Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread James Mitchell
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:


 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a notification
 message.

 Don't understand it.

If you don't like Outlook features, stop using Outlook.



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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Norm Deane
Or turn that feature off. In Outlook 2002 you can set it to never send a
receipt.  By default it will ask if you want to send one.

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 On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
 
 
  It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a 
  notification message.
 
  Don't understand it.
 
 If you don't like Outlook features, stop using Outlook.
 
 
 
  
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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Yansheng Lin
That's not the point.  

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:


 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a notification
 message.

 Don't understand it.

If you don't like Outlook features, stop using Outlook.



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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Yansheng Lin
The thing I don't understand is why you would want a receipt at the first place.
Anticipating a refund?  

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Or turn that feature off. In Outlook 2002 you can set it to never send a
receipt.  By default it will ask if you want to send one.

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 On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
 
 
  It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a 
  notification message.
 
  Don't understand it.
 
 If you don't like Outlook features, stop using Outlook.
 
 
 
  
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Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/07/2003 09:13 PM Yansheng Lin wrote:
That's not the point.  

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: November 7, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:


It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a notification
message.
Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying having to 
hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and the problem 
is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because that turns it 
off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal 
email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.

I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list 
software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails 
it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.

Adam

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Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Vic Cekvenich
James Mitchell wrote:

If you don't like Outlook features, stop using Outlook.

+1.

Outlook also spreads viruses.

I use Mozilla based mail client (Netscape, etc.) and have less of a need 
to run any virus checkers, becuase it's just a better mail client.

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Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread David Graham

--- Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/07/2003 09:13 PM Yansheng Lin wrote:
  That's not the point.  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: November 7, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?
  
  
  On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
  
  
 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a
 notification
 message.
 
 Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying having to 
 hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and the problem
 
 is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because that turns it
 
 off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal 
 email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.
 
 I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list 
 software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails
 
 it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.

You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a
poorly written email client?  Not likely...

David

 
 Adam
 
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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC
this sounds like a message for the outlook-dev mailing list.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:26 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?
 
 Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying 
 having to 
 hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and 
 the problem 
 is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because 
 that turns it 
 off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal 
 email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.
 
 I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the 
 mailing list 
 software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header 
 from the mails 
 it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.
 
 Adam
 
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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Mike Jasnowski
Or better yet, why not just write an Outlook add-in that strips the header
for you.

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--- Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/07/2003 09:13 PM Yansheng Lin wrote:
  That's not the point.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: November 7, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?
 
 
  On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
 
 
 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a
 notification
 message.

 Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying having to
 hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and the problem

 is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because that turns it

 off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal
 email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.

 I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list
 software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails

 it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.

You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a
poorly written email client?  Not likely...

David


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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Greg Dunn
Not everyone gets to choose which email client they use.  Even here in the
open source Java community.  The answer is if you want to post to the list
turn off the Ask for a receipt for every message I send option and don't
request.


Greg



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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:32 PM
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--- Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/07/2003 09:13 PM Yansheng Lin wrote:
  That's not the point.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: November 7, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?
 
 
  On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
 
 
 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a
 notification
 message.

 Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying having to
 hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and the problem

 is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because that turns it

 off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal
 email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.

 I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list
 software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails

 it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.

You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a
poorly written email client?  Not likely...

David


 Adam

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Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/07/2003 09:31 PM David Graham wrote:
I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing
list software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from
the mails it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.


You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a 
poorly written email client?  Not likely...
Wow that's a bit harsh. Firstly if you think my email client is poorly 
written, you're ... oh hold on, you're right. I can set my 
return-receipt handling per email account. What I said before about it 
being an application-wide setting was wrong. Sorry.

However despite being wrong about that point, it still would make sense 
to strip off that header because, regardless of the email client 
software of the listers, that header is useless and anybody using it was 
doing so only by mistake. Although in our broadband era it's probably 
insignificant, all those return-receipts flying around is a waste of 
band-width.

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RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Yansheng Lin
+1

That's the whole point of my posting.   Why do you need to turn it on when you
post to a public mailing list?!!!  I never turn it on when I do a post here.

Don't understand why a lot of people are trying to defend/protect such
inconsideration.


-Original Message-
From: Greg Dunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: November 7, 2003 1:45 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?


Not everyone gets to choose which email client they use.  Even here in the
open source Java community.  The answer is if you want to post to the list
turn off the Ask for a receipt for every message I send option and don't
request.


Greg



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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:32 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?



--- Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/07/2003 09:13 PM Yansheng Lin wrote:
  That's not the point.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: November 7, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?
 
 
  On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
 
 
 It's pissing me off when my Outlook asks me if I went to send a
 notification
 message.

 Actually I know what you mean and I find it slightly annoying having to
 hit tab - return to get rid of the confirm dialog box, and the problem

 is that I cannot turn off the configuration option because that turns it

 off for the whole application and I need it set 'on' for my personal
 email account, but 'off' for my list accounts like this one.

 I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list
 software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails

 it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.

You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a
poorly written email client?  Not likely...

David


 Adam

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Re: [FRIDAY] Why people want to know who read their msg?

2003-11-07 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/07/2003 09:38 PM Mike Jasnowski wrote:
Or better yet, why not just write an Outlook add-in that strips the header
for you.
--- Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if anyone on the Jakarta admin team could set the mailing list
software to strip the 'request-confirmation' email header from the mails
it sends out? As Yinsheng says, there is no point in them.


You want Jakarta to change its processes to accomodate your use of a
poorly written email client?  Not likely...
Alright alright I give up, I was wrong, but for crying out loud, I use 
mozilla and was making a point that doesn't have anything to do with 
which client I use, which is why I didn't mention it.

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