Re: [freenet-support] ?spam? Re: Peer IP address leakage?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Michael Yip wrote: > Dsoslglece wrote: >> Michael Yip a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> My name is Michael and I'm currently studying the source code of Freenet. >>> >>> I have found that the object reference for all PeerNode objects has the >>> IP address of the peer associated with it. How is anonymity kept with >>> the IP of the peer exposed? I have examined the log file and it seems >>> the object reference of the peers are logged as they are added. >>> >>> What I'm confused is since Freenet seek to promote freedom of speech in >>> the presence of strict government control, if they decide to run a >>> Freenet node and collect IP addresses in this manner, the consequences >>> would be unthinkable >>> >>> I have tested this by adding another node of mine and my IP address >>> appears as expected. >>> >>> Can anyone explain to me why?? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Michael >>> ___ >>> Support mailing list >>> Support@freenetproject.org >>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >>> Unsubscribe at >>> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >>> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Michael... >> it is correct that your IP would be known by your neighbour node, but, >> he is the only one to be able to identify you... more, and beside the >> fact of being able to be sure that you are using Freenet (only sure of >> this), even so, he has no way of knowing if the info or file or >> whatever, coming to you, or going from you, did or not come or go 10 >> nodes away from you, since you act also (as a node) in passing >> packets... and anyway, even so, he is (and you are, and any of your >> neighbours) unable to know the content of the package, if you didn't >> create it yourself or ask yourself for it since only the original >> sender and final receiver are able to know it's content. >> Hope it was clear... >> >> > Hi, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Taking from the point that IP addresses are known to your peers, I > have another question. > > I've noticed that the hop-to-live counter is decremented according > to the policy of: > 1) the source node of the request, > 2) the node which recently reported fail for a data request or > 3) the node handling the request (usually because the node is the > source of the request) > > Ok, so what if I modify the code for my node so that: > > 1) maxHTL = 1 > 2) decrementAtMin = false > 3) disableProbabilisticHTLs = false > > Would this mean that my peers would not forward my message any > further? This is because if so, this would allow me to probe my peers > using my set of keys for data Your peers will sometimes pass on requests at min htl, specifically to avoid this problem. That's what the probabilistic htl thing is for. Turning off probabilistic htl only turns it off on your node; it doesn't change your peers config, obviously. So turning it off will let other people probe your store, but doesn't help you probe theirs. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] ?spam? Re: Peer IP address leakage?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Michael Yip wrote: > Dsoslglece wrote: > > Michael Yip a écrit : > >> Hi, > >> > >> My name is Michael and I'm currently studying the source code of > Freenet. > >> > >> I have found that the object reference for all PeerNode objects has the > >> IP address of the peer associated with it. How is anonymity kept with > >> the IP of the peer exposed? I have examined the log file and it seems > >> the object reference of the peers are logged as they are added. > >> > >> What I'm confused is since Freenet seek to promote freedom of speech in > >> the presence of strict government control, if they decide to run a > >> Freenet node and collect IP addresses in this manner, the consequences > >> would be unthinkable > >> > >> I have tested this by adding another node of mine and my IP address > >> appears as expected. > >> > >> Can anyone explain to me why?? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Michael > >> ___ > >> Support mailing list > >> Support@freenetproject.org > >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >> Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Michael... > > it is correct that your IP would be known by your neighbour node, but, > > he is the only one to be able to identify you... more, and beside the > > fact of being able to be sure that you are using Freenet (only sure of > > this), even so, he has no way of knowing if the info or file or > > whatever, coming to you, or going from you, did or not come or go 10 > > nodes away from you, since you act also (as a node) in passing > > packets... and anyway, even so, he is (and you are, and any of your > > neighbours) unable to know the content of the package, if you didn't > > create it yourself or ask yourself for it since only the original > > sender and final receiver are able to know it's content. > > Hope it was clear... > > > > >Hi, > >Thanks for your reply. > >Taking from the point that IP addresses are known to your peers, I > have another question. > >I've noticed that the hop-to-live counter is decremented according > to the policy of: > 1) the source node of the request, > 2) the node which recently reported fail for a data request or > 3) the node handling the request (usually because the node is the > source of the request) > >Ok, so what if I modify the code for my node so that: > >1) maxHTL = 1 >2) decrementAtMin = false >3) disableProbabilisticHTLs = false > > Or simply, > >1) disableProbabilisticHTLs = true > > Would this mean that my peers would not forward my message any > further? This is because if so, this would allow me to probe my peers > using my set of keys for data > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support@freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > Yes, it appears this will allow you to check if your immediate neighbour has a copy of some data segment. Or maybe he does not have it, and sends the packet the HE generates? I do not actually know how this will work, but anyway you will end up probing one key. You know how many of them there are? And the probability that some node has a data segment for one of them is you know... not so high=) However, this IS a security issue, and it should be tested. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] ?spam? Re: Peer IP address leakage?
Dsoslglece wrote: > Michael Yip a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> My name is Michael and I'm currently studying the source code of Freenet. >> >> I have found that the object reference for all PeerNode objects has the >> IP address of the peer associated with it. How is anonymity kept with >> the IP of the peer exposed? I have examined the log file and it seems >> the object reference of the peers are logged as they are added. >> >> What I'm confused is since Freenet seek to promote freedom of speech in >> the presence of strict government control, if they decide to run a >> Freenet node and collect IP addresses in this manner, the consequences >> would be unthinkable >> >> I have tested this by adding another node of mine and my IP address >> appears as expected. >> >> Can anyone explain to me why?? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> ___ >> Support mailing list >> Support@freenetproject.org >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >> Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> > Hi Michael... > it is correct that your IP would be known by your neighbour node, but, > he is the only one to be able to identify you... more, and beside the > fact of being able to be sure that you are using Freenet (only sure of > this), even so, he has no way of knowing if the info or file or > whatever, coming to you, or going from you, did or not come or go 10 > nodes away from you, since you act also (as a node) in passing > packets... and anyway, even so, he is (and you are, and any of your > neighbours) unable to know the content of the package, if you didn't > create it yourself or ask yourself for it since only the original > sender and final receiver are able to know it's content. > Hope it was clear... > > Hi, Thanks for your reply. Taking from the point that IP addresses are known to your peers, I have another question. I've noticed that the hop-to-live counter is decremented according to the policy of: 1) the source node of the request, 2) the node which recently reported fail for a data request or 3) the node handling the request (usually because the node is the source of the request) Ok, so what if I modify the code for my node so that: 1) maxHTL = 1 2) decrementAtMin = false 3) disableProbabilisticHTLs = false Or simply, 1) disableProbabilisticHTLs = true Would this mean that my peers would not forward my message any further? This is because if so, this would allow me to probe my peers using my set of keys for data Thanks, Michael > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] ?spam? Re: Peer IP address leakage?
Dsoslglece wrote: > Michael Yip a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> My name is Michael and I'm currently studying the source code of Freenet. >> >> I have found that the object reference for all PeerNode objects has the >> IP address of the peer associated with it. How is anonymity kept with >> the IP of the peer exposed? I have examined the log file and it seems >> the object reference of the peers are logged as they are added. >> >> What I'm confused is since Freenet seek to promote freedom of speech in >> the presence of strict government control, if they decide to run a >> Freenet node and collect IP addresses in this manner, the consequences >> would be unthinkable >> >> I have tested this by adding another node of mine and my IP address >> appears as expected. >> >> Can anyone explain to me why?? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> ___ >> Support mailing list >> Support@freenetproject.org >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >> Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> > Hi Michael... > it is correct that your IP would be known by your neighbour node, but, > he is the only one to be able to identify you... more, and beside the > fact of being able to be sure that you are using Freenet (only sure of > this), even so, he has no way of knowing if the info or file or > whatever, coming to you, or going from you, did or not come or go 10 > nodes away from you, since you act also (as a node) in passing > packets... and anyway, even so, he is (and you are, and any of your > neighbours) unable to know the content of the package, if you didn't > create it yourself or ask yourself for it since only the original > sender and final receiver are able to know it's content. > Hope it was clear... > > Hi, Thanks for your reply. Taking from the point that IP addresses are known to your peers, I have another question. I've noticed that the hop-to-live counter is decremented according to the policy of: 1) the source node of the request, 2) the node which recently reported fail for a data request or 3) the node handling the request (usually because the node is the source of the request) Ok, so what if I modify the code for my node so that: 1) maxHTL = 1 2) decrementAtMin = false 3) disableProbabilisticHTLs = false Would this mean that my peers would not forward my message any further? This is because if so, this would allow me to probe my peers using my set of keys for data Thanks, Michael > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
