Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
I'm running six: three SBRs, a Boom and two RPis, one of which is a block away, connected via wireless ethernet bridge. 99% of time, sync is excellent between the five units in the house. dk dkfackler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
2.4 range is better than 5Ghz, so it all depends on the environment. edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Mnyb wrote: > The old SB3 can only use 2,4gHz g network the new N and AC stuff does > not apply . > > I have an SB radio with the same limitation i keep a separate 2,4 GHz > net for that one , it's currently My only wifi player My phone iPad and > friends phone uses My 5ghz net . Hadn't considered that aspect... I have the 2.5gHz turned off the the moment so I'll re-enable it. That would have been an embarrassing 'why won't my SB3 work' thread :-) s2kiwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
s2kiwi wrote: > One of the advantages of living in New Zealand - I can't see any > neighbors WiFi networks. In saying that, I wonder if I'd be best to set > up a 2nd WiFi network in the house dedicated to the squeezebox network > (easy enough to do)? > My one concern is one lower quality DAC which won't natively support > higher quality streams, but i figure that's easy to test by dropping it > in and out of the sync'd stream and I'll replace it if needed. > > Thanks for all the help guys - New to the forum I'm impressed with the > number of quick and helpful replies! The old SB3 can only use 2,4gHz g network the new N and AC stuff does not apply . I have an SB radio with the same limitation i keep a separate 2,4 GHz net for that one , it's currently My only wifi player My phone iPad and friends phone uses My 5ghz net . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
edwin2006 wrote: > Here running 7 devices no problem. Lms on windows, 2009 pc. Cliënt mix > of radio, boom, Android on wifi and 2 pi with cable and 1 SB2 also via > cable Awesome - thanks! I'll keep pressing on on my plans. Now I just have to wait for the remaining parts to arrive (and for my wife to go out one day so I can cut 6 more speaker holes in the ceiling). s2kiwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Here running 7 devices no problem. Lms on windows, 2009 pc. Cliënt mix of radio, boom, Android on wifi and 2 pi with cable and 1 SB2 edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
. . The main issues are always going to be available Network Bandwidth and how much muscle one's Server has. Then add if there is interference from other WiFi Networks using the same channel if one is trying to use only WiFi connected Squeezeboxen! Lastly, if the players can't transcode the source file natively, then that is additional strain on the Server. I have had 21 players sync'd at one time with more then half on Ethernet and all of them actual Slim Devices (one side note, players need to be SB3/Classics or newer). Playing one source file seems like not such a big deal if the Server and bandwidth are available and transcoding is not needed. One needs a powerful server if wanting to Sync eight to ten players while having several others players running different playlists. Everyone's setup is different as are most Servers, the biggest hurdle seems to be running a "clean interference free" WiFi network, so YMMV! *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Old results (50?) should still be valid http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?74835-Maximum-of-slim-devices bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
I've synced up to 7. I think there used to be a limit of 12 or so but I think that's no longer the case. One thing that is important with so many players is that they are similar. Different device types have different timing behavior and that can cause a lot of sync corrections which with this number of players can have an impact on sound. But it think with similar RPis you are somewhat safe. But if you then add PCs or Android devices or iOS devices to the mix it could get worse. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
s2kiwi wrote: > If I was to run into problems could I pair them independently to double > the bandwidth, i.e. a 2x2 layout with 2 source adapters on my main > switch running to a single end point each.. I suspect that as they're using the same carrier frequency you will find that two identical pairs of power line adapters performs just as badly as one mesh of four. Not that I've tried this. I would always vote for a Linux setup - it's likely to be long term more stable and supportable as it's what the LMS community seems to have moved towards. But you don't really need a lot of horsepower unless you are doing heavyweight transcoding. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
I think more than 9 player has been done before . But you have to have a capable setup whataever that turns out to be :) There is no protocoll or built in limit in LMS Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
drmatt wrote: > Plenty of grunt there then. Based on that reply I'm wondering "Do I even need to switch away from the windows setup then"? drmatt wrote: > Note that power line adapters form a virtual HUB not a switch so the > quoted bandwidth is aggregate and is shared between endpoints. Thanks! I didn't realise that and it may explain some odd LMS behavour when my NAS has also been running hard. If I was to run into problems could I pare them independently to double band width, i.e. a 2x2 layout with 2 source adapters on my main hub running to a single end point each. Or do they still compete on frequency/bandwidth in some way. I really appreciate the help on this! I've been a long time user of LMS but always just pottered with 2 or 3 end points, so this is my first major setup. s2kiwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Plenty of grunt there then. Note that power line adapters form a virtual HUB not a switch so the quoted bandwidth is aggregate and is shared between endpoints. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Actually I've just had a count up and I'm already happily running 4 players at the moment on 'phase 1' of my implementation. All are on wifi and they are keeping sync really well. I have 3 others set up but haven't tested all together in sync as I'm still waiting on DAC's/AMP's/Relays to arrive. I'll ultimately switch some over to wired as needed if that turns out to be problematic (I have a bunch of powerline network extenders which I can use around the 3 parts of the house). s2kiwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
I've successfully run four devices synced over WiFi. The biggest issue is going to be bandwidth and CPU power, so this will depend on your chosen source. If it's 320kb MP3 and all the players can play it natively (which is the case for Pi's) then you probably won't have any problems. I wouldn't expect them to be in perfect audio sync though. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Avoid wifi and you very likely to suceed . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How many sync'd players are realistc?
Hi all, I'm slowly building up a new squeeze implementation for our new house (ok, we've been in it 2 years, but it'll still be considered new until I get the music sorted). But I have a burning question: How many separate synchronised players will realistically work together? Ideally I have 9 zones in the house, so that would be 9 players. Most of the time they'll be playing the same so will need to stay synchronised. Does anyone know if that is feasible or will I need to cut down the players by having multiple zones on each player? The hardware I'm planning to run is largely Raspberry Pi's, each running two instances of squeezelite with 2 DAC's per Pi (one I2S DAC and one USB DAC on each). In case it matters, quality needs to be "good" but not "audiophile" under this config. If I'm in the main listening room I'll turn off all other zones to avoid having to worry about syncing. Any thoughts from anyone? Anyone else running high numbers of zones? s2kiwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107503 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
