Re: Oh crap

2017-01-23 Thread Alex Beauroy 

On 23/01/2017 23:13, Mozillian wrote:

I just created a large post to another group and tried to send it.
I would not send due to internet connection problems.
So I cancelled it.

BUT the POST was locked so I could NOT edit it.
I did a save draft and te closed the post and it asked if I wanted to
save so I saved.

The draft disappeared !

Where is my saved post !!!

in the Drafts folder of the Local Folder?
Best Regards
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Oh crap

2017-01-23 Thread Mozillian 

I just created a large post to another group and tried to send it.
I would not send due to internet connection problems.
So I cancelled it.

BUT the POST was locked so I could NOT edit it.
I did a save draft and te closed the post and it asked if I wanted to 
save so I saved.


The draft disappeared !

Where is my saved post !!!
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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 20:25:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented
character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents
the text from being formatted:
*Several words with no numbers*
*Several words ending with a number 1*
*1 number and several words*
*Several words ending with punctuation!*
*Several words ending with an accented á*
*==*

It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of
the text, just not at the start or end:
*Several words with 1 number in the middle*
*Several words with an accented á in the middle*
*xx*

Not sure what people want to do with that...


Well done!

And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault.


Particularly as they posted as HTML anyway.


Therefore, it's better to write in HTML .


One could argue that this whole discussion arose precisely because the 
OP *did* post in HTML, with unnecessary formatting on a few lines. If 
the original message started out as plain-text, I don't suppose those 
lines would have been surrounded by "*"s at all!



plain-text with
_*/bold/italic/underline gadget/*_  IS NOT USABLE !


There's not really any need for a mail client to even try formatting * / 
and _ in plain text messages. I think those were originally just a human 
reading convention. You'd see a word or a few words surrounded by those 
characters and understand that the message was intended to be read with 
emphasis on /those/ particular words.


I think mail clients actually attempting to formatting the text as such 
came later. That feature seems to be a a bit hit-and-miss, and it's 
going to be to a certain extent since those characters don't necessarily 
mean the author intended them to be interpreted as formatting at all. 
Perhaps it would save the confusion if the mail client didn't even try 
formatting plain text - just display it as unformatted text and let the 
human get on with interpreting it ;o)


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SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

2017-01-23 Thread Wolf 


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the 
User Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following 
error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
 
-^

Regards,
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SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

2017-01-23 Thread Wolf 


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the 
User Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following 
error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
 
---^

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SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

2017-01-23 Thread Wolf 


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the 
User Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following 
error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
 
-^

Regards,
Wolf


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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Daniel wrote:

On 23/01/2017 1:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the
(*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be
mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about
sofa-cushion change, not real money.


Pick me!! I care!! And what give you the (*&^(*&^ right to require me
to spend some of my meager dollars on bigger HD's and faster
internet connections just so that *you* can feel smug, Paul??


I'm not requiring you to do anything. And it's certainly not because I 
want to feel smug.


My point was that a web designer or an email sender can reasonably 
expect a visitor or reader to have those things because they're so cheap 
and so ubiquitous nowadays. I don't have to write for 4.77 MHz and a 20 
MB HDD (as in my first PC XT) because no one runs those anymore.


I do realize (for example) there is a shrinking minority of XP users, 
but I'm not one who made that choice. If you choose to remain 20 years 
behind the times, that's your choice, not mine, and you have to live 
with the consequences of your choice. If you don't like them, make 
another choice. It's all up to you.



One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not
soon!!


Up to you. Not my fault, not my problem. Even in the U.S., reasonably 
priced broadband is not hard to find. In more advanced nations like 
South Korea, the entry level is what we call high-speed broadband. 
Everyone can play high-def video on their smartphones.


One thing you can do -- as I do -- is to delete messages you will never 
need to read again. I could probably afford to keep every message I've 
ever sent or received, but in practice only 5-10% are ever going to be 
useful. I have email archives going back 20 years, and my SM profile 
takes up 5 GB, but if it were 6 GB or even 10 GB it wouldn't cost me a 
penny more. A couple of KB here or there (six orders of magnitude less) 
really doesn't make a difference.


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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Ed Mullen 
On 1/22/2017 at 9:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Felix Miata wrote:


Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in
decades.  And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get
the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings,
resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings
and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender.


Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and
smart senders should learn to use HTML well.

By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according
to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18
pt or whatever floats your boat.


2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of
words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list
being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is
embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message
that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.


In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^
cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or
logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not
real money.



Well said!

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Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Ray_Net 

Bret Busby wrote on 23-01-17 15:49:

Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as
the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bret Busby 
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting
To: Daniel 

On 23/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:



One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!!

--
Daniel


Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there.

The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down,
in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means,
amongst other things, that the emergency services will be
incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will
have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide
for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services,
going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone
access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote
community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is
like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable
prayer book.


We have the same problem and more important, during an electricity 
failure the cellphones servers will be also down...

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Re: Stealth Ad Blocker

2017-01-23 Thread NFN Smith 

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I'm getting tired of all of these sites that refuse to display their
contents until I disable my Ad Blocker(s).  Does anyone know of a
"Stealth" Ad Blocker that blocks ads, but can't be detected by the
websites?  Something that signals to the server that the ad was
displayed but in reality was thrown into a bit bucket?  Surely SOMEONE
has come up with something like that by now?



Consider adding the NoScript extension. The way any particular site is 
able to tell whether you have an ad blocker running or not is via 
scripting.  If the script can't run, then it can't check to see if you 
have an ad blocker running, and it can't complain about your ad blocker.


On my own use of NoScript, I use it fairly aggressively, where the 
default for scripts is that they have to ask permission to run. There 
are a handful of sites and scripting hosts that I trust sufficiently to 
permanently whitelist, but for the majority of scripting hosts 
(especially ones that I don't visit frequently), they get temporary 
whitelisting, only if I need them to get to the content that I want. 
Among other things, I don't even permanently whitelist google, and 
GoogleAnalytics gets enabled, only if it's essential. In the same way, I 
have FaceBook permanently blacklisted, and I never enable -- I don't use 
FaceBook, and I don't see any reason for non-FB sites to be running FB 
scripts.


The one trade-off is that some sites are script-heavy enough (and 
interdependency of scripts) that it may take multiple go-arounds of 
mass-enabling of scripting hosts to get to certain content.  But it 
happens infrequently enough for me, that I can live with it.


Smith

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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Bret Busby 
On 23/01/2017, Bret Busby  wrote:
> Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as
> the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Bret Busby 
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800
> Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting
> To: Daniel 
>
> On 23/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:
> 
>
>>
>> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not
>> soon!!
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>>
>
> Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there.
>
> The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down,
> in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means,
> amongst other things, that the emergency services will be
> incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will
> have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide
> for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services,
> going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone
> access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote
> community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is
> like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable
> prayer book.
>

Oh, and, because this is a country where households get punished for
having and using domestic rooftop photovoltaic systems (Australia has
yet to progress out of the coal-fired steam age), we are prohibited
from having and using battery storage systems, that could otherwise
help protect us from the all-too frequent electricity blackouts due to
malevolent and incompetent electricity companies.

-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
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 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
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 published by Pan Books, 1992


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Fwd: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Bret Busby 
Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as
the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bret Busby 
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting
To: Daniel 

On 23/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:


>
> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!!
>
> --
> Daniel
>

Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there.

The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down,
in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means,
amongst other things, that the emergency services will be
incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will
have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide
for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services,
going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone
access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote
community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is
like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable
prayer book.


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992





-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Daniel 

On 23/01/2017 1:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:


Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in
decades.  And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get
the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings,
resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings
and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender.


Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and
smart senders should learn to use HTML well.

By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according
to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18
pt or whatever floats your boat.


2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of
words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list
being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is
embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message
that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.


In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^
cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or
logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not
real money.

Pick me!! I care!! And what give you the (*&^(*&^ right to require me to 
spend some of my meager dollars on bigger HD's and faster internet 
connections just so that *you* can feel smug, Paul??


One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!!

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SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

2017-01-23 Thread Daniel 

On 23/01/2017 1:37 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 8:05 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash
drive, and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the
flash drive


As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by
label" etc. WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives
it has discovered. I see no way automatically associate a
particular drive letter with a particular flash drive
absolutely.


Hmm, I hadn't considered that myself, so just as well mbourne new the 
solution!



It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to specific
drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it should be
similar on XP: - From Control Panel in Classic view, open
Administrative Tools then Computer Management. - In the left-hand
pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management". - Right-click the
drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change Driver Letter and
Paths". - Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll
minimise the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same
letter to another removable drive. Then each time you insert that
drive, it should always get the same letter.


As Sgt. Schultz might say "InterestingVERY interesting". I've
been a Windows user since the days of 3.1 and never came across
that. Thank you.


I was going to type "You're showing your age, Richard.", but then Hogans 
Hero's is still being shown on T.V. here so you might be only 
twenty-something!! ;-P



Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed
on!



Who? Me? 


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

2017-01-23 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 1/22/2017 9:33 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


[stuck with USB2 at the moment].

 with an aspect of  My view of a "minimalist network"
is evidently not socially acceptable to the current generation. I
have two laptops with compatible Ethernet hardware. I wish to define
my "network" as having exactly 3 physical components --{ 2 computers
+ 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}


I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.


'Twas


How does that fit with "1 Ethernet patch cable"?
  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on
each end.


Trimming can be good.
Thou trimmest context.
quod vide
id est Reductio ad absurdum


Is that what you are referring to?

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Re: Plain-text formatting

2017-01-23 Thread Ray_Net 

Felix Miata wrote on 23-01-17 07:34:

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-22 21:55 (UTC-0500):

Felix Miata wrote:


Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in
decades.  And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get
the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings,
resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings
and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender.


Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and
smart senders should learn to use HTML well.


Few email senders are smart enough to know they use HTML email. The 
email apps by default make it happen and they don't have any clue.



By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according
to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18
pt or whatever floats your boat.


Same problem. The defaults unusually get changed. My defaults are 
optimally set for when they don't manage to somehow get overridden by 
rude incoming, as almost always occurs when viewing of email is not 
set to plain text only.



2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of
words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list
being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is
embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message
that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.



In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^
cares about a couple of extra kilobytes?
That "who cares" attitude is a too common problem among baby-boomers 
and younger. Needless waste is nearly always to them an acceptable 
standard. Fill up the landfills, real and electronic, devour natural 
resources, and let others, including younger generations, pay the price.



It may be mathematically or
logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not
real money.


Not everyone has an email device only a few generations old or newer, 
or ample storage, or the extra backup time or media to spare on 
wastefulness, or broadband connectivity to hide the inefficiency of 
marking up a message with a non-zero quantity of bytes that add 
nothing to the communication.

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