Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread cyberzen

George Carden a écrit :

BeeNeR wrote:

On or about 1/31/2010 10:58 AM, George Carden typed the following:

The old ways I am aware of for printing a list of passwords from the
Password Manager don't seem to work in SeaMonkey V2.

This link describes what I'd been doing...

http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_pw.php

Ed, or anyone, what is the best way to print passwords now in version 2?

Thanks!

-George


Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848



Only works with Firefox...not SeaMonkey.

-George


I can remember having used this extent in firefox a long time ago, the 
trick was to make available the passwords file of seamonkey to firefox 
by importing seamonkey's profile in firefox...

a cvs file can be opened in a spreadsheet (excel)
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Herrmann Hofer

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came from, but 
here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
  head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; 
font-size: 9pt;

padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
  /head
  body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1 
cellspacing=0

  tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

  script type=text/javascript
  !--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager = 
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager = 
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);


// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

  document.write( tr\n\n);
  document.write( td align=left\n\n);
  document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd 
align=left\n\n  + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n 
 + login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);


}
  --
  /script
/table
  /body
/html
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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-02 Thread Nairda

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 1/2/2010 00:00, Phillip Jones told the world:

Most Banks don't accept any and browser that has a version number of 
Version 1.x on anything.  My bank Suntrust said the didn't accept  a 
version one of any browser. I change the the user agent to  add /not 
FireFox 2.0 would work just fine. As soon as I switched to SM I didn't 
have to use the altered UA string.


I don't believe that to be the case. The site didn't refuse Seamonkey
outright, but some essential features (like the on-screen keyboard used
for logging on) simply didn't work.


Try MrTech Extension and see if Multizalla works with forced compatibility.



No, Multizilla is too big and complex -- it doesn't just add a localized
feature, it replaces a large part of Seamonkey's UI. There's just too
many places where it hooks into the old XPFE toolkit.

The author was working on a Toolkit (Suiterunner) build, but he doesn't
have much time for the project these days, so it is essentially stalled
for the time being. I even tested the Suiterunner build a few months
ago, but it's still too broken to be usable.




I'm sorry to hear that Multizilla wont work in SM2.x, it's my 
favourite extension.  If I have to drop it, I'll have to spend 
quite some time setting up preferences from scratch.  It's 
literally years since I've has to do that.


I really hope HJ gets inspired enough to do the migration.  He is 
the true father of tabbed browsing.  So we all owe him a debt of 
gratitude.


So, 1.1.18 it is then. :-/
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2010-02-02 Thread stan

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attachments

2010-02-02 Thread stan

Hi,
Q1: Where is seamonkey storing attachment files?
Q2: Are the attachment files stored there automaticaly if I am in 
automaticaly download messages mode?
q3: Can I change directory where the seamonkey is storing the attachment 
files?

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Daniel

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

/snip/

Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot
backup, it will damage your credibility.

10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening
windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in
new tabs just as fast as new windows.

Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep
track of that many windows is a nightmare.

I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple
or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you,
that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back
that up.

Lee



YMMV.

But for me its like the difference between night and day. And, it was
related to having Multiple windows open for going each link in a page
rather than reusing the same window.

I don't have the luxury of one of the newfangled 8 GB , quadcore
machines. I'm still using just a lowly 1.67GB PowerPC Machine. Plus I
have a Slow DSL Line (1 mb synchronous). so setting to open in same
window sped up for me as I said.

As you know, I don't do tabs.



Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster???

I will detail the tests I ran.

I do have a fast iMac, with a fast cable connection.

I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20
links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links.

I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows.

There was virtually no difference. The my.myway pages show the load
time, and most gave the tabs a slight edge, but from my standpoint, I
didn't actually notice a difference. All the pages opened quickly,
whether tabs or windows.

Knowing that you have an older Mac, I reran the same test on my PowerMac
G4, running Tiger. Its a 450 mhz with 640 MB of ram, far slower than
what you are running.

Same results, if anything, the tabs were faster, though it was not
noticeable as a user, within less then a second.

Interesting to note the old PowerMac pulled the pages just as fast as
the iMac Intel.

iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2
3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo
4 GB RAM

PowerMac PPC G4
450 MHz
640 MB RAM

Same internet connection, same SM 2.0.2, same speed. I've always said
that older machines are far from dead as far as the internet is
concerned.

Phillip, I respect what you are trying to do here. I agree with a lot
of it, some of it I disagree completely, but I respect it none the less.

But, when you say things like 10 times faster with absolutely nothing
to back it up, and indeed, when it is just clearly so wrong, it damages
your credibility, and people are much less likely to take you seriously.

Lee





Please reread. 10 times as opposed the way it was (opening multiple
windows and not reusing the same window). I've tried tabs (I just don't
use them) and for my setup and machine they are slow.



Phillip, did you miss Lee's para...I then cleared the cache, and 
repeated with opening new windows.


Sure seems like he tried multiple Windows to me, not just comparing a 
iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 with a PowerMac PPC G4


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Re: E-Mail adress suggestions

2010-02-02 Thread seamon2
Ray_Net schrieb:
 Bill Davidsen wrote:
 Ray_Net wrote:
 Ray_Net wrote:
 I did not know if i am dreaming or not, but i have the impression that:
 with SM1.1.18 the mail adress suggestions list when begining to type an
 adress was a list beginning with/sorted by last recently used.
 Now with SM 2.0.2 it looks like a sort of a strange alphabetic order.

 Is a bug already filled ?
 Am i wrong ?

 Nobody have seen this ?

 I think it's some kind of weighted LRU, I get the impression that if you
 make the same choice it rises (or something like that). If I email
 someone at their home rather than work the order changes at times.

 It looks like the LRU mechanism has dissappeared in 2.0.2.
Hi,
Users here experience and complain about exactly the described behavior.
I've not found a filled bug, we should at least add the lru-feature to
the wishlist.
Gerd Ott
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Daniel

Robert Kaiser wrote:

NoOp schrieb:

Really? And early versions of Netscape were just simple browsers?
I still have both Mosaic and Netscape on disk, including a version of
the first Netscape w/support license. I suppose I could pull it out of
the archives (shelf) and check it, but I seem to recall that it included
an email client.


Very early versions were browser-only for sure, but I can't exactly tell
which version was the first to have a mail client. I heard it was some
3.x version, but I wasn't around at that time.

Robert Kaiser


Let's get real, people.

Had been niggling away at me for a while, so I've arced up the Desktop 
computer with Win98 on it and there in the release notes for Netscape 
Navigator 1.1 (Windows), in the README.TXT, under the section heading 
Running Netscape, the second para states You must have a direct 
Internet connection before you can use Netscape. The ability to send and 
receive e-mail does not necessarily mean you can run Netscape. There are 
three requirements for Netscape Navigator 1.1..


O.K., it doesn't specifically say you can use Netscape 1.1 to send and 
receive e-mail.


In the program itself, you can select Directory-Go to Newsgroups or 
you can select File-Mail Document opens up a page where you can enter 
Mail To (which I guess is where you would but an e-mail address) or or 
the same page, Post Newsgroup (which is pretty obvious), Subject and 
Attachment


Then a large portion of the screen where you can type information, and, 
at the bottom, Send, Quote Document and Cancel



If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 1.1N Copyright 1994-1995 Netscape 
Communications Corporation, All rights reserved.


I think I've got NN 0.9 on a floppy disk somewhere, and I think it has 
mail as well (but don't quote me!!).


Daniel
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Daniel

Phillip Jones wrote:

John Doue wrote:

On 2/1/2010 12:26 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 8:09 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Just want to keep making the point not everyone desires tabs. And make
sure us people that don't, have the ability to customize the way we
want. I may be the only one on the groups that does, but there are
most
likely unspoken thousands, that share my views.


Thousands?


Yes. there perhaps only 1/1000's or 1/1's of the actual users
actually frequent the newsgroups, forums and such. what opinions are
represented here, are the people that frequent here. They have no
resemble to the people that Use SeaMonkey, FireFox, ThunderBird and have
no idea these support forums are even here. Plus many ISP's and cable,
Phone Companies are going away with news servers, or even limiting
email. So there are *many* users that don't even know we exist.


So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to
have the install routine display a notice of our existence? Better
yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu?

This newsgroup has invaluable information and by keeping users abreast
of issues, comments and so on, shores up the interest they have in a
product we love.



I agree but if one goes to Mozilla page for SeaMonkey, FireFox,
Thunderbird unless its buried in fine print. There is no mention of a
support venue. There are places to click for if you want to know what
changed since last version and where to get nightlies and so on The main
page designed more for people like us that are willing to be beta or
alpha testers, or developers but as John Q Public that know little more
than how to turn on or off his /her computer they are out of luck.

If you examine just our postings here. There are maybe at the most 20-30
people that actually do most of the posting.

I suspect its done on purpose. So that they don't have to worry about a
newbie getting on and answering a question all of know how to get to,
blindfolded and one hand tied behind our back, do in our sleep.



In Preferences (Edit-Preferences-MailNewsgroups) there a section 
where you can tell SeaMonkey, When mail launches, show the Start Page 
in the message area, and then the default location is 
chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml


Has anybody looked at this recently. I have and it seems to me this 
would be the ideal place to tell new users that if they want help where 
they should go, give them clickable links to this group and maybe a 
couple of others.


Have SM, by default, show this screen to start with, then, when people 
are more experienced *and know where to go if they want help*, then they 
can change the setting in Prefs.js


That way they get the good-oil from other users*US*

Daniel
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


THAT'S IT!!!  Herrmann, THANK YOU!  You da man! ;-)

-George
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Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread user
I finally upgraded to the new Sea Monkey from 1.? version about three 
days ago and now having a devil of a time.
1.  I have at least two crashes a day, if not more which throws me out 
of Sea Monkey

2.  When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF 
files in a web browser.  Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your 
web browser and try again.
I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional. 
 I never had this problem before I upgraded, why now?
I also don't have either of the Adobe Acrobats running in the 
background, but normally use them to open these files on line or in 
e-mails.  Maybe I am not understanding the error message correctly?


Nancy A.
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Re: Ping Q . . . Claws Mail

2010-02-02 Thread BJ

»Q« wrote:

Innews:t4odnrkkoe5z7fvwnz2dnuvz_rkdn...@mozilla.org,
BJrbjamienos...@nospamgmail.com  wrote:


Hey Q,

Why do you use Claws mail instead of TB or SM?  What features does it
have that they don't?  (I'm assuming that you use it for features
that SM or TB don't have . . . or is it just personal preference?)


I haven't compared any feature with recent versions of SM or TB, and I
don't think comparisons of Claws Mail with obsolete Mozilla products
would do any good.  I have TB 3 installed, but so far I've only looked
at how it handles rss, not mail or news.

The Claws Mail site has a lengthy features list.  If you're interested
in any of them, ping me in m.general and I'll answer whatever I can
about them.

So, why do you use SM instead of Claws Mail? ;)



Am just messing with SM to see if I like it any better than FF or TB, 
which are actually my defaults.  So far, I'm staying with FF and TB, but 
I want to give SM a full and fair evaluation, so I'm still messing with 
it.  I may do the same thing with Claws, which is why I asked you the 
question.  If Claws is not substantially different than TB, in features, 
I figure then why bother?


I have this NG subscribed in SM alone just so I can mess with SM and see 
how it works with NG's . . .  that's why you see the SM User Agent here. 
 I have m.general, m.s. thunderbird, and m.s.firefox subscribed in TB.


The main disadvantage of SM that I see right now is that a lot of addons 
that I use with FF are not compatible with SM (2.02) . . . I guess it 
may be just a case of the addon developers getting around to updating 
for this release.


However, one significant drawback for me for SM is the incompatibility 
with TMP.  Unlike Phillip, I use tabs a lot.  On the developer forum for 
TMP, the developer said he would NEVER make a TMP for SM.  That may end 
up to be a deal breaker for me for SM unless I can find settings in SM 
that give me what I use TMP for.  Am drifting off topic here, so I won't 
go into the TMP features I want.


Anyway, to get back on topic, I'd really like to know if Claws has any 
slick features that TB doesn't have before I clutter up my machine 
with an installation.


I've looked on the Claws Mail site at the features (before I asked you 
the question), and so far I haven't seen anything that sticks out as 
being above TB (or SM for that matter) . . . which is another reason why 
I asked you the question.  But I'll look again, and if I see anything 
that I think needs more clarification, I may take you up on your offer 
(just be aware, as I said, that you will see TB as my UA in m.general). 
 And thanks for the offer . . . though I'd be even more appreciative if 
you could tell me what Claws has to offer above TB.


BJ
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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

NoOp wrote:

On 02/01/2010 06:10 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now.


Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java
isn't used that much any more -


Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be
using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in
Java.


I meant Java as a plugin. And then, even Java in total is decreasing.
Maybe people just don't want to do business with Oracle, the creator and
home of Java (yes, it is now) or it's just that the language is useless
enough - make your own judgments.

Robert Kaiser


I think that perhaps you need to go back on vacation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)

Perhaps you mean Sun Microsystems; soon to be Oracle. So I reckon that
we'll just shut down OpenOffice.org and other FOSS programs that depend
upon Java for the wizards et al? How about
javascorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)
and multiple other Java based programs that I use on a regular basis?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Java




Isn't Joomla(?) a version of Java?

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a
browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM,
they can use their preferred ones.

The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail
client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in
SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client.

It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct
this.

It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as
easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to
Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on
startup...which is what I do.

So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I
use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups.

The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server -
which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my
Intel iMac, which is my primary machine.  That way, I can roam with
my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to
messages when I get home and store them in a central location before
deleting them.

More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, IMO.
Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think.



So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can
click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not,
then
re-read what Benoit wrote.


No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would
be what the user would desire, right?  I get what Benoit is saying,
but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying...


Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was
fully-featured.

If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means
that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the
system's default e-mail client.

If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least
mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if
SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client.

The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with
another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a
stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence
mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be mostly
corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do.


Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for
using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things
available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into
code and/or recompile anything.  I can still understand those whom might
want a browser only install...

...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an
automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go
though the user's primary server for all sends.  Something I don't
presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think.



What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all.  And maybe
saves some disk space.

I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only. 
does not support NNTP.


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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Nairda wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 1/2/2010 00:00, Phillip Jones told the world:


Most Banks don't accept any and browser that has a version number of
Version 1.x on anything.  My bank Suntrust said the didn't accept  a
version one of any browser. I change the the user agent to  add /not
FireFox 2.0 would work just fine. As soon as I switched to SM I didn't
have to use the altered UA string.


I don't believe that to be the case. The site didn't refuse Seamonkey
outright, but some essential features (like the on-screen keyboard used
for logging on) simply didn't work.


Try MrTech Extension and see if Multizalla works with forced compatibility.



No, Multizilla is too big and complex -- it doesn't just add a localized
feature, it replaces a large part of Seamonkey's UI. There's just too
many places where it hooks into the old XPFE toolkit.

The author was working on a Toolkit (Suiterunner) build, but he doesn't
have much time for the project these days, so it is essentially stalled
for the time being. I even tested the Suiterunner build a few months
ago, but it's still too broken to be usable.




I'm sorry to hear that Multizilla wont work in SM2.x, it's my
favourite extension.  If I have to drop it, I'll have to spend
quite some time setting up preferences from scratch.  It's
literally years since I've has to do that.

I really hope HJ gets inspired enough to do the migration.  He is
the _true father of tabbed browsing_ .  So we all owe him a debt of
gratitude.

So, 1.1.18 it is then. :-/

ahh so that's the rascal that's responsible.

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Changed to Improving of using single Widows was Re: Goodbye SeaMonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Daniel wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

/snip/

Phillip, I would be careful about making statements that you cannot
backup, it will damage your credibility.

10 times faster? Come on now! I tried disabling tabs, and opening
windows instead, with no gain in speed at all. The same links open in
new tabs just as fast as new windows.

Not to mention, I often have 10-20 tabs open at a time. Trying to keep
track of that many windows is a nightmare.

I realize this might not be your work model. If you only have a couple
or three open at a time, it probably works, and if it works for you,
that's great. But 10 times faster? Please provide some data to back
that up.

Lee



YMMV.

But for me its like the difference between night and day. And, it was
related to having Multiple windows open for going each link in a page
rather than reusing the same window.

I don't have the luxury of one of the newfangled 8 GB , quadcore
machines. I'm still using just a lowly 1.67GB PowerPC Machine. Plus I
have a Slow DSL Line (1 mb synchronous). so setting to open in same
window sped up for me as I said.

As you know, I don't do tabs.



Well, then how the heck do you know its 10 times faster???

I will detail the tests I ran.

I do have a fast iMac, with a fast cable connection.

I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20
links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links.

I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows.

There was virtually no difference. The my.myway pages show the load
time, and most gave the tabs a slight edge, but from my standpoint, I
didn't actually notice a difference. All the pages opened quickly,
whether tabs or windows.

Knowing that you have an older Mac, I reran the same test on my PowerMac
G4, running Tiger. Its a 450 mhz with 640 MB of ram, far slower than
what you are running.

Same results, if anything, the tabs were faster, though it was not
noticeable as a user, within less then a second.

Interesting to note the old PowerMac pulled the pages just as fast as
the iMac Intel.

iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2
3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo
4 GB RAM

PowerMac PPC G4
450 MHz
640 MB RAM

Same internet connection, same SM 2.0.2, same speed. I've always said
that older machines are far from dead as far as the internet is
concerned.

Phillip, I respect what you are trying to do here. I agree with a lot
of it, some of it I disagree completely, but I respect it none the less.

But, when you say things like 10 times faster with absolutely nothing
to back it up, and indeed, when it is just clearly so wrong, it damages
your credibility, and people are much less likely to take you seriously.

Lee





Please reread. 10 times as opposed the way it was (opening multiple
windows and not reusing the same window). I've tried tabs (I just don't
use them) and for my setup and machine they are slow.



Phillip, did you miss Lee's para...I then cleared the cache, and
repeated with opening new windows.

Sure seems like he tried multiple Windows to me, not just comparing a
iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 with a PowerMac PPC G4

Daniel


Yes I have to keep my cache files clean. In fact I clean them at least 
once a day. If I don't SM 2.0.2 crashes. As it stands now it has been 
crashing about once ever two or three days. I've started out with 1, 
then 10, then back to 1000, finally 5000 nothing seems to help. 
Funny thing it affects email more than web browsing but sometimes it 
affects web browsing.


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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

2. When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF
files in a web browser. Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your
web browser and try again.
I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional.



Did you try reinstalling Reader? It would make sense, if SM was 
installed after Reader was, that the latter wouldn't be integrated.


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Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

  My wife tells me that she cannot check the spelling of e-mail messages
before sending them from her laptop running xubuntu-9.10. She tells me that
she's looked in the preferences and did not find where to enable the
spelling checker.

  I don't use seamonkey so I'd appreciate pointers on where to look to turn
on this feature.

TIA,

Rich
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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

Rich Shepard a écrit :

  My wife tells me that she cannot check the spelling of e-mail messages
before sending them from her laptop running xubuntu-9.10. She tells me that
she's looked in the preferences and did not find where to enable the
spelling checker.


In the browser, go in Edit - Preferences - Email and newsgroups; in 
the third line under Email and newsgroups (sorry, I use the French 
version of SM so I can't tell you precisely what it's called, but it 
should be something like 'writing email') you'll find a spelling 
(spellcheck?) section, in which you can choose to check spelling before 
sending mail or doing it it as you type. Check whichever option you want.


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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Philip Chee wrote:

Hi!

I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
tested that it actually fills in forms at all.

http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/autofill_forms-0.9.5.2-mod.xpi

Phil




I've installed it. But notice some of the windows are not long enough.
How much trouble is to make them adjustable.

also you missed category for Fax and cell phone.

Do I disable Forms History Manager?


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:


In the browser, go in Edit - Preferences - Email and newsgroups; in the
third line under Email and newsgroups (sorry, I use the French version of
SM so I can't tell you precisely what it's called, but it should be
something like 'writing email') you'll find a spelling (spellcheck?)
section, in which you can choose to check spelling before sending mail or
doing it it as you type. Check whichever option you want.


S,

  That's what I thought, and both options are checked under the Composing
section.

  Can you suggest where else I should look for the apparent lack of
checking?

Thanks very much,

Rich
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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread user

S. Beaulieu wrote:

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

2. When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF
files in a web browser. Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your
web browser and try again.
I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional.



Did you try reinstalling Reader? It would make sense, if SM was
installed after Reader was, that the latter wouldn't be integrated.

S.


No, I haven't, but will.  Never thought about that.  Do you have any 
fixes for the crashes g?

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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-02 Thread M van Ketel

Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 02/01/2010 06:10 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:12:13 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Its JavaScript not Java. Java is pretty secure now.


Actually, Java isn't more secure than JavaScript, it's just that Java
isn't used that much any more -


Really? Perhaps you should tell Google that because they seem to be
using Java extensively. Example: Android. Even googlemail is written in
Java.


I meant Java as a plugin. And then, even Java in total is decreasing.
Maybe people just don't want to do business with Oracle, the creator and
home of Java (yes, it is now) or it's just that the language is useless
enough - make your own judgments.

Robert Kaiser


I think that perhaps you need to go back on vacation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)

Perhaps you mean Sun Microsystems; soon to be Oracle. So I reckon that
we'll just shut down OpenOffice.org and other FOSS programs that depend
upon Java for the wizards et al? How about
javascorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)
and multiple other Java based programs that I use on a regular basis?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Java




Isn't Joomla(?) a version of Java?



No, Joomla is a open source CMS (http://www.joomla.org/)

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:

In the browser, go in Edit - Preferences - Email and newsgroups; in the 
third line under Email and newsgroups ...


  Clarification (and new information for me, too): the spelling checker
comes up but apparently does not work. She'll deliberately mis-spell words,
select check spelling, see the display but no words are marked as
mis-spelled. When she tries this again she sees a message that there are no
mis-spelled words.

  Strange. I've no idea where to look for the reason since aspell and the
English dictionary are installed and apparently being invoked.

Thanks,

Rich
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Ray_Net

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

I just read and understand:
So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can
click on it and it did not opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client


I can't remember saying that.


Exact, i just asked you ... in other words ... Is it possible, when in
the Seamonkey browser when i click on a mailto link, to start per
exemple the default-mail client instead of the SM-mail-client ?


Yes, there are some about:config settings to do that, but it's surely
not the default and it doesn't need to be, as there is no better mail
client as our own (and if there were, everyone here would be writing
patches to change that).

The problem is not to start the better mail client, but the mail-client 
the user prefer...

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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :


No, I haven't, but will. Never thought about that. Do you have any fixes
for the crashes g?


Nope, sorry! I haven't experienced any crashing problems myself, nor has 
anyone in my office, so I'm at a loss to suggest something. I know there 
was a problem at some point with Outlook Express's address book making 
Mail crash, but I haven't heard anything about the whole browser crashing.


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

Rich Shepard a écrit :


Strange. I've no idea where to look for the reason since aspell and the
English dictionary are installed and apparently being invoked.


Did you check, under both checked boxes, that English is selected? (I 
know it's silly, but I remember at some point that being left empty for 
some reason).


Also, you could try reinstalling the dictionary (in the browser, Tools 
- Add-ons - Catalog and type 'dictionary' in the search field; you may 
have to click on the 'show all results' link). Maybe the one installed 
got corrupted.


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread chicagofan

Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:


In the browser, go in Edit -  Preferences -  Email and newsgroups; in the
third line under Email and newsgroups (sorry, I use the French version of
SM so I can't tell you precisely what it's called, but it should be
something like 'writing email') you'll find a spelling (spellcheck?)
section, in which you can choose to check spelling before sending mail or
doing it it as you type. Check whichever option you want.


S,

That's what I thought, and both options are checked under the Composing
section.

Can you suggest where else I should look for the apparent lack of
checking?

Thanks very much,

Rich


I would try UN-checking the option to check as you type, OR check when 
you send, and see if it works.

bj

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Leonidas Jones

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't 
just mail.  I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and 
newsgroups in one application.


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Ray_Net

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Rich Shepard a écrit :


Strange. I've no idea where to look for the reason since aspell and the
English dictionary are installed and apparently being invoked.


Did you check, under both checked boxes, that English is selected? (I
know it's silly, but I remember at some point that being left empty for
some reason).

Also, you could try reinstalling the dictionary (in the browser, Tools
- Add-ons - Catalog and type 'dictionary' in the search field; you may
have to click on the 'show all results' link). Maybe the one installed
got corrupted.

S.


My experience. I have installed french then i was not happy with my 
choice, i uninstall it and install french classic - perfect.
But there is still place where we can specify french instead of 
french-classic. Due to the fact that the french has been uninstalled, 
the spell-checking doesnot work.


So with SM2 we have the same problems we have with SM1 - When you 
remove/uninstall/delete something the removal-work is never done correctly.

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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread Mark Hansen
On 2/2/2010 8:28 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote:
 u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

 No, I haven't, but will. Never thought about that. Do you have any fixes
 for the crashes g?
 
 Nope, sorry! I haven't experienced any crashing problems myself, nor has 
 anyone in my office, so I'm at a loss to suggest something. I know there 
 was a problem at some point with Outlook Express's address book making 
 Mail crash, but I haven't heard anything about the whole browser crashing.
 
 S.

No, that was causing a hang when entering e-mail addresses into one of
the recipient lists.
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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:00:13 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:
 Philip Chee wrote:
 Hi!

 I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
 public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
 to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
 Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
 tested that it actually fills in forms at all.

 http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/autofill_forms-0.9.5.2-mod.xpi
 
 I've installed it. But notice some of the windows are not long enough.
 How much trouble is to make them adjustable.

I only port them, I don't (normally) change the functionality. Having
said that, which windows?

 also you missed category for Fax and cell phone.

I didn't (intentionally change or remove any functionality when I ported
AFF over to SeaMonkey. Do these categories exist in Autofill Forms for
Firefox? Anyway you can always go to the options-Main and add new
categories for fax and mobile.

 Do I disable Forms History Manager?

Err, no, I would think that Autofill Forms would take care of that.

Phil

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Ray_Net

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; 
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2

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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread chicagofan

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

S. Beaulieu wrote:

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

2. When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF
files in a web browser. Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your
web browser and try again.
I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional.ei



Did you try reinstalling Reader? It would make sense, if SM was
installed after Reader was, that the latter wouldn't be integrated.

S.


No, I haven't, but will.  Never thought about that.  Do you have any
fixes for the crashesg?



I haven't experienced this problem, like SB, but have you looked at 
Helper Applications under Browser preferences?  If you click on your 
Adobe installation if it's listed there, it will show options, one of 
which is to use Adobe in SeaMonkey.


Edit/Preferences/Browser/Helper Applications
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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:16:39 -0700, u...@domain.invalid wrote:
 S. Beaulieu wrote:
 u...@domain.invalid a écrit :
 2. When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
 The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF
 files in a web browser. Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your
 web browser and try again.
 I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional.


 Did you try reinstalling Reader? It would make sense, if SM was
 installed after Reader was, that the latter wouldn't be integrated.
 
 No, I haven't, but will.  Never thought about that.  Do you have any 
 fixes for the crashes g?

It might be that the acrobat reader plugin is crashing, because it isn't
installed properly in SM2.0, and bringing down SeaMonkey with it.

Phil

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:


Did you check, under both checked boxes, that English is selected? (I know
it's silly, but I remember at some point that being left empty for some
reason).


  Interesting that you mention that. The language combobox widget is empty.
When I click on the down arrow I'm asked if I want to download more
dictionaries. I do.

  Next stop is a list of dictionary add-ons. I select the English - US
(which is installed with aspell, too), and it's added to SM.

Also, you could try reinstalling the dictionary (in the browser, Tools - 
Add-ons - Catalog and type 'dictionary' in the search field; you may have to 
click on the 'show all results' link). Maybe the one installed got corrupted.


  There is no Add-ons option under the Tools menu.

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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:00:13 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

Hi!

I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
tested that it actually fills in forms at all.

http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/autofill_forms-0.9.5.2-mod.xpi


I've installed it. But notice some of the windows are not long enough.
How much trouble is to make them adjustable.


I only port them, I don't (normally) change the functionality. Having
said that, which windows?


also you missed category for Fax and cell phone.


I didn't (intentionally change or remove any functionality when I ported
AFF over to SeaMonkey. Do these categories exist in Autofill Forms for
Firefox? Anyway you can always go to the options-Main and add new
categories for fax and mobile.


Do I disable Forms History Manager?


Err, no, I would think that Autofill Forms would take care of that.

Phil

Well when first installed windows simple and interface  had no grab 
corner and still don't if you go to add on manager and click preferences.


IF you go through the MrTech Menu Options  Then they are. Weird! I got 
them adjusted through MrTech and everything is fine now.

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Ray_Net wrote:


My experience. I have installed french then i was not happy with my
choice, i uninstall it and install french classic - perfect. But there
is still place where we can specify french instead of french-classic.
Due to the fact that the french has been uninstalled, the spell-checking
doesnot work.


  I don't see where within seamonkey I can uninstall a dictionary. As I
wrote, the combobox was blank, so I elected to download additional
dictionaries and did so for the Engish-US one. Still not working.

  Strange, eh?

Rich
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail.  I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, chicagofan wrote:


I would try UN-checking the option to check as you type, OR check when you
send, and see if it works.


bj,

  Did that. Left the check when sending on. Tried to manually invoke
checking but that failed.

  When I typed a deliberately mis-spelled sentence and clicked the Send
button, the spelling checker dialog box appeared. However, it was completely
blank. The application must have recognized there were mis-spelled words,
but that word and suggestions were not displayed. It appears this is the
real issue: no display when mis-spelled words are found.

  This could be tough to debug.

Rich

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

Rich Shepard a écrit :


There is no Add-ons option under the Tools menu.



Wait, what version of SM are you using?

S.
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your 
hard drive.  Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML 
document with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. 
Then, print it if you'd like...or whatever.  Did you save it as an HTML 
file first?

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Re: attachments

2010-02-02 Thread Leonidas Jones

stan wrote:

Hi,
Q1: Where is seamonkey storing attachment files?
Q2: Are the attachment files stored there automaticaly if I am in
automaticaly download messages mode?
q3: Can I change directory where the seamonkey is storing the attachment
files?


Until you download an attachment, it is stored as part of the mbox file 
containing the email to which it is attached.  So, if you have an email 
with an attachment in your Inbox, it will be with that email in the 
profile file called Inbox, no extension.


When you you do download the attchament, you can store it anywhere you wish.

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Leonidas Jones

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other
than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox),
but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail. I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.



Yeah, and standalone newsreaders of Mac OS X are not a real strong group.

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:


Wait, what version of SM are you using?


 1.1.17. It's what came with the xubuntu-9.10 distribution.

Rich
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Re: EVANG: Hostway

2010-02-02 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

And Tidy Extension (HTML Validator) both in SM and FF show 29 error 
and 2 warnings just on the opening page.


Thanks, I already told them the W3C validator returns 8 errors and 13 
warnings. But unless I can show a relationship between one or more 
errors and the loss of functionality, they are unlikely to be interested.




I recommend that you send them the _results_ and pointers to all three
validators and recommend/argue that as a matter of good programming
they need to correct all the syntax errors in their code at least.
After all, don't they correct all the syntax errors reported by the
compilers of all of their programs as a first step in the program
coding process.
(Or, is that no longer current common practice ???)
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Re: EVANG: Hostway

2010-02-02 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

And Tidy Extension (HTML Validator) both in SM and FF show 29 error 
and 2 warnings just on the opening page.


Thanks, I already told them the W3C validator returns 8 errors and 13 
warnings. But unless I can show a relationship between one or more 
errors and the loss of functionality, they are unlikely to be interested.




I recommend that you send them the _results_ and pointers to all three
validators and recommend/argue that as a matter of good programming
they need to correct all the syntax errors in their code at least.
After all, don't they correct all the syntax errors reported by the
compilers of all of their programs as a first step in the program
coding process.
(Or, is that no longer current common practice ???)
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other
than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox),
but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail. I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.



Yeah, and standalone newsreaders of Mac OS X are not a real strong group.

Lee


In fact there are very few news reader only applications for Mac. the 
last were two version of NewsReader one being YA-NewsReader, I believe 
the other was MW-NewsReader.


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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Gerald Ross

Gerald Ross wrote:
I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find 
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not 
allow a new password unless one previously exists.


TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18

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Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Gerald Ross
I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find 
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not 
allow a new password unless one previously exists.


TIA
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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread chicagofan

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Rich Shepard a écrit :


1.1.17. It's what came with the xubuntu-9.10 distribution.


Ah!! That's why my explanations didn't always make sense. I assumed you
were using 2.0.2.



Same here.  I just tested Spell check on sending [in 2.0.2], and it 
worked for me.  I use the other option, so I wasn't sure if there would 
be problems on sending.  Not that it matters for 1.1.17.   :)

bj
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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get 
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to 
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.


Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the 
passwords it currently is protecting.


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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Benoit Renard

JD wrote:
Not to jump in at the hopefully end of this thread, but SeaMonkey is a 
Suite of programs. If you just want a browser and a separate e-mail 
program then maybe you should try some other programs that better suit 
your needs?


SeaMonkey has always been a /modular/ suite. It could be a stand-alone 
web browser if you wanted it to be. That's a strength that should not be 
dismissed just because it can also be a suite with several components. 
If SeaMonkey as a web browser suits your needs, why look for another one?

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread NoOp
On 02/02/2010 04:29 AM, Daniel wrote:
 Robert Kaiser wrote:
 NoOp schrieb:
 Really? And early versions of Netscape were just simple browsers?
 I still have both Mosaic and Netscape on disk, including a version of
 the first Netscape w/support license. I suppose I could pull it out of
 the archives (shelf) and check it, but I seem to recall that it included
 an email client.

 Very early versions were browser-only for sure, but I can't exactly tell
 which version was the first to have a mail client. I heard it was some
 3.x version, but I wasn't around at that time.

 Robert Kaiser
 
 Let's get real, people.
 
 Had been niggling away at me for a while, so I've arced up the Desktop 
 computer with Win98 on it and there in the release notes for Netscape 
 Navigator 1.1 (Windows), in the README.TXT, under the section heading 
 Running Netscape, the second para states You must have a direct 
 Internet connection before you can use Netscape. The ability to send and 
 receive e-mail does not necessarily mean you can run Netscape. There are 
 three requirements for Netscape Navigator 1.1..
 
 O.K., it doesn't specifically say you can use Netscape 1.1 to send and 
 receive e-mail.
 
 In the program itself, you can select Directory-Go to Newsgroups or 
 you can select File-Mail Document opens up a page where you can enter 
 Mail To (which I guess is where you would but an e-mail address) or or 
 the same page, Post Newsgroup (which is pretty obvious), Subject and 
 Attachment
 
 Then a large portion of the screen where you can type information, and, 
 at the bottom, Send, Quote Document and Cancel
 
 
 If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
 
 Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 1.1N Copyright 1994-1995 Netscape 
 Communications Corporation, All rights reserved.
 
 I think I've got NN 0.9 on a floppy disk somewhere, and I think it has 
 mail as well (but don't quote me!!).
 
 Daniel

Nah, I was wrong. I just checked  I still have my original 1.0 book
(can't find the floppy just now) and for email it references using
Eudora Lite. Newsgroups was available, but the email client was Eudora.
I still have my original book, invoices,  upgrade invoices... maybe
they'll be work something on eBay someday :-)

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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Gerald Ross

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get 
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to 
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.


Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the 
passwords it currently is protecting.


I did this, leaving the first line blank (current password). It always 
pops up a message You did not enter the correct current master 
password. Please try again.  Is there something in the config: that 
needs to be reset?


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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread NoOp
On 02/01/2010 10:13 PM, Russell wrote:
 On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:38:55 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote:
 
 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email 
 wrote:
 
 Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
 Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
 New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
 and set the value to true.
 Thanks KristleBawl :-))
 
 Russell
 
 Yes, I thanked him because I thought it sounded like a solution ... but it
 didn't work and I got fed up trying. Even mucked things up worse when trying 
 to
 do some of the Registry hack solutions other folks had posted.

Well, sorry that it didn't work out for you. From the thread, it
appeared that it had. It certainly worked for me when I tested it
w/Outlook on Win2KPro. Be happy to test again if you'd like (I can test
in linux, Win2K, WinXP, and Win7(home premium).

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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:


If that's the case, I'd say save your profile and try updating to the most
recent version to see if that makes the problem go away.


  Found the ubuntuzilla.sourceforge.net site, grabbed the latest seamonkey
and upgraded. Spelling check on sending works.

  Now I need to fix the new problem that it won't send because it tells me
that the SMTP server won't accept smtp_auth. It does. I run the MTA here
(postfix) and haven't changed it since before the seamonkey upgrade.

  One step forward, a half-step back. Sigh.

Thanks,

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:03:50 -0600, George Carden wrote:

BeeNeR wrote:

On or about 1/31/2010 10:58 AM, George Carden typed the following:

The old ways I am aware of for printing a list of passwords from the
Password Manager don't seem to work in SeaMonkey V2.

This link describes what I'd been doing...

http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_pw.php

Ed, or anyone, what is the best way to print passwords now in version 2?

Thanks!

-George


Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848



Only works with Firefox...not SeaMonkey.


SeaMonkey version here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter

Phil

Installed great actually does create file in cvs or xml. But does not 
open either in DreamWeaver 8 for Mac (XML) nor excel 004 or 2008 (cvs) 
In fact it not recognized proper format.


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:

Ah!! That's why my explanations didn't always make sense. I assumed you were 
using 2.0.2.


  OK. Version 2.0.2 installed. I had to change the smtp server settings in
the mail app to use port 25 (from 465) and turn off the smtp-auth that
worked before, but at least the messages now go out.

  Since she's the only one using that machine I don't think there's a
security issue with allowing outgoing mail to not be authenticated.

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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Gerald Ross wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.

Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the
passwords it currently is protecting.


I did this, leaving the first line blank (current password). It always
pops up a message You did not enter the correct current master
password. Please try again.  Is there something in the config: that
needs to be reset?


If you never created a Master Password you have to put put in both areas

were you to have put one you would have to put original in the first 
blank.  then new one in second blank . but since you've never had one 
type in both.


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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread S. Beaulieu

Rich Shepard a écrit :


Now I need to fix the new problem that it won't send because it tells me
that the SMTP server won't accept smtp_auth. It does. I run the MTA here
(postfix) and haven't changed it since before the seamonkey upgrade.



Look in the release notes at 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.2/ : IIRC, there 
is something mentioned there about that.


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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Gerald Ross

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.

Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the
passwords it currently is protecting.


I did this, leaving the first line blank (current password). It always
pops up a message You did not enter the correct current master
password. Please try again.  Is there something in the config: that
needs to be reset?


If you never created a Master Password you have to put put in both areas

were you to have put one you would have to put original in the first 
blank.  then new one in second blank . but since you've never had one 
type in both.


Did this, typed same password in all three blanks-same results. I'm 
getting paranoid about this.


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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Gerald Ross

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.

Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the
passwords it currently is protecting.


I did this, leaving the first line blank (current password). It always
pops up a message You did not enter the correct current master
password. Please try again.  Is there something in the config: that
needs to be reset?


If you never created a Master Password you have to put put in both areas

were you to have put one you would have to put original in the first 
blank.  then new one in second blank . but since you've never had one 
type in both.


Got it!  After backing up everything I tried Reset Password.  Nothing 
was lost because the passwords were not encrypted. Then selected 
Change Master Password. This time the current password blank was 
greyed out so entered a new master password in the two blanks and now 
I had a master password but the passwords were not encrypted. Then I 
selected encrypt passwords and Bob's your uncle.


I only wanted this on my notebook that I take on trips.

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Re: Sea Monkey 2 and Error Message

2010-02-02 Thread Mike C

u...@domain.invalid wrote:
I finally upgraded to the new Sea Monkey from 1.? version about three 
days ago and now having a devil of a time.
1.  I have at least two crashes a day, if not more which throws me out 
of Sea Monkey

2.  When I try to read a .pdf file, I get the following message
The Adobe Acrobat/Reader that is running can not be used to view PDF 
files in a web browser.  Please exit Adobe Acrobat/Reader and exit your 
web browser and try again.
I use Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 and also have Adobe Acrobat 9 Professional. 
 I never had this problem before I upgraded, why now?
I also don't have either of the Adobe Acrobats running in the 
background, but normally use them to open these files on line or in 
e-mails.  Maybe I am not understanding the error message correctly?


Nancy A.


No need to reinstall.
Just do a repair on Adobe Reader   or   Adobe Acrobat.
You should NOT have both installed.

In Acrobat (if you have it) go to Edit Preferences Internet on left.
Then check Display PDF in Browser.
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Ray_Net

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');


var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.
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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, S. Beaulieu wrote:

Look in the release notes at 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.2/ : IIRC, there is 
something mentioned there about that.


  You do recall correctly. It does make sense since the mail is outgoing
from a trusted user. No mention of port numbers, however, but it's all
working correctly now.

  Everyone's responses is much appreciated.

Rich
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Re: Checking Spelling in E-mail Messages

2010-02-02 Thread Ray_Net

Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Ray_Net wrote:


My experience. I have installed french then i was not happy with my
choice, i uninstall it and install french classic - perfect. But there
is still place where we can specify french instead of french-classic.
Due to the fact that the french has been uninstalled, the
spell-checking
doesnot work.


I don't see where within seamonkey I can uninstall a dictionary.


In SM-browser go to Tools then Addon Manager
Click on the languages
There for each language you have two buttons: disable and uninstall

There is in seamonkey an uninstall a dictionary.
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Jens Hatlak
Ray_Net wrote:
 I just read and understand:
 So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you can
 click on it and it did not opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client
 
 How can we do in such a way that SM opens the default mail client when
 we click on a mailto link in the SM Browser ?

Try following these steps:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3394638#p3394638

AFAIK the other mail client must be the Windows default mail client at
the same time, or at least it must not be SeaMonkey.

If it doesn't work please don't ask me, I haven't tried it and won't do.

HTH

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Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Gerald Ross wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences   Privacy and Security   Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.

Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the
passwords it currently is protecting.


I did this, leaving the first line blank (current password). It always
pops up a message You did not enter the correct current master
password. Please try again.  Is there something in the config: that
needs to be reset?


If you never created a Master Password you have to put put in both areas

were you to have put one you would have to put original in the first
blank.  then new one in second blank . but since you've never had one
type in both.


Got it!  After backing up everything I tried Reset Password.  Nothing
was lost because the passwords were not encrypted. Then selected
Change Master Password. This time the current password blank was
greyed out so entered a new master password in the two blanks and now
I had a master password but the passwords were not encrypted. Then I
selected encrypt passwords and Bob's your uncle.

I only wanted this on my notebook that I take on trips.


Glad I was able to help.

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr  thHost/th  thUser name/th  thPassword/th  /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');


var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

 what I got. when I tried.

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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Jens Hatlak
Philip Chee wrote:
 I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
 public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
 to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
 Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
 tested that it actually fills in forms at all.

I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs
fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings
are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one
in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as
advertised as well. Good job! :-)

Now where are all those people screaming around time and again,
demanding bring back form manager? It'll be interesting to see what
they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts!

Greetings,

Jens

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Seamonkey Mail Filters

2010-02-02 Thread Donald D Henson
Is anyone else having problems with mail filters. I have some that work
ok but others do strange and wonderful things. For example, I have a
filter for Seamonkey messages. Occasionally, the filter will, all by
itself, disable itself. Now it's copying messages rather than moving
them. I haven't done any extensive troubleshooting but I will if others
are having similar problems. If anyone has already figured it out,
please let me know. Thanks.
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');



var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd
align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

what I got. when I tried.



Strange.  I dunno, gentlemen. Someone with more knowledge than I will 
have to figure out why it works for me, but not for you.  I'm sorry.


-George
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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
tested that it actually fills in forms at all.


I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs
fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings
are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one
in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as
advertised as well. Good job! :-)

Now where are all those people screaming around time and again,
demanding bring back form manager? It'll be interesting to see what
they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts!

Greetings,

Jens

There are a few items left out. Phone2, Fax, Cell Phone But if works as 
it appears will go great lengths to replacing Forms Manager.


The original forms Manager would pickup what you typed, or you could 
open the manager and type it in the difference being it would save 
multiple pages with differing  sets of information and it would choose 
the format most likely to fill out the for presented. If it didn't fill 
out a give item you filled it in and it would save it for use the next 
time you run across the same information in other it adapted sort of 
like the spam filter. It would sort of work like Bayesian filters used 
in the spam detectors. It would even save credit card information.


Between the Form History Manager and this it getting there.

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr  thHost/th  thUser name/th  thPassword/th  /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');



var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd
align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

what I got. when I tried.



Strange.  I dunno, gentlemen. Someone with more knowledge than I will
have to figure out why it works for me, but not for you.  I'm sorry.

-George
 maybe it worked on SM 1.1.18, but SM 1x , and 2x save information in 
different files and different areas.


For example Themes in SM1.1.18 ere saved in the main Chrome Folder. 
And FF 2 did as well. but in SM2 and FF3  there is nothing in Main 
chrome other than User.css files I've yet to figure out where theme .jar 
files are stored in SM 2 or FF 3.

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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Graham

Philip Chee wrote:

Hi!

I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
tested that it actually fills in forms at all.

http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/autofill_forms-0.9.5.2-mod.xpi


It's going to take a while to figure out if this works properly or not 
because it isn't always clear where problems lie. Is it the password 
management screwing up, or the forms management, when a field isn't 
populated? Is it actually because SM2's import from SM1 screwed up? Etc..


It is installed though, so we'll see.

Graham.
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Phillip Jones wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');




var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd
align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML
document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

what I got. when I tried.



Strange. I dunno, gentlemen. Someone with more knowledge than I will
have to figure out why it works for me, but not for you. I'm sorry.

-George

maybe it worked on SM 1.1.18, but SM 1x , and 2x save information in
different files and different areas.

For example Themes in SM1.1.18 ere saved in the main Chrome Folder. And
FF 2 did as well. but in SM2 and FF3 there is nothing in Main chrome
other than User.css files I've yet to figure out where theme .jar files
are stored in SM 2 or FF 3.


For the record, the new code works for me with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread BeeNeR
On or about 2/2/2010 5:46 PM, Phillip Jones typed the following:
 Ray_Net wrote:
 George Carden wrote:

 S N I P 

 Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
 http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

 Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
 For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
 ***
 * Host * User name * Password *
 ***
 is showed.
  what I got. when I tried.
 

The HTML works here as well as the add-on PassPort Exporter 1.2
Running Win XP Pro SP-3 up-to-date with SeaMonkey 2.0.2 *without* a
Master Password.

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Rufus

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other
than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox),
but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail. I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.



Yeah, and standalone newsreaders of Mac OS X are not a real strong group.

Lee


I do keep Thunderbird 3.x around just to evaluate it and I'm quite 
pleased with it - more so than I might have expected.


Couldn't stand Fire Fox, though...

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Rufus

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/
What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other 
than

a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), 
but I

might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail.  I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.



...or Mail.app...that I've been able to discern...

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Re: Changed to Improving of using single Widows was Re: Goodbye SeaMonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Rufus

Phillip Jones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

/snip/


Phillip, did you miss Lee's para...I then cleared the cache, and
repeated with opening new windows.

Sure seems like he tried multiple Windows to me, not just comparing a
iMac Intel, OS X 10.6.2 with a PowerMac PPC G4

Daniel


Yes I have to keep my cache files clean. In fact I clean them at least 
once a day. If I don't SM 2.0.2 crashes. As it stands now it has been 
crashing about once ever two or three days. I've started out with 1, 
then 10, then back to 1000, finally 5000 nothing seems to help. 
Funny thing it affects email more than web browsing but sometimes it 
affects web browsing.




I run all of my SM installs with the cashe size set to zero, and they 
all run just fine that way.  I've been doing that for a few years now.


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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Phillip Jones wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it
came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');





var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);


// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd
align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML
document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager.
Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML
file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

what I got. when I tried.



Strange. I dunno, gentlemen. Someone with more knowledge than I will
have to figure out why it works for me, but not for you. I'm sorry.

-George

maybe it worked on SM 1.1.18, but SM 1x , and 2x save information in
different files and different areas.

For example Themes in SM1.1.18 ere saved in the main Chrome Folder. And
FF 2 did as well. but in SM2 and FF3 there is nothing in Main chrome
other than User.css files I've yet to figure out where theme .jar files
are stored in SM 2 or FF 3.


For the record, the new code works for me with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.

-George

are You absolutely sure that you have your code exactly the same on the
the file you using and the version you have posted.

Here is what I have:

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write( tr\n\n);
document.write( td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html



OK...Here's what I have...Let's compare... I see some differences.  Try 
this one below and see if it works for you...again, in SeaMonkey V2:




html
  head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; 
font-size: 9pt;

padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
  /head
  body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1 
cellspacing=0

  tr thHost/th thUser name/th thPassword/th /tr

  script type=text/javascript
  !--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager = 
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager = 
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);


// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

  document.write( tr\n\n);
  document.write( td align=left\n\n);
  document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd 

Re: Master PW in 1.1.8

2010-02-02 Thread Rufus

Phillip Jones wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

I have never had a master password. Decided to try it but cannot find
how to set one for the first time. Change Master Password does not
allow a new password unless one previously exists.

TIA


Sorry, that is 1.1.18


Go to Preferences  Privacy and Security  Open Change master password.

Type in a Password of your choice. Write it down until committed to memory.
Enter it twice. It measures how good a Password it is.   after set get 
out. make sure to set for First time its needed. This will force you to 
type it in before SM will actually open. Which is what you want.


Caution if you *reset* the password then you can no longer access the 
passwords it currently is protecting.




Hasn't exactly worked that way for me - it asks the first time I 
navigate to a page that asks for a password that I have stored vice on 
startup.


...at least, it used to do that reliably - now it seems to ask at 
random when it's not actually needed.  If one resets the Master, it 
actually wipes out the previously saved list, I thought.


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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Rufus

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a
browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in 
SM,

they can use their preferred ones.

The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail
client, and this meant that mailto: links will open up in
SeaMonkey's e-mail client instead of their separate e-mail client.

It takes non-trivial fiddling with 'hidden' preferences to correct
this.

It's actually pretty easy on a Mac, and I'd think it's be just as
easy on a PC...on a Mac, I can set my default Mail handler to
Mail.app, and then set SM to open the browser only on
startup...which is what I do.

So SM Mail/News doesn't open unless I specifically open it; and I
use the SM Mail/News client within the suite to serve newsgroups.

The other thing I do is to set SM to leave messages on server -
which I also do with all other machines in my arsenal except my
Intel iMac, which is my primary machine.  That way, I can roam with
my laptop, or use any mail client I wish and still have access to
messages when I get home and store them in a central location 
before

deleting them.

More of a strategy to employ rather than any need to change SM, 
IMO.

Any platform ought to be able to use this strategy I'd think.



So if you have a mailto link viewed in the Seamonkey browser, you 
can

click on it and it opens your non-Seamonkey e-mail client? If not,
then
re-read what Benoit wrote.


No - each operates within it's own app, but I should think that would
be what the user would desire, right?  I get what Benoit is saying,
but I was thinking there's also a bit more to what he's saying...


Here's how it works. Let's take SeaMonkey 1.1.18, as its installer was
fully-featured.

If you install SeaMonkey with the Browser only option, which means
that you have no mailnews component, all mailto: links will open the
system's default e-mail client.

If you install SeaMonkey with the browser (required) and at least
mailnews, mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's email client, even if
SeaMonkey isn't set as the system's default e-mail client.

The problem for people using SeaMonkey 2.0.x that want to use with
another e-mail client is that you can't install SeaMonkey as a
stand-alone browser anymore. mailnews will always be installed, hence
mailto: links will open in SeaMonkey's e-mail client. This can be 
mostly

corrected, but from what I hear it's not easy to do.


Yeah...was reading that. What I've been suggesting are workarounds for
using more that one machine/e-mail client to at least make things
available to both clients and all machines without having to dig into
code and/or recompile anything.  I can still understand those whom 
might

want a browser only install...

...only additional thing I'd suggest is setting up SM to add an
automatic cc: to self to insure any e-mail sent from SM will also go
though the user's primary server for all sends.  Something I don't
presently do, but may try for a bit and see what I think.



What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox), but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all.  And maybe
saves some disk space.

I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only. 
does not support NNTP.




Understood - that's why I said if I didn't.  Just stating that I can 
understand people that might want the browser features of SM and 
something else for Mail, and giving an example.


As for myself, I prefer the suite approach...but that's just me.

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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:51:09 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 Philip Chee wrote:
 I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
 public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
 to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
 Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
 tested that it actually fills in forms at all.
 
 I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs
 fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings
 are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one
 in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as
 advertised as well. Good job! :-)
 
 Now where are all those people screaming around time and again,
 demanding bring back form manager? It'll be interesting to see what
 they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts!

Yeah yeah. I was getting sick and tired of all those people saying that
they were moving to MSIE because SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't have a Forms
autofill/autocomplete manager. So I went and grabbed Autofill Forms and
ported it to SeaMonkey 2.0. I also fixed some UI problems it had with
Firefox 3.5/3.6 (It hasn't been updated since 2008; a testimony to the
quality of the code is that it still works fine in Firefox 3.6).

Phil

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:18:50 -0600, George Carden wrote:

 It is not working here ...
 Windows XP pro - SP3
 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
 rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2
 
 
 You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your 
 hard drive.  Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML 
 document with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager. 
 Then, print it if you'd like...or whatever.  Did you save it as an HTML 
 file first?

The original post was autowrapped on some long lines (or perhaps it was
SeaMonkey message reader that was doing it). After saving the text to a
.html file I went trough it and rejoined those lines that were split in
the wrong places. *Then* it worked.

Phil

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:47:18 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:

 document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
  + login.username + \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
 login.password + \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

For this bit you either need to join them up into one line or:

document.write(  + login.hostname +
 \n\n /td\n\ntd align=left\n\  +
login.username +
 \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
 login.password +
 \n\n /td\n\n /tr\n);

Phil

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:44:15 -0800, Rufus wrote:

 I do keep Thunderbird 3.x around just to evaluate it and I'm quite 
 pleased with it - more so than I might have expected.

There appear to be a very vocal minority of veteran
SeaMonkey1.1^WThunderbird2.0 users who hate, absolutely hate the new
SeaMonkey2.0^WThunderbird3.0 and are sticking resolutely to the old
version (or threatening to move to Outlook Express (?!?).

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Hartmut Figge
Philip Chee:

There appear to be a very vocal minority of veteran
SeaMonkey1.1^WThunderbird2.0 users who hate, absolutely hate the new
SeaMonkey2.0^WThunderbird3.0 and are sticking resolutely to the old
version (or threatening to move to Outlook Express (?!?).

Regarding old versions, is your UA real? Are you really using an ancient
SM 1.5a?

Hartmut, just curious
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

/snip/

What would be the advantage of a SM Browser only and FireFox, other
than
a much better preference setup and FF.



Not to use two browsers, but for more user choice of one default mail
client other than SM Mail/News.

I might do something like SM browser only and Apple Mail.app - as you
say, SM has a better set of Pref options over Safari (or Firefox),
but I
might prefer Mail.app as my e-mail client because I don't really use
usenet or newsgroups...if I didn't.

Just more flexibility and choice for the user, that's all. And maybe
saves some disk space.


I f you intend to read newsgroups for get it Mail is that Mail only.
does not support NNTP.



Just for accuracy's sake, Mail does include an RSS reader, so it isn't
just mail.  I agree though, I prefer the convenience of mail and
newsgroups in one application.

Lee

Agreed! but I was referring to news reader. none in Safari.



...or Mail.app...that I've been able to discern...


Sorry I meant Mail. ;-)

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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:44:15 -0800, Rufus wrote:


I do keep Thunderbird 3.x around just to evaluate it and I'm quite
pleased with it - more so than I might have expected.


There appear to be a very vocal minority of veteran
SeaMonkey1.1^WThunderbird2.0 users who hate, absolutely hate the new
SeaMonkey2.0^WThunderbird3.0 and are sticking resolutely to the old
version (or threatening to move to Outlook Express (?!?).

Phil


Is OE even still available. I've heard that MS has quit OE

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Herrmann Hofer wrote:

George Carden wrote:

But, it doesn't work with V 2.0. Can't even remember where it
came
from, but here's the
script for it (Can somebody fix it to work with 2.0?)...



Well, this works for me (formatting may be broken):

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr  thHost/th  thUser name/th  thPassword/th  /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');





var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);


// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd
align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html


It is not working here ...
Windows XP pro - SP3
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0.2



You should cut  paste that code and save it as an HTML file on your
hard drive. Then when you open it, you'll have a nice neat HTML
document
with URL's, User names and Passwords from the password manager.
Then,
print it if you'd like...or whatever. Did you save it as an HTML
file
first?


Yes, and to prove it, i just posted here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/showpassword.htm

Perhaps this link permit you to show your passwords ...
For me, it's the same result; only a table containing
***
* Host * User name * Password *
***
is showed.

what I got. when I tried.



Strange. I dunno, gentlemen. Someone with more knowledge than I will
have to figure out why it works for me, but not for you. I'm sorry.

-George

maybe it worked on SM 1.1.18, but SM 1x , and 2x save information in
different files and different areas.

For example Themes in SM1.1.18 ere saved in the main Chrome Folder. And
FF 2 did as well. but in SM2 and FF3 there is nothing in Main chrome
other than User.css files I've yet to figure out where theme .jar files
are stored in SM 2 or FF 3.


For the record, the new code works for me with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.

-George

are You absolutely sure that you have your code exactly the same on the
the file you using and the version you have posted.

Here is what I have:

!-- SNIP --
html
head
titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
style type=text/css
td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;
padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
/style
/head
body
table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr  thHost/th  thUser name/th  thPassword/th  /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

// loads signons into table
var count = { value: 0 };
var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);
document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

}
--
/script
/table
/body
/html



OK...Here's what I have...Let's compare... I see some differences.  Try
this one below and see if it works for you...again, in SeaMonkey V2:



html
head
  titleExport Seamonkey Passwords/title
  style type=text/css
  td {font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;
  padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px;}
  /style
/head
body
  table style=empty-cells: show; align=center border=1
cellspacing=0
tr  thHost/th  thUser name/th  thPassword/th  /tr

script type=text/javascript
!--

netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');

  var loginmanager =
Components.classes[@mozilla.org/login-manager;1].getService();
  loginmanager =
loginmanager.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsILoginManager);

  // loads signons into table
  var count = { value: 0 };
  var logins = loginmanager.getAllLogins(count);

  for each (var login in logins) {

document.write(tr\n\n);
document.write(td align=left\n\n);

Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread Phillip Jones

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:47:18 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:


document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);


For this bit you either need to join them up into one line or:

document.write(  + login.hostname +
  \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\   +
login.username +
  \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
  login.password +
  \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

Phil


Got it to work. Now how do I save the list as a List I can get to, if needed

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Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!

2010-02-02 Thread Lou

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this
public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it
to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors.
Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't
tested that it actually fills in forms at all.


I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs
fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings
are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one
in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as
advertised as well. Good job! :-)

Now where are all those people screaming around time and again,
demanding bring back form manager? It'll be interesting to see what
they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts!

Greetings,

Jens



Thanks Philip.  I knew that Form Filling was coming to SM2. I'm glad I 
hung around.


Lou
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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-02 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 2/2/2010 12:30, Phillip Jones told the world:

 I really hope HJ gets inspired enough to do the migration.  He is
 the _true father of tabbed browsing_ .  So we all owe him a debt of
 gratitude.

 So, 1.1.18 it is then. :-/
 ahh so that's the rascal that's responsible.

Well, not quite. The concept of a tabbed interface apparently came from
IBM, as part of their CUA project. The first browser with something
similar to modern tabs was a development version of Opera. But they
kinda sat on it for a while, the feature was not very well known -- it
only came to their mainstream browser after others had reinvented it
independently.

Then, there was Netcaptor, which was a front-end for the IE engine,
that brought it to the general public. A couple others (including Opera)
followed suit.

HJ, the author of Multizilla, was the one who brought it to the Mozilla
project -- in the form of an extension. Dave Hyatt saw it, liked it, and
wrote his own implementation (not taken from Multizilla) for the trunk
Mozilla browser.

So, if you want someone to blame (I personally would thank), there's
quite a bunch of people. The guys at IBM and Opera for creating it, the
guys at Netcaptor for spreading it around, HJ for showing it could work
in a Mozilla product or Dave Hyatt for making it a core feature.

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Is there any tab management extension for Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Trel Smith
I'm used to Multizilla in Seamonkey, and Tab mix plus in Firefox, but I can't 
find anythign like either of them for Seamonkey 2.0
Is there any suitable extension to give me control over tabs that works in 
Seamonkey 2.0 or am I going to be stuck using firefox?
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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-02 Thread George Carden

Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:47:18 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:


document.write(  + login.hostname + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n
 + login.username + \n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password + \n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);


For this bit you either need to join them up into one line or:

document.write(  + login.hostname +
\n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\  +
login.username +
\n\n/td\n\ntd align=left\n\n  +
login.password +
\n\n/td\n\n/tr\n);

Phil


Got it to work. Now how do I save the list as a List I can get to, if
needed



Phil,

I usually do a PDF version of these from time to time. That way I have a 
snapshot of my passwords at any given time, in case some are lost in 
the future.  I can look back to see what they were.  (Or you could just 
print them out.)  Otherwise, I have my View Passwords HTML document 
bookmarked in SeaMonkey so that whenever I want, I bring it up for my 
current passwords.


-George
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 3/2/2010 00:51, Phillip Jones told the world:

 Is OE even still available. I've heard that MS has quit OE
 

Kinda-sorta. They gave it a makeover for Vista and renamed it Windows
Mail (now that's original...) -- and finally replaced that evil storage
system they had. Not sure if the new one is much of an improvement,
though. Then they added a few more stuff (mainly putting back Hotmail
support, which had been taken out a few years before) and offered it as
a free download, rebadging it as Windows Live Mail. And then they
pulled off the regular Windows Mail from Windows 7.

So Win7 doesn't come with a mail client, but OE's grandchild is
available for download.

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Re: Is there any tab management extension for Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread David Wilkinson
Trel Smith wrote:
 I'm used to Multizilla in Seamonkey, and Tab mix plus in Firefox, but I can't 
 find anythign like either of them for Seamonkey 2.0
 Is there any suitable extension to give me control over tabs that works in 
 Seamonkey 2.0 or am I going to be stuck using firefox?

Did you try installing it in SeaMonkey, perhaps with a hack of the install.rdf?

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Re: Is there any tab management extension for Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread David E. Ross
On 2/2/2010 8:27 PM, Trel Smith wrote:
 I'm used to Multizilla in Seamonkey, and Tab mix plus in Firefox, but I can't 
 find anythign like either of them for Seamonkey 2.0
 Is there any suitable extension to give me control over tabs that works in 
 Seamonkey 2.0 or am I going to be stuck using firefox?

What capabilities do you need?  I believe there were some improvements
in tab processing in SeaMonkey 2.0.

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extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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