Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-11-02 Thread Julf

hermetic wrote: 
> Definately louder, but still I find the stereo perspective more tidy,
> and I find myself being able to tell instruments apart more easily (e.g.
> Daft Punks Giorgio by Moroder at about 8 mins). I do prefer what I find
> to be a less aggressive sound. What the Bluesound misses is a bit of
> crisp air surrounding the vocal on acoustic arrangements. 
> 
> I run the signal through MF M1-HPA and M1-PWR monoblocks to Tannoy
> Precision 6.4. I pick up the sound with well used non-linear ears, and
> am fine with disagreeing on the matter and choice of words in my last
> mail :-)

Happy to disagree on the matter, but have to point out that a minor
level difference could explain all your observations.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-11-01 Thread hermetic

Julf wrote: 
> Superior, or just slightly louder?

Definately louder, but still I find the stereo perspective more tidy,
and I find myself being able to tell instruments apart more easily (e.g.
Daft Punks Giorgio by Moroder at about 8 mins). I do prefer what I find
to be a less aggressive sound. What the Bluesound misses is a bit of
crisp air surrounding the vocal on acoustic arrangements. 

I run the signal through MF M1-HPA and M1-PWR monoblocks to Tannoy
Precision 6.4. I pick up the sound with well used non-linear ears, and
am fine with disagreeing on the matter and choice of words in my last
mail :-)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-11-01 Thread Julf

hermetic wrote: 
> BTW - I did check out Bluesound Node2 in the meantime. I could find
> myself having a hard time going back to the Touch. In my ears the
> analogue out from the Node2 is superior to the Touch.

Superior, or just slightly louder?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-29 Thread hermetic

mherger wrote: 
> In case you are connecting to mysb.com directly: please test again.
> Thanks!

Is indeed connecting to mysb.com directly. Tested: Result OK - *I am now
receiving FLAC from Tidal*.

BTW - I did check out Bluesound Node2 in the meantime. I could find
myself having a hard time going back to the Touch. In my ears the
analogue out from the Node2 is superior to the Touch.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-23 Thread mherger

mherger wrote: 
> >> There's a menu in the Tidal app on your device which lets you choose
> the
> >> quality.
> > 
> > I forgot to mention the obvoius ;-)
> > 
> > Unfortunately that doesn't change to flac-files for me.
> 
> What LMS version are you running? What exact build (see 
> Settings/Information in the web UI)?

In case you are connecting to mysb.com directly: please test again.
Thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-23 Thread Michael Herger

There's a menu in the Tidal app on your device which lets you choose the
quality.


I forgot to mention the obvoius ;-)

Unfortunately that doesn't change to flac-files for me.


What LMS version are you running? What exact build (see 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-22 Thread hermetic

mherger wrote: 
> > 
> 
> There's a menu in the Tidal app on your device which lets you choose the
> 
> quality.
> 
> 

I forgot to mention the obvoius ;-) 

Unfortunately that doesn't change to flac-files for me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-22 Thread Michael Herger

Had to disconnect the player from mysb.com Oct 18, and upon reconnecting
I've not been able to get FLACs. Everything comes in 256 mp3. Have tried
"everything"; factory reset on the player side, disabling and setting up
the Tidal-app again on mysb.com  etc. Subscrition on Tidal is still
HiFi.


There's a menu in the Tidal app on your device which lets you choose the 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-22 Thread hermetic

I've had a set-up with SBT streaming FLAC from Tidal via the official
app, for as long as it's been around. Connected to mysb.com from the
Touch. It's been a perfect match. 

Had to disconnect the player from mysb.com Oct 18, and upon reconnecting
I've not been able to get FLACs. Everything comes in 256 mp3. Have tried
"everything"; factory reset on the player side, disabling and setting up
the Tidal-app again on mysb.com  etc. Subscrition on Tidal is still
HiFi.  

EVERYTHING CONNECTS FINE, BUT ONLY ALLOWS MP3S TO GET THROUGH. ANY IDEA
WHERE TO LOOK?

Tempting to move on to something else for MQA, which DO make a
difference on my system, but would still love to keep up with the
Touch...



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-19 Thread tonyd

I have tested with a different LMS instance, same MSB and Tidal
accounts, on a different Antipodes server and it works OK, sets the FLAC
option and plays FLAC OK. I have asked Sailor Boy to test in his
system.

Many thanks for your work on this Michael!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-19 Thread Michael Herger

I just run a few tests here, and I haven't had any problem switching
back and forth between mp3 and flac.


Ok, I think I've found the source of the problem: your LMS' user agent 
token was triggering the mis-behaviour. I've applied a change which 
should fix this. Could you please give it another try?


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-17 Thread mherger

tonyd/sailorboy - as both of you are using the same kind of streamer,
could you please try to use another LMS instance for a test? Just set up
LMS on your computer, configure it to use your mysb.com account, connect
your device to it and try to play Tidal content. Would it fail to play
flac, too? You're not using locally stored playlists, are you?

I just run a few tests here, and I haven't had any problem switching
back and forth between mp3 and flac.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-15 Thread Michael Herger

I tested this again today, and no change to the situation with the Tidal
plugin still playing MP3s.
Is there any progress on the diagnosis of what could be causing this
issue?

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-10-09 Thread Sailorboy

I tested this again today, and no change to the situation with the Tidal
plugin still playing MP3s.
Is there any progress on the diagnosis of what could be causing this
issue?

Cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-29 Thread tonyd

mherger wrote: 
> > The LMS we currently use is Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.1 -
> > 0.4.20170705git1498799744 @ Tue Aug 1 23:55:02 EDT 2017.This is
> included
> > in our build software. I can contact the person who supplies this if
> it
> > would help.
> 
> As this is not an official build number, how do you install LMS? Do you
> 
> apply any customization?
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Michael

PM sent.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-25 Thread Michael Herger

The LMS we currently use is Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.1 -
0.4.20170705git1498799744 @ Tue Aug 1 23:55:02 EDT 2017.This is included
in our build software. I can contact the person who supplies this if it
would help.


As this is not an official build number, how do you install LMS? Do you 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-24 Thread tonyd

mherger wrote: 
> Sailorboy, tonyd,
> 
> can you tell me what you're running your LMS on? How did you upgrade?
> What version?
> 
> You're not the same person, are you? There's an interesting level of
> similarities to your profiles...

Hi Michael,

Ha, we are not the same person. I am the support person for Antipodes
Audio servers, and Sailor Boy originally contacted me through our
support email. I did not initially make the connection when I found this
thread. 

You can regard us as the same person however. I have access to logs etc
by logging into the Linux server that drives the apps whereas he
doesn't. Also I have been able to reproduce his problem as previously
described.

The LMS we currently use is Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.1 -
0.4.20170705git1498799744 @ Tue Aug 1 23:55:02 EDT 2017.This is included
in our build software. I can contact the person who supplies this if it
would help.

Regards,

Tony



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-24 Thread mherger

Sailorboy, tonyd,

can you tell me what you're running your LMS on? How did you upgrade?
What version?

You're not the same person, are you? There's an interesting level of
similarities to your profiles...



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-20 Thread tonyd

No problem, I trust you :).



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-20 Thread Michael Herger

Thanks, PM sent.
Thanks, saw it. You sent more information than I would have needed :-). 
I'll try to look into this issue asap.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-20 Thread Sailorboy

I am just confirming that I also still have exactly the same issue, all
Tidal music for my HIFI subscription playing as MP3!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-19 Thread tonyd

mherger wrote: 
> The format choosing logic is implemented on mysb.com. When you request
> an item with playable tracks it would look up your preference and your
> account information to see whether you were allowed/wanting to play
> losslessly. Then the track would be sent back with the .flac extension,
> telling LMS this was lossless, rather than lossy. Maybe you can PM me
> your mysb.com and TIDAL account names, and I can investigate further?
> 
> Just one more thing: you don't try to play a playlist you've stored
> locally in your LMS? That would have been stored with whatever extension
> was correct at the time, eg. .mp3. And it would stay that way. Please
> only test with content coming from the servers directly (albums,
> playlists provided by the service etc.)

Thanks, PM sent.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-18 Thread Michael Herger

I have been looking into this issue for a customer who uses an Antipodes
Audio server running LMS 7.9.1 on Linux Fedora 24. The Tidal plugin on
my Antipodes server played Tidal HiFi tracks as expected, showing as
'1414kbps VBR, flc'. However I then clicked the 'My Apps/Tidal/Streaming
Quality/MP3' option (as opposed to 'FLAC or MP3'). At that point Tidal
FLAC tracks started to show as '256k CBR, MP3'.

Now I cannot get back to FLAC! Clicking on the 'FLAC or MP3' option
makes no difference,


Is this still an issue? There could be some caching be involved, 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-16 Thread tonyd

mherger wrote: 
> It's the last menu item:
> 
> 23651

I have been looking into this issue for a customer who uses an Antipodes
Audio server running LMS 7.9.1 on Linux Fedora 24. The Tidal plugin on
my Antipodes server played Tidal HiFi tracks as expected, showing as
'1414kbps VBR, flc'. However I then clicked the 'My Apps/Tidal/Streaming
Quality/MP3' option (as opposed to 'FLAC or MP3'). At that point Tidal
FLAC tracks started to show as '256k CBR, MP3'. 

Now I cannot get back to FLAC! Clicking on the 'FLAC or MP3' option
makes no difference, 

I have hunted around inside the server, in logs and config files, for a
Setting flag for the 'Streaming Quality' property but without success. I
have also run some logging options but none of those that I have
selected give any useful information about why Tidal HiFi is now being
streamed as MP3.

I'm happy to carry out any tests you could suggest.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-13 Thread Sailorboy

mherger wrote: 
> It's the last menu item:
> 
> 23651

Ahh, thats in the myapps bit.  Yes, I have never set it to MP3 only, but
I have selected the FLAC/MP3 option to make sure that it was set that
way, assuming that would be the only way to ensure I got FLAC.
Hopefully that makes sense.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-13 Thread mherger

It's the last menu item:

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-13 Thread Sailorboy

mherger wrote: 
> Did you _ever_ disable flac streaming in the TIDAL settings on
> mysb.com?
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Hi Michael, I am not aware of any setting in mysb.com where you can
disable flac streaming?  I just had another look, and I cant see any
setting like that?
Are you able to show a screen-shot of where that is?
Cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-12 Thread Michael Herger

Did you _ever_ disable flac streaming in the TIDAL settings on mysb.com?
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-12 Thread Sailorboy

Sailorboy wrote: 
> I have recently upgraded to LMS 7.9.1 and I also have this problem with
> the Logitech Tidal plugin.  It is only streaming mp3 for albums and
> tracks that I know are FLAC files (I have played them before as FLAC in
> LMS 7.8)
> I have had a HIFI subscription for a year now.
> I have set the quality to FLAC / MP3 in the tidal plugin and have LMS
> set to "Unlimited".
> 
> Not sure what else to do, can anyone offer any suggestions?

>From the logs I can see the following, which I assume means that the
plugin is requesting MP3 files.  So do we have a disconnect between the
plugin and the Tidal account type?:
17-09-13 15:41:30.3105] Slim::Plugin::WiMP::ProtocolHandler::_getTrack
(179) Getting next track playback info from SN for wimp://63019212.mp3
[17-09-13 15:45:46.5806] Slim::Plugin::WiMP::ProtocolHandler::_getTrack
(179) Getting next track playback info from SN for wimp://63019213.mp3
[17-09-13 15:50:44.9627] Slim::Plugin::WiMP::ProtocolHandler::_getTrack
(179) Getting next track playback info from SN for wimp://63019214.mp3
[17-09-13 15:55:41.4473] Slim::Plugin::WiMP::ProtocolHandler::_getTrack
(179) Getting next track playback info from SN for wimp://63019215.mp3



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-09-12 Thread Sailorboy

gregor wrote: 
> Dang! I never knew that track info was availableso it does seem to
> be streaming in FLAC after all.   
> 
> I'm going to spend some time in the Squeezepad forum and website to see
> what ELSE it will do!
> 
> Thanks Michael!
> 
> gregor

I have recently upgraded to LMS 7.9.1 and I also have this problem with
the Logitech Tidal plugin.  It is only streaming mp3 for albums and
tracks that I know are FLAC files (I have played them before as FLAC in
LMS 7.8)
I have had a HIFI subscription for a year now.
I have set the quality to FLAC / MP3 in the tidal plugin and have LMS
set to "Unlimited".

Not sure what else to do, can anyone offer any suggestions?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Herger

To your point, I'm not for sure that it's NOT FLAC.  I'll have to get
iPeng and try it out to see what it says.


No need for iPeng: just bring up the track information menu from the Now 
Playing screen (the title bar on the Touch or similar).


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-04-05 Thread gregor

Good points.  
When I log in to the TIDAL site or use their app, it definitely says
HiFi user, and does stream FLAC. I just don't know at that point (or
how) LMS uses my login info, although it must.
It SHOULD come up FLAC, but when I first signed up to TIDAL, I
didn't sign up for HiFi level, but upgraded after a few days.  So, if
LMS is somehow caching that info somewhere within the bowels of the
program, it might not see the HiFi level membership.
To your point, I'm not for sure that it's NOT FLAC.  I'll have to get
iPeng and try it out to see what it says.

thanks for responding!

gregor



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-04-05 Thread usc95

Are you sure you aren't getting the FLAC stream?  I believe that
statement is just a disclaimer just in case you do not have a HIFI
subscription but were expecting FLAC.   I use the Ipeng app and it
reports I am streaming the FLAC version of Spoon's album Hot Thoughts
even though I also see that same statement when I open the Tidal plugin.
I also know that even for HIFI subscribers there are numerous albums
where Tidal only has the MP3 to stream.



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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] TIDAL connection thru LMS only streams at MP3 quality

2017-04-05 Thread gregor

Hello:
After much tinkering, I got TIDAL running on LMS, ver 7.9.1.  Even
though I have a TIDAL HiFi subscription (streaming at FLAC quality),
when I launch the IOS Squeezepad app and listen thru my home audio
system (Transporter SE), the streaming  is only done at MP3 quality. 
Under the TIDAL plugin, 'Streaming Quality' tab there is the following
annotation:
-Please note that FLAC is only available to TIDAL HiFi users. MP3 will
automatically be used otherwise.- 
I called tech support at both TIDAL and LMS Support, and they both told
me to contact the other team. 
Anyone else seen this, or better yet, gotten FLAC quality music to
stream?

TIA
gregor



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