Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

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WORD, BRO

please make these topics *clear* on the front page of www.freenetproject.org, because 
peoples do not seem to realize that freenet is just like.. er.. freenet! 
:)


>Jeffrey Regier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web interface 
>> (http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect to 
>> the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place, 
>> right?). Additionally, I don't know what files of mine I'm sharing or if 
>> other users are able to store their content on my computer. Help would 
>> be very appreciated.
>
>OK, at some point I need to sit down and rewrite HUGE sections of the
>Wiki FAQ.  People are coming into Freenet with some preconceived notions
>that are simply not in line with reality.
>
>Freenet is NOT a peer-to-peer file sharing application.
>
>Freenet does not work like Gnutella.
>
>You do not search for files in Freenet.
>
>You do not share whole directories full of files in Freenet.  You must
>explicitly publish (insert) each file you wish to share.
>
>In particular, you DO NOT tell Freenet to create its data store in an
>existing directory full of files!  It will delete them.  (This will
>be "fixed" soon.  Nobody anticipated that people would actually do this!)
>
>When you do insert a file, it has a KEY which is generally not going
>to be human-readable.  (Unless you use KSK keys, but those are not
>secure.)
>
>The only way to retrieve that file is to know its key.  Therefore the
>person who inserts a file has to advertise its key somehow.
>
>The Wiki FAQ is at .

[snip for your pipe's health]

>freenet.log file.
>
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Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Mathew Ryden]

- Original Message -
From: "Nicholas Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> See at bottom
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Date: 10/30/2002 11:34:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:29:39PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  > Date: 10/30/2002 7:19:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
> > > >
> > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey Regier=20
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> > > > >I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web
> interface=
> > =20
> > > > >(http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect
> to=
> > =20
> > > > >the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place,
> right=
> > ?).
> > > >=20
> > > > "The Freedom Engine" contains a list of what people have inserted
and=
> > =20
> > > > wanted to advertise via this site.  You can't at the moment
search=20
> > > > Freenet (but look for "Frost" which is a bulletin board application
> for=
> > =20
> > > > Freenet which people advertise files through).
> > > >=20
> > > > The best plan is to leave your node running and keep trying to
> retrieve=
> > =20
> > > > things, and it will probably learn how to do so in the course of
> hours=
> > =20
> > > > or days.  Restart it if there is good evidence it has stopped
working=
> > =20
> > > > properly in some way, it shouldn't lose routeing information it
has=20
> > > > already collected.
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > The only problem here is the part about keeping the node running.
Since
> > > I'm not on broadband, it's more courteous not to run absolutely
> > > continuously.
> > > Any time I exit Freenet or need to reboot, I must re-download a copy
of=
> > =20
> > > freenet because my copy will not restart once shut down.  Been that
way=
> > =20
> > Are you sure this still happens? It was common with the old monolithic
> > buggy datastore, but it should never happen with the new code.
> > > for months (with therefore many different  builds).  But so
> > > far no one want to take a chance to trying to give me any clues of
what
> to
> > > try doing.  (I suspect it relates to two versions of java on this
> hardware
> > > but my little knowledge of Java is hardly enough to call that even a
> good
> > > guess.)  Have you any ideas on that problem.
> > >=20
> > --=20
> > Matthew Toseland
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Freenet/Coldstore open source hacker.
> > Employed full time by Freenet Project Inc. from 11/9/02 to 11/11/02.
> > http://freenetproject.org/
>
>

> ===
>
> WHAT I Found and DID:
>
> Shut down Freenet.
> Opened icon on desktop. Target: "C:\Program Files\Freenet0.5
> pre5\freenet.exe"
> Click on icon.
>   Error starting node: Couldn't start the node,
> make sure  FLAunch.ini has an entry javaw=pointing to javaw.exe or an
> entry Javaexec= pointing
> to a Java Runtime binary (jview.exe/java.exe)
> Flaunch.ini contents:

Are you still running pre5 or have you updated the node since then?

> [Freenet Launcher]
> # following the runtime binaries to be used for the Java classes
> # Javaexec/javaw should point to your Java Runtime binaries
> (jview.exe/java.exe and javaw.exe)
> javaexec=C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.0\bin\java.exe
> javaw=C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.0\bin\javaw.exe
>
> # Commands to be executed by Java
> frequest=freenet.client.cli.Main get
> finsert=freenet.client.cli.Main put
> fclient=freenet.client.cli.Main
> fserve=freenet.node.Main
> # the wrapper can take only 8 char long names for now. Switch to
> # fservecli in the long run
> fservecli=freenet.node.Main
> fservew=freenet.node.Main
> cfgnode=freenet.config.Setup
>
> # settings for seeding references
> # it will call: %FSeed% %seedcmdpre% %RefFile% %seedcmdpost%
> FSeed = fserve.exe
> seedcmdpre = --seed

Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Nicholas Sturm]

See at bottom


> [Original Message]
> From: Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > Date: 10/30/2002 11:34:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:29:39PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  > Date: 10/30/2002 7:19:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
> > >
> > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey Regier=20
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> > > >I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web
interface=
> =20
> > > >(http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect
to=
> =20
> > > >the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place,
right=
> ?).
> > >=20
> > > "The Freedom Engine" contains a list of what people have inserted and=
> =20
> > > wanted to advertise via this site.  You can't at the moment search=20
> > > Freenet (but look for "Frost" which is a bulletin board application
for=
> =20
> > > Freenet which people advertise files through).
> > >=20
> > > The best plan is to leave your node running and keep trying to
retrieve=
> =20
> > > things, and it will probably learn how to do so in the course of
hours=
> =20
> > > or days.  Restart it if there is good evidence it has stopped working=
> =20
> > > properly in some way, it shouldn't lose routeing information it has=20
> > > already collected.
> > >=20
> >=20
> > The only problem here is the part about keeping the node running.  Since
> > I'm not on broadband, it's more courteous not to run absolutely
> > continuously.
> > Any time I exit Freenet or need to reboot, I must re-download a copy of=
> =20
> > freenet because my copy will not restart once shut down.  Been that way=
> =20
> Are you sure this still happens? It was common with the old monolithic
> buggy datastore, but it should never happen with the new code.
> > for months (with therefore many different  builds).  But so
> > far no one want to take a chance to trying to give me any clues of what
to
> > try doing.  (I suspect it relates to two versions of java on this
hardware
> > but my little knowledge of Java is hardly enough to call that even a
good
> > guess.)  Have you any ideas on that problem.
> >=20
> --=20
> Matthew Toseland
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Freenet/Coldstore open source hacker.
> Employed full time by Freenet Project Inc. from 11/9/02 to 11/11/02.
> http://freenetproject.org/


===

WHAT I Found and DID:

Shut down Freenet.
Opened icon on desktop. Target: "C:\Program Files\Freenet0.5
pre5\freenet.exe"
Click on icon.
  Error starting node: Couldn't start the node,
make sure  FLAunch.ini has an entry javaw=pointing to javaw.exe or an
entry Javaexec= pointing 
to a Java Runtime binary (jview.exe/java.exe)
Flaunch.ini contents:

[Freenet Launcher]
# following the runtime binaries to be used for the Java classes
# Javaexec/javaw should point to your Java Runtime binaries
(jview.exe/java.exe and javaw.exe)
javaexec=C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.0\bin\java.exe
javaw=C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.0\bin\javaw.exe

# Commands to be executed by Java
frequest=freenet.client.cli.Main get
finsert=freenet.client.cli.Main put
fclient=freenet.client.cli.Main
fserve=freenet.node.Main
# the wrapper can take only 8 char long names for now. Switch to
# fservecli in the long run
fservecli=freenet.node.Main
fservew=freenet.node.Main
cfgnode=freenet.config.Setup

# settings for seeding references
# it will call: %FSeed% %seedcmdpre% %RefFile% %seedcmdpost%
FSeed = fserve.exe
seedcmdpre = --seed
seedcmdpost =

# how to call the configurator from the system tray utility
Fconfig = NodeConfig.exe
fconfigUseJava = 0


# with which executable should the commands be run (javaexec is default)?
# e.g. uncomment to run the command without a DOS box
# but also using perl or plain .exe files (leave the executable empty then)
are possible in theory
fservew_exec=javaw
cfgnode_exec=javaw
Priority=0
PriorityClass=64

Use compatibility mode was set in icon "jigger", last page, removed it and
clicked on icon. <===
  No error message (or popup).

But when I click on the little rabbit in tray nonthing happens.

SUCCESS!  Open Gate now works.

Hope this is of some value to you.

Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Nicholas Sturm]

> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > Date: 10/30/2002 7:19:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey Regier 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web interface 
> >(http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect to 
> >the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place, right?).
> 
> "The Freedom Engine" contains a list of what people have inserted and 
> wanted to advertise via this site.  You can't at the moment search 
> Freenet (but look for "Frost" which is a bulletin board application for 
> Freenet which people advertise files through).
> 
> The best plan is to leave your node running and keep trying to retrieve 
> things, and it will probably learn how to do so in the course of hours 
> or days.  Restart it if there is good evidence it has stopped working 
> properly in some way, it shouldn't lose routeing information it has 
> already collected.
> 

The only problem here is the part about keeping the node running.  Since
I'm not on broadband, it's more courteous not to run absolutely
continuously.
Any time I exit Freenet or need to reboot, I must re-download a copy of 
freenet because my copy will not restart once shut down.  Been that way 
for months (with therefore many different  builds).  But so
far no one want to take a chance to trying to give me any clues of what to
try doing.  (I suspect it relates to two versions of java on this hardware
but my little knowledge of Java is hardly enough to call that even a good
guess.)  Have you any ideas on that problem.



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Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Perhaps it would help if someone that's been here for a long will would
dust off some of those early theoretical discussions.  And publish them
again. They did explain the (then) future goal remarkably well, although
developing the software has clearly been much more difficult than
developing the concept.  But, of course it has evolved a bit, just as did
Loglan, an artificial language, that initially appeared to have the goal of
providing a "logical language" in which all hidden implications were to be
removed for the basic language elements and applied only as modifiers, thus
not carrying the hidden meanings that so much of natural language
carries--baggage to confuse those not speaking it as natives (but who
usually detected the inconsistencies better than the natives).  Ten years
later hardly anyone remembered that stated goal.  Every human effort soon
develops a life of its own and usually develops into something not
originally planned.




> [Original Message]
> From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > Date: 10/30/2002 7:37:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
>
> thats funny??? I came here thinking it was like a internet within the
> internet???
> i never assumed that it was a P2P app??? where do people get this stuff
> from?
> 
> I love Frost :P but still to use frost to locate files is also inaccurate,
> you can request them, and others will post them, but to say this is a P2P
> app, is insaine. and limiting freenet :P
> 
> to tell you the truth. i have no idea what this realm is... but it is WAY
> COOL
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Mike]

thats funny??? I came here thinking it was like a internet within the
internet???
i never assumed that it was a P2P app??? where do people get this stuff
from?

I love Frost :P but still to use frost to locate files is also inaccurate,
you can request them, and others will post them, but to say this is a P2P
app, is insaine. and limiting freenet :P

to tell you the truth. i have no idea what this realm is... but it is WAY
COOL

- Original Message -
From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?




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Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Greg Wooledge]

Jeffrey Regier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web interface 
> (http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect to 
> the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place, 
> right?). Additionally, I don't know what files of mine I'm sharing or if 
> other users are able to store their content on my computer. Help would 
> be very appreciated.

OK, at some point I need to sit down and rewrite HUGE sections of the
Wiki FAQ.  People are coming into Freenet with some preconceived notions
that are simply not in line with reality.

Freenet is NOT a peer-to-peer file sharing application.

Freenet does not work like Gnutella.

You do not search for files in Freenet.

You do not share whole directories full of files in Freenet.  You must
explicitly publish (insert) each file you wish to share.

In particular, you DO NOT tell Freenet to create its data store in an
existing directory full of files!  It will delete them.  (This will
be "fixed" soon.  Nobody anticipated that people would actually do this!)

When you do insert a file, it has a KEY which is generally not going
to be human-readable.  (Unless you use KSK keys, but those are not
secure.)

The only way to retrieve that file is to know its key.  Therefore the
person who inserts a file has to advertise its key somehow.

The Wiki FAQ is at .
This is not on freenetproject.org.  This is not LINKED from
freenetproject.org.  None of the documentation on freenetproject.org is
up to date.  None of the information on freenetproject.org is useful
to new users.  The Wiki FAQ isn't fully accurate or up to date either,
but it's closer.

(I apologize if this seems condescending.  I'm writing it not only for
you but for all the other people who seem to be laboring under false
assumptions.)

==

Now, on to your specific issues:

If you can't connect to TFE, you should get an error message --
usually either "Route Not Found" or "Data Not Found".  We also need
to know whether the error occurs immediately, or after a wait of
several seconds/minutes.

If your request is bombing with RNF immediately after clicking the link,
you have a bad build of Freenet -- update it.

If your request is failing consistently with RNF, but it takes a while
to do so, then your node's trying to contact other nodes but isn't
having much luck.  You might need to try someone else's seednodes.ref
file, or check your node configuration firewall settings.  Also visit
the Node Reference Status Page (web interface http://127.0.0.1:/ ->
Node Status Interface -> Node Reference Status).  If you don't have
a Node Status Interface link, then you're running Freenet 0.5 (not
0.5.0.x) and you should update.

If your request is failing consistently with DNF, then either the whole
Freenet network is unhealthy (which has been the case this week, with
all the new nodes coming online), or the key you're looking for simply
isn't available.  Try a higher HTL or try another key or try again later.

Also, whenever you make a support request, please give as much
detail as possible about your environment: the exact version of your
operating system, the exact version of your Java virtual machine, which
Freenet build you're running, etc.  In some cases it may also be helpful
to include parts of your freenet.ini (or freenet.conf) file, or your
freenet.log file.

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Re: [freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Roger Hayter]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey Regier 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web interface 
(http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect to 
the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place, right?).

"The Freedom Engine" contains a list of what people have inserted and 
wanted to advertise via this site.  You can't at the moment search 
Freenet (but look for "Frost" which is a bulletin board application for 
Freenet which people advertise files through).

The best plan is to leave your node running and keep trying to retrieve 
things, and it will probably learn how to do so in the course of hours 
or days.  Restart it if there is good evidence it has stopped working 
properly in some way, it shouldn't lose routeing information it has 
already collected.





Additionally, I don't know what files of mine I'm sharing


You won't be sharing any of your files (with the possible exception of 
the Freenet installation files - but I don't think this is implemented) 
unless you deliberately insert them into Freenet.  This is too difficult 
to do by accident!


or if other users are able to store their content on my computer. Help 
would be very appreciated.

If you are running a transient node, only things you download (which 
might, of course, carry along information you can't easily visualise in 
a browser) could be stored on your node.  If you run a permanent node, 
which other nodes can initiate contact to, then other Freenet content 
can be stored on your node, in a way that is not easily predictable.  It 
would take a lot of deliberate effort to find out what was stored by 
this process, and in many legal jurisdictions there are advantages in 
not trying to find out.





Thanks.

-Jeff


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[freenet-support] It's installed...now what?

[Jeffrey Regier]

I've installed Freenet on Linux, and am able to open the web interface 
(http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/). However, I can't connect to 
the "Freedom Engine" (which is where file searching takes place, 
right?). Additionally, I don't know what files of mine I'm sharing or if 
other users are able to store their content on my computer. Help would 
be very appreciated.

Thanks.

-Jeff


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