RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
We use Struts in our project. it's very good Pros: + you can apply your OOP skills and build large class hierarchies of form beans and +action classes Maris -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup (@Basebeans.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
How's this for a first shot: Pros Cons - - 1. Because everything else1. h..thinking just SUCKS!! You like No?? LOLOk, I'll spend more time on it. Also, I was thinking about something else Ted. Has anyone given thought to enhancing the struts-example? I mean, extend the functionality even if only to demonstrate the new 1.1 features. I've been working on the example and modifying to fit most of the Best Practices listed on http://husted.com/struts/catalog.htm and from a few other locations. Would it be acceptable to submit my changes for possible include as the new 1.1 struts-example? Of course, if this is already on someone's plate, then please ignore my ramblings.just thought I'd ask. James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org Microsoft is only a couple of terds short if being voted for the distinguished IT Industry's 'Bowel Movement of the Century' Award. Anonymous 2002 -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:04 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Struts James Mitchell wrote: If not, can I create one? Sure, http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#documentation We could also add this to it, http://www.husted.com/struts/resources/performant.htm We might label it the Struts Consquences page and add it to the Users Guide. There might also be a section of 1.0 cons that are being addressed in 1.1 (Cobbling custom ActionForms, Single configuration file and ResourceBundle, lack of service management, et al). -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services James Mitchell wrote: This topic comes up quite often. Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for this??? If not, can I create one? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
James Mitchell wrote: If not, can I create one? Sure, http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#documentation We could also add this to it, http://www.husted.com/struts/resources/performant.htm We might label it the Struts Consquences page and add it to the Users Guide. There might also be a section of 1.0 cons that are being addressed in 1.1 (Cobbling custom ActionForms, Single configuration file and ResourceBundle, lack of service management, et al). -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services James Mitchell wrote: This topic comes up quite often. Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for this??? If not, can I create one? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
Dan, Hi. Your spreadsheets notes on Oracle's BC4J framework need a touch-up. Here's a couple of points to correct: (*) BC4J provides a framework for easily building the model layer of your app (as your comment hints at, the part developers usually write by hand. Precisely!) (*) BC4J works fine with non-Oracle databases (*) BC4J works fine in any J2EE App Server, either *using* EJB if you want to, or staying with just simple Java classes as your model layer instead. Your choice. So, there is no Oracle lock in as your spreadsheets comment suggest. The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components -- using the BC4J framework invites you to be most productive by using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database. __ Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist, Author Simplify J2EE and EJB Development with BC4J http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/j2ee_bc4j.html Building Oracle XML Apps, www.oreilly.com/catalog/orxmlapp - Original Message - From: Dan Cancro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts | I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various | frameworks and other web development products. I update it every day as I | read about other peoples' experiences. You can download a fairly current | version from here: | http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPagepageId=3. | Click Application Frameworks Comparison. | | or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy. (I'm finally getting DSL | installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way). | | Here are some other docs that compare frameworks: | | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature- | matrix2.html?rev=1.10 | http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html | http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h | tml | | | -Dan | | -Original Message- | From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:55 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts | | | Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts | From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] | === | I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our | upcoming project. | Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and | cons that they | might have experienced in their projects? | | Thanks. | | | | | -- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | -- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
Steve - I heard that JDeveloper is now a free product. Is that true? I also heard that it comes with directions for hooking it up to cvs repositories on SourceForge. Any chance someone could post info on hooking it up directly to the Struts nightly build? Thanks for Oracle's ongoing support here. Steve Muench [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/04/2002 07:22:12 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Struts Dan, Hi. Your spreadsheets notes on Oracle's BC4J framework need a touch-up. Here's a couple of points to correct: (*) BC4J provides a framework for easily building the model layer of your app (as your comment hints at, the part developers usually write by hand. Precisely!) (*) BC4J works fine with non-Oracle databases (*) BC4J works fine in any J2EE App Server, either *using* EJB if you want to, or staying with just simple Java classes as your model layer instead. Your choice. So, there is no Oracle lock in as your spreadsheets comment suggest. The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components -- using the BC4J framework invites you to be most productive by using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database. __ Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist, Author Simplify J2EE and EJB Development with BC4J http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/j2ee_bc4j.html Building Oracle XML Apps, www.oreilly.com/catalog/orxmlapp - Original Message - From: Dan Cancro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts | I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various | frameworks and other web development products. I update it every day as I | read about other peoples' experiences. You can download a fairly current | version from here: | http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPagepageId=3. | Click Application Frameworks Comparison. | | or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy. (I'm finally getting DSL | installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way). | | Here are some other docs that compare frameworks: | | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature- | matrix2.html?rev=1.10 | http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html | http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h | tml | | | -Dan | | -Original Message- | From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:55 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts | | | Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts | From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] | === | I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our | upcoming project. | Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and | cons that they | might have experienced in their projects? | | Thanks. | | | | | -- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | -- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Jeff Duska [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Steve: I guess I would disagree. Unless I misunderstood you before, you said that BC4J was only available with JDeveloper. Thus, to have a legal license you must purchase JDeveloper. This seems to me to make it pretty tied to Oracle, even if it is tied only to JDeveloper. If Oracle starts providing it by itself, I think more people would consider it. You could even gain more acceptance by have plug-ins for Netbeans or Eclipse. I doubt that this is goal that Oracle has for BC4J. Steve Muench wrote: snip The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components -- using the BC4J framework invites you to be most productive by using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
This topic comes up quite often. Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for this??? If not, can I create one? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
There is one on the JBoss site that might be worth looking at. James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/04/2002 03:25:35 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts This topic comes up quite often. Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for this??? If not, can I create one? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
Can you provide a URL? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:00 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts There is one on the JBoss site that might be worth looking at. James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/04/2002 03:25:35 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts This topic comes up quite often. Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for this??? If not, can I create one? James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. -- - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
Well, I have worked with a number of pros in the course of my present Struts project, but I don't know if any are felons. -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:55 PM I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
referring to the four taglibs - bean, html, logic and template we make use of all. All work very nice. thats the pro. For cons, i think these taglib's can make the app slower since there are now more classes being instantiated/re-used compared to using straight scriptlets or html. At 12:55 PM 6/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pros and Cons of Struts
I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various frameworks and other web development products. I update it every day as I read about other peoples' experiences. You can download a fairly current version from here: http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPagepageId=3. Click Application Frameworks Comparison. or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy. (I'm finally getting DSL installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way). Here are some other docs that compare frameworks: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature- matrix2.html?rev=1.10 http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h tml -Dan -Original Message- From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts From: Sanjib Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our upcoming project. Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they might have experienced in their projects? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
