Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[ivan t]

Hi,

Could you send those details (UV map) to me ? We could have it in our
bugtracker database but I like to be sure we are on the same track.


Thanks
Ivan
Email : ivan@nospam.autodesk.com
please remove "nospam" from the email.

RE: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Those cycling is somewhat connected to the symmetrized polygons, or the turn 
internal edge function. However, in SI2013 it is resolved.

I've made my feature request of FBX improvement, and the funny thing that there 
is no consistency in the plugins in Max Maya and Softimage. Neither of them is 
perfect, but the funny thing is that after numerous tests I think that the best 
would be if they would merge the three plugins into one. In my opinion the 
feature list would be:

1. Triangulation
2. Convert to null
3. Scale based on either unit, or scale number
4. FPS setting (IMO the best if it's exported from DCC and imported from the 
FBX)
5. etc.

If Autodesk want to make FBX a intermediate format they should make more effort 
on uniforming the plugins.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com on behalf of David Barosin
Sent: Sat 12/29/2012 7:04 PM
To: xsi
Subject: Re: FBX and soft is rubbish
 
Yes that has bitten me pretty bad on one project.  The UV's on some
individual polygons rotate when exporting with FBX.  Crosswalk is much
better for going to maya with UV's intact.


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Sebastien Sterling <
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed the uv bug when exporting FBX from soft to Maya ?
> all the uv's get disconnected, it must be something to do with tearing mode
> in Soft.
>
>
> On 29 December 2012 12:56, Chris Chia  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> I hope the following links will help:
>>
>>
>> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/xsidocs/import_export_xwalk4xsi_ImportingandExportingFBXFiles.htm#Rbn41429
>>
>> http://xsisupport.com/2011/06/01/exporting-fbx-to-maya/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 29 Dec, 2012, at 8:41 PM, "Ben Beckett" > nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> Alls good, Sorry if I was a bit well way!
>>
>> But Cross walk is brill all. I was give a load of mocap to sort very late.
>>
>> Importing them in to XSI seems never to work the way one would expect,
>> the key are all over the place. I guess they come in at 30 or 24 fps never
>> 25.
>>
>> But Importing via Maya back to xsi via crosswalk works a treat. but bit
>> long winded!
>>
>> So It leaves me with one question why can't we force the FPS on FBX
>> imports into XSI.
>>
>> Hope everyone a happy new thanks
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 29 December 2012 10:12, Chris Chia > chris.c...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>> Have you tried Crosswalk?
>> And what exactly do you wish to achieve?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett" > nebbeck...@gmail.com><mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com> nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> more option on import would be nice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett > nebbeck...@gmail.com><mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com> nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> Am I missing something
>>
>> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
>> was Fup
>>
>> Sort it out Autodesk
>>
>> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
>> like Maya
>>
>> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>>
>> check it at the right FPS
>>
>> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>>
>> TIT wa#k
>>
>>
>>
>

<>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[David Barosin]

Yes that has bitten me pretty bad on one project.  The UV's on some
individual polygons rotate when exporting with FBX.  Crosswalk is much
better for going to maya with UV's intact.


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Sebastien Sterling <
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed the uv bug when exporting FBX from soft to Maya ?
> all the uv's get disconnected, it must be something to do with tearing mode
> in Soft.
>
>
> On 29 December 2012 12:56, Chris Chia  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> I hope the following links will help:
>>
>>
>> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/xsidocs/import_export_xwalk4xsi_ImportingandExportingFBXFiles.htm#Rbn41429
>>
>> http://xsisupport.com/2011/06/01/exporting-fbx-to-maya/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 29 Dec, 2012, at 8:41 PM, "Ben Beckett" > nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> Alls good, Sorry if I was a bit well way!
>>
>> But Cross walk is brill all. I was give a load of mocap to sort very late.
>>
>> Importing them in to XSI seems never to work the way one would expect,
>> the key are all over the place. I guess they come in at 30 or 24 fps never
>> 25.
>>
>> But Importing via Maya back to xsi via crosswalk works a treat. but bit
>> long winded!
>>
>> So It leaves me with one question why can't we force the FPS on FBX
>> imports into XSI.
>>
>> Hope everyone a happy new thanks
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 29 December 2012 10:12, Chris Chia > chris.c...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>> Have you tried Crosswalk?
>> And what exactly do you wish to achieve?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett" > nebbeck...@gmail.com> nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> more option on import would be nice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett > nebbeck...@gmail.com> nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> Am I missing something
>>
>> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
>> was Fup
>>
>> Sort it out Autodesk
>>
>> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
>> like Maya
>>
>> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>>
>> check it at the right FPS
>>
>> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>>
>> TIT wa#k
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Debdas Mohanty]

Hello Ben,

The same problem I face few days back..

In SI 2011, FPS option was there but  they removed it with newer
version..If you will import your file through SI 2011 it will import
properly but i know ,it will not be wise thing to do every time...i know
how painful when you work on crowdfx and import files from different
sources..

any way if you are using 2013 try to install SI2013 SP1.. that may fix your
problem...



Debadas Mohanty
Senior Fx Artist
MakutaVFX
http://www.makutavfx.com/

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Sebastien Sterling]

Has anyone else noticed the uv bug when exporting FBX from soft to Maya ?
all the uv's get disconnected, it must be something to do with tearing mode
in Soft.

On 29 December 2012 12:56, Chris Chia  wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> I hope the following links will help:
>
>
> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/xsidocs/import_export_xwalk4xsi_ImportingandExportingFBXFiles.htm#Rbn41429
>
> http://xsisupport.com/2011/06/01/exporting-fbx-to-maya/
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> On 29 Dec, 2012, at 8:41 PM, "Ben Beckett"  nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris
>
> Alls good, Sorry if I was a bit well way!
>
> But Cross walk is brill all. I was give a load of mocap to sort very late.
>
> Importing them in to XSI seems never to work the way one would expect, the
> key are all over the place. I guess they come in at 30 or 24 fps never 25.
>
> But Importing via Maya back to xsi via crosswalk works a treat. but bit
> long winded!
>
> So It leaves me with one question why can't we force the FPS on FBX
> imports into XSI.
>
> Hope everyone a happy new thanks
> Ben
>
>
> On 29 December 2012 10:12, Chris Chia  chris.c...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> Have you tried Crosswalk?
> And what exactly do you wish to achieve?
>
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
> On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett"  nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> more option on import would be nice.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett  nebbeck...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> Am I missing something
>
> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
> was Fup
>
> Sort it out Autodesk
>
> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
> like Maya
>
> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>
> check it at the right FPS
>
> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>
> TIT wa#k
>
>
>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Chris Chia]

Hi Ben,
I hope the following links will help:

http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/xsidocs/import_export_xwalk4xsi_ImportingandExportingFBXFiles.htm#Rbn41429

http://xsisupport.com/2011/06/01/exporting-fbx-to-maya/

Cheers,
Chris


On 29 Dec, 2012, at 8:41 PM, "Ben Beckett" 
mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Chris

Alls good, Sorry if I was a bit well way!

But Cross walk is brill all. I was give a load of mocap to sort very late.

Importing them in to XSI seems never to work the way one would expect, the key 
are all over the place. I guess they come in at 30 or 24 fps never 25.

But Importing via Maya back to xsi via crosswalk works a treat. but bit long 
winded!

So It leaves me with one question why can't we force the FPS on FBX imports 
into XSI.

Hope everyone a happy new thanks
Ben


On 29 December 2012 10:12, Chris Chia 
mailto:chris.c...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Hi Ben,
Have you tried Crosswalk?
And what exactly do you wish to achieve?


Regards,
Chris


On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett" 
mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:

more option on import would be nice.





On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett 
mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
Am I missing something

To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all was 
Fup

Sort it out Autodesk

So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app like 
Maya

So the way I do it is maya import FBX

check it at the right FPS

expoxt via cros walk back to soft

TIT wa#k


<>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Ben Beckett]

Hi Chris

Alls good, Sorry if I was a bit well way!

But Cross walk is brill all. I was give a load of mocap to sort very late.

Importing them in to XSI seems never to work the way one would expect, the
key are all over the place. I guess they come in at 30 or 24 fps never 25.

But Importing via Maya back to xsi via crosswalk works a treat. but bit
long winded!

So It leaves me with one question why can't we force the FPS on FBX imports
into XSI.

Hope everyone a happy new thanks
Ben


On 29 December 2012 10:12, Chris Chia  wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> Have you tried Crosswalk?
> And what exactly do you wish to achieve?
>
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
> On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett"  nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> more option on import would be nice.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett  nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Am I missing something
>
> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
> was Fup
>
> Sort it out Autodesk
>
> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
> like Maya
>
> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>
> check it at the right FPS
>
> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>
> TIT wa#k
>
>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Chris Chia]

Hi Ben,
Have you tried Crosswalk?
And what exactly do you wish to achieve?


Regards,
Chris


On 28 Dec, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "Ben Beckett" 
mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:

more option on import would be nice.





On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett 
mailto:nebbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Am I missing something

To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all was 
Fup

Sort it out Autodesk

So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app like 
Maya

So the way I do it is maya import FBX

check it at the right FPS

expoxt via cros walk back to soft

TIT wa#k

<>

Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Andy Moorer]

Might not apply but just in case, FYI after using Alembic crate, I'm never 
looking back. Nothing prior even comes close. Cameras, geo, point clouds, 
transforms on nulls etc, back and forth between applications, easily and 
without a hitch. Worth every penny IMHO... Might be a solution, if you have a 
lot of FBX data to go into soft perhaps it is worth your time to use the python 
API to convert it all to .abc

> And for the record... why is there a fps setting anywhere in the fbx spec? 
> G. Gimme straight frames.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Ben Beckett  wrote:
>> more option on import would be nice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett  wrote:
>>> Am I missing something
>>> 
>>> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all 
>>> was Fup
>>> 
>>> Sort it out Autodesk
>>> 
>>> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app 
>>> like Maya
>>> 
>>> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>>> 
>>> check it at the right FPS
>>> 
>>> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>>> 
>>> TIT wa#k
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Gene Crucean]

FBX is total shit. Always has been, always will be.

I would honestly give dotXSI a try for both directions. Download the latest
version here...
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=13525184&linkID=12544121


And for the record... why is there a fps setting anywhere in the fbx spec?
G. Gimme straight frames.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Ben Beckett  wrote:

> more option on import would be nice.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett  wrote:
>
>> Am I missing something
>>
>> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
>> was Fup
>>
>> Sort it out Autodesk
>>
>> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
>> like Maya
>>
>> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>>
>> check it at the right FPS
>>
>> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>>
>> TIT wa#k
>>
>
>


-- 
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Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer
** *Freelance for hire* **
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Re: FBX and soft is rubbish

[Ben Beckett]

more option on import would be nice.





On 28 December 2012 00:07, Ben Beckett  wrote:

> Am I missing something
>
> To import a FBX in to soft is pile of #$%?? there no FPS seting so it all
> was Fup
>
> Sort it out Autodesk
>
> So the only way for a while one has been able to do it is via another app
> like Maya
>
> So the way I do it is maya import FBX
>
> check it at the right FPS
>
> expoxt via cros walk back to soft
>
> TIT wa#k
>