Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:

On 01/24/2013 11:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ant wrote:



I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.



WFM.

See my thread: "2.15 & Lightning"
01/10/2013


Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS)
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.

Then I went to add-in manager and clicked "install from file," and Lightning
would not install.


What version was the xpi and the md5sum? Where did you get it from?


Then I went to the website, through the development channel,
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.


My original post from the thread I referenced (Message-ID:
) was:


For those that have upgraded to SeaMonkey 2.15 & use the Lightning
Calendar extension, please note that you'll need to update to Lightning
version 2.0b1. You can download the xpi from here:

scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Development
Channel", click the yellow '+ Add to SeaMonkey' button.

As for why you need to use a beta version with SeaMonkey 2.15, this
might be of interest:



The file on the addons site is from here:

[lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40   1.8M]
$ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07  lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi

If you open the install.rdf file in that xpi package it shows:
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.152.15.*{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
Linux_x86-gcc3Linux_x86_64-gcc3

If you open the one from here & look at the install.rdf:

$ md5sum lightning.xpi
71a9de08a351ac6aecd7f4b66dfa4111  lightning.xpi
it shows:

{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.15a22.15a2{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
/preferences.xulLinux_x86_64-gcc3

So there are obvious differences. Unfortunately there seem to be
different versions all over the map & the file labels are all generic
'lightning.xpi' on the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly
directories. So I'd stick with the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/ - at leased they are
labeled.

I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user & dev groups.

Figured it was on their side, just would like to have a working xpi, to use on 
machines without external network.


Thanks for looking.


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Re: SM 2.15 -- virus detected

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


If I got cleared in 12 hours and it took you a week, maybe you should
switch to my method. Have someone with a Norton product install it, then
report the snag as an end user.



Fwiw, *I* have the product as well, because it came with my laptop
purchase, I hate it but chose not to fight the
uninstall-get-a-better-product dance yet.

I tested this method in the past, before I found their whitelist page,
the problem is that doing this method, only clears it for *me* not *you*
it takes a "significant" number of reports for them to clear it for
others, how many they never say.

...


I-yi-yi...

Oh, well, it seemed like a good idea at the time...

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War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[NoOp]

On 01/24/2013 12:38 AM, Rob wrote:
> NoOp  wrote:
>> On 01/23/2013 01:23 PM, Connie wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
>>> 
 I'd rethink taking that "advise" were I you:
 
>>> 
>>> Not take which advice?  Uninstalling the version already installed? 
>>> Installing over the top or not doing so?  Or not installing 2.14.1?
>>
>> Installing 2.14.1 instead of the current 2.15.1.
>>
>> Notice that 2.15 fixes 12 /Critical/ security issues, and 6 /High/
>> security issues.
> 
> Wait.  Each and every new release combines security fixes with
> functional changes and new bugs.   It is like that, no matter if
> you like it or not.   It is not always good to install the latest
> release, because they (lately) often come with critical problems
> that affect the average user much much more than a security issue.

So you are advising every "average user" here to back down to 2.14.1?

> 
> The security issue only hits you when you visit some infected site,
> the new bugs often hit you all the time and right in the face.

I recommend that you actually take the time to *read* the fixed security
issues.

And do you think you will have a heads up for every "infected site"? Or
that all of the security fixes/vulnerabilities only involve the browser
component?

> 
> Watch for example what happened with IMAP mail in 2.13.  We had to
> rollback the entire Seamonkey deployment in our company because of
> critical bugs in 2.13.   Now we use 2.14.1 but I am again very
> wary to upgrade without extensive testing and making sure there
> are no stupid bugs like the font bug that was introduced into the
> HTML editor (and forced us to disable font size changes in the
> mail composition)

Odd, I don't see that mentioned in your posts here. But see no
improvement on the IMAP issues that I experience regardless of version.
(I click on an IMAP account & get continuous download symptoms until I
click away).

Your election to wait to install 2.15.x across 400+ computers is, of
course your choice. It may even be a good choice in your
situation/environment, but in the interim your company is at risk to the
CVE's listed. That said, I'd be pretty hesitant to tell someone an
individual on this list to stay at a 2.14 release without (IMO) good
reason.

> 
> Security issues are important, but functional bugs are also (and
> even more) important.  Unfortunately, Mozilla does not separate
> them like Microsoft does.   With Microsoft Internet Explorer we
> get functionally stable releases for which security bugs are solved
> with updates with as little functional impact as possible.

I see. Well I suppose... nah, never mind.

> With Mozilla you basically get security issues fixed only in the
> "current version", and whenever a security bug is fixed they entice
> you to upgrade to a new version with functional changes and new
> bugs, that are fixed only very slowly.   This means that many users
> just stay at (slightly) older versions.

I reckon that with the 400 MSO (mail & browser) license fees that your
company saves by using SeaMonkey, perhaps your company can contribute
something to the SeaMonkey project?




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Re: Are there ANY URL shortener extensions that work in Seamonkey??

[Janine Starykowicz]

Petr Voralek wrote:

Hello!

   On 01/25/2013 12:36 AM, *Cruz, Jaime* wrote, and I quote (in part):


I went through the Add-Ons catalog and it seems there are quite a few,
but not ONE of them would install.  This is getting aggravating!!


   You already tried bookmarklet from bit.ly?  They call this
"Bitmarklet".  No need to install anything, just add a link to prefbar
or SeaMonkey bookmarks toolbar...

https://bitly.com/a/tools



Bit.ly bookmarklet works great. If you go to the actual page you can get 
stats on click-throughs too.



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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

[NoOp]

On 01/24/2013 11:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Ant wrote:

>>> I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not 
>>> deliberately
>>> holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever 
>>> produces
>>> the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since 
>>> Mozilla
>>> builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
>>> places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released 
>>> in
>>> this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and 
>>> even
>>> with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and 
>>> one
>>> won't work.
>>>
>>
>> WFM.
>>
>> See my thread: "2.15 & Lightning"
>> 01/10/2013
>>
> Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the 
> 2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS) 
> directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the 
> seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.
> 
> Then I went to add-in manager and clicked "install from file," and Lightning 
> would not install. 

What version was the xpi and the md5sum? Where did you get it from?

> Then I went to the website, through the development channel, 
> and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.

My original post from the thread I referenced (Message-ID:
) was:


For those that have upgraded to SeaMonkey 2.15 & use the Lightning
Calendar extension, please note that you'll need to update to Lightning
version 2.0b1. You can download the xpi from here:

scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Development
Channel", click the yellow '+ Add to SeaMonkey' button.

As for why you need to use a beta version with SeaMonkey 2.15, this
might be of interest:



The file on the addons site is from here:

[lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40   1.8M]
$ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07  lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi

If you open the install.rdf file in that xpi package it shows:
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.152.15.*{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
Linux_x86-gcc3Linux_x86_64-gcc3

If you open the one from here & look at the install.rdf:

$ md5sum lightning.xpi
71a9de08a351ac6aecd7f4b66dfa4111  lightning.xpi
it shows:

{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.15a22.15a2{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
/preferences.xulLinux_x86_64-gcc3

So there are obvious differences. Unfortunately there seem to be
different versions all over the map & the file labels are all generic
'lightning.xpi' on the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly
directories. So I'd stick with the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/ - at leased they are
labeled.

I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user & dev groups.

'''
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Re: Are there ANY URL shortener extensions that work in Seamonkey??

[Petr Voralek]

   Hello!

  On 01/25/2013 12:36 AM, *Cruz, Jaime* wrote, and I quote (in part):

> I went through the Add-Ons catalog and it seems there are quite a few, 
> but not ONE of them would install.  This is getting aggravating!!

  You already tried bookmarklet from bit.ly?  They call this
"Bitmarklet".  No need to install anything, just add a link to prefbar
or SeaMonkey bookmarks toolbar...

https://bitly.com/a/tools

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Re: SM 2.15 -- virus detected

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> 
> If I got cleared in 12 hours and it took you a week, maybe you should
> switch to my method. Have someone with a Norton product install it, then
> report the snag as an end user.
> 

Fwiw, *I* have the product as well, because it came with my laptop
purchase, I hate it but chose not to fight the
uninstall-get-a-better-product dance yet.

I tested this method in the past, before I found their whitelist page,
the problem is that doing this method, only clears it for *me* not *you*
it takes a "significant" number of reports for them to clear it for
others, how many they never say.

And it is ONLY that install, e.g.
 * Installed SM 
 * Ran SM 
 * Norton flagged and quaranteed for this issue
 * Submitted false positive, un-quaranteened file
 * Exited SM
 * Uninstalled SM
 * re-installed SM  [same ver]
 * Ran SM 
 * Norton *again* flagged and quaranteed despite my marking it to ignore
that file.
 * -- This is part of why I noticed that Norton modifies the file
slightly when it restores it, presumably to add an internal signature of
some sort that doesn't really change how the file behaves, but does
modify the sha-sum and causes the hotpatching used by our update system
to break

Also since each LOCALE/VERSION is different it adds up in terms of human
effort to even do that.

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Are there ANY URL shortener extensions that work in Seamonkey??

[Cruz, Jaime]

The last one that I was able to install was TinyURL 2.0.2, but that no 
longer works (probably due to some changes at the tinyurl.com website). 
 The newer versions will not install.  Someone gave me a hack to get 
the latest one installed, but once installed it didn't work either.


I went through the Add-Ons catalog and it seems there are quite a few, 
but not ONE of them would install.  This is getting aggravating!!


--
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Secretary
Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club
http://www.nassauwings.org/

AMA District 34
http://www.AMADistrict34.com/
Pop's Run
http://www.popsrun.org/
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Re: Email Account Password No Longer Accepted

[Hartmut Figge]

TMitchell:
>TMitchell wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> TMitchell wrote:

 SM2.15 for no apparent reason quit accepting the password for one of my
 web mail accounts.  Any ideas on how to resolve?
>>>
>>> Have you had a look at Tools->Password Manager to see if SM has stored
>>> an incorrect password for this email account??
>>>
>> Yes, and the newer versions of SM do not seem to show any of my email
>> account info as the older versions did.

I do not like the new password manager, but the info should be there.

>Anyone else encounter this problem and how to resolve it?

Perhaps you will have more luck with
chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul

Hartmut
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Re: Ref newsgroups

[chicagofan]

Jim G. wrote:

chicagofan sent the following on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:38:02 -0500:

Lee wrote:

anyone else having problems signing in to their newsgroups.  I am with
USENET and sometimes I can log in automatically and then turn around
and have to log in manually and sometimes that does not work for the
first 4 or 6 times.  Could it be something with SM I have checked with
USENET and they have not indicated any problem and to my knowledge
nothing has changed over the last 3 days.

Thanks
Lee

Who provides your newsgroup service?  Many of them do maintenance on the
weekends, which can create access problems.

I use eternal-september and I'm not having any problems, but I don't
have to "log in".

Actually, you do. E-S requires a username and password. I'm guessing
that you provided that information to SeaMonkey at one point and have
just forgotten about it since.



I assumed [perhaps wrongly] that the OP was getting the box to log in 
with password each time he opened newsgroups, not when he originally set 
up his account.  :)

bj
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Re: Email Account Password No Longer Accepted

[TMitchell]

TMitchell wrote:

Daniel wrote:

TMitchell wrote:

SM2.15 for no apparent reason quit accepting the password for one of my
web mail accounts.  Any ideas on how to resolve?


Have you had a look at Tools->Password Manager to see if SM has stored
an incorrect password for this email account??


Yes, and the newer versions of SM do not seem to show any of my email
account info as the older versions did.

Anyone else encounter this problem and how to resolve it?
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Re: Can't add second email account

[Janine Starykowicz]

NoOp wrote:

On 01/23/2013 06:44 PM, Janine Starykowicz wrote:

I have tried Add Account from multiple screens and from the Edit > Mail
& News etc. button. In all cases, I type my name and email address, but
my only choice on the next screen is Newsgroup Server.

How do I add my other email accounts?

Janine



Unfortunately it's an old issue:


"After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config, or delete the invalid news account (bug 521861)."


[ After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard
is broken (skips account type selection, bound to invalid news account)]




This is the only news account I have subscribed. I had tried subscribing 
originally through the link, it apparently did subscribe me but nothing 
worked until I rebooted and then received the latest update to 2.15.1.


So if I delete it, will I be deleting my access here?

There is a serious conflict somewhere, last night SeaMonkey was 
crawling. Clicking on another email took forever to update the header 
and then even longer for the preview. Sites were slow to load, and even 
scrolling in both the browser and email was achingly slow. I left 
SeaMonkey closed overnight, it seems to be normal now.


I am still seeing the flickering cursor in 2.15.1, but not as much and 
the SeaMonkey is not responding message has not been as frequent 
(although I've been using other browsers more). There is another Flash 
update that I can see when I reboot, have not installed it yet because I 
can't find any info published. I've seen articles about a Jan. 6 update, 
but I know I've installed at least one recently. SeaMonkey is the only 
browser that seems affected but it is the default if that makes difference.


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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:

On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ant wrote:



I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.



WFM.

See my thread: "2.15 & Lightning"
01/10/2013

Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the 
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS) 
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the 
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.


Then I went to add-in manager and clicked "install from file," and Lightning 
would not install. Then I went to the website, through the development channel, 
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.



Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15
Lightning 2.0b1 true {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}




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we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

[Bill Davidsen]

Ray_Net wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45:


Ray_Net wrote:


I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News  there is no Threads in mail.

Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news),
and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . .

Philip Taylor

Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that.
Anyway i have "All" for View-Threads option.
But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations between 2
mails.


At the top of the page, in the column headings, click the leftmost one. I have a 
funky theme loaded so I'm not sure what it looks like to you, but click it, just 
as your would click the date header to sort by date or subject to sort by 
subject, etc.


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Any problems with version 12.15.1?

[Lee]

thanks then it must be me or a virus etc.  Will have to
do some more checking.  appreciate the feed back.

Ant wrote:


No problems for me.


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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

NoOp  wrote:
> On 01/23/2013 01:23 PM, Connie wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd rethink taking that "advise" were I you:
>>> 
>> 
>> Not take which advice?  Uninstalling the version already installed? 
>> Installing over the top or not doing so?  Or not installing 2.14.1?
>
> Installing 2.14.1 instead of the current 2.15.1.
>
> Notice that 2.15 fixes 12 /Critical/ security issues, and 6 /High/
> security issues.

Wait.  Each and every new release combines security fixes with
functional changes and new bugs.   It is like that, no matter if
you like it or not.   It is not always good to install the latest
release, because they (lately) often come with critical problems
that affect the average user much much more than a security issue.

The security issue only hits you when you visit some infected site,
the new bugs often hit you all the time and right in the face.

Watch for example what happened with IMAP mail in 2.13.  We had to
rollback the entire Seamonkey deployment in our company because of
critical bugs in 2.13.   Now we use 2.14.1 but I am again very
wary to upgrade without extensive testing and making sure there
are no stupid bugs like the font bug that was introduced into the
HTML editor (and forced us to disable font size changes in the
mail composition)

Security issues are important, but functional bugs are also (and
even more) important.  Unfortunately, Mozilla does not separate
them like Microsoft does.   With Microsoft Internet Explorer we
get functionally stable releases for which security bugs are solved
with updates with as little functional impact as possible.
With Mozilla you basically get security issues fixed only in the
"current version", and whenever a security bug is fixed they entice
you to upgrade to a new version with functional changes and new
bugs, that are fixed only very slowly.   This means that many users
just stay at (slightly) older versions.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

Connie  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> The bookmarks file is no longer used.  That info is now in places.sqlite.
>
>> When your current profile is different from the one where you found the
>> mail, you can create the required mail account in the new profile, then
>> close the program and using the explorer copy the folder Mail from the
>> old profile to the new profile.   This is where all your mail files are.
>>
>> When you then start Seamonkey again, the mail should be back.
>>
>> To be sure, I would install version 2.14.1 and not 2.15 or higher.
>> There appears to be a problem in that version, as I have seen a couple
>> of postings about suddenly losing the profile.
>
> Hallo
>
> Good news!
>
> I downloaded and installed 2.14.1.  Then copied the Profile folder to 
> a safe place.  Next checked the profile and opened SeaMonkey again.
>
> Success!!!
>
> *All* the local folders were there and so were the contents.  That's 
> where most of my work was stored.

Ok, that is great (and what was to be expected).
It tells you not to panic because something does not show up anymore :)

> The email accounts didn't reappear so I'll have to sort that out tomorrow.

Yes that is what I said.  You need to create the mail accounts.  That
is normally very simple.

> Thank you very very much for your help.  It is really appreciated.
>
> The browser has found both my home page (never used) and that I prefer 
> it to open on a blank page.  It hasn't picked up the bookmarks though 
> but I'll rebuild them from those I've salvaged.

Your bookmarks are normally in the file places.sqlite that you can
copy over from the old to the new profile, but they are also backed
up regularly in a subfolder bookmarkbackups where you find several
files from different dates, and you can import those in the program.

> Thank you again and a big hug.
>
> A very grateful and relieved Connie in London
> .

Ok good luck.   But I still recommend you to implement some backup
solution to an external USB stick or disk.
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Re: coupon printer problem solved

[Rob]

bern...@nospam.com  wrote:
> The files are located in Firefox plugin directory after installing 
> coupon printer into Firefox.
> NPcol400.dll
> NPcouponprinter.dll
> NPmozcouponprinter.dll
> After copying these files to your Seamonkey plugin directory. Just run 
> the install procedure again for coupon printer. It will now work.

It means the plugin is broken.  Plugins are no longer supposed to put
files in the plugins directory.  They should place their file in
a location of their own choosing (e.g. under the windows directory
or in their own program files subdirectory) and they should put their
location in the registry under the MozillaPlugins key.

This is done so that when you uninstall the browser (Firefox/Seamonkey)
and thus remove the plugins directory, and you re-install it, the
plugins are still there.
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