Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-12-15 Thread Man in a van


kitus wrote: 
> Same here! have you made any progress?


Don't hold your breath :)

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115466-Tidal-Hifi-Plus-bitrate=1040548=1#post1040548

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-12-14 Thread kitus


Blew wrote: 
> Can you see anything different in this yet? I'd love to be able get
> Tidal streaming working with MQA > 44.1KHz.

Same here! have you made any progress?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-03-24 Thread Blew


mherger wrote: 
> >
> I'm telling TIDAL to send the best quality stream available to the user.
> 
> That's a value which is returned by TIDAL, on which I can't have any 
> influence.
> 
> I've added some logging to see what values we're getting there. And up 
> to this point I've only had "high" (lossy) and "lossless", but not 
> "hi_res". Maybe no client with higher abilities has come across this 
> server instance yet.

Can you see anything different in this yet? I'd love to be able get
Tidal streaming working with MQA > 44.1KHz.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-02-06 Thread RobbH


Blew wrote: 
> It would be great if the Tidal ickstream plugin could support streaming
> "Master" MQA tracks over 44.1KHz, as this current limitation makes it
> fairly useless for me.

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110399-ickStream-Shutdown=937210=1#post937210



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-02-06 Thread Blew


It would be great if the Tidal ickstream plugin could support streaming
"Master" MQA tracks over 44.1KHz, as this current limitation makes it
fairly useless for me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2022-01-25 Thread bchab


Hi

My new DAC SMSL D1se does display stream and resolution. 
Tidal Master file are quoted MQA, but still in 44,1 khz !!

That would mean that i get word than a CD ...


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-15 Thread schorschi2


mherger wrote: 
> > LMA is running on a Raspberry PI 3B+ with the OS from Raspberry ( a
> few
> > days bak updatet) and with the original LMS 8.2.1 armdeb from the
> > Download.  This RPI is only for this task.
> 
> Did somebody set this up for you? Because disabling MySB integration is
> 
> a manual step in your case, and it requires editing some configuration 
> files. But I wouldn't even know which one of yours it is...
> 
> I'd recommend you run the following command on the Pi to search the /etc
> 
> folder:
> 
> sudo fgrep -ri nomysqueezebox /etc

Hello , good evening.

Now just i've checked  and  "/etc/default/logitechmediaserver" contains
"SLIMOPTIONS="--nomysqueezebox -".I've # and restart the server with
"systemctl  restart  logitechmediaserver.service",
and ... Tidal plugin is back. 

So again I have to say very much thanks!!I   

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-15 Thread Man in a van


Hoping this helps and does not confuse :)

In Buster and Bullseye it is at 


Code:

sudo nano /etc/default/logitechmediaserver



36160

Or it could / might be this, in the LMS Settings

36161

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-15 Thread Michael Herger

LMA is running on a Raspberry PI 3B+ with the OS from Raspberry ( a few
days bak updatet) and with the original LMS 8.2.1 armdeb from the
Download.  This RPI is only for this task.


Did somebody set this up for you? Because disabling MySB integration is 
a manual step in your case, and it requires editing some configuration 
files. But I wouldn't even know which one of yours it is...


I'd recommend you run the following command on the Pi to search the /etc 
folder:


sudo fgrep -ri nomysqueezebox /etc
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-15 Thread schorschi2

Hallo Michael.

LMA is running on a Raspberry PI 3B+ with the OS from Raspberry ( a few
days bak updatet) and with the original LMS 8.2.1 armdeb from the
Download.  This RPI is only for this task.

I´m not at home so i can give other information's this evening it its
needed.

schorschi



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-15 Thread Michael Herger

How to change this  mission figuration?


I must assume you're using piCorePlayer to run LMS? There's a "No MySB" 
option. Make sure it's not enabled.


If that's not the case then you should probably tell us more about your 
installation, operating system etc.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-14 Thread schorschi2


Hi Michael

QUOTE=mherger;1038135]>LMS in "no MySB" mode.

How to change this  mission figuration?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-14 Thread Michael Herger

Yes i've checkt it.


You're running LMS in "no MySB" mode. The mysqueezebox.com tab is 
missing from the settings. LMS is not talking to MySB in this mode, 
therefore will not show plugins which require MySB like TIDAL.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-14 Thread slartibartfast


schorschi2 wrote: 
> Hello Michael, 
> 
> Yes i've checkt it.
> 
> 36155
> 36156
> 
> As I understand due I selected in mysqieezebox.com Tidal I should be
> able to select in the favorites Tidal 2.0, but I'm couldn't not. Am I
> right with my assumption?
> 
> Greetings for all !
> 
> schorschiYou seem to have a few plugins missing from "inactive plugins". 

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-14 Thread schorschi2


Hello Michael, 

Yes i've checkt it.

36155
36156

As I understand due I selected in mysqieezebox.com Tidal I should be
able to select in the favorites Tidal 2.0, but I'm couldn't not. Am I
right with my assumption?

Greetings for all !

schorschi


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-14 Thread Michael Herger

Download again 8.2.1 and reinstalled , no different.


Did you check the "inactive plugins" section, too? Can you provide a 
screenshot of the plugin manager page?

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-13 Thread CJS


Well, then I don't know :confused:.

To catch the attention of people it may help to start a new topic with
title "TIDAL plugin missing in LMS".



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-13 Thread schorschi2


Hi CJS,

Download again 8.2.1 and reinstalled , no different.

schorschi



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-12 Thread CJS

schorschi2 wrote: 
> Since a few days i´ve the problem that in Mysqueezebox at my only one
> account is Tidal installed and with the right username and PWD locked
> in, but in LMS there is no Tidalplugin checkbox. it was bevore a few
> weeks running well. LMS runs on Raspi 3b+ with actual OS and LMS 8.2.1 .
> al ohter Plugin´s i use are running well. 
> 
> I´ve deinstalled and reinstalled Tidal in Mysqueezebor a few times ,
> nothig changed. I cant see a Tidalbutton in Squeezer and other App´s
> now.
> 
> What to do?

The TIDAL (v2.0) plugin is included with LMS 8.2.1, so it is very
strange that you don't see it on the LMS Plugins tab.
It should be either in the list of Active plugins, or in the list of
Inactive plugins. Refer to the screenshot below.

If the plugin is really not there, you could try to get it back by
reinstalling LMS 8.2.1. If you reinstall over your existing
installation, all LMS settings should stay the same.

36148


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-12 Thread schorschi2

Hallo @ all.

Since a few days i´ve the problem that in Mysqueezebox at my only one
account is Tidal installed and with the right username and PWD locked
in, but in LMS there is no Tidalplugin checkbox. it was bevore a few
weeks running well
LMS runs on Raspi 3b+ with actual OS and LMS 8.2.1 . al ohter Plugin´s i
use are running well. 

I´ve deinstalled and reinstalled Tidal in Mysqueezebor a few times ,
nothig changed. I cant see a Tidalbutton in Squeezer and other App´s
now.

What to do?

Other question. how to see the Logfiles? i searched for the point to say
what to log for give information what´s happens at my LMS. Skin ist the
Standart one.

So i think its maybe only a chacheproblem.

Sorry for my englisch, i´m not the youngest man and not used in
english.


Greetings from the German Tuscany in the verry southern Part of Baden.

schorschi



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-06 Thread Cooker44

Hi - very new to LMS and iPeng. I’ve searched and searched, but can’t
seem to find the definitive on this: those above using qobuz, are any of
you using iPeng or another controller on iOS to play through a second
iOS device? When using qobuz app on  device I can stream bit perfect
24/192 into my Cambridge DAC via USB class 2.0. Over iPeng it down
samples to 96kHz. I’ve set all file types with native option to native
and in LMS /iPeng set.rate to 24/>96 and no limit bit rate. 
I know iPeng used to max at 96 (maybe still does) and if this is the
case, what should I do to enable transcode on server and is this a
better option than accepting the Downsampling?
Thanks
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-11-02 Thread phydeaux3


I'm telling TIDAL to send the best quality stream available to the user.

That's a value which is returned by TIDAL, on which I can't have any 
influence.

I've added some logging to see what values we're getting there. And up 
to this point I've only had "high" (lossy) and "lossless", but not 
"hi_res". Maybe no client with higher abilities has come across this 
server instance yet.

-- 

Michael

I am using iPeng and/or Squeezepad on my iPad to stream highres or MQA
files via UPnP from Tidal to my Lyngdorf TDAI 3400. However, if I am using
my Squeezebox Touch, TIDAL seems to be limited to 44.1/16. SqueezePlay on
my Mac seems also limited to 44.1/16 although both players are capable of
streaming hi-res files from my NAS. I have checked all plugins and
settings on my LMS and could not find out where the problem is. 
So I came here and read Michals's response --- I guess Tidal's appetite to
sort out that mess is limited since they what us to use their app. 

Qobuz however streams hi-res files (>44.1/16) without any problems, no
matter what player I am using.

Just my 2 cents...



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-01-05 Thread psketch


I've also made the change from Tidal to Qobuz because of hi-rez on Tidal
only being on MQA.  Basically, since MQA isn't, and likely won't, be
supported in almost all of our scenarios, it just seems Tidal's a
non-starter for us and qobuz is a better option.  Interested if anyone
has any different views of course.  I used soundiiz to copy all my
favourites and playlists across - worked a treat :-)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2021-01-05 Thread sixeyed


I've switched to Qobuz and it works perfectly - the library integration
is great, hi-res comes down as hi-res and multi-room is more reliable
than I found with Tidal streams.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-19 Thread coyrls


prutser wrote: 
> Brings me aslo to a question, it seems Qobuz is still delivering true CD
> quality, which might replace my Tidal subscription. Is Qobuz supported
> by LMS ?

Yes it is (with a plugin) and works well.  LMS 8 also integrates your
Qobuz favourites and playlists into your LMS library



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-19 Thread prutser


Tidal HIFI used to deliver (at least they claimed) CD quality audio. In
the past Tidal 'master' tracks where FLAC (lossless) compressed
24bit/96kHz files. Then MQA came into the picture, MQA is a proprietary

format to (lossy) compress the additional samples into the LSB bits  of
the audio data. Although not many details ar known it boils down to the
fact that e.g. that take 96Khz/17 bit audio, downsample this to 48kHz
fs, then use the the lower 2 or 3 bits to store some (lossy) compressed
data. This compressed data is used in the (MQA licensed) playback chain 
to 'recover' (which is in fact not possible) the original 96kHz fs. 
There is a lot of filtering an processing done with MQA, whther it sound
better or worse is a matter of personal taste, but it is definately not
tha master recording as the performer and the audio engineer intended it
to be. 

Since MQA is proprietary, the process can only be done on licensed
hardware and/or software. At this moment many of the Tidal tracks are
being 'upgraded' to 'hi-res'. In fact, many of those 'hi-res' tracks are
44.1kHz 16 FLAC MQA encoded, which means the lower 3 bits contain noise
if not processed by an MQA licenced DAC or decoder. This means you get
worse than CD quality for a premium price when played back via an SB or
one of the many existing receivers with Tiday support. For me the reason
to cancel my Tidal subscription after many years. 

Besides the above, feaures like room correction, digital crossovers and
digital volume control algorithims also will make things worse when
applied to MQA encoded audio. 

MQA is nothing more than a lot of marketing fuzz to sell the same music
again in another format. To introduce a new form of DRM and to make
people buy new hardware. The fact that it's proprietary implies also the
risk that you end up with something like Betamax or SACD for which you
might not able to buy playback devices later.  

One of the many articles about MQA: 
https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/163302855-is-mqa-doa


Brings me aslo to a question, it seems Qobuz is still delivering true CD
quality, which might replace my Tidal subscription. Is Qobuz this
supported by LMS ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread coyrls


pjc8151 wrote: 
> I can stream MQA files from Qobuz (albums from the 2L label) through LMS
> and the MQA icon on my DAC lights up - the problem seems to be that LMS
> won't select the better than Redbook stream on Tidal - personally, I
> don't need LMS to have any MQA functionality, just pass the stream from
> Tidal to my DAC unaltered as it does for Qobuz.
There are no MQA files on Qobuz; they are all flac. Note MQA is not the
same as high resolution, which is available on Qobuz and Tidal but all
high resolution files on Qobuz are flac, not MQA.  (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread Michael Herger

I can stream MQA files from Qobuz (albums from the 2L label) through LMS
and the MQA icon on my DAC lights up - the problem seems to be that LMS
won't select the better than Redbook stream on Tidal - personally, I
don't need LMS to have any MQA functionality, just pass the stream from
Tidal to my DAC unaltered as it does for Qobuz.


I'm telling TIDAL to send the best quality stream available to the user. 
That's a value which is returned by TIDAL, on which I can't have any 
influence.


I've added some logging to see what values we're getting there. And up 
to this point I've only had "high" (lossy) and "lossless", but not 
"hi_res". Maybe no client with higher abilities has come across this 
server instance yet.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread pjc8151


Man in a van wrote: 
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> ronnie

I can stream MQA files from Qobuz (albums from the 2L label) through LMS
and the MQA icon on my DAC lights up - the problem seems to be that LMS
won't select the better than Redbook stream on Tidal - personally, I
don't need LMS to have any MQA functionality, just pass the stream from
Tidal to my DAC unaltered as it does for Qobuz.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread sixeyed


Thanks - but I'm not sure you get that setting with LMS 8 and the Tidal
2.0 plugin, leastways I can't see it since I upgraded :)

Does the MQA limitation mean LMS will only play at 16/44.1, or does it
just restrict certain bitrates?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread Man in a van


@SIXEYED
Which streaming quality have you selected?

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Also, MQA is not available through LMS

ronnie



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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Tidal hi-res through LMS 8.0 - bitrate limited to 44.1?

2020-12-14 Thread sixeyed


I love the Tidal integration in LMS 8, it's brought my Squeezeboxes bang
up to date - great work :)

Although... Hi-res albums don't seem to come through at "master"
quality. I've tried 24/96 tracks from Tidal on a Touch and on a Pi with
pCP, and my DAC shows them playing at 16/44.1. 

The same tracks on the Tidal desktop app (Windows) going into the same
DAC via USB do play at 96KHz. 

Similarly my LMS setup serves local hi-res files correctly, and I can
see them playing through the Squezeebox(es) at 96KHz.

Is this a limitation of re-streaming via LMS?



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