Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon
On 02/07/11 07:01, NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 09:37 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back (alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version): ... Which builds would those be? All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon. Must be only for the active users of ChatZilla. I don't use Chatzilla and the bottom Component-Bar's Cz icon shows fine in the same build as Tony's, in both Default Classic and Modern Theme:- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110701 Firefox/7.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.4a1 ID:20110701003111 Barry I use cZ so being an active user probably isn't an issue. So I'm still confused reckon only Tony can clarify. Recent builds of SeaMonkey, but I don't know how recent, maybe only 2.4a1, will install the built-in ChatZilla (and the built-in DOM Inspector and the built-in Javascript Debugger) in your profile, but: - only if there was a change in the SeaMonkey version, AND - only if there isn't already an equal or newer version of the same extension in the profile. This implies that if you're using nightlies, and some bug is fixed in ChatZilla between one nightly and the next, you won't get the fix until the next SeaMonkey version unless you forcibly reinstall the fixed version. OTOH if you have installed ChatZilla from AMO, that profile copy will be overridden by the copy built into the _next_ version of SeaMonkey if it's newer: you won't be stranded forever with an obsolete version in your profile. There is no usable ChatZilla anymore under the application installation directory: you get the following: installdir/extensions/ only the default and Modern themes installdir/distribution/extensions/ the built-in extensions. They cannot be used directly from here. profile/extensions/ your extensions and themes, including any built-in extensions This install into the profile is made while checking for extensions' compatibility, and it will install ChatZilla in packed mode, leaving the unpacked XPI in your profile, even though ChatZilla requests unpack-at-install. The packed ChatZilla works, maybe even faster since there aren't many files to be fetched at different places on your HD, but its icon on the OS taskbar (NOT the icon on the SeaMonkey statusbar) is the default SeaMonkey icon (same blue icon as for the browser), not the grey cZ icon specific of ChatZilla. If you install ChatZilla yourself from AMO, or from somewhere on your HD, it will install in unpacked mode (a directory and a number of files and directory inside), and the image passed to the OS for display on the taskbar is a separate image file, not something inside an XPI, so the OS can display it. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 123. You ask the car dealer to install an extra cigarette lighter on your new car to power your notebook. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon
On 02/07/11 07:46, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/1/2011 11:33 PM, NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back (alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version): ... Which builds would those be? All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon. Tony means the Window icon for chatzilla, on windows you'll see that on the top left corner of the window, or in win7 for example when you hover over the SeaMonkey icon in the taskbar and have cZ open you *should* see the cZ icon in the top left corner of the screenshot (or the list of windows if you have too many windows open for win7 to show the screenshots). That said, I hope to find the time to describe to Tony how to fix this in our build over the next weeks, which I expect to do (he gave up on the bug, due to some complexity that he forsaw). ...or rather, due to some complexity that I hadn't foreseen, which made me lose my path in the maze of the source (and SeaMonkey is built from repositories with a lot of source, since it pulls all the following Mercurial repositories: 1) the repository with the specific Suite, MailNews and Calendar sources 2) the repository with the Firefox, Toolkit, Gecko, etc. sources 3) the ChatZilla repository 4) the DOM Inspector repository 5) the LDAP SDK repository 6) the Venkman repository ). You could also build any of Thunderbird, Firefox, or the ChatZilla, Lightning, Provider for Google Calendar, Dom Inspector and Javascript Debugger extensions from that same pile of code. Also Sunbird if it were still supported. The first problem is to find where and how in the comm repository (#1 above) the ChatZilla taskbar image from the irc repository (#3 above) is moved into the temporary directory structure which will then be archived into the .tar.bz2, the .dmg, or the .zip and .installer.exe which are what users will then download. The second problem (but I think I can get inspiration from Venkman on how to solve that) is where to put that icon so the OS can use it. Best regards, Tony. -- There is no time like the present for postponing what you ought to be doing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
YouTube problems?
Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. Thanx. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube problems?
George Carden wrote: Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. Thanx. Play fine for me in SM 2.2. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
Two or three days, later. No responses. What, you mean to say that
this phenomenon is unheard of, that no-one here has any thoughts on what
might be causing it, and that no-one can offer me an explanation or help
in putting it to rights? Well, I guess I'm flummoxed!
Good cheer - Ken (in Oz)
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Ken wrote:
A word ('Why') inadvertently got left off the start of my question, so
here it is, corrected. Thanks for all help, guys.
Ken (almost) wrote:
I have SM 2.0. 14 and Windows 7.
Why, when my Inbox is open in its regular function (i.e., for receiving
standard emails, not one of my listed user groups such as this one), do
boxes sometimes appear in the middle of the screen saying, for example,
'Confirm. Advance to next unread message in alt.video.dvd?' (I don't
think I have used that particular group for months, btw.)
All help appreciated.
Thanks - Ken (in Oz)
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Re: YouTube problems?
George Carden wrote: Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. Thanx. Works for Me. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
cyberzen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm using SM 2.0.14 . For this account according to the account settings: - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 . - The outgoing server (SMTP) is urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y... (I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can not verify the name) - Connection security is SSL/TLS and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked [By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized. For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right. Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ] Recently my system has begun to issue the following error when I try to send out emails on this account: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password' for that server or contact your server provider NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully. So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance? maybe you could tailor mailnews.tcptimeout (there is in prefs) see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings I have set mine to 120 I get the same problem occasionly. Using about:config my mailnews.tcptimeout was set to 100 so I changed it to 150 to see if that helps. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube problems?
George Carden wrote: Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. WFM. Vids play first time, every time, without delay. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
Arnie Goetchius wrote: cyberzen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm using SM 2.0.14 . For this account according to the account settings: - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 . - The outgoing server (SMTP) is urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y... (I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can not verify the name) - Connection security is SSL/TLS and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked [By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized. For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right. Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ] Recently my system has begun to issue the following error when I try to send out emails on this account: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password' for that server or contact your server provider NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully. So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance? maybe you could tailor mailnews.tcptimeout (there is in prefs) see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings I have set mine to 120 I get the same problem occasionly. Using about:config my mailnews.tcptimeout was set to 100 so I changed it to 150 to see if that helps. fine.. have you seen the prefs / mail news / network storage / mail connections / connections timeout -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
cyberzen wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: cyberzen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm using SM 2.0.14 . For this account according to the account settings: - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 . - The outgoing server (SMTP) is urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y... (I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can not verify the name) - Connection security is SSL/TLS and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked [By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized. For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right. Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ] Recently my system has begun to issue the following error when I try to send out emails on this account: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password' for that server or contact your server provider NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully. So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance? maybe you could tailor mailnews.tcptimeout (there is in prefs) see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings I have set mine to 120 I get the same problem occasionly. Using about:config my mailnews.tcptimeout was set to 100 so I changed it to 150 to see if that helps. fine.. have you seen the prefs / mail news / network storage / mail connections / connections timeout Yes, I see that and it is easier to use than about:config. FWIW, it shows 150 but that does still not help. I still get the error message, from time to time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
cyberzen wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: cyberzen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm using SM 2.0.14 . For this account according to the account settings: - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 . - The outgoing server (SMTP) is urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y... (I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can not verify the name) - Connection security is SSL/TLS and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked [By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized. For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right. Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ] Recently my system has begun to issue the following error when I try to send out emails on this account: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password' for that server or contact your server provider NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully. So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance? maybe you could tailor mailnews.tcptimeout (there is in prefs) see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings I have set mine to 120 I get the same problem occasionly. Using about:config my mailnews.tcptimeout was set to 100 so I changed it to 150 to see if that helps. fine.. have you seen the prefs / mail news / network storage / mail connections / connections timeout Mine is also set to 100 seconds (default) But somehow, I don't see how that second can be relevant to this problem. Also to amplify my NOTE. The send is usually successful on the second try. But sometimes I have had to try up to 3-5 times. -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Email Command line is gone.
Or whatever they call it. The horizontal line that contains icons and such for manipulating messages in email. Delete, Forward, Reply, Reply to All, etc. The current window, starting from the top, shows: - the header line that contains SeaMonkey drop-down menu, the View window and the Search window, and at the far right, the Advanced window. - the next window down is the Tab line, where open mail message tabs appear. That's IT. There used to be another line I;d call the Command line. Now missing. How do I get it back? I see no spare arrows anywhere, indicating there are (now hidden) lines of command icons. I restarted SM. No luck. Any ideas? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Command line is gone.
Keith Whaley wrote: Or whatever they call it. The horizontal line that contains icons and such for manipulating messages in email. Delete, Forward, Reply, Reply to All, etc. The current window, starting from the top, shows: - the header line that contains SeaMonkey drop-down menu, the View window and the Search window, and at the far right, the Advanced window. - the next window down is the Tab line, where open mail message tabs appear. That's IT. There used to be another line I;d call the Command line. Now missing. How do I get it back? I see no spare arrows anywhere, indicating there are (now hidden) lines of command icons. I restarted SM. No luck. Any ideas? Try View-Show/Hide-Mail Toolbar. -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube problems?
On Jul 6, 6:56 am, George Carden cardboa...@comcast.net wrote: Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. Thanx. Works fine here with SM 2.2b3, WinXp Pro Sp2, Shockwave Flash 10.2 r159. Chech your Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
On 06/07/11 17:21, Ken wrote: Thanks, Tony. Not sure how much of that I've fully understood. But next time the box opens, maybe I'll just click on 'Yes' and that will take me to the group in question, from which I can then quietly check out, and the thing won't happen again? The thing will happen again if you hit the N key or click the Next button (the toolbar button which says Move forward to the next unread message if you hover your mouse over it) and either there are no unread messages in the folder or newsgroup currently being displayed, or the only unread message in it (especially if you've closed the preview pane at the bottom of the 3-pane window) is the one currently selected in the thread pane. In that case SeaMonkey will look if there is any message marked as unread anywhere in another mail folder, another newsgroup, an RSS feed for which you've chosen to get new posts in a News Blogs account accessible via your mail window, etc. — and if it finds such an unread message (other than in the Junk and Trash folders), it will pop the question again. Best regards, Tony. -- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #32: You call your answering service and they've never heard of you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Help With 'jobview.monster.com'
When I select 'Sign In' on a jobview.monster.com page (example: http://jobview.monster.com/Apply/Apply.aspx?JobID=.), I get the appropriate boxes for Email Address and Password, which are successfully retrieved from my Password Manager. However, I cannot get the clicking on the Sign In button to work; the click, or Enter, is not recognized. I have disabled all of the extensions, still no luck. Any suggestions on how to correct this? Thanks for any help. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube problems?
cyberzen wrote: erwincas a écrit : On Jul 6, 6:56 am, George Cardencardboa...@comcast.net wrote: Any idea why YouTube videos would not play in SeaMonkey suddenly? They don't do a thing. They play fine in IE. This kind of thing makes me wanna pull (the rest of) my hair out. Thanx. Works fine here with SM 2.2b3, WinXp Pro Sp2, Shockwave Flash 10.2 r159. Chech your Add-Ons. maybe it's pefbar... I use PrefBar and the videos play fine. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Interviewed by CNN on 06/07/2011 19:03, Rufus told the world: No. You just don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying bring Mozilla to iOS. I'm saying it's not impossible to duplicate the SM experience using WebKit. For a given, very particular, very limited definition of SM experience... A Webkit SM won't run extensions available for Gecko SM A Webkit SM won't render pages the same as Gecko SM Those two, taken together, mean that the user experience *will not* be the same. Ergo, the experience cannot be duplicated. q.e.d. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Multivac. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: cyberzen wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: cyberzen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm using SM 2.0.14 . For this account according to the account settings: - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 . - The outgoing server (SMTP) is urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y... (I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can not verify the name) - Connection security is SSL/TLS and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked [By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized. For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right. Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ] Recently my system has begun to issue the following error when I try to send out emails on this account: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password' for that server or contact your server provider NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully. So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance? maybe you could tailor mailnews.tcptimeout (there is in prefs) see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings I have set mine to 120 I get the same problem occasionly. Using about:config my mailnews.tcptimeout was set to 100 so I changed it to 150 to see if that helps. fine.. have you seen the prefs / mail news / network storage / mail connections / connections timeout Mine is also set to 100 seconds (default) But somehow, I don't see how that second can be relevant to this problem. Also to amplify my NOTE. The send is usually successful on the second try. But sometimes I have had to try up to 3-5 times. Same here. I never had a problem on my laptop where SMTP was been set to imailhost.worldnet.att.net because I never changed it when Worldnet shutdown. I have now changed my desktop to Worldnet to see if that fixes the problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Messages
Frog wrote: Question 2: Is it possible that the large numbers of messages resident in SeaMonkey could be responsible for my slow system shut down? Unlikely. I have many folders in several different accounts with over 1000 messages each, including one sent folder with over 3000, and system shutdown is not slow. Of course, I close SM before shutting down the system, so I don't see now SM could affect the shutdown process. Or were you talking about SM shutdown? My SM 2.0.14 shuts down quickly enough to suit me (under 30 seconds) under these conditions. FWIW, I like to keep my Inbox small, but that seems to be beside the point. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Page Has Stopped Painting?
Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 This site was working fine as of yesterday but today it displays: NET Bible Study Environment Loading... Then says Done in the bottom left corner but the Bible study resource that should be displayed is not. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Isaiah+30 Is anyone else with Seamonkey 2.0.14 seeing the same failure? Is it working with the newer version(s) of Seamonkey? Have they implemented something obvious that would cause it to suddenly fail with Seamonkey 2.0.14? Thanks! -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with Flash Document?
Daniel wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 Anyone able to see why the Flash document here just cycles and never loads, please? http://ehbcstatesboro.blogspot.com/p/netma.html Gave it a couple of minutes.still saving files! SM 2.0.14 on Win7 with Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42 Works for me. SeaMonkey 2.1 Mac X 10.6.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with Flash Document?
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Daniel wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 Anyone able to see why the Flash document here just cycles and never loads, please? http://ehbcstatesboro.blogspot.com/p/netma.html Gave it a couple of minutes.still saving files! SM 2.0.14 on Win7 with Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42 Works for me. SeaMonkey 2.1 Mac X 10.6.8 Just tried it with Linux Midori and it works OK there. I wonder why it suddenly fails in Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 when it was fine yesterday? -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Page Has Stopped Painting?
Also fails under IE d...@kd4e.com wrote: It also fails in Midori under Linux. Perhaps it is the site? d...@kd4e.com wrote: Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 This site was working fine as of yesterday but today it displays: NET Bible Study Environment Loading... Then says Done in the bottom left corner but the Bible study resource that should be displayed is not. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Isaiah+30 Is anyone else with Seamonkey 2.0.14 seeing the same failure? Is it working with the newer version(s) of Seamonkey? Have they implemented something obvious that would cause it to suddenly fail with Seamonkey 2.0.14? Thanks! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Page Has Stopped Painting?
OK, sounds like a site-coding failure. I will let them know. Thanks! Richard Lee Holbert wrote: Also fails under IE d...@kd4e.com wrote: It also fails in Midori under Linux. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Isaiah+30 -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to write. The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform. You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine (the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor extension ecosystem... Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome. ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I think folks would pay that. But if you're not even up to taking a chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's. The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple won't allow Gecko in the App Store. Again - unwillingness to do the work to bring a product to market. It's not impossible, it's not prohibited...the SM folks just don't want to do an iOS implementation of SM functionality. Fine, but a pity. Atomic gets me half of what I want anyway...I'm pretty sure NewsTap will get me the rest. I don't think you understand, it most definitely *is* prohibited, and don't want shows completely no grasp of finite resources or the cost of setting up a distribution channel which would work outside the Apple app store, since SM would not be allowed, however done. Apple claims that a choice of products confuses users, or some such. Google for Jobs+competition+confusion or something, I think the speech is on youtube. I doubt explaining this more clearly will help, your world view seems pretty set. No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one that I like better than Atomic...and I like Atomic better than Safari. To say that Apple won't allow competing software on the App store only tells me that you haven't done much surfing on the App store. Go look. I look, Apple still prohibits competive browsers. You must use the WebKit browser or be removed. Note: when work started I suggested switching from Gecko to WebKit to avoid some of the issues (yes, I'm aware that raises others). Robert though I was trolling, but that was my honest opinion. Gecko does too much and therefore changes too much. The other side of that is Gecko does too much so you don't have to. I'm happy to let Robert make the call, I just don't think having the rendering engine do the whole UI is a great idea unless you control it. Clearly Mozilla at best treats Seamonkey as a 2nd class citizen in some ways. robert felt a true split was not feasible, that's his call. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 3 Release -- Introduces New Features
NoOp wrote: On 07/03/2011 12:57 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 2 is available for free download [1] now in 14 languages and makes a list of new functionality available to a wider testing audience for the first time. Please note that this pre-release version is still intended for testers only and might still show some problems in everyday use. As always, we appreciate any feedback you may have and encourage users to help us by filing bugs. I think you mean: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.2b3 ... Robert claimed that lack of build resources was why Linux_x86-64 doesn't have a release. Could someone clarify how you can have enough resources to build four x86_64 Linux versions every night and not just once per release? No, I don't lack for places to get an onofficial versions, for the same of reporting bugs I use a nightly of the next version which comes from the official site, as opposed to getting a build or building from source. It only takes once being told we do not support versions build by third parties for unsupported architectures (a polite way to say go shit in your hat) to get me to grab one from an official source. Besides, they seem to work very well, I'm not unappreciative, just want to be able to report a bugs I do find. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Capture password file as text?
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:54:30 -0400, J. Weaver Jr. wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 6/25/11 12:20 PM, Gerald Ross wrote: Ray Davison wrote: SM 3.1 Does anyone know how to get the contents of the password file into a text file? I assume signons3.txt is the contents of the password file from SM 1X, and that signons.sqlite is the 2.1 password file. True? I have the contents of the three Win Zips from the site below in a sub-directory with a copy of signons.sqlite. http://www.sqlite.org/download.html And have scanned this page; http://www.sqlite.org/quickstart.html So far all I have managed to do is read signons.sqlite as a binary. Ray I use Gadwin PrintScreen and click the PrtScr button while the passwords are showing. Then save it to a file. With SM 2.1, this must be quite tedious. SM 2.1 will display passwords for only one domain at a time. Not only that, but you'd have to click on Show Passwords for each domain individually as well. :O -JW http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter Aren't you supposed to tell people to install the messed-up_add-on_reporter extension? The one which says it's not compatible with your version of Semonkey? Anyway, a more recent version installs and does report add-on failure (and occasionally fix them). -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
More questions about SM 2.1
Having gotten over most of my growing pains with the switch from 2.0.14 to 2.1 on my Linux box, I do have a couple of questions: 1. If I have several web browser tabs open, when I click on the Open a new tab button next to the left-most tab, the new tab is always opened at the extreme right of the existing tabs, regardless of which tab I am viewing. On the other hand, if I middle-click a link in one of the tabs, the new tab is opened to the right of the tab with the link and always right next to it. Middle-clicking a second link on the same tab opens a new tab to the right of the tab with the link, but to the left of the tab opened by the first middle-clicked link. Why this difference in behavior, and how can I make it work like it used to (always opening a new tab to the extreme right of the existing tabs)? 2. When I close down SM, it brings up the Acrobat Reader Splash Window, like it's briefly starting Acrobat Reader. Why is that? Craig ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 06/07/2011 19:03, Rufus told the world: No. You just don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying bring Mozilla to iOS. I'm saying it's not impossible to duplicate the SM experience using WebKit. For a given, very particular, very limited definition of SM experience... A Webkit SM won't run extensions available for Gecko SM A Webkit SM won't render pages the same as Gecko SM Yes, and I've begun to notice web page designers having two (or more?) versions of their pages - Google is an example. If you surf Google with iOS Safari you will get a page optimized for the iPad and a link to display the desktop version Google page - which iOS Safari will display, but poorly. (if web designers can do this, I can't explain why they all still can't browser sniff correctly...) I expect I'll notice more of this as I use my iPad more - I've only had it about a month or so, and have yet to travel with it or actually depend on it for any length of time as a faux netbook. Those two, taken together, mean that the user experience *will not* be the same. Ergo, the experience cannot be duplicated. q.e.d. Not really. Think in terms of features first and foremost - accuracy of translation. Features - within limitations, as I've said/accepted...maybe I should be saying replicate vice duplicate? The point would be to offer some/most of the functional things SM can do that Safari doesn't - let's start with tabs, for example. Tabs are *the* reason I use Atomic over Safari on my iPad. And other simple things - like being able to designate and store a Home page and have a Home button - iOS Safari doesn't do that, but Atomic does. A second (and my most) desirable SM port would be an integrated usenet reader/mail app - presently there is only one that I can find: NewsTap. While it's a great app and I'm very happy with it, it's still not like using an integrated suite - which is another of *the* big features I like/prefer about the Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SM collection historically. Thirdly and most important would be the SM graphical interface - looks. I find Atomic to be very SM-like (it even supports limited theme color choice - and has tabs), which is which is why I like it. Does it function exactly like SM? No...but I can understand and live with that. My experience of Atomic is similar to my experience of desktop SM. Sure - present add ons, etc. wouldn't be supported - functions of more popular ones like spoofing could be built in as it is win both iOS Safari and Atomic. Support add-ons in the future? Wide open... But I could/would still have something I'd be familiar with - and it's that familiarity that's the crux of what I'm trying to get at. iOS Safari doesn't behave much like OS X Safari, and iOS Safari isn't nearly as fully featured but both still feel like Safari. It doesn't have to be exact, and I didn't mean to imply that, if that's what came across. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one that I like better than Atomic...and I like Atomic better than Safari. To say that Apple won't allow competing software on the App store only tells me that you haven't done much surfing on the App store. Go look. I look, Apple still prohibits competive browsers. You must use the WebKit browser or be removed. We're back to the definition of browser vs what tech or code underlying that browser is. When you say browser I think product...I want and care about the *product*, not the tech or code. Macro vs micro. As a *user* I don't care a whit about the underlying code...there are pages of fully functioning browsers on the App Store, and they all compete - they all do something or another different from each other, and/or have different user interfaces. I don't care one iota that they are all WebKit based as long as I can find one (or more) that *does* what I *want* it to do, and allows me to do it easily. Put nuts and bolts aside - just think about accomplishing the *task*. That's the POV I'm taking. Note: when work started I suggested switching from Gecko to WebKit to avoid some of the issues (yes, I'm aware that raises others). Robert though I was trolling, but that was my honest opinion. Gecko does too much and therefore changes too much. The other side of that is Gecko does too much so you don't have to. I'm on board with that too - everyone gets an opinion. I'm just trying to separate out for myself which is what, and why. I'm happy to let Robert make the call, I just don't think having the rendering engine do the whole UI is a great idea unless you control it. Clearly Mozilla at best treats Seamonkey as a 2nd class citizen in some ways. robert felt a true split was not feasible, that's his call. And that's ok by me too - as I've said, SM for iOS is new business proposal, and the folks whom actually run the biz get to make the decisions. Their decision is no. And now that I've heard some of the *actual* reasons for those decisions I can see their true side of things. But at least some people actually did some thinking, and that's never a bad thing. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
