits)
>> 
>> +27117171662
>> 
>> +27733779947
>> 
>> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 
>> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>> 
>>  
>> PA
>> 
>> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>> 
>> Tel  :+2711 717 1602
>> 
>> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za 
>>    
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com 
>> ]
>> Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
>> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
>> 
>> Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>> 
>> Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
>> interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
>> 
>> MAC
>> 
>>  
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
>> Sent: June-06-17 3:36 PM
>> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google 
>> . 
>> com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>> 
>>  
>> Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 
>> generation Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is that 
>> they're built like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less risk 
>> than many other second hand purchases. The total cost for my three Zseries 
>> workstations was under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of processing 
>> power for the budget (96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And E5-6670’s are 
>> incredibly efficient too so running costs are very favourable for typical 
>> Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. Although running 9 GPU’s across three 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Christopher Crouzet]

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster  wrote:

> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>
> *Chief Information Officer (Wits)*
>
> +27117171662
>
> +27733779947
>
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
>
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>
>
>
> *PA*
>
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602
>
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
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> *From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
> *Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/
> forum/#!forum/xsi_list
> *Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
> Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but
> was interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
>
> MAC
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jonathan Moore
> *Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.
> com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014
> generation Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is
> that they're built like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less
> risk than many other second hand purchases. The total cost for my three
> Zseries workstations was under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of
> processing power for the budget (96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And
> E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so running costs are very favourable
> for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. Although running 9 GPU’s across
> three workstations for rendering chews through the juice.
>
>
>
> So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better ways
> to spend your cash!  :)
>
>
>
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go for a
> dual processes build.
>
>
>
> Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for GPU
> rendering but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple systems) at
> the right price, you’re get something that performs well both on CPU
> simulations and on GPU rendering duties.
>
>
>
> http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic  wrote:
>
>
>
> I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2
> slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for
> gpu rendering. --
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Rob Wuijster]

One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a 
little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for 
some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and 
including today.


At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from 
apple far less painful for us


--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga 
Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; 
Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James 
Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs

*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic 
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to the 
SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with comments and 
more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za 

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel :+2711 717 1602

Email : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za 




*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list

*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore 
but was interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.


MAC

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jonathan Moore

*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google. 
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 

*Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 
generation Zseries workstations but the final good points about them 
is that they're built like tanks with top drawer components so they’re 
less risk than many other second hand purchases. The total cost for my 
three Zseries workstations was under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a 
heap of processing power for the budget (96 threads running at 3.1 
Ghz). And E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so running costs are 
very favourable for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. Although 
running 9 GPU’s across three workstations for rendering chews through 
the juice.


So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better 
ways to spend your cash!  :)


On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore > wrote:



As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go
for a dual processes build.

Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for
GPU rendering but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple
systems) at the right price, you’re get something that performs
well both on CPU simulations and on GPU rendering duties.

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf

On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic > wrote:

I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only
had pcie 2 slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems
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Re: OTish - Soft2Maya transition list

[Anto Matkovic]

I think, one huge problem with Mayans or at least Maya artists, is that they 
simply can not understand the words like "consistency" or ''system'', perhaps 
because they never experienced one, or, this always been provided by someone 
else like TDs, or it's just a side effect of specialization. They can not 
figure out that this or that small feature (or in other word, whatever is 
possible to do with scripting and other TD's capabilities) means little or 
nothing, if it's not applicable in at least 90% of possible cases. While 
providing that 90% belongs only to developers, or, people who are able to 
rebuild the entire software from scratch.
Anyway, back to reality, here in last year, any, any Maya session longer than 
one hour, belongs only to plain rigging (that is, dealing only with transform 
nodes) and animation, or simple moving of vertices. Whenever it comes to any 
topology change, time of survival is around 20 minutes. In some versions it was 
just a crash, in some others it was a sort of disintegration where Attribute 
Editor refuses to update, HUD become frozen. Shrink Wrap , Skin Cluster or 
whatever refuses to update to new settings, so on and so on, so restart was 
only option.
Of course I'd be able to live with that, but, why today is 2017 and owner 
is Autodesk, it's their answer to take look at suites if Maya doesn't fit, to 
download Fusion 360 if I'm unhappy with Maya NurbS In my opinion, for 
anything else than rigging and animation, this software simply does not fit 
into description of professional 3d, in 2017. Nothing hard here, nothing simple 
or complex, no poetry here - it's just a low quality crap. And it's only Maya 
with such a huge unusable part. Nobody else.
  From: "Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES II]" 
 To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:06 PM
 Subject: RE: OTish - Soft2Maya transition list
   
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{}#yiv4126039658 Back in the day Maya was not designed to be, nor intended to 
be, a generalist 3D app. In a lot of ways its still indistinguishable from its 
original design 20 years ago. And one of the things any Maya user should never 
presume is that it is a generalist app. Sadly its not and never was an app for 
generalists.    The need to build things such as scripts, as you have 
described, should not be viewed as a workaround. It is the workflow. Maya was 
created by its original AW engineers that way by design. Back in 98 I called 
tech support to complain that invert component selection was missing. I was 
told bluntly that is why they created MEL, so that I could make the things I 
need. I was told that I would need to make invert selection myself. Being a 
generalist, and knowing nothing of MEL at the time, I complained to AW that 
such an expectation was unreasonable. One of the tech’s, after getting more 
than his share of my opinion why such a philosophy was illogical and lacked 
significant foresight by their engineers, relented, wrote it, and sent it to 
me.     I’m not agreeing with the philosophy nor promoting it. I was floored 
that something so simple and rudimentary was apparently just left out of the 
application. I thought it was wrong then and I still do now. But the way to 
think about Maya, the way they wanted people to think of Maya back in the 90s, 
is that it was intended to be a shell. A shell that each workgroup could mold 
into that workgroup’s own unique animation system. But it wasn’t designed with 
generalists in mind.     Can a generalist use Maya? Absolutely. I did that for 
more than a decade before I returned to XSI. But the Maya “generalist” has to 
accept that they are going to have to be more than a generalist. They are going 
to have to be the “workgroup”.    In Maya simple things are hard, hard things 
are simple. It’s the equivalent to using a sledgehammer to drive a thumbtack.   
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