Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
Lee


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe
reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated
with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't
have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM
or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was
some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org


Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM
to understand this stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?



Why not detach the attachment (I presume the .pdf
file is an attachment?) and read it like any other
.pdf file on your hard drive?


Often I don't know if I want to save the pdf file or not, so I would
like the option to read it - then decide to save it or not.

Just my quirk.

DB


You can have any detached attachment saved to the download directory, 
read it there, and delete it if you do not want to keep it.  Because of 
the way Mac Mozilla applications work, whether I open or save files, 
they get added to my download directory anyway, and I have to delete 
those that I do not want to keep.  I simply got used to that.


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Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 119, Issue 54

[Mike lewis]

> Mike lewis wrote on 11/27/2015 11:32 PM:
> >> Mike lewis wrote:
> >>> SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
> >> accounts,
> >>> and newsgroup accounts work fine.
> >>>
> >> Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?
> >>
> >
> > IMAP
> >
>
> Check your settings.
>
> https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665018
>
>
>
My settings are fine. I've been using SeaMonkey Mail for a few years now
with no issue with this account. It just happened out of the blue. I do
feel it maybe some sort of syncing error however since I cannot update my
gmail account, and unread mail cannot be marked read. (Should I link a
picture?)
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 7:51 PM:

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in
the add-ons manager.




I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.



Never seen "Always ask" to fail. No experience with Flashblock as I work
to minimize installed extensions.


With Firefox now, the click-to-play permission is per site, but not with 
SeaMonkey.  SM still treats click-to-play as per item.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/


Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash
rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:



Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.


A better place to get the Flash player is here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html


There is no extra crap dumped on you from that page.



As someone who knows about these things, would YOU recommend that
Mozilla Flash Extension over using the (now resident?) HTML5 player.

Sometimes (not always) YouTube Videos (especially music ones) are choppy
and have pauses, etc.

Would I NOT have that with the Mozilla Extension ?


It is not Mozilla Flash, but Adobe Flash, and it is a plugin, not an 
extension.


I do not think HTML5 is ready for prime time yet.  It still does things 
I do not like, like defaulting to the lowest possible resolution.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 11/28/2015 1:34 PM:

Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good
with XP3.
If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.
Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit
periodically
to remove the flash cookies.
To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.



Doing that will break an awful lot of valid sites that require
javascript to function.  Bank of America comes to mind.



Flash will not work without javascript.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Rick Merrill]

On 11/28/2015 12:24 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



See Wired's article: "Flash Must Die"

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/adobe-flash-player-die/

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Managing Permissions

[A Williams]

I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session" 
setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and 
discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.


So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".

Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions 
are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for 
the site) and then trying again does not help.


How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Lee]

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:
> DoctorBill wrote:
>> I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
>> Viruses and Trojans
>> into your system.
>> I went to Mozilla.org then this;
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/
>>
>> Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.

The current version of SM is 2.39; running SM 2.33.1 is unsafe.

>> Please eschew comments on XP !

As long as you eschew using an admin account for general use )
Use the admin account for administering the machine & use an account
with no privileges for general use -- like using Flash & SM 2.33.1

And use things like
https://www.virustotal.com/
https://malwr.com/submission/
https://virusscan.jotti.org/
http://www.virscan.org/
to check out a program before installing it.


>> Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
>> Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?
>>
>> Danke, danke.
>>
>> DB
>
> Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good with
> XP3.
> If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
> It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.

https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


> Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit
> periodically
> to remove the flash cookies.
> To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.

+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?

Regards,
Lee
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[WaltS48]

On 11/28/2015 11:55 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 7:51 PM:

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in
the add-ons manager.




I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.



Never seen "Always ask" to fail. No experience with Flashblock as I work
to minimize installed extensions.





Well, each user is different. Some go to sites that when you allow Flash 
for the whole site, just to watch the video you are interested in, will 
play the little sport game snippet of the day, or an ad, or some other 
tiny video down the page that the user doesn't see.


That said, I don't use Flashblock and rarely encounter that situation.

On my local news site I do occasionally see the sports video playing on 
the home page with no sound.


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Re: Managing Permissions

[David E. Ross]

On 11/29/2015 4:45 AM, A Williams wrote:
> I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session" 
> setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and 
> discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.
> 
> So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".
> 
> Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions 
> are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for 
> the site) and then trying again does not help.
> 
> How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?
> 

I found the best solution (best for me) to be with the PrefBar extension
from .  I
imported into PrefBar the Permissions Menu menulist from
 and used it
to get the old Cookies Manager.

On the Cookie Websites tab, I deleted entries for Web sites that
indicate "website can set cookes" and re-entered those sites with the
Session button.  If I want to block a Web site completely from setting
cookies, I select the Stored Cookies tab on Cookie Manager.  I check the
"Don't allow websites that set removed cookies to set future cookies"
checkbox and then delete the unwanted cookies.

Note that, after the Stored Cookies tab indicates only those cookies I
really want to keep, I terminate the Cookie Manager and SeaMonkey.
After making sure that everything is terminated, I locate cookies.sqlite
in my profile and mark it "read-only".  Web sites might think they are
setting persistent cookies but those cookies do not get written to their
database when SeaMonkey is terminated.  They all become "session only".

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