Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/2014 7:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:29 PM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/15/2014 10:36 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:07 AM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 5:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:38 PM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:05 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Check the number of lines of code involved. Bloat does not equal complexity or value. Before the days of desktop computers and client-server systems, I was a software test engineer on a complex software system that ran on a main-frame. This system went operational about 1971 or 1972 and continued to evolve until it was shut down in 1992. Because the main-frame had a fixed memory size, much effort was expended on ensuring that new features could be added without increasing the amount of memory required. Often, I was asked how big the system was. We had a tool that would provide the number of source-code statements as well as the size of the compiled executables. I guarded that tool to prevent naive managers from using it. After I learned that the customer (U.S. Air Force) was interested in how much code they obtained for the money they spent, I would release the results only under a cover memo that explained that size was a very poor measure of value. So you are saying bloat code is always flawless? I miss the logic here. NO! I said bloat does not equal complexity or value. Bloat is inherently flawed. Just because you have 20 GB of memory, 100 TB of hard drive, and a 50 GHz processor does not mean you should ignore efficiency and consume all available resources. Why not? You paid for them. You planning to leave them for future generations and don't want to wear them out? I might have use for my hardware resources that are unknown to the developer of an individual application. I often more than one application at a time, some of which use significant hardware resources. For example, after doing backups of all my hard drives -- segmented by Windows, non-Windows software, data excluding photos, and photos -- I then encrypt the backup files and move the results to an external hard drive. At the same time, I might be replying to E-mail or surfing the Web. Encryption via OpenPGP is processor-intensive. Moving gigabyte files from an internal hard drive to an external one is I/O-intensive. E-mail and Web surfing are network-intensive. Oh yes, I forgot; sometimes while all this is going on, I am also doing a system-wide anti-virus scan (processor- and I/O-intensive). I do not want bloatware impacting my attempt to have my PC doing mutliple tasks. Then don't use ABP, or don't open a lot of tabs. There are always limits to available resources. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/2014 8:01 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 15/05/2014 12:51, Philip Taylor told the world: In 1975/6, one of my 3rd-year undergraduates in Computer Science wrote a chess end-game solver; it ran in 8Kb. Is there a programmer alive today who could achieve the same in 8Mb, let alone 8Kb ? Oh, a few. Mostly people who like assembler. Like Steve Gibson. Doesn't C++ allow inline assembly code?? I used to enjoy coding in assembler. Nothing like getting down there with bits, nibbles, and bytes.. Grin. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to use a form with SM - ok with FireFox
On 5/15/2014 7:21 PM, WaltS48 wrote: On 05/15/2014 08:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: WaltS48 wrote, On 16/05/2014 00:27: On 05/15/2014 06:05 PM, EE wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Hello, Another problem with SM. Unable to type into a form. Steps to reproduce: 1. go to http://www.stib-mivb.be/index.htm?l=fr 2. Click on the tab Recherche d'itinéraire 3. Then go in the middle of the page and click on the Cliquer ici pour rechercher un itinéraire 4. Type in the first zone (localité): anderlecht .. then try to type in the Rue zone ... BUT if you are too long to do something, without having the time to type: anderlecht you are switched to an error page where it's written: --- Requête non complétée Votre demande n'a pu être traitée. Veuillez réessayer. --- With IE11, it work, but i have another problem rendering the form unusable. With FireFox 26.0 all goes well SM version under Wiwdows7 is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Build identifier: 20140203230027 Does not work for me with either FF 24esr or SeaMonkey. It works only with Safari. Works with Adblock Plus disabled using SeaMonkey 2.25 and Firefox 29.0.1 for me. BINGO ! AdBlock+ yeah ! TESTED OK - Many Thanks ! yw That extension is becoming more of a pita than it is worth to me. cbsnews.com is totally blank unless you disable ABP for that site. I am sure that is because their whole site is one big advertising display, right? No way around that, if you want to see their site, but that's about the last place I would go for news. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/2014 8:24 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 9:48 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Still Rather Complex to do Email Newsgroup Web Browsing ant one it could do FTP. Not really...you write three routines, and one routine to drive them all. I used to do that with my engineering homework...I'd code each assignment as a subroutine and as the semester went on I'd just choose the function I needed form the previous assignment and write a driver to call them as needed to get the result for the next assignment. My prof used to ask why I had to write such fancy code...why don't you just do the assignment. He never caught on that by doing things as I had the assignments actually were getting easier as he gave them out - copy, cut, paste, script. That's why he taught and, I suspect, you worked and made money. Education vs. real world. Academia vs. life. That's why I like to see educators come into teaching after retiring from business. For a few years, they are great as they have real world experience. Then their experience grows less useful because the technology changes, and they need to retire again. That's why schools like to see their educators continue to work toward higher degrees, or doing research... There are severe financial impacts in the USA for going into teaching after first having a career - you lose the entirety of your Social Security benefit...because teachers don't pay Social Security tax and the benefit is based on consecutive quarters to retirement. So there's a true dis-incentive...at least in the USA. I found this out when my Dad retired - he was a teacher. I was stunned. Hummm. I subbed for 5 years. No effect on my SS because I didn't start teaching until I was already on SS. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
On 16/05/14 07:44, PhillipJones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ray Davison wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Philip Taylor wrote: Trane Francks wrote: SeaMonkey's lineage is directly traceable to Netscape Navigator 1.0. SeaMonkey will effectively be having its 20th birthday this year. Er, no (not unless you believe in time-travel !); it is /Netscape/ that will effectively be having its 20th birthday this year, and as someone who has used every version from Netscape 1.0 to Seamonkey 2.17, I would like to wish Netscape a Very Happy Birthday indeed ! What's in a name? That which we call SeaMonkey, by any other name would smell as sweet... And as for there being a continuous chain, my current mail files began life in Netscape. They have always been on a separate partition from the apps, so when I got a new version of the app I just told it to use the existing files. Mine too, but I don't remember the number of the first version of Netscape I used. Mine was 3.0.1. Gold cost me $39.95 receive in Mail a CD and a 200 page paperback book. I've got two copies of the book lying around here, so did I get one with NC 3.0 Gold and another with NC 4.0, I wonder!! As this is not problem solving, I've cross-posted to moz.gen and set follow-up there as well! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 16/05/14 02:47, Philip Taylor wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: [T]his history notes bugs that were fixed in different versions: http://ctan.mackichan.com/systems/knuth/dist/tex/tex.web Quite correct -- there /were/ (a very small number of) bugs. But Knuth is punctilious in eliminating every bug reported, and if you study his methodology you will see that he then rigorously searches the code for any place where he might have made a similar error. The claim was not that no body of code as complex as that of Seamonkey can be free of error at its inception but rather no body of code as complex as that of Seamonkey can be ever be free of bugs, which is a very different claim indeed. Philip Taylor And the man has some confidence in his programming . (From the file) % A reward of $327.68 will be paid to the first finder of any remaining bug. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 16/05/14 11:18, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: On 15/05/14 11:05, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: Snip I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. I suspect not - SM just need to be able to follow the path through the OS X file system to the actual file and open it...what it's doing now on me is opening a blank page. Again - used to work, now it doesn't, haven't changed OS X = SM problem. Rufus, I think there have been updates to Mac OS X, so it may have changed. Yes, there have been updates to OS X, but I haven't installed them - all of my most used installs run under 10.6.8, and I have only one running under 10.7.1 which I use very little. I see the same thing for both - it used to work, now it doesn't. Is it possible for you to install an old SM version where you *KNOW* it did work on your current OS X to see if this function does still work?? Daniel Yes - I know that 1.1.19 worked (I still use 1.1.19 on an older iMac I have running 10.5 and that still works), and it must have worked in 2.7.1 judging from my UA string indicating 2.7.2 when I wrote the bug. but if you were to run SM 1.1.19 on your OS X 10.6.8 or 10.7.1, would that feature still work?? i.e. has the OS changed in some way to restrict what SM can do!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/16/2014 5:16 AM, Daniel wrote: On 16/05/14 02:47, Philip Taylor wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: [T]his history notes bugs that were fixed in different versions: http://ctan.mackichan.com/systems/knuth/dist/tex/tex.web Quite correct -- there /were/ (a very small number of) bugs. But Knuth is punctilious in eliminating every bug reported, and if you study his methodology you will see that he then rigorously searches the code for any place where he might have made a similar error. The claim was not that no body of code as complex as that of Seamonkey can be free of error at its inception but rather no body of code as complex as that of Seamonkey can be ever be free of bugs, which is a very different claim indeed. Philip Taylor And the man has some confidence in his programming . (From the file) % A reward of $327.68 will be paid to the first finder of any remaining bug. Interesting figure. Wonder how he came up with that...?? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 16/05/14 21:05, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:16 AM, Daniel wrote: Snip And the man has some confidence in his programming . (From the file) % A reward of $327.68 will be paid to the first finder of any remaining bug. Interesting figure. Wonder how he came up with that...?? One might wonder, on some particular date, was US$300 worth AU$327.68 (or vies versa) or was 200 GB pounds equal to US$327.68!! Who knows!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mail Display Glitch
My SeaMonkey 2.26 Mail window uses the Classic Layout with message list and preview panes on the right. When I first open Mail it shows only a single pane on the right with no message list. I have to close and restart Mail to get the message list to display. The View menu shows the same settings in either case. Is this a known problem, and if so, is there a way I can make SeaMonkey open with the correct layout without having to restart it? -- C. Bankston ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Display Glitch
Le 16/05/2014 16:02, Cecil Bankston a écrit : My SeaMonkey 2.26 Mail window uses the Classic Layout with message list and preview panes on the right. When I first open Mail it shows only a single pane on the right with no message list. I have to close and restart Mail to get the message list to display. The View menu shows the same settings in either case. Is this a known problem, and if so, is there a way I can make SeaMonkey open with the correct layout without having to restart it? same here -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey, firefox, and $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so on a Scientific Linux system
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 14 mai 2014, Charles Campbell a écrit : Hello! I have been dropped from administration rights on this box at work, so I can't do a regular seamonkey install. Instead, I run it out of a personal directory. On my home computer, I have a $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/ directory wherein I've put libflashplayer.so, and firefox seems to pick that up and use it ok from there. However, seamonkey does not do so. That doesn't bother me at home, because I've put it where it does find it (somewhere under /usr, if I recall correctly). Where may I put libflashplayer.so so that seamonkey will find it? I've tried putting it in .../seamonkey/ where a number of other *.so files it provides resides, but that doesn't do the trick, either. Add this to ~/.profile (assuming your shell is bash or similar): export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib64/browser-plugins where you'll put the correct path, of course. If flash is installed and up-to-date on the system, you may point to the system dir. Or you point to your own dir and, if this prevents SM from seeing plugins installed system-wide, in your own dir you add symbolic links to other system plugins you use and don't want to install on your own. Thank you -- but it still didn't work. I suspect that I'm using a flash plugin that's incompatible with linux 64-bit seamonkey. I'll have to get a 64-bit flash plugin, I suppose. Regards, Chip Campbell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex not going to spend all day there, but several videos said I needed to instal Flash, and the others had no indication that I could go full screen, so I right-clicked the video and found a full screen option, but the screen just goes black. GW on OS X (10.9) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Geoff Welsh: Cruz, Jaime wrote: http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex not going to spend all day there, but several videos said I needed to instal Flash, and the others had no indication that I could go full screen, so I right-clicked the video and found a full screen option, but the screen just goes black. Videos from 2014, 0213_02_DeathValley, plays fine her after allowing Flashblock to do it. Toggling full screen is possible with F11. User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:32.0) Gecko/2014051601 Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29a1-h Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
A good AdBlock Plus replacement for SeaMonkey web browsers?
ABP is getting bloated and buggy especially with https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=22906 , http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29247514- , etc. Are there any good ad blocker replacements for SeaMonkeys in Linux/Debian, Mac OS X, and Windows? Thank you in advance. :) -- Why eat ants when an uncle will do? --Tymoutta Aardvarka of Sarcastica /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Philip Taylor wrote: Trane Francks wrote: SeaMonkey's lineage is directly traceable to Netscape Navigator 1.0. SeaMonkey will effectively be having its 20th birthday this year. Er, no (not unless you believe in time-travel !); it is /Netscape/ that will effectively be having its 20th birthday this year, and as someone who has used every version from Netscape 1.0 to Seamonkey 2.17, I would like to wish Netscape a Very Happy Birthday indeed ! Philip Taylor I second that Happy Birthday. I think I began with a 2.0 version of Netscape... and never left. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to use a form with SM - ok with FireFox
WaltS48 wrote: On 05/15/2014 06:05 PM, EE wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Hello, Another problem with SM. Unable to type into a form. Steps to reproduce: 1. go to http://www.stib-mivb.be/index.htm?l=fr 2. Click on the tab Recherche d'itinéraire 3. Then go in the middle of the page and click on the Cliquer ici pour rechercher un itinéraire 4. Type in the first zone (localité): anderlecht .. then try to type in the Rue zone ... BUT if you are too long to do something, without having the time to type: anderlecht you are switched to an error page where it's written: --- Requête non complétée Votre demande n'a pu être traitée. Veuillez réessayer. --- With IE11, it work, but i have another problem rendering the form unusable. With FireFox 26.0 all goes well SM version under Wiwdows7 is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Build identifier: 20140203230027 Does not work for me with either FF 24esr or SeaMonkey. It works only with Safari. Works with Adblock Plus disabled using SeaMonkey 2.25 and Firefox 29.0.1 for me. I have Safari Adblocker, which uses Adblock Plus subscriptions, and did not have to disable that. Why would it be different with Adblock Plus with subscriptions in SM and FF? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to use a form with SM - ok with FireFox
On 05/16/2014 03:48 PM, EE wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 05/15/2014 06:05 PM, EE wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Hello, Another problem with SM. Unable to type into a form. Steps to reproduce: 1. go to http://www.stib-mivb.be/index.htm?l=fr 2. Click on the tab Recherche d'itinéraire 3. Then go in the middle of the page and click on the Cliquer ici pour rechercher un itinéraire 4. Type in the first zone (localité): anderlecht .. then try to type in the Rue zone ... BUT if you are too long to do something, without having the time to type: anderlecht you are switched to an error page where it's written: --- Requête non complétée Votre demande n'a pu être traitée. Veuillez réessayer. --- With IE11, it work, but i have another problem rendering the form unusable. With FireFox 26.0 all goes well SM version under Wiwdows7 is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Build identifier: 20140203230027 Does not work for me with either FF 24esr or SeaMonkey. It works only with Safari. Works with Adblock Plus disabled using SeaMonkey 2.25 and Firefox 29.0.1 for me. I have Safari Adblocker, which uses Adblock Plus subscriptions, and did not have to disable that. Why would it be different with Adblock Plus with subscriptions in SM and FF? Just reporting my findings in an attempt to assist. Updated all my subscriptions today. Did not retest the site. -- Thunderbird 30.0b1 Jazz Live International http://pittsburghjazzlive.com/ Go Bucs! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/15/2014 6:01 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 6:23 PM, Rufus wrote [in part]: ...you used the MAC version, right? What I see when I invoke the PM at start up is the new more modern looking graphic - which is more of a splash than what I'd call a window; and the colors match the SM Modern Theme. When I invoke the PM using Switch User I get a presentation that looks like the older 1.x.x/Netscape graphics - older colors not matching the SM Modern Theme. Plus whatever else...the fact that the graphical presentations are different alone is enough to make me loose faith. No, I am using Windows 7. If I set SeaMonkey to use the Modern theme, I get the opposite of what you describe. Without SeaMonkey already running, launching the Profile Manager gives me a window with the Default theme. With SeaMonkey already running, selecting [Tools Switch Profile] from the menu bar gives me a Profile Manager window with the Modern theme. That's a new and additional observation for the PC platform, but it still backs up the basics of what I wrote for the bug, if only in opposite presentation. I strongly suspect that the Profile Manager does not have the capability to determine the user's chosen theme and load it, but the Profile Manager does have the capability of using whatever theme was in use when it is launched. I only use the SM Modern Theme, and I'm not switching Themes - but the PM is showing me two differing presentations depending on how it is launched...if what you say were to hold then my bug should vanish after the second launch - it doesn't for me, what do you see? I don't see why it should do two different things period - especially showing me the old 1.1.x screen, which isn't relevant to *either* of the current built in Themes...there should only be *one* screen, no matter how you invoke it. This is why I suspect spaghetti/non-identical duplication in the coding. Actually, I think the Modern Theme is hiddeous. Other than for this test, my selection is the Default theme. I think the Default Theme is hideous - I couldn't ditch it fast enough. If the current Default Theme should ever become my only selection I *will* quit using SM and convert to using Safari and Thunderbird. In fact, I've got a mind to look into writing a couple plugins that would add the two to each others menus to make them seem like a faux suite...an I idea that just occurred to me the other day. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/15/2014 8:24 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 9:48 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Still Rather Complex to do Email Newsgroup Web Browsing ant one it could do FTP. Not really...you write three routines, and one routine to drive them all. I used to do that with my engineering homework...I'd code each assignment as a subroutine and as the semester went on I'd just choose the function I needed form the previous assignment and write a driver to call them as needed to get the result for the next assignment. My prof used to ask why I had to write such fancy code...why don't you just do the assignment. He never caught on that by doing things as I had the assignments actually were getting easier as he gave them out - copy, cut, paste, script. That's why he taught and, I suspect, you worked and made money. Education vs. real world. Academia vs. life. That's why I like to see educators come into teaching after retiring from business. For a few years, they are great as they have real world experience. Then their experience grows less useful because the technology changes, and they need to retire again. That's why schools like to see their educators continue to work toward higher degrees, or doing research... There are severe financial impacts in the USA for going into teaching after first having a career - you lose the entirety of your Social Security benefit...because teachers don't pay Social Security tax and the benefit is based on consecutive quarters to retirement. So there's a true dis-incentive...at least in the USA. I found this out when my Dad retired - he was a teacher. I was stunned. Hummm. I subbed for 5 years. No effect on my SS because I didn't start teaching until I was already on SS. That was probably your out - my Dad managed to work enough quarters after he retired by starting his own biz, but his SS check is only about $65/mo...he put in the time mainly to qual for the medical bennies. There was a spot on the evening news here a few years back about some CA nurses that had retired and gone on to full time teaching careers only to get old enough to apply for SS and find out they got zip...nothing, nada. So if you're planning to make a full-time second career out of teaching in the USA you better get tenured and have a pension, because your bennie from your first career is negated. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Daniel wrote: On 16/05/14 11:18, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: On 15/05/14 11:05, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: Snip I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. I suspect not - SM just need to be able to follow the path through the OS X file system to the actual file and open it...what it's doing now on me is opening a blank page. Again - used to work, now it doesn't, haven't changed OS X = SM problem. Rufus, I think there have been updates to Mac OS X, so it may have changed. Yes, there have been updates to OS X, but I haven't installed them - all of my most used installs run under 10.6.8, and I have only one running under 10.7.1 which I use very little. I see the same thing for both - it used to work, now it doesn't. Is it possible for you to install an old SM version where you *KNOW* it did work on your current OS X to see if this function does still work?? Daniel Yes - I know that 1.1.19 worked (I still use 1.1.19 on an older iMac I have running 10.5 and that still works), and it must have worked in 2.7.1 judging from my UA string indicating 2.7.2 when I wrote the bug. but if you were to run SM 1.1.19 on your OS X 10.6.8 or 10.7.1, would that feature still work?? i.e. has the OS changed in some way to restrict what SM can do!! No, the OS hasn't restricted SM and if such a change were to have occurred Apple would have pointed it out in it's Developer notes - which I assume the SM developers actually read...I hope so, because I can only guess that there are a lot of them pertaining to the new Mavericks OS... I continued to run SM 1.1.19 on my 10.6.8 machines until the release of 2.7 because of all of the complaints about 2.x I'd read here. I finally put 2.7 on my laptop for evaluation and determined it to finally be usable. The only problem I had with 1.1.19 under 10.6.8 was the random prompting for my Master Password, which got broken somewhere around 1.1.16 and is *still* broken in 2.26. And the 1.1.19 Password Manager didn't give me any issues either. I also halted at 2.13.1 until now because of the short drawn drops compounding the problem with ignoring my Pref setting for use of Master Password, but the short drops have finally been fixed and now I'm up with 2.26 on all my machines...except my OS X 10.5 install, because it won't run on PPC. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... You can post them in the bug report. Make JPEG, GIF, or some other image file. Then update the bug report by attaching the image file. How do I do that? I don't see a way to navigate to the file to include it...I've taken two screen shots - standing by... ...I think I found it. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... You can post them in the bug report. Make JPEG, GIF, or some other image file. Then update the bug report by attaching the image file. How do I do that? I don't see a way to navigate to the file to include it...I've taken two screen shots - standing by... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... You can post them in the bug report. Make JPEG, GIF, or some other image file. Then update the bug report by attaching the image file. How do I do that? I don't see a way to navigate to the file to include it...I've taken two screen shots - standing by... ...I think I found it. Screen shots posted in bug #724293. Bugs #724293 and #743463 are probably related; both don't work, whether or not the PM is invoked at start up. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Display Glitch
On 05/16/2014 07:02 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote: My SeaMonkey 2.26 Mail window uses the Classic Layout with message list and preview panes on the right. When I first open Mail it shows only a single pane on the right with no message list. I have to close and restart Mail to get the message list to display. The View menu shows the same settings in either case. Is this a known problem, and if so, is there a way I can make SeaMonkey open with the correct layout without having to restart it? If you have Ghostery installed disable it. Then restart. See: https://getsatisfaction.com/ghostery/topics/5_1_0_update_on_seamonkey_2_23_linux_causes_blank_thread_and_preview_panes_in_email_client?utm_content=topic_linkutm_medium=emailutm_source=reply_notification ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Display Glitch
NoOp wrote: On 05/16/2014 07:02 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote: My SeaMonkey 2.26 Mail window uses the Classic Layout with message list and preview panes on the right. When I first open Mail it shows only a single pane on the right with no message list. I have to close and restart Mail to get the message list to display. The View menu shows the same settings in either case. Is this a known problem, and if so, is there a way I can make SeaMonkey open with the correct layout without having to restart it? If you have Ghostery installed disable it. Then restart. See: https://getsatisfaction.com/ghostery/topics/5_1_0_update_on_seamonkey_2_23_linux_causes_blank_thread_and_preview_panes_in_email_client?utm_content=topic_linkutm_medium=emailutm_source=reply_notification I'm using SeaMonkey on a Windows 7 Pro system and don't use Ghostery. -- C. Bankston ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/16/2014 6:26 PM, Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... You can post them in the bug report. Make JPEG, GIF, or some other image file. Then update the bug report by attaching the image file. How do I do that? I don't see a way to navigate to the file to include it...I've taken two screen shots - standing by... ...I think I found it. Screen shots posted in bug #724293. Bugs #724293 and #743463 are probably related; both don't work, whether or not the PM is invoked at start up. Yep! I was able to view them. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Display Glitch
On 05/16/2014 07:02 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/16/2014 07:02 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote: My SeaMonkey 2.26 Mail window uses the Classic Layout with message list and preview panes on the right. When I first open Mail it shows only a single pane on the right with no message list. I have to close and restart Mail to get the message list to display. The View menu shows the same settings in either case. Is this a known problem, and if so, is there a way I can make SeaMonkey open with the correct layout without having to restart it? If you have Ghostery installed disable it. Then restart. See: https://getsatisfaction.com/ghostery/topics/5_1_0_update_on_seamonkey_2_23_linux_causes_blank_thread_and_preview_panes_in_email_client?utm_content=topic_linkutm_medium=emailutm_source=reply_notification I'm using SeaMonkey on a Windows 7 Pro system and don't use Ghostery. Interesting. Are you getting this: http://s13.postimg.org/5hux0xf6v/Screenshot_from_2014_01_20_20_53_41.png or this? http://s14.postimg.org/b7wqvhhnl/Screenshot_from_2014_01_23_18_45_26.png instead of something like this? http://s30.postimg.org/gmtxb62sx/Screenshot_from_2014_01_23_18_46_27.png If so, you might want to try restarting with all addons extensions disabled see if you get the same. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 6:26 PM, Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/16/2014 5:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 15/05/2014 09:23, Rufus wrote: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? Could you provide some screenshots? As far as I know we have only one Profile Manager. Phil Where can I send them? Would be really nice if I could post them with the bug...or here... You can post them in the bug report. Make JPEG, GIF, or some other image file. Then update the bug report by attaching the image file. How do I do that? I don't see a way to navigate to the file to include it...I've taken two screen shots - standing by... ...I think I found it. Screen shots posted in bug #724293. Bugs #724293 and #743463 are probably related; both don't work, whether or not the PM is invoked at start up. Yep! I was able to view them. Good. Pictures always help! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 2:06 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. mine (SM) does that GW on OSX ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey, firefox, and $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so on a Scientific Linux system
On 05/16/2014 08:15 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 14 mai 2014, Charles Campbell a écrit : Hello! I have been dropped from administration rights on this box at work, so I can't do a regular seamonkey install. Instead, I run it out of a personal directory. On my home computer, I have a $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/ directory wherein I've put libflashplayer.so, and firefox seems to pick that up and use it ok from there. However, seamonkey does not do so. That doesn't bother me at home, because I've put it where it does find it (somewhere under /usr, if I recall correctly). Where may I put libflashplayer.so so that seamonkey will find it? I've tried putting it in .../seamonkey/ where a number of other *.so files it provides resides, but that doesn't do the trick, either. Add this to ~/.profile (assuming your shell is bash or similar): export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib64/browser-plugins where you'll put the correct path, of course. If flash is installed and up-to-date on the system, you may point to the system dir. Or you point to your own dir and, if this prevents SM from seeing plugins installed system-wide, in your own dir you add symbolic links to other system plugins you use and don't want to install on your own. Thank you -- but it still didn't work. I suspect that I'm using a flash plugin that's incompatible with linux 64-bit seamonkey. I'll have to get a 64-bit flash plugin, I suppose. Regards, Chip Campbell Don't know if this will help, but here is what I have: File: libflashplayer.so Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so Version: 11.2.202.359 State: Disabled Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 file /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped $ md5sum libflashplayer.so 740eba4ef353eb04aa40e2b07e886b63 libflashplayer.so If I do not use the one in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so, then I put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins instead. That generally works for me - not sure why it doesn't work for you. Testing: I just cp'ed libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins then renamed the version in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin to libflashplayer.so_back and (with restarting SeaMonkey) checked to see if SM picks it up - it does: Shockwave Flash File: libflashplayer.so Path: /home/username/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version: 11.2.202.359 State: Enabled Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 Firefox 29 picks it up from the ~/.mozilla/plugins also. You might want to check that you have a valid libflashplayer.so in that location not a symlink instead. Tested both here: http://www.adobe.com/eeurope/software/flash/about/ You have version 11,2,202,359 installed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
