[freenet-support] node via XeroBank

[Chris Burge]

Sorry, my statement was intended to note that when using a digital
transaction a credit card was used much more than digital gold carriers.
Actually, the number one use in transferring terrorist money by Bin Laden is
something called Hawala Banking.   It has been around in Eastern societies
for thousands of years so there is no way they are going to nail that
sucker.  No, this whole Real Id/KYC/grab your ankles and say please forced
upon Americans is out of the need to control a failing global economy.  They
know that they are *&%*^$@^*% with the current state of the global economy
and the only way to keep it from resulting in riots is to start a gradual
clamping down on freedoms before it all hits the fans.

Sigh...Anywho, this discussion has all inspired me to charge up Freenet
again and try to get on the boards.  For whatever reason, I never got
invited to be able to get on the message boards (forgot what that program is
called) when I tried out Freenet a few months ago (I forget how many times I
filled out the CAPTCHA...LOL).  Maybe my luck will get better this time
around.  BTW, is there a board there or somewhere where I can get involved
in discussions like digital gold and such forth.  Most of the ones that I
see out there are scammers.

Thanks and starting up Freenet now!

:)

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Volodya wrote:

> > nevermind that terrorists use credit
> > cards in most cases...
>
> I don't have much to add to this thread, but this is a lie (are you
> watching too
> much Fox News by any chance?). Out of all the attackers or even supposed
> attackers on USA or UK there wasn't a single one to my knowledge who has
> purchased a ticket with a credit card. This information was spread to make
> them
> labelled as thieves in the public eyes.
>   - Volodya
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Re: [freenet-support] node via XeroBank

[Chris Burge]

Sorry, my statement was intended to note that when using a digital
transaction a credit card was used much more than digital gold carriers.
Actually, the number one use in transferring terrorist money by Bin Laden is
something called Hawala Banking.   It has been around in Eastern societies
for thousands of years so there is no way they are going to nail that
sucker.  No, this whole Real Id/KYC/grab your ankles and say please forced
upon Americans is out of the need to control a failing global economy.  They
know that they are *[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the current state of the global 
economy
and the only way to keep it from resulting in riots is to start a gradual
clamping down on freedoms before it all hits the fans.

Sigh...Anywho, this discussion has all inspired me to charge up Freenet
again and try to get on the boards.  For whatever reason, I never got
invited to be able to get on the message boards (forgot what that program is
called) when I tried out Freenet a few months ago (I forget how many times I
filled out the CAPTCHA...LOL).  Maybe my luck will get better this time
around.  BTW, is there a board there or somewhere where I can get involved
in discussions like digital gold and such forth.  Most of the ones that I
see out there are scammers.

Thanks and starting up Freenet now!

:)

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Volodya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  nevermind that terrorists use credit
  cards in most cases...

 I don't have much to add to this thread, but this is a lie (are you
 watching too
 much Fox News by any chance?). Out of all the attackers or even supposed
 attackers on USA or UK there wasn't a single one to my knowledge who has
 purchased a ticket with a credit card. This information was spread to make
 them
 labelled as thieves in the public eyes.
   - Volodya

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[freenet-support] node via XeroBank

[Chris Burge]

Hardly ever post here but I'm totally enjoying this message chain.  EGold is
a US based company that created a currency (e-gold) based on gold grams.
They are, I think, the first out there to do that but their vulnerability
appeared when they were raided in April 2007 for money laundering.  They
were innocent of that but were guilty of not having KYC, "Know Your
Customer", established.  In the USSR, e US, it's getting increasingly
worse in the area of anonymity.  The charge was that they were helping
terrorists (nevermind that terrorists use credit cards in most cases...facts
are never relevant in taking away freedom).  Ack enough soap-boxing.

Anywho, e-gold got nailed for subverting the Greenback (old law that says
you can't have more than $100 of gold) and not having everyone's social like
banks, credit cards and other financial institutions are required to do
because of the unPatriot Act.  e-Bullion and Pecunix are based in Panama
which have greater freedoms but in America the problem is converting that
money in a usable format.  Pecunix is very secure but ECache is actually
very, very anonymous.

I'm not aware of Dalpay.  What information do you have to provide to become
a merchant of theirs?  It looks like what they allow you to sell is fairly
strict.  Is XeroBank using them to process their cards?

Thanks

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:

> On Sunday 03 August 2008 03:34, Hierophant wrote:
> > --- toad at amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
> >
> > > From: Matthew Toseland 
> > > To: support at freenetproject.org, hierophant at hell.com
> > > Cc: Steve Topletz 
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)
> > > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:08:20 +0100
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Cool. However I would point out that there is an entire industry
> > > dedicated to reversing money anonymisation schemes.
> >
> > Yes, I'm aware of the eGold mess et alia.
>
> eGold mess? Not aware of that one...
>
> > The anonymity of my payments to XeroBank via Dalpay is vulnerable to
> attacks
> on either and/or their relationship.  Although I do trust Dalpay based on
> what I've read about their mission
> , they are in Iceland, and so
> are
> relatively vulnerable to governmental pressure.  OTOH, Iceland did grant
> asylum to Bobby Fischer [;-)
> >
> > But even if my anonymity at Dalpay is compromised, that yields only my
> XeroBank payment account number.  According to XeroBank, that doesn't
> reveal
> my XeroBank access account number (and vice versa).  Of course, I'm pretty
> sure that XeroBank could correlate the two accounts, especially if I paid
> Dalpay via XeroBank's VPN (which I don't).
> >
> > So, if Dalpay betrays me, I'm left trusting XeroBank.  It's problematic
> that
> we have no clue who's behind XeroBank.  That's part of XeroBank's
> security/privacy model.  Basically, I've decided to trust Steve Topletz,
> and
> to trust that he wouldn't be part of XeroBank if it were evil, or clueless
> and vulnerable.
> >
> > I trust Steve based on what I've read by and about him.  He has an
> apparently-impeccable reputation re cDc, Hacktivismo, Tor and so on.  Given
> his long association with security experts and privacy advocates, it's
> arguable that he would have been outed long ago if he were working with the
> FBI, NSA, KGB or whatever. Although Tor started as a US Naval Research
> Laboratory project, it's totally open source now, and so any back doors
> would
> arguably have been discovered.  Perhaps one could hide code in other code
> via
> encryption and steganography, but that seems unlikely.
>
> Yeah, government/corporate involvement in such things can often be
> entertaining and surprising. :)
> >
> > Anyway, I welcome any and all comments.
> >
> > Hierophant
> > hierophant at hell.com
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[Chris Burge]

I have tried to load the HelloWorld.jar as per the instructions in the Wiki
but it keeps telling me that it can't find it.  To ease confusoion, how
should I type the path in the Load box if it resides on at
C:\HelloWorld.jar.

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[Chris Burge]

I have tried to load the HelloWorld.jar as per the instructions in the Wiki
but it keeps telling me that it can't find it.  To ease confusoion, how
should I type the path in the Load box if it resides on at
C:\HelloWorld.jar.

Thanks,
Chris
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[freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Chris Burge]

I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what
freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor for
sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via the
circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit nodes that
try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several nodes in a circuit
that can figure out who is requesting what.

That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  As
far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because of the
use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites would also seem
somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings back memories of
forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which computer originated a mp3
and thus I wonder if the same would be for freesites.

In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key encryptor
and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology do we use to
get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want to be aware of
these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later exposed to have a
weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.

Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the
overall setup of freenet.

I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript stripped
out upon upload or how is this done?

I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more as
an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of my
previous questions on anonymity.

In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content (i.e.
obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or is that
somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things encrypted by a
particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different freesites, people can
only read the freesites that they have a key for)?

Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just trying to
get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL

Thanks,
Chris
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[freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Chris Burge]

I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what
freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor for
sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via the
circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit nodes that
try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several nodes in a circuit
that can figure out who is requesting what.

That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  As
far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because of the
use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites would also seem
somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings back memories of
forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which computer originated a mp3
and thus I wonder if the same would be for freesites.

In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key encryptor
and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology do we use to
get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want to be aware of
these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later exposed to have a
weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.

Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the
overall setup of freenet.

I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript stripped
out upon upload or how is this done?

I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more as
an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of my
previous questions on anonymity.

In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content (i.e.
obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or is that
somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things encrypted by a
particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different freesites, people can
only read the freesites that they have a key for)?

Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just trying to
get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL

Thanks,
Chris
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