[freenet-support] Donations and slashdot
As some of us have already discussed on IIP, the question becomes urgent what to do for the near future. As the donationpage shows, we are in need for some extra financial input, and thus we should contemplate on the how to do this best. Now, I've said before that we're long overdue for the 0.6, but still, it's also true that currently, it isn't much better performing (as a whole) then the 0.5 version of the past year. Many changes have been made, but no real progress (from the viewpoint of a newbie user) has come out of it, as yet. Now, with the simulations, I feel we have a tool that could finally help us in a way that surpasses the haphazard way untill now, and hopefully that will be even more stimualted with a testnetwork, in the not-to-distant future. I have reasonable hope, thus, that, with further improvements such as the small-chunks and the tools to check performance, we might actually go forward rather quickly, compared to the past year(s). It therefor begs the question, whether it would not be wise to wait a bit longer still, untill we really have something that is noticable better. This all depends on whether we can afford it, and here again, a suggestion of toad(?) gives us an alternative. apart from being useful tools for the development process, the graphs made, are also very interesting and visually appealing. It is therefor suggested, and IMHO a good idea, to use these graphs, and the simulator, as a slashdot-article. If we made a nice page with graphs and some summary explanation, and we offer the simulator for d/l, preferably with a howto so ppl can easily try it out, I think this will cause enough attraction to give us some additional flux in regard to interest and finances. The financial and other gains would be substantial and form a very nice in-between untill the 0.6 version is ready, and it wouldn't cost us all that much in time and effort, in comparison. So, I would agree with this option, make something (page?) interesting of/with the graphs, make the simulator a bit more user-friendly, and clean up some bugs on the current stable build, but nothing too vast...and bring it on slashdot as soon as possible. Once we've gained some financial leeway and the pressure is in that regard has diminuished, we can continue with the 0.6 full speed. Maybe, in a few months, we can then bring out a 0.6 that IS, indeed, better then any current 0.5 build! My two euros ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Donations and slashdot
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:21:51PM +0200, Newsbyte wrote: As some of us have already discussed on IIP, the question becomes urgent what to do for the near future. As the donationpage shows, we are in need for some extra financial input, and thus we should contemplate on the how to do this best. Yes. Although we may have anything up to several thousand dollars in the bank.. Ian has been trying to get hold of the trustee for some time... Now, I've said before that we're long overdue for the 0.6, but still, it's also true that currently, it isn't much better performing (as a whole) then the 0.5 version of the past year. Many changes have been made, but no real progress (from the viewpoint of a newbie user) has come out of it, as yet. I don't know about that. I installed a new stable node today, within an hour or so I could get many pages... Now, with the simulations, I feel we have a tool that could finally help us in a way that surpasses the haphazard way untill now, and hopefully that will be even more stimualted with a testnetwork, in the not-to-distant future. Quite possibly (on both counts). I have reasonable hope, thus, that, with further improvements such as the small-chunks and the tools to check performance, we might actually go forward rather quickly, compared to the past year(s). It therefor begs the question, whether it would not be wise to wait a bit longer still, untill we really have something that is noticable better. I think so. This all depends on whether we can afford it, and here again, a suggestion of toad(?) gives us an alternative. apart from being useful tools for the development process, the graphs made, are also very interesting and visually appealing. It is therefor suggested, and IMHO a good idea, to use these graphs, and the simulator, as a slashdot-article. And an appeal for funds. :) If we made a nice page with graphs and some summary explanation, and we offer the simulator for d/l, preferably with a howto so ppl can easily try it out, Probably a good idea.. I think this will cause enough attraction to give us some additional flux in regard to interest and finances. The financial and other gains would be substantial and form a very nice in-between untill the 0.6 version is ready, and it wouldn't cost us all that much in time and effort, in comparison. So, I would agree with this option, make something (page?) interesting of/with the graphs, make the simulator a bit more user-friendly, and clean up some bugs on the current stable build, but nothing too vast...and bring it on slashdot as soon as possible. Agreed. I want to build a slightly more convincing simulator first, i.e. one which simulates something more sophisticated than 100 fully connected nodes, although Ian and Oskar's more-theoretical results could fill the gap if we needed to launch an appeal immediately. But the basic principle is solid. Once we've gained some financial leeway and the pressure is in that regard has diminuished, we can continue with the 0.6 full speed. Maybe, in a few months, we can then bring out a 0.6 that IS, indeed, better then any current 0.5 build! My two euros -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Donations and slashdot
Clarification: We do not want to be slashdotted _right now_. When we are ready, we will make it clear - we want to set up a nice page on the website, for example, and fix a few more stable bugs. On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 12:42:22AM +0100, Toad wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:21:51PM +0200, Newsbyte wrote: As some of us have already discussed on IIP, the question becomes urgent what to do for the near future. As the donationpage shows, we are in need for some extra financial input, and thus we should contemplate on the how to do this best. Yes. Although we may have anything up to several thousand dollars in the bank.. Ian has been trying to get hold of the trustee for some time... Now, I've said before that we're long overdue for the 0.6, but still, it's also true that currently, it isn't much better performing (as a whole) then the 0.5 version of the past year. Many changes have been made, but no real progress (from the viewpoint of a newbie user) has come out of it, as yet. I don't know about that. I installed a new stable node today, within an hour or so I could get many pages... Now, with the simulations, I feel we have a tool that could finally help us in a way that surpasses the haphazard way untill now, and hopefully that will be even more stimualted with a testnetwork, in the not-to-distant future. Quite possibly (on both counts). I have reasonable hope, thus, that, with further improvements such as the small-chunks and the tools to check performance, we might actually go forward rather quickly, compared to the past year(s). It therefor begs the question, whether it would not be wise to wait a bit longer still, untill we really have something that is noticable better. I think so. This all depends on whether we can afford it, and here again, a suggestion of toad(?) gives us an alternative. apart from being useful tools for the development process, the graphs made, are also very interesting and visually appealing. It is therefor suggested, and IMHO a good idea, to use these graphs, and the simulator, as a slashdot-article. And an appeal for funds. :) If we made a nice page with graphs and some summary explanation, and we offer the simulator for d/l, preferably with a howto so ppl can easily try it out, Probably a good idea.. I think this will cause enough attraction to give us some additional flux in regard to interest and finances. The financial and other gains would be substantial and form a very nice in-between untill the 0.6 version is ready, and it wouldn't cost us all that much in time and effort, in comparison. So, I would agree with this option, make something (page?) interesting of/with the graphs, make the simulator a bit more user-friendly, and clean up some bugs on the current stable build, but nothing too vast...and bring it on slashdot as soon as possible. Agreed. I want to build a slightly more convincing simulator first, i.e. one which simulates something more sophisticated than 100 fully connected nodes, although Ian and Oskar's more-theoretical results could fill the gap if we needed to launch an appeal immediately. But the basic principle is solid. Once we've gained some financial leeway and the pressure is in that regard has diminuished, we can continue with the 0.6 full speed. Maybe, in a few months, we can then bring out a 0.6 that IS, indeed, better then any current 0.5 build! My two euros -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
