Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

There isn't going to be anythings called service packs for Windows 10,
it's continuous updates
The big fall update was released three weeks ago.
I've had trouble (audio not working, sleep issues) with my cheap HP
laptop and had to go back to win7, but there is actually a button in
windows 10 to go back to 7.
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-how-to-roll-back/

On 26 November 2015 at 16:34, Tenshi .  wrote:
> I think people always forget the 1st rule of "new things".
> Wait people use it, read reviews, and WAIT the second or third wave of the
> product. This applies from software to hardware.
>
> At first i was like Windows 10 -¬- , then i began to read reviews and i
> remember that rule, so i stopped my blindness, and said to myself. Wait
> until the SP1 arrives, then read AGAIN and if it's good, change it. (win 8
> sucks, i didn't bother applying that rule).
>
> my 2cents,

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Tenshi .]

I think people always forget the 1st rule of "new things".
Wait people use it, read reviews, and WAIT the second or third wave of the
product. This applies from software to hardware.

At first i was like Windows 10 -¬- , then i began to read reviews and i
remember that rule, so i stopped my blindness, and said to myself. Wait
until the SP1 arrives, then read AGAIN and if it's good, change it. (win 8
sucks, i didn't bother applying that rule).

my 2cents,

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Leendert A. Hartog 
wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist
>
> *From:* Stephen Blair 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:38 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.
>
> use the View object and the View.State property
>
>
> var desktop = Application.Desktop;
> var views = desktop.ActiveLayout.Views;
> for( i=0; i if ( views(i).Floating == true )
> {
> Application.LogMessage( views(i).FullName );
> views(i).state = 1;
> }
> }
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephan,
>> Would you care to share your little “floating windows closing script”?
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist
>>
>> *From:* Stephan Woermann 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:02 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.
>>
>> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have
>> sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
>> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue
>> is gone...
>>
>> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Leendert A. Hartog]

Thanks.

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist

From: Stephen Blair 
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

use the View object and the View.State property 


var desktop = Application.Desktop;
var views = desktop.ActiveLayout.Views;
for( i=0; i wrote:

  Hi Stephan,
  Would you care to share your little “floating windows closing script”?

  Greetz
  Leendert
  AKA Hirazi Blue
  Softimage hobbyist

  From: Stephan Woermann 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:02 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

  At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have 
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.

  When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue is 
gone...


  Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Stephen Blair]

use the View object and the View.State property


var desktop = Application.Desktop;
var views = desktop.ActiveLayout.Views;
for( i=0; i
wrote:

> Hi Stephan,
> Would you care to share your little “floating windows closing script”?
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist
>
> *From:* Stephan Woermann 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:02 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.
>
> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have
> sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue
> is gone...
>
> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Leendert A. Hartog]

Hi Stephan,
Would you care to share your little “floating windows closing script”?

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist

From: Stephan Woermann 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:02 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have 
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.

When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue is 
gone...


Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[skuby]

Which VNC's do you guys know of, where the server can run on Windows, and
also allows for Pressure Sensitive stylus input from the client?

If you are trying to run Photoshop or ZBrush, the server has to be Windows
(or OSX compatible).

I have heard of one and it does support pressure/tilt/etc. (but the server
is GNU+Linux only), (it is specifically designed for 3D via OpenGL, not
DirectX, basically it renders the GL on the server, but it stores a copy of
the computed data in GL language instead of rasterizing it, it also blocks
out areas of the screen that get changed, and sends only the blocks of
updated GL code to the client and the client only renders what needs to be
updated and it is faster because the client and the network have much less
of a streaming load to deal with vs. traditional VNC which sends compressed
image data rather than portions of compressed GL data).  It also has a
separate handling method for the 2D information being transferred (menu's
and whatnot), so both 2D and 3D are optimized in their own way.  The
software *also supports pressure sensitivity/tilt* - *HOWEVER*, while the
client works on OSX, Windows and Linux -the server end of it is Linux only,
so it would not work for ZBrush or Photoshop (it's called TurboVNC +
VirtualGL and they are open source GPL v2 so, it is possible that someone
could potentially create a Windows port of the server, but I have no idea
how much work would be involved in that).

A port of the above would be amazing, would open up a lot of possibilities
(like Photoshop and ZBrush).  I am getting into this, because I want to get
a cheap windows tablet, one of those 1920x1080 ones that have a Wacom built
in for like $300, and use that to remote into a more powerful Linux
Workstation server to run my 3D Linux suite (70% of my 2D and 3D software
are Linux compatible) and have full desktop power with pressure sensitivity
anywhere I can get a good 4G signal around the city.  If there was also a
Windows port, then I could do the same thing with Photoshop and other
Windows/OSX only tools.  Would be a dream.

http://turbovnc.org/
http://www.virtualgl.org/
again, only the client runs on all platforms, the server which is also the
device that runs the virtualgl toolkit, is Linux only, so no
ZBrush/Photoshop.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Personal  wrote:

> Zbrush should work nice too, as it rely mostly on CPU not on GPU there
> should not be any significant problems with it on vbox. There is 3dCoat for
> Lnux  that could work as replacement for many things.
>
> --
> Micic Srecko
> ---
> Mail:
> srecko.mi...@gmail.com
> Skype:srecko.micic
> ---
>
> On 26/11/2015 13:18:41, Angus Davidson  wrote:
> No Zbrush would suck.
>
> if your setup is decent you can use virtual box to do most Adobe stuff.
> Not sure if it would extend to things like zBrush though)
>
>
>
> On 26 Nov 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cristobal Infante  wrote:
>
> Also no Zbrush ;(
>
> I guess you need a second box for all the windows stuff!
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 12:03, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
>
>> I would consider no adobe a plus ;)
>>
>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 1:43 PM, Cristobal Infante  wrote:
>>
>> That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)
>>
>> I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER
>> SOLID.
>>
>> The only pain, no adobe etc...
>>
>> On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers Softies,
>>>
>>> I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there'
>>> s no great gains.
>>>
>>> Adam.
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby  wrote:
>>>
 If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I
 would do it on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.
 I've had multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them
 were brand new.  I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a
 preview build) allows you to start with a clean install instead of
 requiring an upgrade to register first (if you are doing the free upgrade
 path, previously you had to upgrade/register first and later you could do a
 clean install), so try that on a separate HDD, if it works, great.

 If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on
 anything, it doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7
 Workstation user and a problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee
 unless you buy like a brand new Surface device or something along those
 lines.

 I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in
 Wacom in the screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an
 improvement for a pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style
 key input for touch typing.

 In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the
 switch because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Personal]

Zbrush should work nice too, as it rely mostly on CPU not on GPU there should 
not be any significant problems with it on vbox. There is 3dCoat for Lnux  that 
could work as replacement for many things.

-- 
Micic Srecko
---
Mail: 
srecko.mi...@gmail.com
Skype:srecko.micic
---
On 26/11/2015 13:18:41, Angus Davidson  wrote:
No Zbrush would suck.

if your setup is decent you can use virtual box to do most Adobe stuff. Not 
sure if it would extend to things like zBrush though)



On 26 Nov 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cristobal Infante mailto:cgc...@gmail.com]> wrote:

Also no Zbrush ;( 

I guess you need a second box for all the windows stuff!

On 26 November 2015 at 12:03, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za]> wrote:

I would consider no adobe a plus ;)

On 26 Nov 2015, at 1:43 PM, Cristobal Infante mailto:cgc...@gmail.com]> wrote:

That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)

I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER SOLID.

The only pain, no adobe etc... 

On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley mailto:adammsee...@gmail.com]> wrote:

Cheers Softies,

I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s no 
great gains.

Adam.

On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby mailto:sku...@gmail.com]> wrote:

If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would do it 
on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've had 
multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were brand new. 
 I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview build) allows 
you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an upgrade to register 
first (if you are doing the free upgrade path, previously you had to 
upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean install), so try that on 
a separate HDD, if it works, great.


If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on anything, it 
doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7 Workstation user and a 
problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee unless you buy like a brand 
new Surface device or something along those lines.


I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom in the 
screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an improvement for a 
pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style key input for touch 
typing.


In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the switch 
because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10 exclusive.


MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design decisions 
(aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive to the new 
"settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control panel items 
are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in one spot, now 
it's in two and in some cases, like power management for laptops, it's split 
accross both, the new settings window but then the old control panel when you 
go into advanced settings).  That's just one example, personally I think it's 
quite a bit of a mess, but it is still use-able.

I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10 that is 
a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of the new 
stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it better if I was 
running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something but even then, I 
doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and trouble shooting 
weren't paid off by any great new features.


Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and while I 
pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to my daily 
routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows 7 machine.  
Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux (openSUSE) on another 
system, so much to learn, so little time...


On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling mailto:james.decoll...@gmail.com]> wrote:

clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no problems with 
SI, Maya or Unity.

all machines running GTX960/970 cards.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann mailto:swoerman...@googlemail.com]> wrote:

At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have 
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.

When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue is 
gone...


Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.






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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Angus Davidson]

No Zbrush would suck.

if your setup is decent you can use virtual box to do most Adobe stuff. Not 
sure if it would extend to things like zBrush though)



On 26 Nov 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cristobal Infante 
mailto:cgc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Also no Zbrush ;(

I guess you need a second box for all the windows stuff!

On 26 November 2015 at 12:03, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
I would consider no adobe a plus ;)

On 26 Nov 2015, at 1:43 PM, Cristobal Infante 
mailto:cgc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)

I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER SOLID.

The only pain, no adobe etc...

On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley 
mailto:adammsee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheers Softies,

I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s no 
great gains.

Adam.

On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby mailto:sku...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would do it 
on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've had 
multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were brand new. 
 I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview build) allows 
you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an upgrade to register 
first (if you are doing the free upgrade path, previously you had to 
upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean install), so try that on 
a separate HDD, if it works, great.

If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on anything, it 
doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7 Workstation user and a 
problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee unless you buy like a brand 
new Surface device or something along those lines.

I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom in the 
screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an improvement for a 
pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style key input for touch 
typing.

In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the switch 
because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10 exclusive.

MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design decisions 
(aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive to the new 
"settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control panel items 
are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in one spot, now 
it's in two and in some cases, like power management for laptops, it's split 
accross both, the new settings window but then the old control panel when you 
go into advanced settings).  That's just one example, personally I think it's 
quite a bit of a mess, but it is still use-able.

I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10 that is 
a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of the new 
stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it better if I was 
running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something but even then, I 
doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and trouble shooting 
weren't paid off by any great new features.

Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and while I 
pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to my daily 
routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows 7 machine.  
Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux (openSUSE) on another 
system, so much to learn, so little time...

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling 
mailto:james.decoll...@gmail.com>> wrote:
clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no problems with 
SI, Maya or Unity.

all machines running GTX960/970 cards.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann 
mailto:swoerman...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have 
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue is 
gone...

Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.









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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Cristobal Infante]

Also no Zbrush ;(

I guess you need a second box for all the windows stuff!

On 26 November 2015 at 12:03, Angus Davidson 
wrote:

> I would consider no adobe a plus ;)
>
> On 26 Nov 2015, at 1:43 PM, Cristobal Infante  wrote:
>
> That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)
>
> I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER SOLID.
>
> The only pain, no adobe etc...
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley  wrote:
>
>> Cheers Softies,
>>
>> I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s
>> no great gains.
>>
>> Adam.
>>
>> On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would
>>> do it on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've
>>> had multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were
>>> brand new.  I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview
>>> build) allows you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an
>>> upgrade to register first (if you are doing the free upgrade path,
>>> previously you had to upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean
>>> install), so try that on a separate HDD, if it works, great.
>>>
>>> If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on
>>> anything, it doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7
>>> Workstation user and a problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee
>>> unless you buy like a brand new Surface device or something along those
>>> lines.
>>>
>>> I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom
>>> in the screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an
>>> improvement for a pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style
>>> key input for touch typing.
>>>
>>> In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the
>>> switch because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10
>>> exclusive.
>>>
>>> MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design
>>> decisions (aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive
>>> to the new "settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control
>>> panel items are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in
>>> one spot, now it's in two and in some cases, like power management for
>>> laptops, it's split accross both, the new settings window but then the old
>>> control panel when you go into advanced settings).  That's just one
>>> example, personally I think it's quite a bit of a mess, but it is still
>>> use-able.
>>>
>>> I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10
>>> that is a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of
>>> the new stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it
>>> better if I was running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something
>>> but even then, I doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and
>>> trouble shooting weren't paid off by any great new features.
>>>
>>> Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and
>>> while I pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to
>>> my daily routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows
>>> 7 machine.  Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux
>>> (openSUSE) on another system, so much to learn, so little time...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling <
>>> james.decoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no
 problems with SI, Maya or Unity.

 all machines running GTX960/970 cards.

 On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann <
 swoerman...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened
> have sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render
> preview.
> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the
> issue is gone...
>
> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>


>>>
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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Angus Davidson]

I would consider no adobe a plus ;)

On 26 Nov 2015, at 1:43 PM, Cristobal Infante 
mailto:cgc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)

I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER SOLID.

The only pain, no adobe etc...

On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley 
mailto:adammsee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheers Softies,

I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s no 
great gains.

Adam.

On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby mailto:sku...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would do it 
on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've had 
multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were brand new. 
 I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview build) allows 
you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an upgrade to register 
first (if you are doing the free upgrade path, previously you had to 
upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean install), so try that on 
a separate HDD, if it works, great.

If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on anything, it 
doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7 Workstation user and a 
problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee unless you buy like a brand 
new Surface device or something along those lines.

I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom in the 
screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an improvement for a 
pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style key input for touch 
typing.

In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the switch 
because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10 exclusive.

MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design decisions 
(aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive to the new 
"settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control panel items 
are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in one spot, now 
it's in two and in some cases, like power management for laptops, it's split 
accross both, the new settings window but then the old control panel when you 
go into advanced settings).  That's just one example, personally I think it's 
quite a bit of a mess, but it is still use-able.

I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10 that is 
a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of the new 
stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it better if I was 
running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something but even then, I 
doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and trouble shooting 
weren't paid off by any great new features.

Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and while I 
pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to my daily 
routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows 7 machine.  
Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux (openSUSE) on another 
system, so much to learn, so little time...

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling 
mailto:james.decoll...@gmail.com>> wrote:
clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no problems with 
SI, Maya or Unity.

all machines running GTX960/970 cards.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann 
mailto:swoerman...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have 
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue is 
gone...

Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.








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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Cristobal Infante]

That's dissapointing Adam, I thought you wanted to on the EDDDG!!! ;)

I've personally enjoyed using Linux Centos for this last year. SUPER SOLID.

The only pain, no adobe etc...

On 26 November 2015 at 11:30, Adam Seeley  wrote:

> Cheers Softies,
>
> I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s
> no great gains.
>
> Adam.
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby  wrote:
>
>> If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would
>> do it on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've
>> had multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were
>> brand new.  I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview
>> build) allows you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an
>> upgrade to register first (if you are doing the free upgrade path,
>> previously you had to upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean
>> install), so try that on a separate HDD, if it works, great.
>>
>> If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on
>> anything, it doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7
>> Workstation user and a problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee
>> unless you buy like a brand new Surface device or something along those
>> lines.
>>
>> I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom
>> in the screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an
>> improvement for a pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style
>> key input for touch typing.
>>
>> In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the
>> switch because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10
>> exclusive.
>>
>> MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design
>> decisions (aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive
>> to the new "settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control
>> panel items are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in
>> one spot, now it's in two and in some cases, like power management for
>> laptops, it's split accross both, the new settings window but then the old
>> control panel when you go into advanced settings).  That's just one
>> example, personally I think it's quite a bit of a mess, but it is still
>> use-able.
>>
>> I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10
>> that is a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of
>> the new stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it
>> better if I was running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something
>> but even then, I doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and
>> trouble shooting weren't paid off by any great new features.
>>
>> Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and
>> while I pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to
>> my daily routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows
>> 7 machine.  Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux
>> (openSUSE) on another system, so much to learn, so little time...
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling <
>> james.decoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no
>>> problems with SI, Maya or Unity.
>>>
>>> all machines running GTX960/970 cards.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann <
>>> swoerman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened
 have sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render
 preview.
 When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the
 issue is gone...

 Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Adam Seeley]

Cheers Softies,

I'll most definitely hold off for the foreseeable future then if there' s
no great gains.

Adam.

On 26 November 2015 at 10:57, skuby  wrote:

> If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would
> do it on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've
> had multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were
> brand new.  I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview
> build) allows you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an
> upgrade to register first (if you are doing the free upgrade path,
> previously you had to upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean
> install), so try that on a separate HDD, if it works, great.
>
> If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on
> anything, it doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7
> Workstation user and a problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee
> unless you buy like a brand new Surface device or something along those
> lines.
>
> I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom
> in the screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an
> improvement for a pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style
> key input for touch typing.
>
> In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the
> switch because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10
> exclusive.
>
> MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design
> decisions (aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive
> to the new "settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control
> panel items are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in
> one spot, now it's in two and in some cases, like power management for
> laptops, it's split accross both, the new settings window but then the old
> control panel when you go into advanced settings).  That's just one
> example, personally I think it's quite a bit of a mess, but it is still
> use-able.
>
> I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10
> that is a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of
> the new stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it
> better if I was running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something
> but even then, I doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and
> trouble shooting weren't paid off by any great new features.
>
> Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and
> while I pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to
> my daily routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows
> 7 machine.  Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux
> (openSUSE) on another system, so much to learn, so little time...
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling <
> james.decoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no
>> problems with SI, Maya or Unity.
>>
>> all machines running GTX960/970 cards.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann <
>> swoerman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened
>>> have sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render
>>> preview.
>>> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the
>>> issue is gone...
>>>
>>> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[skuby]

If you have very new hardware, it's probably safe to try, though I would do
it on a separate HDD if feasable so that going back is painless.  I've had
multiple issues with W10 on multiple computers but none of them were brand
new.  I heard that the newest release (perhaps it's still a preview build)
allows you to start with a clean install instead of requiring an upgrade to
register first (if you are doing the free upgrade path, previously you had
to upgrade/register first and later you could do a clean install), so try
that on a separate HDD, if it works, great.

If you can wait, I would honestly wait, you aren't missing out on anything,
it doesn't add anything new/great if you are a Windows 7 Workstation user
and a problem-free system with Windows 10 is no guarantee unless you buy
like a brand new Surface device or something along those lines.

I'm running Windows 10 on a convertable laptop that has a built in Wacom in
the screen and nothing in Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 was any sort of an
improvement for a pen/touch system.  They still don't even have SWYPE style
key input for touch typing.

In the future you will likely have no choice but to eventually make the
switch because DX12, as far as I understand it, is going to be a Windows 10
exclusive.

MS management is still sketchy at best, with it's ridiculous design
decisions (aka. now half of the control panel functionalities are exclusive
to the new "settings" window, but the rest of the old but essential control
panel items are still only in control panel, so while it all used to be in
one spot, now it's in two and in some cases, like power management for
laptops, it's split accross both, the new settings window but then the old
control panel when you go into advanced settings).  That's just one
example, personally I think it's quite a bit of a mess, but it is still
use-able.

I can't honestly think of a single (non-minor) feature from Windows 10 that
is a must have over Windows 7 (except for DX12 in the future).  All of the
new stuff doesn't do a single useful thing for me.  I might like it better
if I was running it on a new, top of the line Surface 4 or something but
even then, I doubt it.  It works, fine, but the weeks of head-aches and
trouble shooting weren't paid off by any great new features.

Cortana, Windows Store Apps, etc.., it's all been a major let-down and
while I pop in once and a while to try them, none of it has made it in to
my daily routine.  100% still desktop apps and I use it like it's a Windows
7 machine.  Currently making the slow and painful migration to Linux
(openSUSE) on another system, so much to learn, so little time...

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, James De Colling  wrote:

> clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no problems
> with SI, Maya or Unity.
>
> all machines running GTX960/970 cards.
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann <
> swoerman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have
>> sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
>> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue
>> is gone...
>>
>> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>>
>
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[James De Colling]

clean and upgraded (from 8.1) installs around the office here, no problems
with SI, Maya or Unity.

all machines running GTX960/970 cards.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Stephan Woermann <
swoerman...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have
> sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
> When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue
> is gone...
>
> Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.
>

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Stephan Woermann]

At SI start, i have problems with floating windows. The first opened have
sometimes no buttons and is frameless. Especially with the render preview.
When all floating windows are closed with the help of a script, the issue
is gone...

Latest NVidia driver is used. From SI2013-15.

Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Angus Davidson]

Thanks.

I do know next years student render farm for Octane will be linux based ;)

Windows and its bloody updates (even when turned off)


On 25 Nov 2015, at 5:12 PM, phil harbath 
mailto:phil.harb...@jamination.com>> wrote:

https://www.redshift3d.com/forums/viewthread/5376/




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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[phil harbath]

the problem is documented in the following thread.

https://www.redshift3d.com/forums/viewthread/5376/



From: Angus Davidson 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:11 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

I have an issue that even 60 seconds or so maya will freeze for 2-3 seconds. 
Its frustrating as hell and has only happened since upgrading. Its the only app 
/ game that does it. 

Sigh

On 25 Nov 2015, at 4:42 PM, Adam Seeley  wrote:


  Is there a list of what combinations cause the problems? 
  Is this just for Win 10?

  Questionsquestionsquestions!

  A.

  On 25 November 2015 at 14:34, Phil Harbath  
wrote:

If you use redshift there is a major problem if using a particular mix of 
gpus.


From: Adam Seeley
Sent: ‎11/‎25/‎2015 9:25 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.


Hi Folks, 

How is everyone feeling about Windows 10?

I know some have had problems upgrading a live set-up from  Win 7 and 
things have gone a bit screwy.

How about a clean Win 10 install?

Here's hoping.

Adam.

_
Adam Seeley
Love Vfx Ltd.
www.LoveVfx.co.uk
www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk
www.vimeo.com/adamseeley


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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Angus Davidson]

I have an issue that even 60 seconds or so maya will freeze for 2-3 seconds. 
Its frustrating as hell and has only happened since upgrading. Its the only app 
/ game that does it.

Sigh

On 25 Nov 2015, at 4:42 PM, Adam Seeley 
mailto:adammsee...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a list of what combinations cause the problems?
Is this just for Win 10?

Questionsquestionsquestions!

A.

On 25 November 2015 at 14:34, Phil Harbath 
mailto:phil.harb...@jamination.com>> wrote:
If you use redshift there is a major problem if using a particular mix of gpus.

From: Adam Seeley<mailto:adammsee...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎11/‎25/‎2015 9:25 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

Hi Folks,

How is everyone feeling about Windows 10?

I know some have had problems upgrading a live set-up from  Win 7 and things 
have gone a bit screwy.

How about a clean Win 10 install?

Here's hoping.

Adam.

_
Adam Seeley
Love Vfx Ltd.
www.LoveVfx.co.uk<http://www.lovevfx.co.uk/>
www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk<http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk>
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Re: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Adam Seeley]

Is there a list of what combinations cause the problems?
Is this just for Win 10?

Questionsquestionsquestions!

A.

On 25 November 2015 at 14:34, Phil Harbath 
wrote:

> If you use redshift there is a major problem if using a particular mix of
> gpus.
> --
> From: Adam Seeley 
> Sent: ‎11/‎25/‎2015 9:25 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> How is everyone feeling about Windows 10?
>
> I know some have had problems upgrading a live set-up from  Win 7 and
> things have gone a bit screwy.
>
> How about a clean Win 10 install?
>
> Here's hoping.
>
> Adam.
>
> _
> Adam Seeley
> Love Vfx Ltd.
> www.LoveVfx.co.uk <http://www.lovevfx.co.uk/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk
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>

RE: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Phil Harbath]

If you use redshift there is a major problem if using a particular mix of gpus.

-Original Message-
From: "Adam Seeley" 
Sent: ‎11/‎25/‎2015 9:25 AM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
Subject: Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

Hi Folks,

How is everyone feeling about Windows 10?

I know some have had problems upgrading a live set-up from  Win 7 and
things have gone a bit screwy.

How about a clean Win 10 install?

Here's hoping.

Adam.

_
Adam Seeley
Love Vfx Ltd.
www.LoveVfx.co.uk <http://www.lovevfx.co.uk/>
www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk
www.vimeo.com/adamseeley <https://vimeo.com/adamseeley>

Windows 10 - what's the current verdict.

[Adam Seeley]

Hi Folks,

How is everyone feeling about Windows 10?

I know some have had problems upgrading a live set-up from  Win 7 and
things have gone a bit screwy.

How about a clean Win 10 install?

Here's hoping.

Adam.

_
Adam Seeley
Love Vfx Ltd.
www.LoveVfx.co.uk 
www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk
www.vimeo.com/adamseeley