Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread PasTim

philippe_44 wrote: 
> Hi Tim - I've not gone through the whole post in details, but is there
> some specific goal you have ? I can work on making sq2u adaptation for
> you if you want toHi philippe.  No, not really.  I started looking for a 
> current version
of squeezelite (to make sure I could get one when googlecode goes away)
and was just trying this out at the same time.  After a while I reckoned
that C-3PO would only work with upsampling for squeezelite (but am still
not sure why it wouldn't work with sq2u if upsampling to flac - if that
works).  I then got into a muddle I never really got out of, and decided
that unless sq2u was fully compatible the exercise was mostly not worth
my while since most of my listening is through sq2u (for which still
many thanks).  If sq2u and C-3PO were compatible, then I might use it to
upsample tracks as wav 24/192000 to my M1 CLiC renderer   Of course it's
possible that wouldn't work due to some renderer limitation but I
believe it should (one never knows.).

Having said that, I can't suggest it's worth your effort just for me to
play around with, unless others want something like it as well (putting
the processing load on the server, although increasing the network load
on the renderer).  I'm also somewhat concerned that I might get other
issues using C-3PO.  It seems to disable several transcodings, which
could give me other problems.  For instance, my M1 CLiC isn't very happy
with aac, so I transcode that to flac (for use with the BBC iPlayer).



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread PasTim

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Sure is my fault with english, but this is what we have:
> 
> GENERAL SETTINGS:
> 
> Resaple when: "Always"
> Resample to "max"
> 
> PLAYER SETTINGS:
> 
> PLAYER A:
> 
> SAMPE RATES: 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000
> 
> Enable Resample (FLAC) NO
> Enable Decode (FLAC) NO
> 
> is exactly the same as setting "Resample when" at Never for that player
> AND FLAC, you are STILL using general setting, BUT not upsampling nor
> decoding for that player when input format is FLAC.
> 
Is 'Enable Resampling' TO the selected (possibly transcoded) output
formats or FROM the original formats?  I assumed that it was FROM the
selected formats since further down you can select the single output
(TO) format. Enable Transcoding specifically says for the output format,
which seems to duplicate the setting below, which confuses me.  There's
only one output format isn't there?  I think it's obvious to me that
I've failed to understand what you are trying to achieve and why the
various parameters are as they are.  

> As said before, I'havent had time to better check why settings are
> broken for you, i suspect is related to the mac address, could you check
> please if every player has its own mac address different than
> 00:00:00:00:00...?The MAC addresses are different for all.  I did experiment 
> briefly, just
now, with editing the prefs directly (as an experiment) and on doing so
the changes did remain as I set that way.  It was the only way I could
get the settings to be under my control, but I know that's not a
sensible thing to do and won't do so in future.

I really must let this rest now, at least for a while.  If it makes
sense to use it with squeeze2upnp in future I'll come back to it, but
until then it doesn't really serve a purpose for me as far as I can see,
and has got me confused and not a little frustrated at myself for being
that way.  Again - apologies.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread marcoc1712

PasTim wrote: 
> I don't know if there's a language problem or I am being really stupid,
> but I really do not understand.  Sorry.  If I could get C-3PO settings
> that work on each device (which seems unlikely now) I will need
> player-specific settings, so surely I can't tick the 'use general
> settings'?  If I set 'resample' in the general setting and nothing in
> player-specific then surely it means resample for all players, which
> won't work for me. 
> 
> It may well apply to all the settings - I haven't tested them all. 
> Where are they stored?  I could try editing in place.

Sure is my fault with english, but this is what we have:

GENERAL SETTINGS:

Resaple when: "Always"
Resample to "max"

PLAYER SETTINGS:

PLAYER A:

SAMPE RATES: 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000

Enable Resample (FLAC) NO
Enable Decode (FLAC) NO

is exactly the same as setting "Resample when" at Never for that player
AND FLAC, you are STILL using general setting, BUT not upsampling nor
decoding for that player when input format is FLAC.

PLAYER B:

SAMPE RATES: 44100, 48000

Enable Resample (FLAC) YES
Enable Decode (FLAC) YES

Think is clear.


If, instead, you need to , say, use Ditering for player A and not for
all the others, you need to set 

GENERAL SETTINGS:

...

Dithering NO.

PLAYER A:

Use general settings NO

SHOW ->

Use dithering YES

APPLY


FOR ALL OTHER PLAYERS:

Use general settings YES.

In Your scenario You don't need to change the resampling parameters, but
just enable or disable resampling and decoding and this could and should
be done using specific per codec settings for every player. 

Settings are stored in C-3PO.prefs in the .../preference/plugins folder
(see info in settings) as c3po.pref I suggest you not to edi the file
directly.

As said before, I'havent had time to better check why settings are
broken for you, i suspect is related to the mac address, could you check
please if every player has its own mac address different than
00:00:00:00:00...?




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread marcoc1712

PasTim wrote: 
> I've tried again, same result.  If I set the Global settings to avoid
> any transcoding/resampling then I can (finally) get squeeze2upnp to
> work, but I can't get squeezelite-R2 to work with that Global Setting .

That's correct.

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> and the player-specific settings simply don't seems to ever stay as I
> set them.  As soon as I Apply, they go back to what they were.  There
> must be some sort of issue there.

All the players has its own different mac address correct? The key for
settings is the player id (mac address).

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> You might want to notice that squeeze2upnp reports itself as being
> squeezelite (this was to support ickStream if I remember correctly) so
> C-3PO might be getting confused by having both compliant (R2) and
> non-compliant players.

No, it should not, it should instead give you a warning  if you choose
to resample and decode to pcm, as only squeezelite is (was) capable to
handle this situation, 

This afternoon I had a problem and I'll have no time to check this
untill tomorrow. Let me try to simulate your scenario and see what's
happening.




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Compilation tag field: minor bug?

2016-03-09 Thread DJanGo

Hi Rainer,

there are a few "specials" with the rescan...

Samplers: There is only a one way from nonsampler to sampler that lms
checks.
The other way from a sampler to a non sampler is not really detected.

The rescan for changes works like:
"is the filestamp from the files other than the filestamp in the
database - if not do nothing if yes rescan these files.
If you changed an Artist or the Albumname or any tag that is clickable
in the Webgui all these changes would be done but the "old" Info isnt
deleted from the db.

IMHO to change that all these queries must do another query " i am the
only one ? and if yes remove me" 
And this would "cost" a lot more time or there is another reason for
that. Even the 2006 slimserver did it (like i discribe it)- so i think
there must be a reason for this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Compilation tag field: minor bug?

2016-03-09 Thread rbruemmer

Hi Jan,

thanks for your information.
I chose "Rescan media library -> Look for new and changed media files"
and my understanding is: new and changed media files/ metadata should be
added/changed in the database. But maybe you are right and it is not a
bug but a feature.

Rainer



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS stops streaming internet radio after 30 minutes

2016-03-09 Thread Witke

castalla wrote: 
> Might be useful information to give:
> 
> old router model
> 
> new router model

It wasn't problem with router. It was my ISP wrong server configuration
and finally everything works fine.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Compilation tag field: minor bug?

2016-03-09 Thread DJanGo

rbruemmer wrote: 
> Cleaning up my audio files ...
> I have to delete the database and run a new full scan to fix the
> problem.
> 
> 
> Rainer

Hi,

I dont know if thats a bug or a feature (for speeding up) rescan.

You always had to do a clear & rescan - when you change or delete files
and want the old data removed from the db.
Othwerwise a rescan would check all tags and needs the same amount of
time that a clear and rescan also need.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread philippe_44

Just a note: squeeze2upnp assumes that when receiving 'pcm' data, they
are in the default LMS mode, i.e. no header. If a transcoding rule
forces a wav or aiff header to be added, then it will fail.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread PasTim

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> In the scenario I figured out from your indications you don't need
> specific player settings other than supported sample rates and choice to
> resample or decode.
> 
> If this is the case, the values in general settings are valid for all
> the players and you don't need to change them, checking the "use general
> settings" box is an helper function that means exactly this.
> 
> Is like to normally have one single address for all the family but name
> and age for each member. If and when one of them moves to another
> location, you could specify a new address for him, but all the others
> still share the same old one. Just aasier than ask you to fill the
> address for each member.
I don't know if there's a language problem or I am being really stupid,
but I really do not understand.  Sorry.  If I could get C-3PO settings
that work on each device (which seems unlikely now) I will need
player-specific settings, so surely I can't tick the 'use general
settings'?  If I set 'resample' in the general setting and nothing in
player-specific then surely it means resample for all players, which
won't work for me. 

> Sorry, I did not realize you mentioned those specifically,  so "Resample
> when" and" Quality" are the broken settings. Symptoms are you could
> change them once, but not anymore, or better, they always come back to
> the old value after applying. Is that correct?
> 
> Is not like this in my installation, but I'll have a better look at
> this. Thanks for your help.
It may well apply to all the settings - I haven't tested them all. 
Where are they stored?  I could try editing in place.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread ralphy

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> By the way, are You still using  "squeezelite" both for model name and
> model type? I use "squeezelite-R2" in model name just to inform the
> server (C-3PO) that the player is enabled to receive upsampled pcm
> streams, just to avoid errors, but sure I could change, just let me know
> what to test to identify your versions (I think 1.8.3 is not enought,
> you never know if other branches use the same version code, that's why I
> introduced R2 identifier as Daphile use "daphile").
If the current builds works as you intended then checking for 1.8.3 in
the squeezelite firmware version should be enough.

The 1.8.3 version change was specifically for the -W option.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread marcoc1712

philippe_44 wrote: 
> I think it is, let me try - you create systematically transcoding rules
> where, contrary to the build-in ones, you do not ask the transcoder to
> output raw PCM (eg the -p option -I think- of flac), you ask it to
> output wav or aif (which are PCM with a header) and LMS bravely output
> the transcoded result as a blob so you end up in a stream with a wav/aif
> header that you decode at the other end, but you need a compatible
> player. This is a clever trick but my bridges (upnp, chromecast,
> AirPlay) use a very heavily modified version of squeezelite that expects
> PCM as raw, hence I guess the confusion with PasTim

Yep, I supposed was like that. But this is not me, is LMS. 

Without C-3PO you should define same rules in custom-convert.conf
obtaining same result, then still needing a modfied version of
squeezelite.

Is not clear to me what are you referring with "the -p option -I think-
of flac", if you are referring to flac.exe transcoding command, I use
something equivalent to:

flc pcm squeezelite *   
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ |[sox] -q -t wav - -t wav -r 192000
-c 2 -3 -s -L - gain -3 rate -v


where SOX upsampling parameters hare there if you ask to upsample,
othervise the pipe end just before, with FLAC decoding to WAV (I use
flac in this case becouse seek capaility is required, if not, I'll use
just SOX).

Is still not clear to meif,  how and where you upsample.

To bad your bridges needs raw pcm, this way they could not receive
server side upsampled and decoded streams. Those little devices have too
low horse power for heavy upsampling but far enought to just receiveplay
back  hi res streams. Squeezelite-R2 is aimed to power this kind of
devices and let use them in high quality systems instead of noisy, power
hungry  big computers.

Maybe we could work on this, please ask if you'd like to.




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread PasTim

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Don't worry, you are welcome, but let me abuse a little more of yor
> patient:
> 
> We have General settings and Player Specific Settings in different
> pages.
> 
> For each player you could decide to use the general settings (normal
> situation, as I was asking You to do) OR enable the capability to change
> same settings that you have in 'general' but for the specific player.
> This is done by unchecking the "use general settings" box. This is
> normally not necessary, and it was not in my advice in the last post.
> 
> 
> When you state: " I have a problem in that when I change several of the
> player-specific settings, and apply, next time I look at the settings
> they have reverted to what they were before." wich specific setting are
> you referring? 
> 
> Seems like a big bug, but I can't replicate it, could you please name
> one specific setting that's broken that way?
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> If you have squeezelite and LMS on the same machine, best is to use
> "Local player plugin" and nothing more.
> 
> Regards, Marco.
I really don't understand.  I have different players with different
needs, so I do not see how I can use the General Settings.  Currently I
can't even get squeeze2upnp to work at all with C-3PO so need to try to
set player-specific settings.  But they don't work either.

I did mention two parameters that did not work before, but I'll do so
again.  With squeezelite-R2 (still started with -u because I can't use
C-3PO other than to check a few things for you and I don't want to have
to chop and change that setting every time), I proceed as follows.  I go
to the player, make sure 'use global' is not ticked.  I press
'show/hide' (I often have to do this twice to see the settings).  I
select the Resample box and change the setting to, say ' Always' from
'Only when samplerate is not supported'.  I save.  The player settings
disappear so I have to press show/hide again (twice).  The settings I
change has not taken effect.  The same is true of Quality.  I always get
'High' whatever I change it to.  The 'Use Global' is still not ticked
(and in fact the general settings are different from this).



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread philippe_44

I think it is, let me try - you create systematically transcoding rules
where, contrary to the build-in ones, you do not ask the transcoder to
output raw PCM (eg the -p option -I think- of flac), you ask it to
output wav or aif (which are PCM with a header) and LMS bravely output
the transcoded result as a blob so you end up in a stream with a wav/aif
header that you decode at the other end, but you need a compatible
player. This is a clever trick but my bridges (upnp, chromecast,
AirPlay) use a very heavily modified version of squeezelite that expects
PCM as raw, hence I guess the confusion with PasTim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

2016-03-09 Thread marcoc1712

philippe_44 wrote: 
> Did you change a protocol handler to do that ? Because, by default, when
> the $formatbyte in the strm message is 'p', LMS sends raw PCM with no
> header of any kind - just a blob of bytes. The SlimProto header of strm
> contains information about sample size, rate, endianness so that the
> player knows. One bug, as we discussed before, is that on transcoded
> live streams, LMS sets rate and size @ 44.1/16 regardless and that does
> not work very well :(

Nope, LMS is untouched.

You are right, but only  when talking about 'native' (?)  raw PCM.

When transcoding, in case of pcm output (and wav is handled exactly as
pcm) LMS  try to look at the track/original file for sample rate to be
sent to players via strm message, using 44100 as default value if not
found (i.e. in case or remote streams), no matter if a resample took
place. 

Here is the bug:  

a. the transcoding command is a 'black box', LMS just know the incoming
(track, stream or file) and the outcoming (stream), no others. Somehow
correct.

b. When the outcoming stream is (raw) PCM  it has no header, then we
could not inspect it. As a  fault back we get sample rate from incoming
(or use default 44100/16 L). Debatable,  I'll preffer at least
upsampling where disabled  when output is (raw) pcm.

c. WAV is PCM, so we could not inspect the wav header  to get sample
rate. That's WRONG and here is the confusion, WAV is PCM, but is not RAW
PCM.

Not brave enought to engage a fight to change this in LMS, where it
should be, but fortunally LMS streams the result of the transcoding
command as is, with header if wav,  still using 'p' as format in the
strm message, then the workaround is to always 'transcode'  to WAV or
AIFF i(i.e. with C-3PO) and let player inspect the header.

But, accordingly to slimproto, when the format is 'p' there should be no
header in the stream (WRONG ASSUMPTION, see point c) then all the
players but Squeezelite-R2  (and from now on ralphy versions used with
-W option) trust strm message about sample rate and forget the header,
resulting they could not play server side upsampled wav (or aiff)
streams.

Hope is clearer.




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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Compilation tag field: minor bug?

2016-03-09 Thread rbruemmer

Cleaning up my audio files regarding the compilation tag field I might
have found a minor bug.
Deleting existing entries in all tracks of a disc lead to the following
result (after having updated the Database):
- track 1 still in the list of compilations (should not be the case!!)
- tracks 2-n no longer in the list of compilations (OK).

I have to delete the database and run a new full scan to fix the
problem.


Rainer



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Scanning doesn't appear to be running

2016-03-09 Thread POGOV4

...same error after changing fstab :(



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Scanning doesn't appear to be running

2016-03-09 Thread POGOV4

DJanGo wrote: 
> What behavior?
> Is the webfrontend running?
> Can you use the browse mediafolder?
> 
> IMHO we had to look here:
> 
> 
> 
> your fstab should be altered like:~ (backup the old fstab!)
> > 
Code:

  >   > //servername/sharename  /media/windowsshare  cifs  
username=msusername,password=mspassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 
0,file_mode=0770,dir_mode=0770

> > 
> 
> and /media/windowsshare must be readable by the User squeezeboxserver
> or a group where you and squeezeboxserver are members.

The web front look fine. I can nevigate into the media folders with the
browse button in the basic settings tab. On the same page it shows
"Scanning - View Progress". It doesn't generate a scanner.log and server
log has the same error which complained about
/usr/share/perl5/Slim/Music/Import.pm line 176

I'll try to edit fstab like you mentioned, but I copied some media files
to the local SD card and had the same issue

Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Scanning doesn't appear to be running

2016-03-09 Thread DJanGo

POGOV4 wrote: 
> I uninstalled and reinstalled LMS and it's the same result...
> 
> I also tried 7.8.1 and it has the exact same behavior :(

What behavior?
Is the webfrontend running?
Can you use the browse mediafolder?

IMHO we had to look here:

POGOV4 wrote: 
> The music files are on a windows share, I have "//servername/sharename 
> /media/windowsshare  cifs 
> username=msusername,password=mspassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm  0  0"
> in /etc/fstab and *I* have no problem seeing the folders and files from
> the pogoplug.
> 
> Any suggest would be appreciated. Thank you.

your fstab should be altered like:~ (backup the old fstab!)

Code:

//servername/sharename  /media/windowsshare  cifs  
username=msusername,password=mspassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 
0,file_mode=0770,dir_mode=0770



and /media/windowsshare must be readable by the User squeezeboxserver or
a group where you and squeezeboxserver are members.



Gruss
Jan

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