Re: Whitelist from enabled "Prevent tracking activities by known sites" option?

[Ant]

FYI. http://rottentomatoes.com is another web site that doesn't like 
this. :(



On 11/27/2015 7:20 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

http://www.ocregister.com shows many missing images.onset.freedom.com
images in my web browsers because I have enabled SM's "Privacy &
Security's Prevent tracking activities by known sites" (about:config's
privacy.trackingprotection.enabled). Is there a way to whitelist
this?

Thank you in advance. :)

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How to I look at the details of a newsgroup post?
e.g. sender name, email etc ...
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Re: Managing Permissions

[A Williams]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/30/2015 2:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 30/11/2015 3:34 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/29/2015 4:45 AM, A Williams wrote:

I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session"
setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and
discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.

So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".

Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions
are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for
the site) and then trying again does not help.

How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?



I found the best solution (best for me) to be with the PrefBar extension
from .  I
imported into PrefBar the Permissions Menu menulist from
 and used it
to get the old Cookies Manager.

On the Cookie Websites tab, I deleted entries for Web sites that
indicate "website can set cookes" and re-entered those sites with the
Session button.  If I want to block a Web site completely from setting
cookies, I select the Stored Cookies tab on Cookie Manager.  I check the
"Don't allow websites that set removed cookies to set future cookies"
checkbox and then delete the unwanted cookies.

Note that, after the Stored Cookies tab indicates only those cookies I
really want to keep, I terminate the Cookie Manager and SeaMonkey.
After making sure that everything is terminated, I locate cookies.sqlite
in my profile and mark it "read-only".  Web sites might think they are
setting persistent cookies but those cookies do not get written to their
database when SeaMonkey is terminated.  They all become "session only".


Thank you, David, for providing your work-arounds, but, if I mark a
cookie as "Allow for Session Only", why does SM ignore my wishes and
change the cookies setting to "Allow". Do the Devs know better, or
something??



Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.39

That is not happening for me.



I think I can see what is happening and it appears my permissions.sqlite 
is corrupt.  Taking a site at random (ok, its near the top) 
http://123people.com
When I look at the permissions for that site, "Set Cookies" is in there 
twice - two lines for the one entry - changing one of the lines works, 
the second one is resilient.
Maybe I could get out of this if it was possible to delete permissions 
but it does not appear to be.


possibility 1 - rename the file and start again.
possibility 2 - get some utility which can clean up a "SQLite 3.x 
database, user version 8" under Linux.
possibility 3 - "it does not matter what the second line says, it is the 
first one which counts" would be the perfect solution!


Something which could compress places.sqlite (21GB) or 
webappsstore.sqlite (10GB) would also not be a bad idea.  Further 
research is called for.  Thanks.

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Re: Managing Permissions

[A Williams]

EE wrote:

A Williams wrote:

I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session"
setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and
discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.

So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".

Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions
are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for
the site) and then trying again does not help.

How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?


Try the advice here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Preferences_not_saved



Thanks, but this advice looks to be for another problem.  Updating my 
preferences works just fine, my problem is with permissions for some - 
not all - websites.  They will be in permissions.sqlite.

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Re: View Post Details

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Me wrote:

> How to I look at the details of a newsgroup post?
> e.g. sender name, email etc ...

Press Control-U to see the complete source of a post. If you only desire 
minimal headers, expand them in the area at the top of the message pane.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[GerardJan]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
Lee




I use version: 11.2.202.540

no problems what so ever...

regards,



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Re: Managing Permissions

[David E. Ross]

On 11/30/2015 2:47 AM, Daniel wrote:
> On 30/11/2015 3:34 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 11/29/2015 4:45 AM, A Williams wrote:
>>> I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session"
>>> setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and
>>> discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.
>>>
>>> So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".
>>>
>>> Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions
>>> are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for
>>> the site) and then trying again does not help.
>>>
>>> How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?
>>>
>>
>> I found the best solution (best for me) to be with the PrefBar extension
>> from .  I
>> imported into PrefBar the Permissions Menu menulist from
>>  and used it
>> to get the old Cookies Manager.
>>
>> On the Cookie Websites tab, I deleted entries for Web sites that
>> indicate "website can set cookes" and re-entered those sites with the
>> Session button.  If I want to block a Web site completely from setting
>> cookies, I select the Stored Cookies tab on Cookie Manager.  I check the
>> "Don't allow websites that set removed cookies to set future cookies"
>> checkbox and then delete the unwanted cookies.
>>
>> Note that, after the Stored Cookies tab indicates only those cookies I
>> really want to keep, I terminate the Cookie Manager and SeaMonkey.
>> After making sure that everything is terminated, I locate cookies.sqlite
>> in my profile and mark it "read-only".  Web sites might think they are
>> setting persistent cookies but those cookies do not get written to their
>> database when SeaMonkey is terminated.  They all become "session only".
>>
> Thank you, David, for providing your work-arounds, but, if I mark a 
> cookie as "Allow for Session Only", why does SM ignore my wishes and 
> change the cookies setting to "Allow". Do the Devs know better, or 
> something??
> 

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.39

That is not happening for me.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[GerardJan]

GerardJan wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
Lee




I use version: 11.2.202.540

no problems what so ever...

regards,





to be precisely :

File: libflashplayer.so
Path: /home/gerardjan/Downloads/seamonkey-2.39/plugins/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.540
State: Enabled
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202



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Re: AdBlock Plus alternatives in SeaMonkey?

[Ant]

Have you clicked Preferences for the extension in Add-ons Manager and
looked at the Dashboard and Logger?


Yep, they were interesting and confusing too!


Does uBlock Origin have an official online forum? I am still confused on 
how to determine what is being blocked and how to make a filter after 
reading the Wiki. For an example, 
http://www.amc.com/shows/talking-dead/full-episodes/season-06/episode-08/talking-dead-on-start-to-finish 
has a blocked login screen in order to watch this video. I can easily 
try to figure out how what filter(s) to unblock to test and whitelist in 
ABP. :(




I haven't looked at memory usage. Not that interested since I have 8 GB
RAM.


Ha, I have 2-3 GB depending on which box! :P So far, I haven't seen it
go over 512 MB yet. I know with ABP, it can go up to over a GB! :(


OK, I still see SM go crazy with RAM and slow speeds with too many tabs 
going on.


I might have to go back to ABP. :(
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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[NFN Smith]

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe
reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have
Adobe !  THEN it loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM
or have it go there automatically ?


You might try an uninstall/reinstall of Reader.

I don't currently use Adobe, and I haven't seen the behavior recently, 
but I know with both Foxit and PDFXchange, there's installation options 
that allow for the reader being installed, and where you can specify 
calling as the default option for handling .PDF.


If you're playing with PDF readers, you might want to consider a 
non-Adobe tool.


Remember that Adobe's design of Acrobat and PDF is as an 
enterprise-grade document management system. The expectation is that the 
user launches Reader at the beginning of the day, and leaves it open 
(either as a full window, or background, in the System Tray), and is 
interacting frequently with PDF content.  As a result, Reader has a lot 
of plugins -- those chew up a lot of resources (memory and launch time), 
and only a small fraction of those plug-ins are needed for simple 
viewing of PDF content.


If you need something specific that Adobe provides (such as capacity for 
encrypted email, forms handling and data collection, etc.) Reader is a 
great tool.  If all you need is occasionally to read a PDF-formatted 
file, then Reader is overkill, IMHO.


I've found that both Foxit and PDFXchange Viewer are smaller and 
lighter: both are faster, and consume less resources.


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Re: View Post Details

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Richard Alan wrote:


Me wrote:


How to I look at the details of a newsgroup post?
e.g. sender name, email etc ...


Press Control-U to see the complete source of a post. If you only desire
minimal headers, expand them in the area at the top of the message pane.


... by clicking the triangle to the left of "Subject:"

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Lee wrote:

On 11/29/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:

<.. snip bits about flash ..>

+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS
enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.


Thanks for the info.  Blacklisting is what A/V programs do & they
leave much to be desired -- an opinion the Yse Script author shares:
"Unlike NoScript, YesScript does absolutely nothing to improve your
security. "   We differ on "... Firefox is secure enough by default
and that blocking all scripts by default is paranoia. "Maybe he
hasn't read things like
   https://blog.avast.com/2015/08/20/infected-ad-networks-hit-popular-websites/
 This week security researchers discovered booby-trapped
advertisements on popular
 websites including eBay, The Drudge Report, weather.com, and AOL.
The ads, some of
 which can be initiated by a drive-by attack without the user’s
knowledge or even any
 action, infected computers with adware or locked them down with ransomware.


Did not like No Script.


I hear ya - but the alternatives if you do enable JS aren't all that great.

Regards,
Lee

That is why it is a good idea to have an adblocker as well as a 
javascript blocker.  Most of the sites I visit do not cause problems by 
using javascript, but there are a few that do, so I use YesScript, and I 
also have Adblock Plus with 4 subscriptions.


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Re: View Post Details

[EE]

Me wrote:

How to I look at the details of a newsgroup post?
e.g. sender name, email etc ...


Look at the header area.  That is in the headers at the top.

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Re: buttons are painted!

[Rick Merrill]

On 11/28/2015 12:14 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 11/28/2015 11:30 AM, Rick Merrill wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:56 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:36 AM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Sm2.39, win 10 (from win 8), Dell 5000, long time user of seamonkey...

When I first launch Sm the windows appear but the icons of buttons
do not appear until I mouse over them!  What's up with that?

TIA,

Rick


Gremlins! It could also be an extension or theme problem.

Do you use a theme other than the default?

Does the same problem occur in safe mode?



I use "classic" view and "default" theme and extensions are Chatzilla
and DOM Inspector.

Probably residue from Win 8!-)

I never use safe mode :-(




I don't think there would be a need for safe mode with only those two
extensions, since they are bundled with SeaMonkey.




Well, it was not a permanent/consistent solution!  Luckily I remember 
where there buttons were!-)



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Re: Managing Permissions

[Daniel]

On 30/11/2015 3:34 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/29/2015 4:45 AM, A Williams wrote:

I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session"
setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and
discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.

So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".

Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions
are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for
the site) and then trying again does not help.

How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?



I found the best solution (best for me) to be with the PrefBar extension
from .  I
imported into PrefBar the Permissions Menu menulist from
 and used it
to get the old Cookies Manager.

On the Cookie Websites tab, I deleted entries for Web sites that
indicate "website can set cookes" and re-entered those sites with the
Session button.  If I want to block a Web site completely from setting
cookies, I select the Stored Cookies tab on Cookie Manager.  I check the
"Don't allow websites that set removed cookies to set future cookies"
checkbox and then delete the unwanted cookies.

Note that, after the Stored Cookies tab indicates only those cookies I
really want to keep, I terminate the Cookie Manager and SeaMonkey.
After making sure that everything is terminated, I locate cookies.sqlite
in my profile and mark it "read-only".  Web sites might think they are
setting persistent cookies but those cookies do not get written to their
database when SeaMonkey is terminated.  They all become "session only".

Thank you, David, for providing your work-arounds, but, if I mark a 
cookie as "Allow for Session Only", why does SM ignore my wishes and 
change the cookies setting to "Allow". Do the Devs know better, or 
something??


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Lee]

On 11/29/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:
   <.. snip bits about flash ..>
>> +1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
>> JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
>> right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
>> mitigation I've found for enabling JS.
>>
>> Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS
>> enabled?
>
> I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.

Thanks for the info.  Blacklisting is what A/V programs do & they
leave much to be desired -- an opinion the Yse Script author shares:
"Unlike NoScript, YesScript does absolutely nothing to improve your
security. "   We differ on "... Firefox is secure enough by default
and that blocking all scripts by default is paranoia. "Maybe he
hasn't read things like
  https://blog.avast.com/2015/08/20/infected-ad-networks-hit-popular-websites/
This week security researchers discovered booby-trapped
advertisements on popular
websites including eBay, The Drudge Report, weather.com, and AOL.
The ads, some of
which can be initiated by a drive-by attack without the user’s
knowledge or even any
action, infected computers with adware or locked them down with ransomware.

> Did not like No Script.

I hear ya - but the alternatives if you do enable JS aren't all that great.

Regards,
Lee
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