Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Physics-2
Gary C Martin writes: > Hmm, I did test it on both, and ticked both boxes (0.82 and 0.84) when > I submitted the Activity form. I'll go take another look and make sure > it stuck correctly. Physics is *great*, thanks Gary! I just uploaded a tiny screencast: http://vimeo.com/5291223 It basically plays with just a few things, but still. I added it to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Video_Using_Sugar -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] BBC News!
Sean DALY writes: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8117064.stm Funny how every media rushes on spreading the press release *before* actually testing SoaS... I guess there will be a second wave with test. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] French Help Activity
Sean DALY writes: > Indeed, at my first contact with Sugar as a G1G1 donor I had found the > Help Activity extremely useful. I released an alpha version for the help activity in french: http://relire.org/xo/Helpfr.xo I've worked a lot on the HTML pages. I ditched the flossmanuals layout as much as possible, I think it takes too much space on the page. > I actually think it would be better to provide easy access to Help in > every context, as done elsewhere, so not necessarily an Activity. > > The frame would be the logical place, but there is also a learning > curve with making the frame appear/disappear (except of course on the > XO which has a key for it). I think it woudn't make sense to always have a '?' in the frame. Rather, activity developers could decide whether the activity has its own '?' somewhere in the menu (near the 'Quit' button?). Which would mean each developer would be responsible for writing documentation for its activity... > Again, I suspect grownup users of Windows will encounter more > difficulty than kids - the Help may be more for Teachers than > Learners... Every user likes to have a "help" button for an activity, wherever they come from. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Hi all, I want to maintain the Helpfr activity on the gitorious service. How do I do this? I already have an account on gitorious, with my SSH key uploaded, and my git skills are all right. Thanks for any hint. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?
I'm a bit skeptical about using flossmanuals for co-writing and translating Sugar's documentation. What are the real benefits over a simple wiki? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
David Farning writes: > Rather than create a new activity, does it make sense to create a fr > branch of the existing help activity at > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help ? IMHO branching does not make sense, 95% of this new activity is... new. The wrapping code is basic - I haven't touch it. Also, I imagine a "french" tag could appear at some point, and this tag would filter through activities, not branches. No? > Is is possible that most of your work can be pushed back upstream into > help? or is it too early to start looking at these types of > abstractions. I guess it's too early... -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Frederick Grose writes: >> I want to maintain the Helpfr activity on the gitorious service. >> How do I do this? I already have an account on gitorious, with >> my SSH key uploaded, and my git skills are all right. >> >> Thanks for any hint. >> > > See this wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ That's it, thanks. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?
Luke Faraone writes:
> Some points:
>
> • It's what we use already. ("If it ain't broke, don't fix it")
I think it is broken for some purposes.
We couldn't have a decent PDF for the french translation because
of encoding issues.
Is anyone using flossmanuals to translate Sugar documentation into
another language?
> • It supports easy exporting to a variety of formats
I'm aware of PDF export - what other formats?
> • FLOSSManuals has infrastructure for print-on-demand dead-tree
> publishing
Ok.
> • FM's software is explicitly designed for the task
Well, see above about PDF export.
> • FM supports easy remixing of content and creation of custom books
> pooling from a variety of on-site sources
Maybe I just miss a nice tutorial about this.
> • There is a community of tech writers who use it.
>
> More importantly, what are the benefits/reasons-in-favor of changing to a
> "simple wiki"?
- Sugar Labs already uses a wiki;
- The source format of the wiki is easier to export into a variety of
formats (including .odt and .pdf);
- The wiki allows better co-writing than flossmanuals;
- Nothing prevents people to export from the wiki to flossmanuals
(e.g. to benefit from its "print-on-demand" feature) but it is
hard to export from flossmanuals to other formats.
My point is not about whether Sugar Labs should use flossmanuals or not,
it's about using it as a native format for documentation.
I think the native format should be:
- easy to integrate into Sugar;
- easy to export into lots of formats.
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[Sugar-devel] Clock in the frame?
Hi all, a request that I've heard a few times: have a clock in Sugar, maybe somewhere in the frame. Possible? Maybe the frame could welcome small "applets", and the clock could be just one of them? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar and ebooks
There is discussion on the TeleRead blog about Sugar activities for reading ebooks: http://tinyurl.com/kqmmko See my comments on the blog. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?
Hi David, Luke and all, David Farning writes: > Have you pinged the FM mailing list at > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net . > They are usually pretty helpful. Lionel did, they replied but couldn't solve this encoding issue. > The biggest reason for leaning on FM is that they have a good > reputation for creating usable end user documentation. Yeah, fair enough. My first concern was about writing "portable" documentation. After hours of sweating while trying to clean up the HTML files produced by FM in order to integrate those files into the HelpFr activity, I thought "Phew... all this would have been much easier if we had written this in a wiki!" Hence my first question. But now my real concern is about encouraging activity writers to write documentation that is browsable from within Sugar. The Help activity is both useful and adhoc. The help should be linked very closely to the activity, and I think the FM format keep developers far from this goal. > Traditionally, > documentation is one of the weakest parts of open source projects, > because no one every gets around to writing it. But what is the prefered format for good documentation? Plain text. HTML. Man page. Texinfo pages. DocBook. Wikis. Things that can be easily manipulated and exported... > Unless someone really motivated and really talented comes on board, I > don't SL being able to create the quality of content FM creates in the > near term. My guess was that SL content on FM was created by the SL community (in "documentation sprints") -- not by the FM community. But if the FM community is contributing to SL doc a lot, so far so good, let's stick to this way of working. Anyhow, I still have this feeling: if I were a teacher, the FM manuals would look like "official manuals", writings that is produced top-down for me and I don't need to contribute, even if I have something useful to write... Maybe that's the purpose, I don't know. > I think there are about 10 translations of the Sugar manuals in > various states. Can't see them.. where are they? Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and ebooks
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes: > ..and I just pre-released a FBReader Activity for SOAS and other > Fedora 11 based builds (it may also work in other distro based builds > - I haven't tested, but it won't work in anything else than x86 > (32-bit) for sure ;-). > > http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/experimental/FBReader-10.xo Great! Thanks (also thx for the comment on Teleread.) I just tested your FBReader.xo on sugar-jhbuild, but can't launch it. I attach the shell.log. shell.log Description: Binary data -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Clock in the frame?
Martin Dengler writes: > Have a look at: > > Newest: > > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mtd-sugar/commits/7fb887647086a5aaa413bab6c00fb2df43f2e073 > > Older: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:MartinDengler#SugarLabs_latest_release_.280.84.29_and_Sugar-on-a-stick > > Oldest: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:MartinDengler#Build_767_.2F_801_.28current_stable.29 > > There are plenty of other clocks floating around too. Thanks. Now I guess the next step is to make it usable by someone who doesn't want to open a Terminal. >> Maybe the frame could welcome small "applets", and the clock >> could be just one of them? > > The frame is very welcoming to new device icons. Good to know! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and ebooks
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes: > ..and I just pre-released a FBReader Activity for SOAS and other > Fedora 11 based builds (it may also work in other distro based builds > - I haven't tested, but it won't work in anything else than x86 > (32-bit) for sure ;-). > > http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/experimental/FBReader-10.xo Great! Thanks (also thx for the comment on Teleread.) I just tested your FBReader.xo on sugar-jhbuild, but can't launch it. I attach the shell.log. shell.log Description: Binary data -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?
Hi Edward, Edward Cherlin writes: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Bastien wrote: >> I'm a bit skeptical about using flossmanuals for co-writing and >> translating Sugar's documentation. >> >> What are the real benefits over a simple wiki? > > The documentation on the OLPC and SugarLabs Wikis is barely usable for > experts, severely incomplete, and not in any way usable or acceptable > for novices. They need to have a path laid out through the essential > topics, even if they choose to skip over some the first time through. It costs the same energy, whether you put useful content on the wiki or on FM. My point was that the benefits of putting this energy in a wiki are higher. (And I agree that the *current* content of the wikis are not usable for beginners... but it doesn't anyone from putting such beginner-oriented content on it, isn't it?) > On the other hand, if you have a plan and would care to lead a Wiki > sprint, we might come out with something acceptable. I'm game. No plan yet, as my focus is on french documentation. > But then, how would we turn that into a PDF or book? Aren't there mediawiki->PDF converters out there? At least for dokuwiki you can do this: dokiwiki -> odt -> pdf best, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?
Bastien writes:
> (And I agree that the *current* content of the wikis are not usable for
> beginners... but it doesn't anyone from putting such beginner-oriented
> content on it, isn't it?)
Oops:
s/doesn't anyone/doesn't prevent anyone/ ...
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and ebooks
Tomeu Vizoso writes: >> I just tested your FBReader.xo on sugar-jhbuild, but can't launch it. >> I attach the shell.log. > > The relevant error message will be in another file in the same dir > where you found shell.log. Found it, thanks. org.laptop.FBReaderActivity-1.log Description: Binary data -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and ebooks
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes: > Ah - you need to be using a Python 2.6 based system to use this > (Fedora 11, or Ubuntu 9.04, etc). This is the trouble with the current > FBReader Activity - most of its internal are composed of binary blobs. Ok... will try to rebuild sugar-jhbuild with Python 2.6 soon, then. > Anyway - hopefully we won't have to wait for long to get Epub support > in Read - I have it working quite nicely in my system, and there's > only one patch that needs to go to upstream WebKit before I can merge > the epub-support repo into mainline. Good news - Thanks for your enduring efforts! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Downloading all Sugar activities?
Hi all, still preparing the OLPC deployment in Nosy Komba. We thought it would be nice to provide offline resources. Is there a way to download all Sugar activities? Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Downloading all Sugar activities?
Aleksey Lim writes: > just an option, > create list of ASLO ids and use url > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/latest/ > to download them from any script Will do this - thanks for the fast feedback! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SocialCalc 0.8.3g version release
Claudia Urrea writes: > Congratulation on a great work. I look forward to the localization in > Spanish. You will be hearing from me soon!! And I look forward the translation in french! I looked into the code, but wasn't able to find any po/ directory -- hope this will be available soon... In the meantime, I've uploaded a tiny screencast here: http://vimeo.com/5291250 It doesn't really explore SocialCalc, it just exposes it to the eyes. But still, some eyes can't *believe* things until they are shown them. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar in China?
Are there any Sugar people in China, Beijin? I'm going there (PKU) in July for the entire month. There are good chances that I will make a short talk about FOSS & Education in front of the Beijing Linux User Group (which is around 1000 members...) I plan to include some slides about Sugar Labs and Sugar. If you know Sugar people in China, or if you want me to spread specific messages, please let me know. Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar in China?
Thanks Sean and Samy. I will encourage these people to start their own Sugar Labs and to involve teachers. Further advice always welcome. PS: Samy, I suspect you have several AI clones out there... s.bouta...@free.fr writes: > The BLUG is very dynamic. They are aware of the XO and some of its > members have a XO too. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Wise Qatar award
An award for Sugar Labs? http://www.wise-qatar.org/en/awards Deadline for applications is July, 15th. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Wise Qatar award
Bastien writes: > An award for Sugar Labs? > > http://www.wise-qatar.org/en/awards > > Deadline for applications is July, 15th. Redirected this to marketing@ -- sorry for the noise. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Bastien writes: >> See this wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ > > That's it, thanks. I have uploaded my id_dsa.pub key on my account. I have initiated the local git repo. Here is my .git/config file: , | [core] | repositoryformatversion = 0 | filemode = true | bare = false | logallrefupdates = true | [remote "origin"] | url = gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:helpfr/mainline.git | fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* | [push] | default = matching ` ~$ git push origin master ask for a password. Which is weird because afaik I didn't protect my public key with a password. Entering anything here results in an "access denied or wrong path" error I cannot escape. Any idea what I could try? Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] HelloWorld documentation in sugarlabs wiki
David Van Assche writes: > They are at least available at linux-for-education.org as moodle > courses. It would be great if we start getting used to create moodle > courses instead of wiki entries for anything that is kinda like a > lesson or a tutorial, as it means easier grouping, moving, choosing, > translating, and more complex modifying... > > It takes about 15 minutes to convert a wiki entry into a moodle > course... How long does it take to convert a Moodle course to a wiki entry? If it takes longer, I vote for maintaining tutorials in the wiki, for obvious portability reasons. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Frederick Grose writes: > Is it possible you got blacklisted? See the first question, which was > recently > added to the top of this list, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/ > Git_FAQ#Help.21_I_suddenly_can.27t_connect_to_Gitorious.21. I don't think so, I tried from several different IP adresses. What can I do? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Luke Faraone writes: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 06:13, Bastien wrote: > > Bastien writes: > > >> See this wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ > > > > That's it, thanks. > > I have uploaded my id_dsa.pub key on my account. > > Please try again with RSA, use of DSA is discouraged. Thanks. I had both DSA and RSA keys on gitorious. I deleted the DSA key. I still get this annoying error: , | Access denied or bad repository path | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly ` My email on .gitconfig and gitorious are the same. I have this error from several IP addresses, so I guess I'm not blacklisted. Here is my ~/Activities/Helpfr.activity/.git/config file: , | [core] | repositoryformatversion = 0 | filemode = true | bare = false | logallrefupdates = true | [remote "origin"] | url = gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:helpfr/mainline.git | fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* | [push] | default = matching ` Any other idea? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] netbook as terminology
Frederick Grose writes: > When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to > network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but > network-book! > > XO-1s do this by default, we should push this capability into any Wi-Fi > enabled > device running Sugar. Yes. In the meantime, I would *love* to see the XS server running, and a tutorial on how to use Sugar with non-XO computers connected thru a XS server... IMHO it's a promise that OLPC/Sugar cannot afford to bypass. For example, there are many schools in France where they use an Ubuntu-based distribution (AbulEdu) as a server and let the children computers interact through this server. When I talk to them about Sugar, they immediately ask about the server. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
Hi Gary, thanks a lot for your email. As you guessed, I forgot to create the project on gitorious before trying to push the repo to it. I will write a tutorial about this. Helpfr is on gitorious now: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/helpfr Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] netbook as terminology
Dave Bauer writes: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bastien wrote: > > Yes. In the meantime, I would *love* to see the XS server running, and > a tutorial on how to use Sugar with non-XO computers connected thru a XS > server... IMHO it's a promise that OLPC/Sugar cannot afford to bypass. > > This is already working. For example, if you use Sugar on a Stick you are > using > an XS that can work with XO and non-XO computers today. This is 0.5.2 XS > installed from the ISO and regularly updated via yum. If you take any > installation of Sugar and set the collaboration server to jabber.sugarlabs.org > it should work. No special configuration is needed to support Sugar on non-XO > computers that I am aware of. Thanks. But that's when the Sugar machines are connected to the internet, right? What I was looking for is a "How to set up a school server?" when you don't have internet - i.e. when you need to use the server as an access point. This might be of interest in some of the french school we plan to deploy Soas. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Switching between activities? (was Re: Nobody understands "Keep")
Hi all, Greg Smith writes: > I forgot that switching to a new activity puts a copy of the old one > on the Journal (20+ e-mails on that subject alone last year!). This comment and Daniel's ones about the Keep button just make me wonder why Sugar should allow several activities to be open at the same time. Any strong case where this can be relevant? Actually I'm not suggesting to ditch "switching" itself, I just realized that switching could be "quit-and-fetch-another-activity-from-journal." Then it would make sense to have another instance of the activity stored in the journal when "switching" to an activity. > FYI my philosophy is that the user is never "wrong". I have the same. And I've seen many instances with the XO where I had to explain why children "shouldn't" launch more than 3 or 4 activities. Hence this proposal. Perhaps you considered this idea before - in that case I'm interested in reading thru the discussion. Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Switching between activities?
Walter Bender writes: > The biggest downside is that some activities are very slow to launch... > especially on the XO. I guess the downside for children to get stuck with too many open activities on their XO is bigger than that of waiting for an activity to launch -- especially when using the computer for learning purpose, where you don't really need to switch between many activities. This argument holds /a fortiori/ on other hardware, where launchtime is better. Anyway, was just a thought. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar as desktop os
Hi Philippe, Philippe Clérié writes: > We're located in Haiti. Sorry I left that off. And before anyone asks > :-) we're not part of the pilot that was scheduled to begin in Haiti > last year. I briefly worked with them. As far as I can tell, after > the last cabinet shuffle, the project has gone dormant. Officially, I > don't know why. Unofficially, the new Minister of Education does not > like anything started by the previous one. Or so it seems. Thanks for the news. You may remember that I was in Haïti one year ago, helping at the very beginning of the project. I've been trying hard to get some fresh information on the current status of the project, with no luck. I expected something like you describe, which is very sad. The last "news" I had was this movie: http://olpc-france.org/blog/2009/06/olpc-haiti-deploiement-dans-une-nouvelle-ecole/ Apparently things are not stuck, just moving *very* slowly. > One problem is that while I have the computer > expertise, I know next to nothing about education, and those who > have that expertise are somewhat "afraid?" of the computer. Common pattern, I would say. This is an issue we plan to tackle here at OLPC France. We have been contacting teachers and will build the Sugar documentation in collaboration with them, with example of what they want to do in the classrooms. If you want to join us, just jump on this link: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-france Congrats for your continuous efforts. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Haiti dormant
Hi Philippe, Philippe Clérié writes: >> Did the laptops get distributed first? If not, where are they? > > No the laptops were not distributed as far as I know. As to where > they are, the information is not public so I don't know. There is no information on the olpchaiti.org website due to lack of webmaster. But as I said, I think there are a few schools already equiped with the laptops. At least one: http://olpc-france.org/blog/2009/06/olpc-haiti-deploiement-dans-une-nouvelle-ecole/ >> Excellent. I had a hand in getting Kreyol localization started. > > It's such a small world. :-) Indeed. > I got involved too at the beginning but the effort seemed to have > fizzled very quickly, based on zero activity on the mailing list. > Perhaps the effort went elsewhere and I did not notice. The effort went IRL during the last summer. The haitian team worked hard getting the translation done, and there were very few messages on the mailing list because things were mainly done face to face. Someone was in charge of letting the mailing list notice about the progress but obviously it was not me. (Part of my work in Haiti was to help them be more autonomous about such tasks.) Regards, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Commiter problem with git
Asaf Paris Mandoki writes: > The problem I have is that the commit is not linked to my username. It is > only linked to my name and it has a bogus email as shown here: > > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/physics/repos/mainline/commits/b8d17f2e400c39d1aa4d191f48d693c01f6a813d You need to have a section with your name and email right in your main git configuration file (usually ~/.gitconfig) or in the local config file of the project (~/Activities/Physics.activity/.git/config) : [user] name = Asaf Paris Mandoki email = asa...@gmail.com -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Commiter problem with git
Asaf Paris Mandoki writes: > The ~/.gitconfig didn't exist. I executed > > git config --global user.name "Asaf Paris Mandoki" > git config --global user.email "asa...@gmail.com" > > and that generated ~/.gitconfig with the format mentioned. > > The problem I have now is that when I execute > > git push gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:physics/mainline.git Btw, a simple "git push origin master" should work for the first push, and "git push" for the following ones. > I get a message saying "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." and it > asks me for a password. I give the password I defined for the key and it > prompts me again for the password ad-infinitum. Make sure you use the same email address in: - your distant gitorious account - your local git configuration - the ssh key you use -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Commiter problem with git
Sascha Silbe writes: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 05:11:32PM +0200, Bastien wrote: > >> Make sure you use the same email address in: >> - the ssh key you use > ssh has no concept of an "email address". The last part of the ssh key > is a comment and thus is ignored in normal operation (it's mostly useful > to humans to distinguish the keys they added to authorized_keys). Good to know, thanks. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Hi Adam, when I go to the french homepage of flossmanuals, I don't see the french manuals that we translated for Sugar : http://fr.flossmanuals.net/ Am I missing something? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Translation on the wiki
1. The Translation_Team/ is not visible on the left menu. I think it deserves a link. 2. Someone deleted the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translations page I created a while ago. This page was meant to monitor wiki translations. Maybe this was not a convenient way to work for everyone but at least I was using it. Why deleting it? 3. I wanted to add french translation for the Helpfr page. I followed instructions from this page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Wiki_Translation Both the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Helpfr and the Helpfr/lang-fr pages contain the right templates, but I surely missed one step in the process because this is now a complete mess. Can someone have a look and help me fix this? Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Translation on the wiki
Hi Frederick, Frederick Grose writes: > I don't find a deletion log for that page. At the time I created the page, I put it on my watchlist (see screenshot). > Although there have been several > similarly named pages deleted or moved, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php? > title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Translat&pattern=1&year=&month=-1& > hide_patrol_log=1 > > Perhaps this Category page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Translated, > > or one of these category pages, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title= > Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Translat&namespace=14, > > or on of these Template pages, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title= > Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Translat&namespace=10, > > or one of the pages at the top of this list, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ > index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Translat&namespace=0, > > may have what you are looking for. Thanks for taking the time to digg. I finally found the page was moved inside this section: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Wiki_Translation#Priority_Pages -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero writes: > In a quick search i didn't find those either, this seems estrange , > because iirc the translations were already done while ago The translations are there: http://translate.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/XO_fr/WebHome http://translate.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar_fr/WebHome But I don't know how to get to these links from the flossmanuals homepage. I'm surely missing something obvious - Adam? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re : Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Nicolas Dufour writes: > Adam, could you please move Sugar from the translation zone to the > French site? I can't do it by myself because it would do a standard > transfer, and we need a complete move (a real copy in the French > manuals and removed from the translation zone) and keep the original > translation links. IIUC, "moving out the translation zone" is kinda making the french version official, right? And I guess we can still work on these official versions? Am I right? Thanks for handling this. It will help getting those manuals more exposure. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re : Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Nicolas Dufour writes: >> De : Bastien >> IIUC, "moving out the translation zone" is kinda making the french >> version official, right? And I guess we can still work on these >> official versions? Am I right? > > Yes, you're right. But you must register on the French site first. ok > The translation zone and the French site are almost identical, but > they don't share the same user base. This I'm not sure I understand. You mean that the userbase of the french site is anyone from the internet, while the userbase from the translation site is anyone who registered to flossmanuals? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re : Re : Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Nicolas Dufour writes: >> De : Bastien >> You mean that the userbase of the french site is anyone from the >> internet, while the userbase from the translation site is anyone >> who registered to flossmanuals? > > No, the userbase of the French site is anyone who registered to > fr.flossmanuals.net. I'm confused. How french people know about french manuals then? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re : Re : Re : Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals
Nicolas Dufour writes: >> De : Bastien >> I'm confused. How french people know about french manuals then? > > They can read the manuals, but they can't write :) > Registration gives write rights, that's all. Ok. Thanks for putting XO/Sugar manuals in the french section when you can. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Helpfr-4
Sugar Labs Activities writes: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4195 > > Release notes: > > > Reviewer comments: > Sorry, for long reply. No problem. > I've pushed it to 0.82 because it works fine in 0.82 env. but doesn't > start in 0.84 see #1065 I know, I've asked Seth Woodworth about this but get no reply. Will try again. I guess it's because it uses obsolete code for launching browse. If anyone is willing to fix that, that'd be great. > (btw whats your nick on dev.sugarlags.org) "bzg" Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
__ toolbar = Toolbar(self._web_view) File "/home/soas/Activities/Helpfr.activity/helpactivity.py", line 93, in __init__ self._web_view.web_progress.addProgressListener(self._listener, mask) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/hulahop/webview.py", line 262, in get_web_progress return self.doc_shell.queryInterface(interfaces.nsIWebProgress) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/hulahop/webview.py", line 259, in get_doc_shell return requestor.getInterface(interfaces.nsIDocShell) File "", line 3, in getInterface xpcom.Exception: -2147467262 (-2147467262) 1247467121.019617 DEBUG root: _cleanup_temp_files --- End Message --- -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
Tomeu Vizoso writes: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:07, Bastien wrote: >> Seth, do you have time to fix this? > > As a first guess, Help is using a too old version of Browse as its > base, I think we should rebase Help on a newer version of Browse so it > works with the hulahop in Sugar 0.84. Yes, but I don't know how to do it, I don't speak python. Can someone help? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
Hi all, apparently Seth didn't find time to fix Help. Can anyone help? At least can someone give directions on how to "rebase Help on a newer version of Browse"? I don't speak python but I can handle directions. Thanks, Bastien writes: > Tomeu Vizoso writes: > >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:07, Bastien wrote: >>> Seth, do you have time to fix this? >> >> As a first guess, Help is using a too old version of Browse as its >> base, I think we should rebase Help on a newer version of Browse so it >> works with the hulahop in Sugar 0.84. > > Yes, but I don't know how to do it, I don't speak python. > > Can someone help? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
ges/sugar/activity/main.py", line 34, in create_activity_instance activity = constructor(handle) File "/home/soas/Activities/Helpfr.activity/helpactivity.py", line 50, in __init__ toolbar = Toolbar(self._web_view) File "/home/soas/Activities/Helpfr.activity/helpactivity.py", line 93, in __init__ self._web_view.web_progress.addProgressListener(self._listener, mask) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/hulahop/webview.py", line 262, in get_web_progress return self.doc_shell.queryInterface(interfaces.nsIWebProgress) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/hulahop/webview.py", line 259, in get_doc_shell return requestor.getInterface(interfaces.nsIDocShell) File "", line 3, in getInterface xpcom.Exception: -2147467262 (-2147467262) 1247467121.019617 DEBUG root: _cleanup_temp_files -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
Hi Gary, thanks for the warnings. Are the Help/Helpfr activities the only two instances of such compatibility issue with 0.82 and 0.84 hulahop versions? If not, what are the other decisions that have been made? I think the current Help doesn't need to be upgraded, as it contains instructions for XO and Sugar 0.82. Maybe after the next flossmanuals sprint, Help will need a full rewrite - upgrading both the content and the hulahop engine, and this new version could be released as a separate Help2. For Helpfr: the sooner we can have something working for Sugar 0.84 the better. No real backward compatibility issue, as Helpfr is meant to be useful for future deployments (the manual included in the current Helpfr has been given to our volunteers in Madagascar as a separate .pdf.) Thanks a lot for the feedback. Gary C Martin writes: > Hi Bastian, > > On 21 Jul 2009, at 15:39, Bastien wrote: > >> Hi Sayamindu, >> >> thans in advance for your help. >> >> The original Help activity repo is here: >> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help >> >> The derived Helpfr activity is here: >> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/helpfr >> >> They both rely on the same Browse, and this part of the code need to >> be updated. Below is a backtrace as sent by Mikus, would could not >> run Helpfr on devxo-1. >> >> Thanks again! > > Just a sanity check. You're aware the new Browse code will not run on > the old/existing 8.2.x OLPC distros? Basically, to my knowledge, a lump > of code called hulahop sits between mozilla code and Browse. New > releases of mozilla code, required changes hulahop, which caused the > break in backwards compatibility. > > So... My understanding is that if you want Helpfr working on both 8.2.x > OLPC distros, and the Strawberry SoaS distro, you will need to make > available 2 different versions of Helpfr (one for old mozilla + hulahop > release, and one for current mozilla + hulahop release). > > Regards, > --Gary > > P.S. Maybe (and with much pain, anguish, and debugging) there's some > magic way of including both versions of the hulahop library in Browse, > and 2 sets of glue code in Browse to talk to hulahop, depending on the > version of mozilla installed in the OS. But that's a big "ouch" and a > tone of maintenance. Likely a lot simpler providing 2 Helpfr Activites > via activities.sugarlabs.org for old and new Sugar users. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
Sayamindu: maybe we can meet on #sugar and interact while you're making this change about Helpfr? I'm curious what part of it I can understand with my very basic knowledge of python... Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
I've digged thru the activities and I found that SocialCalc was using
hulahop as well. SocialCalc is running fine on my sugar-jhbuild so I
thought I could just try to understand how to start a hulahop instance
from the code there.
I attach the result of this experiment. This is the *simplest* python
file I could write -- I tried to stick to things I understand.
Sadly enough, this won't run.
The thing I don't understand is xpcom: what does it? why Webview
requires it? how should I fix my code so that it's properly used?
Ok, maybe I'm searching in the wrong direction -- so any feedback is
*very* welcome!
Thanks,
from sugar.activity import activity
from sugar import env
import os
import gtk
import hulahop
from sugar.activity.activity import get_bundle_path
from hulahop.webview import WebView
from xpcom import components
class Help:
def __init__(self, uri=None):
if uri:
self.uri = uri
else:
self.uri = 'file://' + get_bundle_path() + '/help/index.html';
def create_webview(self):
web_view = WebView()
web_view.load_uri(self.uri)
web_view.show()
return web_view
class HelpfrActivity (activity.Activity):
def __init__(self, handle):
activity.Activity.__init__(self, handle)
self.set_title('Helpfr')
# load the default page
self.help = Help()
# toolbox = activity.ActivityToolbox(self)
# self.set_toolbox(toolbox)
# toolbox.show()
self.set_canvas( self.help.create_webview() )
--
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes: > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/helpfr/repos/sayamindus-clone and > see if it works for you. It works fine! This is super-nice, thanks. And I even learned some stuff in the process... great. > If it works, we can probably merge this clone into mainline. I'm just doing this right now. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Hi Jim and Sugar, yet another quick-and-modest video preview about Read Etext: http://vimeo.com/5757068 I *love* this activity, thanks for it! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Jim Simmons writes: > Nice video. Caroline was interested in creating a video about reading > in general in Sugar, so I am copying her on this because it might be > of interest. Great - note that my videos are just quick preview, "teasing" the user. If we want more elaborate stuff we should certainly discuss a bit more on how to do this. > Glad you like the Activity. I should be releasing a new version that > fully supports annotations and highlighting soon. Can't wait for that! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Jim Simmons writes: > What software do you use to create a video like this? I use gtk-recordmydesktop, a frontend to recordmydesktop, under Debian testing (Squeeze). Simple but effective! http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Sameer Verma writes: > http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php > > Ah! Neat. I've used gtkrecordmydesktop several times. Does Vimeo > accept the Ogg output as is, or do you have to convert it? I think Vimeo doesn't accept .ogv, I convert it like this: mencoder video.ogv -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=1 -o video.avi -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?
Jim Simmons writes: > 1). Bastien's Read Etexts video became an Internet sensation. Hey, > he did a nice job! My video has been viewed only 10 times so far, so you can drop this interpretation :) > 2). Something is wrong at ASLO > > These two Activities seem to be the only ones with scores this high. I wouldn't be surprised that these numbers are accurate... > Get Internet Archive Books didn't get many downloads. Wait for the next screencast :) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?
Gary C Martin writes: > On 26 Jul 2009, at 21:43, Bastien wrote: > >> Jim Simmons writes: >> >>> 1). Bastien's Read Etexts video became an Internet sensation. Hey, >>> he did a nice job! >> >> My video has been viewed only 10 times so far, so you can drop this >> interpretation :) > > So how do you know those 10 times didn't each get each get shown to a > school assembly of 500 kids a pop? OK, so one of them was mine, so -500 > kids ;-) Or maybe it got projected in... the Hole in the Wall? http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Hi Caroline, Caroline Meeks writes: > Can we get one with childrens books demoed? Sure! Can you send me a link to such a book in Gutenberg? > I think also skip the downloading > from the activities portal, that is a separate video. Once you know how to do > that it will be boring to have to watch it for every activity. Right. I will make another video demoing a child book and skipping the download step when Jim releases the version with annotation etc. > Also it seemed to cut off just when it was going to get exciting Were you > going to join the shared activity? That would make even more sense when we'll be able to share annotations on the book. > Dave C is a volunteer with video skills. Maybe you guys could work together to > create a video with some music and such? I'd be glad, sure! Thanks for the feedback, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Jim Simmons writes: > What might be more suited to Caroline's purposes is a demo of Get > Internet Archive Books, followed by demoing reading the downloaded > book in Read. In Fedora 11 I can use the Read Activity (I couldn't in > any other Sugar test environment I ever had). The advantage of doing > this is the books have pictures. I downloaded latest version of GIAB from activities.sugarlabs.org. I downloaded a few books in .djvu format (it seems this is the main format available in Internet Archive) but couldn't open it in Read. Shall I search for other books in other formats? > Caroline is trying to sell Sugar itself, so we want to show reading > for children at it's best. Since Gutenberg etexts are without > pictures, plus we would have to explain why it is that we have more > than one Activity for reading (something there is no need for them to > know at this time) I think this is the way to go. So do I. > If you go to the Internet Archive website you should be able to get a > list of children's books that you could search for with GIAB. > Caroline might suggest some that are not controversial. I just found > out that the Oz books have been banned in a few places. There is a > book "Abroad" which is quite beautiful and might be considered for a > demo. Caroline, can you provide a link to such a book in IA, one that I read in Read? Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Caroline Meeks writes: > Sounds like you guys are on the right track. I won't be available for the next three weeks, so forgive my lack of response during this time. I will be able to work back again on this in late august -- but you're welcome to make it without me :) Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Hi Jim, Jim Simmons writes: > To open a djvu file in evince you need a plugin. This plugin is > included in Fedora but not installed by default. I would guess the > situation is similar in other distros. In Fedora I would do a yum > search on "djvu" or "evince" to find it. I'm running sugar-jhbuild, so I'll need to try first to support .djvu in evince then recompile sugar-jhbuild. Thanks for the directions. > If that doesn't work you can download a PDF instead. All IA books > should be available in that format as well. Maybe a filter in GIAB would be nice, so that we can pick up .pdf files or .djvu files only. best, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Jim Simmons writes: > There is a tag cloud for the Children's collection which is kind of neat: > > http://www.archive.org/browse.php?field=/metadata/subject&collection=iacl&view=cloud > > The Children's Library: > > http://www.archive.org/details/iacl Neat links actually! I got lost in "Birds"... trying to improving my english :) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.
Tomeu Vizoso writes: > To be clear, I'm not positively pushing for Qt, but I have invested my > own time so that people that have a value proposition can bring it on > more easily. A feeling I have developed during my work on Sugar is > that people block because think things are harder than they really > are. Those who have a good idea of the difficulty can make a first > step showing how it can be done. I second this way of thinking. I'm not a Sugar developer, but I'm willing to learn. Knowing that things are achievable with various libraries (Qt/GTK) or technologies (Gecko/WebKit) is key in feeling that I can choose my own path, or switch to the one that's easier for me (because I met a pygtk developer last week, or a Qt fan yesterday, etc.) To leave doors open is another way of lowering the entrance barriers. What goes into the Sugar core system is another issue IMHO. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development
Caroline Meeks writes: > I personally don't hear the voice of the XO deployments saying what is > needed for them. When I was in Haiti, being able to interact with Greg was really helpful. I knew there was someone I could nag about things that bothered me with the XOs and Sugar, and I knew he'd give weight to my feedback in the Sugar community. Maybe Sugar should define such a "role" (does it have a name?) Daniel, do you think that could help? Of course, deployments should also have someone whose job is to give such feedback. But usually it's de facto the guy who best knows GNU/Linux and Sugar. If such a role is defined, I volunteer to take it from september till the end of november. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development
Tomeu Vizoso writes: > About having a person at every deployment, some months ago I started > creating this list of contacts: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Places Thanks for the reminder. My idea was more to have only *one* person in Sugar responsible to get/filter/dispatch deployments feedback - just as Greg was answering requests from various horizons (cc'ing Greg to this thread.) > Maybe this time we'll have more luck having people listed there? Yes - but I'm afraid having the role I mention above is the only way to "activate" the list in Deployment_Team/Places > Btw, why is this thread in sugar-devel instead of in IAEP? (Well, I'm just a bit cautious about threads jumps...) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development
Bastien writes: > Greg was answering requests from various horizons (cc'ing Greg to this > thread.) (Oops, I forgot to Cc Greg, sorry!) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] community influence on development
Walter Bender writes: > Maybe someone more > deployment oriented should run for the Oversight Board to ensure we > have better representation there > (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates). I jumped in. I hesitated because I won't be reachable from now till August, 17th, and I will be poorly connected till the end of August. Let me know if that makes my application irrelevant. Regards, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] translate.sugarlabs.org down?
I cannot access to http://translate.sugarlabs.org but the rest of the website is running fine. Ideas? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] translate.sugarlabs.org down?
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes: > Could you check if it is working for you now ? Nope... -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar
After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. They will make an update - stay tuned. Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar
Bill Kerr writes: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien wrote: > > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. > > They will make an update - stay tuned. > > the picture is gone but the words are still there: This is good. > As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project -- if > it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into Microsoft > dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where the world would > be better off if the OLPC project had never existed > > still over zealous, purist and FUD The FSF proposition is a normative judgement. For me I concentrate on fixing factual errors, not such judgements above, as I think it's just a time-sink. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Deployment Team meeting on Wednesday September 2nd - 14:00 UTC
Pilar Saenz writes: > Next deployment team meeting Wednesday September 2nd - at 14 UTC (9 EST) on > irc.freenode.net (English channel: #sugar-meeting Spanish channel: > #sugar-reunion). This date I cannot attend, I will be in a plane. Maybe next time we should use a service like http://www.doodle.com to try to find the best match (not to say that this date is not the best match, of course...) Best, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
"Art Hunkins" writes: > +1 > > I think the alerts are a pain and an unwelcome interruption of a train of > thought. Almost as much of a pain as Windows popups. +1 Or maybe move it at the beginning of an activity session. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Answering teacher and other users questions on Launchpad
Caroline Meeks writes: > If you'd like to answer user questions please > consider subscribing here. > > https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact Done. I also added "french" as my favorite language for questions, I will redirect french people with questions to launchpad. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Ooo4Kids in several languages - how to let it appear on aslo?
Dear all, I just uploaded Ooo4Kids 0.5.1 on aslo: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/fr/sugar/addon/4241 There is an spanish version here: http://download.ooo4kids.org/es/descargar-ooo4kids-xo-intel How to host this spanish version on aslo? Should I make another activity, or is it possible to upload several "branches"? Thanks for any hint! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] aslo API?
Hi sugaristas, is there an API to access content from aslo? The purpose is to retrieve information from all activities to display them on an offline web page. And maybe to play with a nicer way of searching through all this content. Thanks in advance, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO
Walter Bender writes: > I tried it (from Ubuntu instead of F10) and it seems to work > "flawlessly"!! I've documented what I did in the wiki: > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC This is nice. I'd like to translate this page into french - any way to host a translation on the SugarLabs wiki? (Maybe something similar to what wiki.laptop.org offered?) best, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO
Tomeu Vizoso writes: >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC > > Thanks a lot, have improved a bit the Spanish translation, though help > is needed to further polish it. I just added a french translation. It would be nice to have a page on the SugarLabs wiki listing the pages that need to be translated. Shall I open it? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO
Walter Bender writes: > +1 http://sugarlabs.org/go/Translation Maybe "Translation" is not the best choice for naming this page. Feel free to modify it. I tried to figure out where to put this in the "To Do list" page, but couldn't find anything really useful. > First on the list is the Downloads page itself. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/lang-fr -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] InfoSlicer-4
Aleksey Lim writes: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4042 I just updated http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/InfoSlicer so that it points to the latest release. I also noticed that the add-on page doesn't point to the git repo of the activity: maybe that'd be a useful piece of information here? And the project page on the git repo could mention the add-on and the wiki page of the activity. My 2 cts - regards, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Hi all, I subscribed yesterday to the Sugarlabs gitorious. I don't plan to actively develop an activity, but I can help with the translation of some. Asking each maintainer for commit access is too much overhead for a small contribution in *many* projects. Is there a way to be trusted at once for more than one activity, to have commit access for a group of them? Shall I ask the gitorious guys instead for such a mechanism? Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] InfoSlicer-4
Aleksey Lim writes: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4042 Please find a fr.po for Infoslicer. fr.po Description: Binary data -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Aleksey Lim writes: >> Is there a way to be trusted at once for more than one activity, to >> have commit access for a group of them? Shall I ask the gitorious >> guys instead for such a mechanism? > in case of translation - there is pootle server[1] and it commits all > translations via pootle user in gitorious. You could translate activities > by using pootle interface. I'm familiar with the Pootle OLPC server but my understanding was that the gitorious page had more activities. For example, where do I find the InfoSlicer activity on Pootle? (Btw, I'm not that comfy with the Pootle interface: I find it's good for collaboration but too heavy for fast translation of small files.) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] InfoSlicer-4
Aleksey Lim writes: >> And the project page on the git repo could mention the add-on and the >> wiki page of the activity. > in my mind, aslo page is more like a user-land page it just points to > dev-land page on wiki(and wiki page points to git repo and vice versa) Fair enough. I still think it's better to densify links between those pages. After all, don't we want users to be potential devs? -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Patch against fr.po for readetexts
Here it is. diff --git a/po/fr.po b/po/fr.po index 6761632..af8d6b1 100644 --- a/po/fr.po +++ b/po/fr.po @@ -8,8 +8,8 @@ msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2009-02-19 18:25-0600\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2009-02-19 18:32-0600\n" -"Last-Translator: James Simmons \n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2009-03-15 19:44+0100\n" +"Last-Translator: Bastien Guerry \n" "Language-Team: French\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" @@ -22,11 +22,11 @@ msgstr "Lecture" #: ReadEtextsActivity.py:147 msgid "Edit" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Editer" #: ReadEtextsActivity.py:152 msgid "Read" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Lire" #: ReadEtextsActivity.py:157 msgid "View" @@ -34,11 +34,11 @@ msgstr "Vue" #: ReadEtextsActivity.py:163 msgid "Speech" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Parler" #: ReadEtextsActivity.py:228 msgid "Choose document" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Choisir un document" #: readtoolbar.py:43 msgid "Back" @@ -50,11 +50,11 @@ msgstr "Avancer" #: readtoolbar.py:159 msgid "Zoom out" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Dézoomer" #: readtoolbar.py:165 msgid "Zoom in" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Zoomer" #: readtoolbar.py:205 msgid "Previous" @@ -66,8 +66,8 @@ msgstr "Suivant" #: readtoolbar.py:312 msgid "pitch adjusted" -msgstr "" +msgstr "hauteur ajustée" #: readtoolbar.py:316 msgid "rate adjusted" -msgstr "" +msgstr "taux ajusté" -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Patch against fr.po for viewslides
Here it is. diff --git a/po/fr.po b/po/fr.po index 85009fa..2b112db 100644 --- a/po/fr.po +++ b/po/fr.po @@ -8,8 +8,8 @@ msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2009-02-22 13:44-0600\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2009-02-22 17:49-0600\n" -"Last-Translator: James Simmons \n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2009-03-15 19:43+0100\n" +"Last-Translator: Bastien Guerry \n" "Language-Team: French\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ASCII\n" @@ -18,20 +18,20 @@ msgstr "" #: activity/activity.info:2 msgid "View Slides" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Voir les diapositives" #: viewslides.py:82 msgid "Read" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Lire" #: viewslides.py:161 msgid "Choose document" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Choisir un document" #: readtoolbar.py:36 msgid "Back" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Retour" #: readtoolbar.py:43 msgid "Forward" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Suite" -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Luke Faraone writes: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bastien > wrote: > > I'm familiar with the Pootle OLPC server but my understanding was that > the gitorious page had more activities. > > Correct, however we have a reason to use Pootle: it greatly eases coordination > with multiple translators. All apps on Gitorious should have Pootle entries if > they are l18n'd. The fact that InfoSlicer doesn't is a bug, and it should be > added. Who as the keys for adding an activity in OLPC Pootle? Sayamindu? (As I said, I know what Pootle is good for, but I still don't like it. Would be nice to ease things for people who don't want to use it, and for activities that are not in it.) Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Hi Edward, Edward Cherlin writes: >> (As I said, I know what Pootle is good for, but I still don't like it. >> Would be nice to ease things for people who don't want to use it, and >> for activities that are not in it.) > > You can download the .po files and localize offline. Pootle is best > for occasional contributors who don't want to install any offline > apparatus or have to verify file formats. Talk with Syamindu about the > processes, including merging back. I'm aware of this workaround, and this is what I'm doing now, thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Aleksey Lim writes: > another straightforward way is creating ticket on dev.sugarlabs.org > with attached .po patch Well, `git push' looks more straightforward to me :) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Luke Faraone writes: > Regardless of whatever looks more straightforward to you, we're looking to > implement a system that can be used by even non-technical people. It is better > to fix the underlying problem (not being in Pootle) that would allow for > collaboration by all translators than to grant push rights to all > translators. Right. It's a matter of priority, isn't it? First put as many activities as you can in Pootle, so that non-technical people can contribute. Then try to ease life of contributors that don't want to use the Pootle. I'm not arguing about these priorities, they are sound. But IMHO, actual contributors deserve as much attention as potential newbies :) I was just wondering whether gitorious let you give commit access for a group of projects/activities, thinking that this would be useful. The answer can be "No, it's not possible." or "No, it's not possible, but that might be useful, we'll see what can be done." -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Access to multiple repos in SugarLabs gitorious
Thanks Chris for clarifying this. IIUC the documentation for the localization could have three parts: 1. l10n for Pootle admins 2. l10n for activity developers 3. l10n for other contributors The (1) would explain, among other stuff, the interaction between the Pootle server and the user:pootle on gitorious. The (2) would explain how to handle this interaction for the devs. The (3) would guide the user through the various ways of contributing to the translation, from the easiest to the geekiest. - Translation via the Pootle server - Translation by sending a language.po file - Translation by sending a patch - Translation by gaining commit access on a project Even for the user, I think it's very important to make it clear that these various ways are not in conflict. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Status of Pootle
Gary C Martin writes: > Have a quick question: The translation set-up as I understand it is > still 'push' only; that is to say once your Activity is in Pootle you > can't make any changes to your activities /po files, as they will just > get overwritten next time there is a push by Pootle to your git rep. > You did mention once that you were considering the changes needed to > get Pootle to try and merge in changes, any thoughts/progress on that > front? Shouldn't the user:pootle handle its own clones and send merge requests? Maybe that's too much data duplication, but at leat the process would be crystal-clear, and the maintainers would stay in control. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-03-10
Walter Bender writes: > === Sugar Digest === > > 1. Now that the Sugar community and the Release Team have wrapped up > 0.84, it is time to talk about our “Big Overarching Vision Goals for > 2009” I've written some notes in order to kick off the discussion. > > '''What are our objectives?''' I've translate most of this post into french and post it on OLPC France's blog: http://olpc-france.org/blog/?p=201 -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Where does Browse store downloads?
The subject says it all: where does Browse store downloads? I have downloaded a .tar.gz file. I can't seem to find it. I've looked through .mozilla/* and .sugar/data/* but didn't find anything useful. Hint? PS: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Browse#Downloads is corrupted. -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions
Hi all, I'm using sugar-jhbuild to run Sugar on my laptop. I've cloned the repository from here: git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-jhbuild/mainline.git When building, it complains about missing openssl, while I do have openssl on my laptop (Ubuntu Hardy Heron). But then it's running fine. I manually installed some activities in the `source/' directory, but The system seems to ignore them and rebuilding doesn't help. How do I add new activities when using sugar-jhbuild ? Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
