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Re: Printing passwords in V 2
On or about 2/1/2010 12:33 AM, George Carden typed the following: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 1/31/2010 12:03 PM, George Carden typed the following: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 1/31/2010 10:58 AM, George Carden typed the following: The old ways I am aware of for printing a list of passwords from the Password Manager don't seem to work in SeaMonkey V2. This link describes what I'd been doing... http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_pw.php Ed, or anyone, what is the best way to print passwords now in version 2? Thanks! -George Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848 Only works with Firefox...not SeaMonkey. -George Golly - don't tell my machine it doesn't work. I'm using it and it sure does. Windows XP SP3 up-to-date with SeaMonkey 2.0.2 You'll have to make a CVS file and save it in one of your spread sheet programs (MS Office / Corel Office / Open Office). But it works fine. Last updated: Sun Jan 31 2010 22:17:07 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 Extensions (enabled: 9) * ChatZilla 0.9.86 (http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/) * Coral IE Tab 1.69.20091202 (http://coralietab.mozdev.org) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * DownloadHelper 4.7 (http://www.downloadhelper.net) * JavaScript Debugger 0.9.87.4 (http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/venkman/) * Password Exporter 1.2 (http://passwordexporter.fligtar.com) * PrefBar 4.3.2 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Quote Colors 0.3 (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2. Interesting. Are you using a theme other than SM standard one? I had no problems installing it. And it is working as advertised. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to us who do. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:03:50 -0600, George Carden wrote: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 1/31/2010 10:58 AM, George Carden typed the following: The old ways I am aware of for printing a list of passwords from the Password Manager don't seem to work in SeaMonkey V2. This link describes what I'd been doing... http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_pw.php Ed, or anyone, what is the best way to print passwords now in version 2? Thanks! -George Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848 Only works with Firefox...not SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey version here: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Are Cheerios really donut seeds? * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
NoOp wrote: On 01/31/2010 08:09 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:7rgdnrrlobixa_nwnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: If they want the silly tabs. Fine. If it makes people giddy using them That's fine as well Just please keep a way to turn the tab nonsense off. You need to satisfy all the users and not everyone is enamored with tabs. Phillip, I could have sworn someone has already helped you turn off everything to do with tabs. If you're still seeing tabs where you don't want to, please start a thread about it and get it fixed the way you want it. I have tabs turned off for now. But everything opens in new windows (which is better than tabs.) I'd like for it to re-use the current window. I know on SM 1.1.18 there were certain sites that forced new windows. but most would reuse the same window. In SM 2 everything brings up a new window. for example: if I click a link say with this post. It should open the existing browser window, and show the content there. But actually my ISP's home page window is untouched, and I have two window instances. If I click on to another page within that page, most of the time another window comes up. One thing that has changed which helps is that one window lands directly on top of the other. I 1.1.18 would offset one window over and down(cascading). Just want to keep making the point not everyone desires tabs. And make sure us people that don't, have the ability to customize the way we want. I may be the only one on the groups that does, but there are most likely unspoken thousands, that share my views. Most people don't know where to share their views and just put up what they are spoon fed whether they like it not. So, let's spoon feed you: *start a new thread*. I found a solution, and SM works ten times as fast as it did before in the browser. I went back to preferences and chose open *window/Tab* in same window for both Link open Behavior and links from other applications. Then here where I made sure tabs don't show up at all. I ticked the check mark beside use tabs only if middle button (Mouse) plus Return is hit. I'd say it opens pages almost as fast as iCab which seems to be the fastest browser I have. Beats Opera 10 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
In news:4u6dnfwf9mmxvvvwnz2dnuvz_jvi4...@mozilla.org, Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: »Q« wrote: I've installed a browser-only SM 2.0.2. To get mailto links working, I had to edit my profile's mimeTypes.rdf, but it works. Okay, how did you install it browser only? I'm using and OS, Gentoo GNU/Linux, for which everything is compiled on the user's machine. Using the configure arguments --disable-mailnews --disable-composer prevents those components aren't built. AFAIK, it's not possible to install only the browser without compiling it yourself, but I guess someone could come along and provide precompiled browser-only installers for Windows and Mac. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Ray_Net wrote: I just read and understand: So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it did not opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client I can't remember saying that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: I have tabs turned off for now. But everything opens in new windows (which is better than tabs.) I'd like for it to re-use the current window. I know on SM 1.1.18 there were certain sites that forced new windows. but most would reuse the same window. In SM 2 everything brings up a new window. for example: if I click a link say with this post. It should open the existing browser window, and show the content there. But actually my ISP's home page window is untouched, and I have two window instances. If I click on to another page within that page, most of the time another window comes up. There should be a setting that is currently grouped in tabbed browsing where you can change that. Be aware that the internal mail client follows the setting for external applications, though. Robert Kaiser There actually no definitive setting saying use windows instead of tabs I have Link open behavior - new window Links from other application - new window if set for open in existing window or tab then it shows tabs instead of windows. Existing window/tab should not open any new tabs, but actually reuse what is currently open - and IIRC, that is what you want. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: I have tabs turned off for now. But everything opens in new windows (which is better than tabs.) I'd like for it to re-use the current window. I know on SM 1.1.18 there were certain sites that forced new windows. but most would reuse the same window. In SM 2 everything brings up a new window. for example: if I click a link say with this post. It should open the existing browser window, and show the content there. But actually my ISP's home page window is untouched, and I have two window instances. If I click on to another page within that page, most of the time another window comes up. There should be a setting that is currently grouped in tabbed browsing where you can change that. Be aware that the internal mail client follows the setting for external applications, though. Robert Kaiser There actually no definitive setting saying use windows instead of tabs I have Link open behavior - new window Links from other application - new window if set for open in existing window or tab then it shows tabs instead of windows. Existing window/tab should not open any new tabs, but actually reuse what is currently open - and IIRC, that is what you want. Robert Kaiser I've fixed by this method: I found a solution, and SM works ten times as fast as it did before in the browser. I went back to preferences and chose open *Window/Tab* in same window for both Link open Behavior and links from other applications. Then while here, where I made sure tabs don't show up at all. I ticked the check mark box beside use tabs only if middle button (Mouse) plus Return is hit. I'd say it opens pages almost as fast as iCab which seems to be the fastest browser I have. Beats Opera 10, FF, Camino, OmniWeb. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I just read and understand: So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it did not opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client I can't remember saying that. Exact, i just asked you ... in other words ... Is it possible, when in the Seamonkey browser when i click on a mailto link, to start per exemple the default-mail client instead of the SM-mail-client ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - and that Java runs in its own binary as a plugin and so it's the Java Runtime developers' job to make things secure, while JavaScript runs inside SeaMonkey itself and so it's our job to care. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
On 1/30/2010 4:50 PM PT, Mike C typed: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I moved to v2.0.2 for speed and memory usage. I did have to sacrifice a few minor extensions (e.g., BugMeNot). -- I like ants, in chocolate. Crunch, hu. --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Ant wrote: On 1/30/2010 4:50 PM PT, Mike C typed: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I moved to v2.0.2 for speed and memory usage. I did have to sacrifice a few minor extensions (e.g., BugMeNot). I'm solidly sticking with 1.1.18 because of the loss of Form Manager in 2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client. It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct this. It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on startup...which is what I do. So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups. The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server - which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my Intel iMac, which is my primary machine. That way, I can roam with my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to messages when I get home and store them in a central location before deleting them. More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO. Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think. So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not, then re-read what Benoit wrote. No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would be what the user would desire, right? I get what Benoit is saying, but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying... Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was fully-featured. If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the system's default e-mail client. If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client. The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - and that Java runs in its own binary as a plugin and so it's the Java Runtime developers' job to make things secure, while JavaScript runs inside SeaMonkey itself and so it's our job to care. Robert Kaiser I though Java ran in a sandbox. when Java first come out it didn't and apple would even support it. After the sandbox treatment plus some other improvements Apple finally adopted Java. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
Philip Chee wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:03:50 -0600, George Carden wrote:
BeeNeR wrote:
On or about 1/31/2010 10:58 AM, George Carden typed the following:
The old ways I am aware of for printing a list of passwords from the
Password Manager don't seem to work in SeaMonkey V2.
This link describes what I'd been doing...
http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_pw.php
Ed, or anyone, what is the best way to print passwords now in version 2?
Thanks!
-George
Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848
Only works with Firefox...not SeaMonkey.
SeaMonkey version here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter
Phil
OK, got it installed. But, golly...isn't there an easier way to do
this? I've been using an HTML file that I can just click on and it
displays all my passwords right in the browser, clean as can be. But, it
doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came from, but
here's the script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...
htmlheadtitleExport Firefox Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style!-- from Ernie at netscape.mozilla.firefox --/headbody
oncontextmenu=return true;
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1 cellspacing=0
tbodytr
td align=center
bHost/b
/td
td align=center
bUser name/b
/td
td align=center
bPassword/b
/td
/tr
script type=text/javascript
!--
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
var passwordmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/passwordmanager;1].getService();
passwordmanager =
passwordmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIPasswordManager);
// loads signons into table
var enumerator = passwordmanager.enumerator;
var count = 0;
while (enumerator.hasMoreElements()) {
var nextPassword;
try {
nextPassword = enumerator.getNext();
nextPassword =
nextPassword.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIPassword);
var host = nextPassword.host;
var user = nextPassword.user;
var password = nextPassword.password;
var rawuser = user;
document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write( + host + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n + user
+ \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n + password + \n\n /td\n\n
/tr\n);
} catch(e) {
/* An entry is corrupt. Go to next element. */
}
}
--
/script
/tbody/table
/body/html
-George
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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in Java. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]In chess always expect your opponent to make his best move. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On 01/31/2010 08:53 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/31/2010 12:13 PM, Benoit Renard wrote: ... He's referring to the now missing Browser only install option. OK. Let's see... Firefox (linux) is a 9.4Mb download, SeaMonkey (linux) is 13Mb. Let's just suppose one want's to use Thunderbird as an email client.. that's 10.9Mb (linux) download. In any event, SM can easily be run as a browser only, but I seriously doubt that Russell only did that through all of his Netscape to SeaMonkey transitions. I reckon we'll never know as he's already opted to go off to some other M$ X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 land. If you may recall, Russell was the author of the Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature? in which I _think_ solutions were provided to resolve his issue. In fact, KristleBawl provide information on doing so. In the thread I also found some isues. At that point Russell could/should have filed a bug if the problem continued to be a problem for him. Me thinks that Russell has just posted a troll... no details are provided, the post smacks of someone that simply just wanted to find an excuse to move on. So perhaps we can do the same? BTW: Here was Russell's response in that thread: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote: Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter) Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose New Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name and set the value to true. Thanks KristleBawl :-)) Russell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in Java. Phil I thought Java had been put is something called a sandbox (not an actual sandbox, a type of security measure to prevent it from doing something its not. Perhaps JavaScript could be as well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
»Q« wrote: Innews:4u6dnfwf9mmxvvvwnz2dnuvz_jvi4...@mozilla.org, Leonidas Jonesleonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: »Q« wrote: I've installed a browser-only SM 2.0.2. To get mailto links working, I had to edit my profile's mimeTypes.rdf, but it works. Okay, how did you install it browser only? I'm using and OS, Gentoo GNU/Linux, for which everything is compiled on the user's machine. Using the configure arguments --disable-mailnews --disable-composer prevents those components aren't built. AFAIK, it's not possible to install only the browser without compiling it yourself, but I guess someone could come along and provide precompiled browser-only installers for Windows and Mac. I see. I've never got around to compiling a build. Maybe a summer project? One of these days. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: I have tabs turned off for now. But everything opens in new windows (which is better than tabs.) I'd like for it to re-use the current window. I know on SM 1.1.18 there were certain sites that forced new windows. but most would reuse the same window. In SM 2 everything brings up a new window. for example: if I click a link say with this post. It should open the existing browser window, and show the content there. But actually my ISP's home page window is untouched, and I have two window instances. If I click on to another page within that page, most of the time another window comes up. There should be a setting that is currently grouped in tabbed browsing where you can change that. Be aware that the internal mail client follows the setting for external applications, though. Robert Kaiser There actually no definitive setting saying use windows instead of tabs I have Link open behavior - new window Links from other application - new window if set for open in existing window or tab then it shows tabs instead of windows. Existing window/tab should not open any new tabs, but actually reuse what is currently open - and IIRC, that is what you want. Robert Kaiser I've fixed by this method: I found a solution, and SM works ten times as fast as it did before in the browser. I went back to preferences and chose open *Window/Tab* in same window for both Link open Behavior and links from other applications. Then while here, where I made sure tabs don't show up at all. I ticked the check mark box beside use tabs only if middle button (Mouse) plus Return is hit. I'd say it opens pages almost as fast as iCab which seems to be the fastest browser I have. Beats Opera 10, FF, Camino, OmniWeb. Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot backup, it will damage your credibility. 10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in new tabs just as fast as new windows. Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep track of that many windows is a nightmare. I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you, that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back that up. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client. It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct this. It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on startup...which is what I do. So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups. The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server - which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my Intel iMac, which is my primary machine. That way, I can roam with my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to messages when I get home and store them in a central location before deleting them. More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO. Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think. So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not, then re-read what Benoit wrote. No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would be what the user would desire, right? I get what Benoit is saying, but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying... Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was fully-featured. If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the system's default e-mail client. If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client. The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do. Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into code and/or recompile anything. I can still understand those whom might want a browser only install... ...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go though the user's primary server for all sends. Something I don't presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: /snip/ Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot backup, it will damage your credibility. 10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in new tabs just as fast as new windows. Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep track of that many windows is a nightmare. I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you, that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back that up. Lee YMMV. But for me its like the difference between night and day. And, it was related to having Multiple windows open for going each link in a page rather than reusing the same window. I don't have the luxury of one of the newfangled 8 GB , quadcore machines. I'm still using just a lowly 1.67GB PowerPC Machine. Plus I have a Slow DSL Line (1 mb synchronous). so setting to open in same window sped up for me as I said. As you know, I don't do tabs. Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster??? I will detail the tests I ran. I do have a fast iMac, with a fast cable connection. I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20 links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links. I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows. There was virtually no difference. The my.myway pages show the load time, and most gave the tabs a slight edge, but from my standpoint, I didn't actually notice a difference. All the pages opened quickly, whether tabs or windows. Knowing that you have an older Mac, I reran the same test on my PowerMac G4, running Tiger. Its a 450 mhz with 640 MB of ram, far slower than what you are running. Same results, if anything, the tabs were faster, though it was not noticeable as a user, within less then a second. Interesting to note the old PowerMac pulled the pages just as fast as the iMac Intel. iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo 4 GB RAM PowerMac PPC G4 450 MHz 640 MB RAM Same internet connection, same SM 2.0.2, same speed. I've always said that older machines are far from dead as far as the internet is concerned. Phillip, I respect what you are trying to do here. I agree with a lot of it, some of it I disagree completely, but I respect it none the less. But, when you say things like 10 times faster with absolutely nothing to back it up, and indeed, when it is just clearly so wrong, it damages your credibility, and people are much less likely to take you seriously. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On 02/01/2010 05:41 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: ... As you know, I don't do tabs. Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster??? And this has *what* to do with this thread? Come on... Phillip has already been asked to start a *new* thread regarding his tab issue. Unless he's planning to follow Russell's path and say goodbye to SeaMonkey, I suggest that both of you *start a new thread*. Thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: /snip/ Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot backup, it will damage your credibility. 10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in new tabs just as fast as new windows. Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep track of that many windows is a nightmare. I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you, that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back that up. Lee YMMV. But for me its like the difference between night and day. And, it was related to having Multiple windows open for going each link in a page rather than reusing the same window. I don't have the luxury of one of the newfangled 8 GB , quadcore machines. I'm still using just a lowly 1.67GB PowerPC Machine. Plus I have a Slow DSL Line (1 mb synchronous). so setting to open in same window sped up for me as I said. As you know, I don't do tabs. Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster??? I will detail the tests I ran. I do have a fast iMac, with a fast cable connection. I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20 links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links. I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows. There was virtually no difference. The my.myway pages show the load time, and most gave the tabs a slight edge, but from my standpoint, I didn't actually notice a difference. All the pages opened quickly, whether tabs or windows. Knowing that you have an older Mac, I reran the same test on my PowerMac G4, running Tiger. Its a 450 mhz with 640 MB of ram, far slower than what you are running. Same results, if anything, the tabs were faster, though it was not noticeable as a user, within less then a second. Interesting to note the old PowerMac pulled the pages just as fast as the iMac Intel. iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo 4 GB RAM PowerMac PPC G4 450 MHz 640 MB RAM Same internet connection, same SM 2.0.2, same speed. I've always said that older machines are far from dead as far as the internet is concerned. Phillip, I respect what you are trying to do here. I agree with a lot of it, some of it I disagree completely, but I respect it none the less. But, when you say things like 10 times faster with absolutely nothing to back it up, and indeed, when it is just clearly so wrong, it damages your credibility, and people are much less likely to take you seriously. Lee I neglected to note that the PowerMac is running OS X 10.4.11, which I believe to be the same as Phillip's G4. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client. It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct this. It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on startup...which is what I do. So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups. The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server - which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my Intel iMac, which is my primary machine. That way, I can roam with my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to messages when I get home and store them in a central location before deleting them. More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO. Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think. So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not, then re-read what Benoit wrote. No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would be what the user would desire, right? I get what Benoit is saying, but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying... Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was fully-featured. If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the system's default e-mail client. If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client. The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do. Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into code and/or recompile anything. I can still understand those whom might want a browser only install... ...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go though the user's primary server for all sends. Something I don't presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think. What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than a much better preference setup and FF. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: /snip/ Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot backup, it will damage your credibility. 10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in new tabs just as fast as new windows. Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep track of that many windows is a nightmare. I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you, that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back that up. Lee YMMV. But for me its like the difference between night and day. And, it was related to having Multiple windows open for going each link in a page rather than reusing the same window. I don't have the luxury of one of the newfangled 8 GB , quadcore machines. I'm still using just a lowly 1.67GB PowerPC Machine. Plus I have a Slow DSL Line (1 mb synchronous). so setting to open in same window sped up for me as I said. As you know, I don't do tabs. Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster??? I will detail the tests I ran. I do have a fast iMac, with a fast cable connection. I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20 links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links. I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows. There was virtually no difference. The my.myway pages show the load time, and most gave the tabs a slight edge, but from my standpoint, I didn't actually notice a difference. All the pages opened quickly, whether tabs or windows. Knowing that you have an older Mac, I reran the same test on my PowerMac G4, running Tiger. Its a 450 mhz with 640 MB of ram, far slower than what you are running. Same results, if anything, the tabs were faster, though it was not noticeable as a user, within less then a second. Interesting to note the old PowerMac pulled the pages just as fast as the iMac Intel. iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo 4 GB RAM PowerMac PPC G4 450 MHz 640 MB RAM Same internet connection, same SM 2.0.2, same speed. I've always said that older machines are far from dead as far as the internet is concerned. Phillip, I respect what you are trying to do here. I agree with a lot of it, some of it I disagree completely, but I respect it none the less. But, when you say things like 10 times faster with absolutely nothing to back it up, and indeed, when it is just clearly so wrong, it damages your credibility, and people are much less likely to take you seriously. Lee Please reread. 10 times as opposed the way it was (opening multiple windows and not reusing the same window). I've tried tabs (I just don't use them) and for my setup and machine they are slow. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in Java. I meant Java as a plugin. And then, even Java in total is decreasing. Maybe people just don't want to do business with Oracle, the creator and home of Java (yes, it is now) or it's just that the language is useless enough - make your own judgments. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I just read and understand: So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it did not opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client I can't remember saying that. Exact, i just asked you ... in other words ... Is it possible, when in the Seamonkey browser when i click on a mailto link, to start per exemple the default-mail client instead of the SM-mail-client ? Yes, there are some about:config settings to do that, but it's surely not the default and it doesn't need to be, as there is no better mail client as our own (and if there were, everyone here would be writing patches to change that). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client. It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct this. It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on startup...which is what I do. So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups. The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server - which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my Intel iMac, which is my primary machine. That way, I can roam with my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to messages when I get home and store them in a central location before deleting them. More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO. Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think. So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not, then re-read what Benoit wrote. No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would be what the user would desire, right? I get what Benoit is saying, but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying... Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was fully-featured. If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the system's default e-mail client. If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client. The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do. Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into code and/or recompile anything. I can still understand those whom might want a browser only install... ...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go though the user's primary server for all sends. Something I don't presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think. What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than a much better preference setup and FF. Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail client other than SM Mail/News. I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't. Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe saves some disk space. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
On 02/01/2010 06:10 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in Java. I meant Java as a plugin. And then, even Java in total is decreasing. Maybe people just don't want to do business with Oracle, the creator and home of Java (yes, it is now) or it's just that the language is useless enough - make your own judgments. Robert Kaiser I think that perhaps you need to go back on vacation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language) Perhaps you mean Sun Microsystems; soon to be Oracle. So I reckon that we'll just shut down OpenOffice.org and other FOSS programs that depend upon Java for the wizards et al? How about javascorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language) and multiple other Java based programs that I use on a regular basis? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Java ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
On 02/01/2010 06:47 PM, NoOp wrote: On 02/01/2010 06:10 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now. Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java isn't used that much any more - Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in Java. I meant Java as a plugin. And then, even Java in total is decreasing. Maybe people just don't want to do business with Oracle, the creator and home of Java (yes, it is now) or it's just that the language is useless enough - make your own judgments. Robert Kaiser I think that perhaps you need to go back on vacation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language) Perhaps you mean Sun Microsystems; soon to be Oracle. So I reckon that we'll just shut down OpenOffice.org and other FOSS programs that depend upon Java for the wizards et al? How about Sorry, should have been: http://www.gromurph.org/javascore/ and multiple other Java based programs that I use on a regular basis? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Java Regarding security; there were some issues with Fx 3.0.x: http://secunia.com/secunia_research/2009-19/ and of course there are more recent issues: http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=java but none that I see in SeaMonkey of late: http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=seamonkey or Firefox: http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=firefox So unless you know something more about Java issues than the above, I wonder where your statements originate from. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote the following on 01-30-2010 10:28 AM: Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: BeeNeR wrote: snip Absolutely. That is just one of the reasons I've used Netscape, Mozilla, and now SeaMonkey. Yes. When did the integration take place? Netscape version 3.0 or so? The first version I used was Netscape 3.0.a.Gold which I had to pay $35.00 Buck for. it was received on a CD and had a Paper Back 200 page manual. OMG, I had the very same thing! Then I used version 4 until migrating to Mozilla. -- Regards, CatThief To reply privately, please PM me at MozillaZine http://forums.mozillazine.org/ucp.php?i=pmmode=composeu=25774 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!
Hi! I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors. Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't tested that it actually fills in forms at all. http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/autofill_forms-0.9.5.2-mod.xpi Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ping Q . . . Claws Mail
In news:t4odnrkkoe5z7fvwnz2dnuvz_rkdn...@mozilla.org, BJ rbjamienos...@nospamgmail.com wrote: Hey Q, Why do you use Claws mail instead of TB or SM? What features does it have that they don't? (I'm assuming that you use it for features that SM or TB don't have . . . or is it just personal preference?) I haven't compared any feature with recent versions of SM or TB, and I don't think comparisons of Claws Mail with obsolete Mozilla products would do any good. I have TB 3 installed, but so far I've only looked at how it handles rss, not mail or news. The Claws Mail site has a lengthy features list. If you're interested in any of them, ping me in m.general and I'll answer whatever I can about them. So, why do you use SM instead of Claws Mail? ;) -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client. It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct this. It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on startup...which is what I do. So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups. The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server - which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my Intel iMac, which is my primary machine. That way, I can roam with my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to messages when I get home and store them in a central location before deleting them. More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO. Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think. So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not, then re-read what Benoit wrote. No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would be what the user would desire, right? I get what Benoit is saying, but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying... Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was fully-featured. If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the system's default e-mail client. If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client. The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do. Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into code and/or recompile anything. I can still understand those whom might want a browser only install... ...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go though the user's primary server for all sends. Something I don't presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think. What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than a much better preference setup and FF. Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail client other than SM Mail/News. I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't. Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe saves some disk space. Not to jump in at the hopefully end of this thread, but SeaMonkey is a Suite of programs. If you just want a browser and a separate e-mail program then maybe you should try some other programs that better suit your needs? -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:38:55 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote: Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter) Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose New Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name and set the value to true. Thanks KristleBawl :-)) Russell Yes, I thanked him because I thought it sounded like a solution ... but it didn't work and I got fed up trying. Even mucked things up worse when trying to do some of the Registry hack solutions other folks had posted. I've never used a Netscape newsreader and have used Forte since it first came out. I have also used Pegasus mail since it was 1st released as well and still use it! I really don't care for HTML email. So I've turned into an old fart ;-) I have clients who need to use Outlook for their email and others who prefer to choose their own email programs. I posted my goodbye because I *am* truly sad to have to dump SM. I also teach, and students who see my laptop would ask what's that Seamonkey thing and I liked the fact that I was being 'different'. But using Pegasus and Forte Agent is also part of that 'being different'. When SM stopped offering a custom install it forced me to choose between my favourite email client and my favourite browser. I tried to stick with v1.1.18. But more and more sites were causing problems and now Google has announced that Google app support for older browsers will soon be discontinued. So it's either use SM 2.x,and never have email links open my preferred email program, or use Firefox or other browser. fwiw, when (if every again) Seamonkey offers an easy option to choose an outside email program for mailto links, then I WILL be back in a flash .. though I don't care much for Flash either g Russell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? No overwhelming reason to use the new versions. I have no desire to use the latest and greatest O/S, broswer, or other software just to say that I am. I am not worried about security. I don't cruise the web. Not enough time in the day for that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
