[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1203
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Toseland wrote: > Freenet 0.7 build 1203 is now available. Please upgrade. > > The main change in 1203 is that history cloaking is removed. It is very messy > code-wise and does not really solve the problem - for example, if a user > posted the key for something they had inserted, and forgot to remove > the ?secureid= added by history cloaking, a malicious website could then > probe for that key with the secureid. > > The real solution to browser history stealing is simply to use a separate > browser for Freenet than the one you use for the wider web. We now warn users > about this at the beginning of the first time wizard. ^^ That is one more reason for the suggestion of a separate UI that I made on freenet.uservoice.com. And I feel that I have to restate what I said there to prefer XUL for such a client as for the following reasons: 1.) widely used already (stable language, although not community driven) 2.) easy to learn (it's just some XML paired with ECMA-Script - even a lazy JEE/web developer like me was able to master that) 3.) common look and feel intregrated (most of the users already use some other XUL based apps like Firefox, Thunderbird, aso.) 4.) easy to extend (regarding to plugins, extensions, themes, aso.) 5.) runs on nearly every platform > There are also some > German translation updates by an anonymous contributor, and some work on the > README and the website. > > Apart from the above, Zero3 has started to commit his new windows installer. > saces has continued to work on his wxFCP project, which hopefully will result > in a custom browser for Freenet, which we may or may not use when it is > finished, and robert has committed a spec file for generating RPMs for > Freenet. ^^ RPM? I would rather need DEB or S5R4 datastreams. JRPM over at sourceforge is a straight forward library for creating/parsing RPMs regardless of the platform it runs on. The software I'm developing on at work makes extensive use of the JRPM library and it is used in many production systems so it can be considered as stable. Also it supports noarch packages. I was already about to start working on something similar for Solaris PKG, as the very basics (CPIO streams) is the same in both the RPM and S5R4 package system. Only the stuff around that differs a lot but even on windows one can unpack a datastream PKG with the standalone windows builds of GNU dd and cpio. So there's not much magic. I don't like projects that deliver just one package format (and RPM is really not my favorite one). When you are planning to release freenet in package formats please do it for all or for none. But I would suspect that creating a good MSI would be the hardest task anyway. Greetz, AncoL > > 1202 was related to history cloaking (making it configurable), and 1201 fixed > a bug causing the activelinks enabled setting not to be read on startup. > > If you find any bugs, please report them on the bug tracker: > https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ > > Thanks. > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl485QACgkQHwxOsqv2bG3R6wCeMSd/xhz33Lp4VltG1tx31mwQ XWQAoMWo3uDplXNLHTsTuiV2mMfA5rDV =kzG2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[freenet-support] freenet stops running
On Thursday 22 January 2009 12:59, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 22 January 2009 03:58, Dennis Nezic wrote: > > > > My main point in my last post was a suggestion to have the error > > > > message more informative. As another example, have it output it's > > > > memory/cpu usage before it shuts itself down, in the case of the > > > > deadlock I mentioned. > > > > > > How do we get CPU usage from java? We can say how much memory is in > > > use, how many threads are running, get a thread dump... > > > > Well--if the node knows enough to say that it is in a deadlock, and if > > it still has enough control over itself to be able to shut itself down > > cleanly, surely there is something it can do to investigate itself > > before doing so? Currently the messages do not appear to be helping us > > at all. Before shutting itself down in such deadlocks/freezes, it should > > at least output a thread-dump, and it's memory stats, if not a > > deeper/clearer analysis of what in particular, within MessageCore or > > PacketSender, is causing the problem. > > I agree we could do a stack dump, I thought we did. We do in fact do a thread/stack dump according to the code, assuming we're running under the wrapper. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20090122/c105a76e/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
On Thursday 22 January 2009 14:24:36 mihail at riseup.net wrote: > I have also posted problems about trying to get Freenet installed on > Vista. Looking forward to the new version and getting going ... > > > On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:53, Tomas Gutierrez wrote: > >> Dear friends, I thank you Please note, that a subject line as "Mr. T needs advice" in a mailing list is not very good, as subject lines in mailing lists are used when other people are searching e.g. google in order to solve their problems, so please in the future use a more explaining text in your subject lines - thanks :-) Here below is a link you might skim - thanks: http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_nq.htm
[freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
I have also posted problems about trying to get Freenet installed on Vista. Looking forward to the new version and getting going ... > On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:53, Tomas Gutierrez wrote: >> Dear friends, I thank you in advance for any support I get. Although I >> am >> not that computer illiterate, I am new to Freenet and its language, so I >> request a measure of patience with me. >> >> My computer is a duo core, 31/2 gigs of RAM and a 500 gig hard drive. I >> am >> connected via a Lynksis router to cable Internet. >> >> After installing Freenet 7, my browser (IE) opened up advising me to >> change >> browsers, and there and then I supposed I was connected; then I did some >> searching, getting some results, but because I do not know how to >> download >> yet, I shut it off. When I tried to start again using the "Start >> Freenet" >> icon on my desktop, I got the following response: "System error 5 has >> occurred" "Access is denied" "Press any key to continue" > > You are using Vista. Freenet, like hundreds of other applications, has > some > problems on Vista. A new installer will be released in the not too distant > future that will avoid this. >> >> I thought then that my router needs some configuration, but, since I am >> not >> sure I thought I get some advice. >> >> Mr. T > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] freenet stops running
; > - Get db4o sorted and merged. > > - Sort out plugins (IMHO important for 0.8). > > - Auto-update (and update.* update) the seednodes file. > > - Maybe new metadata (IMHO the assumptions underlying this item may > > no longer be valid...) > > > > > > > Seriously, EVERY time I have investigated these sorts of issues > > > > the answer has been either that it is showing constant Full GC's > > > > because it has slightly too little memory, or that there is > > > > external CPU load. Are you absolutely completely totally > > > > 100% sure that that is not the problem? > > > > AFAICS there are two posters here, and just because one of them is > > > > sure that the problem isn't memory doesn't necessarily mean that > > > > the other one's problems are not due to memory?? > > > > > > There are reports on FMS of people with gigs of ram, and powerful > > > machines, with crashing nodes. > > > > Just because they have lots of RAM doesn't mean they've set the > > wrapper memory limit that high. > > They did. Out of 2G, they set it to 500M. And it still kept crashing. > Though, this was a few weeks ago. (Early January.) With big download queues? Big datastores? > > > > Though, I'm not sure if it's the same > > > problem, as my node hasn't really crashed this time--it just shut > > > itself down. (Before I would get JVM hung errors, without any clean > > > shut downs.) > > > > This is closely related IMHO. > > It feels that way to me too. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20090122/5c6ece78/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:53, Tomas Gutierrez wrote: > Dear friends, I thank you in advance for any support I get. Although I am > not that computer illiterate, I am new to Freenet and its language, so I > request a measure of patience with me. > > My computer is a duo core, 31/2 gigs of RAM and a 500 gig hard drive. I am > connected via a Lynksis router to cable Internet. > > After installing Freenet 7, my browser (IE) opened up advising me to change > browsers, and there and then I supposed I was connected; then I did some > searching, getting some results, but because I do not know how to download > yet, I shut it off. When I tried to start again using the "Start Freenet" > icon on my desktop, I got the following response: "System error 5 has > occurred" "Access is denied" "Press any key to continue" You are using Vista. Freenet, like hundreds of other applications, has some problems on Vista. A new installer will be released in the not too distant future that will avoid this. > > I thought then that my router needs some configuration, but, since I am not > sure I thought I get some advice. > > Mr. T -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20090122/56754bbc/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
Dear friends, I thank you in advance for any support I get. Although I am not that computer illiterate, I am new to Freenet and its language, so I request a measure of patience with me. My computer is a duo core, 31/2 gigs of RAM and a 500 gig hard drive. I am connected via a Lynksis router to cable Internet. After installing Freenet 7, my browser (IE) opened up advising me to change browsers, and there and then I supposed I was connected; then I did some searching, getting some results, but because I do not know how to download yet, I shut it off. When I tried to start again using the "Start Freenet" icon on my desktop, I got the following response: "System error 5 has occurred" "Access is denied" "Press any key to continue" I thought then that my router needs some configuration, but, since I am not sure I thought I get some advice. Mr. T -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20090122/e008e875/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
Dear friends, I thank you in advance for any support I get. Although I am not that computer illiterate, I am new to Freenet and its language, so I request a measure of patience with me. My computer is a duo core, 31/2 gigs of RAM and a 500 gig hard drive. I am connected via a Lynksis router to cable Internet. After installing Freenet 7, my browser (IE) opened up advising me to change browsers, and there and then I supposed I was connected; then I did some searching, getting some results, but because I do not know how to download yet, I shut it off. When I tried to start again using the Start Freenet icon on my desktop, I got the following response: System error 5 has occurred Access is denied Press any key to continue I thought then that my router needs some configuration, but, since I am not sure I thought I get some advice. Mr. T ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet stops running
On Thursday 22 January 2009 03:58, Dennis Nezic wrote: My main point in my last post was a suggestion to have the error message more informative. As another example, have it output it's memory/cpu usage before it shuts itself down, in the case of the deadlock I mentioned. How do we get CPU usage from java? We can say how much memory is in use, how many threads are running, get a thread dump... Well--if the node knows enough to say that it is in a deadlock, and if it still has enough control over itself to be able to shut itself down cleanly, surely there is something it can do to investigate itself before doing so? Currently the messages do not appear to be helping us at all. Before shutting itself down in such deadlocks/freezes, it should at least output a thread-dump, and it's memory stats, if not a deeper/clearer analysis of what in particular, within MessageCore or PacketSender, is causing the problem. I agree we could do a stack dump, I thought we did. Also, why is there such a high requirement?? Why on earth is 100MB memory not enough? If it can't allocate any more memory, it should wait or throttle itself. Restricting freenet to the latest unecessary super-computers is dumb. (It really should be developed on a 486.) Because it has a lot of stuff to track. :|. A megabyte is pretty big. A hundred megabytes is huge. How much data (CHKs) does it really need to hold in memory. Though we're digressing a little since I don't believe memory is a problem with me in this particular case. (I have it set to 200MB now.) We do not hold CHKs in memory except when we are transferring data. However, we do need to track a vast number of them (even with a block size of 32K). People propose rewriting Freenet in kernel-mode C with 1KB blocks every so often, as an example. That means 32X more disk seeks, 32X bigger bloom filter, and so on; it's not feasible. Why 1K blocks? (A c implementation would be great though! :) IMHO it would not achieve the order of magnitude improvement that everyone assumes it would. To take an analogy, a number field sieve is vastly faster than trying to factor every even number, even if the former is coded in java and the latter in assembler. It's the algorithms, stupid!. Also java *does* have some significant performance advantages in some areas (memory management, function calls), as well as disadvantages in other areas. Memory requirements depend on two things: - The datastore. The bdbje datastore uses a significant amount of memory, with significant churn, inside the JVM's allocated space; the salted hash datastore uses very little memory inside the memory limits but uses 1/2048th of the store outside of the limits as a memory mapped bloom filter to limit I/O. - Client layer activity. Lots of large downloads use lots of memory, uploads use even more (because of inefficient architecture). Why are large file transfers worse than small file transfers? (And why are uploads any different than downloads, aside from the fact that we have to initially package the file for distribution.) Aren't transfers done in segments? For example, why can't it work on transferring 10MB segments at a time--that is, restricting it's memory usage per file transfer to 10MB (or whatever similarly effective yet small size)--and thus treating 2000MB files the same as 20MB files... both sailing along 10MB at a time? Because that's not the most effective way to fetch blocks from the network! To some degree we do fetch segment-wise in the db4o branch as an optimisation, but we still need to track every key. Even on the db4o branch, we need to be able to quickly determine Am I interested in key K?, if it is offered to us, if another node fetches it through us, etc. On the db4o branch we use bloom filters, approx 3.7MB per 10GB queued data; we keep a bloom filter in RAM for every download, and use that to quickly determine whether a block is of interest. This greatly reduces the number of database queries (= many disk seeks) we have to do, since the actual details of the downloads are not kept in RAM on the db4o branch. With regards to uploads, the current code (including on the db4o branch) for uploads is somewhat less efficient than the code for downloads. It's something that I may or may not resolve before db4o is merged. When is the db4o stuff expected to be released? When I get around to it. :| The immediate todo: - Release 1203 - Implement basic progress screen. - Get db4o sorted and merged. - Sort out plugins (IMHO important for 0.8). - Auto-update (and update.* update) the seednodes file. - Maybe new metadata (IMHO the assumptions underlying this item may no longer be valid...) Seriously, EVERY time I have investigated these sorts of issues the answer has been either that it is showing constant Full GC's because it has slightly too little memory, or that
Re: [freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
I have also posted problems about trying to get Freenet installed on Vista. Looking forward to the new version and getting going ... On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:53, Tomas Gutierrez wrote: Dear friends, I thank you in advance for any support I get. Although I am not that computer illiterate, I am new to Freenet and its language, so I request a measure of patience with me. My computer is a duo core, 31/2 gigs of RAM and a 500 gig hard drive. I am connected via a Lynksis router to cable Internet. After installing Freenet 7, my browser (IE) opened up advising me to change browsers, and there and then I supposed I was connected; then I did some searching, getting some results, but because I do not know how to download yet, I shut it off. When I tried to start again using the Start Freenet icon on my desktop, I got the following response: System error 5 has occurred Access is denied Press any key to continue You are using Vista. Freenet, like hundreds of other applications, has some problems on Vista. A new installer will be released in the not too distant future that will avoid this. I thought then that my router needs some configuration, but, since I am not sure I thought I get some advice. Mr. T ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Mr. T needs advice
On Thursday 22 January 2009 14:24:36 mih...@riseup.net wrote: I have also posted problems about trying to get Freenet installed on Vista. Looking forward to the new version and getting going ... On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:53, Tomas Gutierrez wrote: Dear friends, I thank you Please note, that a subject line as Mr. T needs advice in a mailing list is not very good, as subject lines in mailing lists are used when other people are searching e.g. google in order to solve their problems, so please in the future use a more explaining text in your subject lines - thanks :-) Here below is a link you might skim - thanks: http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_nq.htm ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet stops running
On Thursday 22 January 2009 12:59, Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 22 January 2009 03:58, Dennis Nezic wrote: My main point in my last post was a suggestion to have the error message more informative. As another example, have it output it's memory/cpu usage before it shuts itself down, in the case of the deadlock I mentioned. How do we get CPU usage from java? We can say how much memory is in use, how many threads are running, get a thread dump... Well--if the node knows enough to say that it is in a deadlock, and if it still has enough control over itself to be able to shut itself down cleanly, surely there is something it can do to investigate itself before doing so? Currently the messages do not appear to be helping us at all. Before shutting itself down in such deadlocks/freezes, it should at least output a thread-dump, and it's memory stats, if not a deeper/clearer analysis of what in particular, within MessageCore or PacketSender, is causing the problem. I agree we could do a stack dump, I thought we did. We do in fact do a thread/stack dump according to the code, assuming we're running under the wrapper. pgpqz6YihdVAm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1203
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Toseland wrote: Freenet 0.7 build 1203 is now available. Please upgrade. The main change in 1203 is that history cloaking is removed. It is very messy code-wise and does not really solve the problem - for example, if a user posted the key for something they had inserted, and forgot to remove the ?secureid= added by history cloaking, a malicious website could then probe for that key with the secureid. The real solution to browser history stealing is simply to use a separate browser for Freenet than the one you use for the wider web. We now warn users about this at the beginning of the first time wizard. ^^ That is one more reason for the suggestion of a separate UI that I made on freenet.uservoice.com. And I feel that I have to restate what I said there to prefer XUL for such a client as for the following reasons: 1.) widely used already (stable language, although not community driven) 2.) easy to learn (it's just some XML paired with ECMA-Script - even a lazy JEE/web developer like me was able to master that) 3.) common look and feel intregrated (most of the users already use some other XUL based apps like Firefox, Thunderbird, aso.) 4.) easy to extend (regarding to plugins, extensions, themes, aso.) 5.) runs on nearly every platform There are also some German translation updates by an anonymous contributor, and some work on the README and the website. Apart from the above, Zero3 has started to commit his new windows installer. saces has continued to work on his wxFCP project, which hopefully will result in a custom browser for Freenet, which we may or may not use when it is finished, and robert has committed a spec file for generating RPMs for Freenet. ^^ RPM? I would rather need DEB or S5R4 datastreams. JRPM over at sourceforge is a straight forward library for creating/parsing RPMs regardless of the platform it runs on. The software I'm developing on at work makes extensive use of the JRPM library and it is used in many production systems so it can be considered as stable. Also it supports noarch packages. I was already about to start working on something similar for Solaris PKG, as the very basics (CPIO streams) is the same in both the RPM and S5R4 package system. Only the stuff around that differs a lot but even on windows one can unpack a datastream PKG with the standalone windows builds of GNU dd and cpio. So there's not much magic. I don't like projects that deliver just one package format (and RPM is really not my favorite one). When you are planning to release freenet in package formats please do it for all or for none. But I would suspect that creating a good MSI would be the hardest task anyway. Greetz, AncoL 1202 was related to history cloaking (making it configurable), and 1201 fixed a bug causing the activelinks enabled setting not to be read on startup. If you find any bugs, please report them on the bug tracker: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ Thanks. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl485QACgkQHwxOsqv2bG3R6wCeMSd/xhz33Lp4VltG1tx31mwQ XWQAoMWo3uDplXNLHTsTuiV2mMfA5rDV =kzG2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1203
On Thursday 22 January 2009 22:30, Ancoron Luciferis wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: Freenet 0.7 build 1203 is now available. Please upgrade. The main change in 1203 is that history cloaking is removed. It is very messy code-wise and does not really solve the problem - for example, if a user posted the key for something they had inserted, and forgot to remove the ?secureid= added by history cloaking, a malicious website could then probe for that key with the secureid. The real solution to browser history stealing is simply to use a separate browser for Freenet than the one you use for the wider web. We now warn users about this at the beginning of the first time wizard. ^^ That is one more reason for the suggestion of a separate UI that I made on freenet.uservoice.com. This is now largely accepted in the development team as a long-term goal. saces is working on something like this based on wxWindows. However, a dedicated browser/client (somewhere in between probably, e.g. there is no point in converting all the config pages to tabbed dialogs) would likely be a significant amount of work and require a significant amount of maintenance. So it's not a priority for 0.8.0. And I feel that I have to restate what I said there to prefer XUL for such a client as for the following reasons: 1.) widely used already (stable language, although not community driven) 2.) easy to learn (it's just some XML paired with ECMA-Script - even a lazy JEE/web developer like me was able to master that) We do actually need some help with javascript, I don't know js... 3.) common look and feel intregrated (most of the users already use some other XUL based apps like Firefox, Thunderbird, aso.) 4.) easy to extend (regarding to plugins, extensions, themes, aso.) It will probably require some C++ (or java with mozswing) code, we would want it to speak FCP for various reasons, and we'd want callbacks from incoming FCP packets to some UI elements. 5.) runs on nearly every platform There are also some German translation updates by an anonymous contributor, and some work on the README and the website. Apart from the above, Zero3 has started to commit his new windows installer. saces has continued to work on his wxFCP project, which hopefully will result in a custom browser for Freenet, which we may or may not use when it is finished, and robert has committed a spec file for generating RPMs for Freenet. ^^ RPM? I would rather need DEB or S5R4 datastreams. JRPM over at sourceforge is a straight forward library for creating/parsing RPMs regardless of the platform it runs on. The software I'm developing on at work makes extensive use of the JRPM library and it is used in many production systems so it can be considered as stable. Also it supports noarch packages. I was already about to start working on something similar for Solaris PKG, as the very basics (CPIO streams) is the same in both the RPM and S5R4 package system. Only the stuff around that differs a lot but even on windows one can unpack a datastream PKG with the standalone windows builds of GNU dd and cpio. So there's not much magic. I don't like projects that deliver just one package format (and RPM is really not my favorite one). When you are planning to release freenet in package formats please do it for all or for none. But I would suspect that creating a good MSI would be the hardest task anyway. What are S5R4? We cannot support every package format, and we will have to keep the java installer around because of this fact. But we would like to support the major formats. Let us know if you are interested in helping in any of the areas I have mentioned. pgp9XMOt8wlO6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
