Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[WaltS48]

On 8/25/17 12:55 PM, null wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-08-22 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


HTML5 is not a media player. It's a language used for writing 
webpages. The new HTML standard (number 5) allows browsers to play 
video without the need for a third-party plugin, like Flash, similar 
to how you don't need a plugin to view images. For more info, this 
video does a good job explaining it 
.


Since that video was published, Adobe has announced plans to kill Flash.

As others have pointed out, the reason why you're having trouble with 
HTML5 videos is because modern web browsers require something later 
than Windows XP for HTML5 videos.


Glad you said that HTML5 is not a media player. I never thought there 
really was an HTML5 player. I only cited it in my original post because 
people keep using the term as if there was!


There are many video players that one can install on the HD, but there 
is nothing called the HTML Player. Wish Youtube and various people who 
write about these things would stop talking as though there was!!


For instance, just found a Youtube video that I can't play, says my 
browser (SM) does not recognize any of the video formats available. When 
I click on the link proved in the message to get info about HTML5 video, 
I get a Youtube help page that says "You can request that the HTML5 
player be used if your browser doesn't use it by default" That 
nonsensical statements implies 1) that something called the HTML Player 
exists - it doesn't - and 2) fails to explain exactly how I can 
"request" that the HTML player be used! Further down, there is another 
reference to "The HTML5 player." These statements referring to "the HTML 
player" are to me completely meaningless - I have no idea what they are 
supposed to mean - yet they are put there by Youtube as if what is said 
is quite clear. The page also says that my SM browser does support 
HTMLVideoElement, Media Source Extensions, and MSE & WebM VP9, but does 
not support H.264 or MSE & H.264. So what, exactly, are the implications 
of this information? I don't know, and Youtube doesn't say.





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Re: What happened to Adrian Kalla's pages?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383642

EE wrote:
I checked https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/, 
and I get a "Not Found" error.  What happened to his builds?  Was he kicked 
off the site, or has he given up, or what?

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What happened to Adrian Kalla's pages?

[EE]

I checked 
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/, and I 
get a "Not Found" error.  What happened to his builds?  Was he kicked 
off the site, or has he given up, or what?

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[null]

NFN Smith wrote:

null wrote:

Thanks for above links, which are very helpful. I would post some 
URLs for videos I can't play, but an odd thing is happening. Some 
videos that wouldn't play now will play, and some that would now 
won't, so I'm going to poke around on  this a bit more with Youtube 
and see if I can pin  > down some stable examples.


If you're having that kind of behavior, you might want to create a 
separate profile, and see what happens when you're running from all 
default settings.  It may be that the problems you're having are not 
so much "Seamonkey" or even "mozilla" (especially if you can get the 
expected behavior from another browser), as it is conflicts that are 
related to your user profile in Seamonkey.


My experience is that inconsistent behavior from specific sites is 
often something that's profile-specific.


You could also try seeing what happens when you try Safe Mode (Help -> 
Restart with Add-ons disabled).


Smith

Thanks for the suggestions but just tried a new profile and it made no 
difference. Also tried with add-ons disabled, but again no difference

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[NFN Smith]

null wrote:

Thanks for above links, which are very helpful. I would post some URLs 
for videos I can't play, but an odd thing is happening. Some videos that 
wouldn't play now will play, and some that would now won't, so I'm going 
to poke around on  this a bit more with Youtube and see if I can pin  > down some stable examples.


If you're having that kind of behavior, you might want to create a 
separate profile, and see what happens when you're running from all 
default settings.  It may be that the problems you're having are not so 
much "Seamonkey" or even "mozilla" (especially if you can get the 
expected behavior from another browser), as it is conflicts that are 
related to your user profile in Seamonkey.


My experience is that inconsistent behavior from specific sites is often 
something that's profile-specific.


You could also try seeing what happens when you try Safe Mode (Help -> 
Restart with Add-ons disabled).


Smith

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[null]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-08-22 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


HTML5 is not a media player. It's a language used for writing 
webpages. The new HTML standard (number 5) allows browsers to play 
video without the need for a third-party plugin, like Flash, similar 
to how you don't need a plugin to view images. For more info, this 
video does a good job explaining it 
.


Since that video was published, Adobe has announced plans to kill Flash.

As others have pointed out, the reason why you're having trouble with 
HTML5 videos is because modern web browsers require something later 
than Windows XP for HTML5 videos.


Glad you said that HTML5 is not a media player. I never thought there 
really was an HTML5 player. I only cited it in my original post because 
people keep using the term as if there was!


There are many video players that one can install on the HD, but there 
is nothing called the HTML Player. Wish Youtube and various people who 
write about these things would stop talking as though there was!!


For instance, just found a Youtube video that I can't play, says my 
browser (SM) does not recognize any of the video formats available. When 
I click on the link proved in the message to get info about HTML5 video, 
I get a Youtube help page that says "You can request that the HTML5 
player be used if your browser doesn't use it by default" That 
nonsensical statements implies 1) that something called the HTML Player 
exists - it doesn't - and 2) fails to explain exactly how I can 
"request" that the HTML player be used! Further down, there is another 
reference to "The HTML5 player." These statements referring to "the HTML 
player" are to me completely meaningless - I have no idea what they are 
supposed to mean - yet they are put there by Youtube as if what is said 
is quite clear. The page also says that my SM browser does support 
HTMLVideoElement, Media Source Extensions, and MSE & WebM VP9, but does 
not support H.264 or MSE & H.264. So what, exactly, are the implications 
of this information? I don't know, and Youtube doesn't say.


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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[null]

TCW wrote:

On 8/22/2017 6:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either 
SM or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not 
play in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does 
not currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click 
here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing 
and inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or 
what I need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML 
player . . . whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Agreeing with Frank on the XP thing. If you're on XP, best bet is to 
*try* K-Lite Basic. Otherwise, . 2017 tech doesn't work on a 
15+ year old OS.


Chrome 49 isn't FF 52.3.0. Who knows what tricks they used back in 
v49.0. You're running insecure apps my friend. If you insist on 
running a depreciated OS, at least do the POS2009 hack for XP to keep 
yourself safe for a few more years.
Well, unless you buy me W10 and a computer it will actually run on, I 
think I'm going to have to use XP and my old hardware for a while yet, 
'cos some of us have less money than others . . . .. :-(


I know about POS2009, but don't see it as a viable option for a number 
of reasons. However,thanks for the thought.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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Mason83 wrote:

On 22/08/2017 13:17, null wrote:


There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.

Flash is on the way out (December 2020).
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/07/25/adobe-retires-flash-in-december-2020/

Webm is a video format using only free audio/video codecs
(On2 VP8, Vorbis, Opus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM

HTML5 is a family of technologies, one of which is the video element.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video

In particular, you'll want to read carefully
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Free_formats

The problem is patents, and companies owning these
patents. Specifically H.264 and MPEG-LA.
(Although Cisco did provide a royalty-free H.264
decoder, if I am not mistaken...)
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/

AV1 will set us all free!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1
Alliance for Open Media Video 1


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM
or FF.

For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play
in SM 2.46.

Please provide an URL (or several) of such videos.
I'm willing to bet that they work on most SM setups.

Regards.
Thanks for above links, which are very helpful. I would post some URLs 
for videos I can't play, but an odd thing is happening. Some videos that 
wouldn't play now will play, and some that would now won't, so I'm going 
to poke around on  this a bit more with Youtube and see if I can pin 
down some stable examples.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Steve Dunn wrote:


On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:


Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which may
be the problem.  There are numerous codecs
(COmpressors-DECompressors) for video, much like there are for audio,
and you need to have at least one in common with whatever codecs the
site you're visiting supports.

...

My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has checkmarks
in all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on Youtube.
That does lend credence to the theory that it's because you're
missing H.264.

Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


My 32-bit SeaMonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 Pro SP1 also has 
check marks in all the boxes, but not because I ever installed K-Lite. 
This thread is the first I've heard of it.


However, I do have the VLC player installed, as well as Adobe Flash 
and Shockwave, so maybe one of those provided the required code. In 
its advanced preferences, VLC lists H264 under "demuxers," FWIW.


Yup, have had VLC, flash, shockwave installed for a long time. Doesn't 
make any difference.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which 
may be the problem.  There are numerous codecs 
(COmpressors-DECompressors) for video, much like there are for audio, 
and you need to have at least one in common with whatever codecs the 
site you're visiting supports.


To put it in a non-technical analogy, HTML5 support is like the 
Roman alphabet and the codecs (VP8, VP9, H.264, etc.) are like 
languages.  If I know the Roman alphabet and two languages that use it 
(say, English and French) but the site only has videos in two other 
languages that also use the Roman alphabet (say, Swedish and 
Romanian), well, that won't work.


My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has 
checkmarks in all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on 
Youtube.  That does lend credence to the theory that it's because 
you're missing H.264.


Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I 
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


-Steve
Yes, I know what you mean in your analogy with the Roman alphabet. 
However, I've had h.264 available for a long time. Have used k-lite in 
the past, and have just installed it again, but nothing changes. Sigh.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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TCW wrote:

On 8/22/2017 9:20 AM, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/22/17 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in 
either SM or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not 
play in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does 
not currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click 
here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is 
confusing and inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have 
to do or what I need in order to play video that apparently wants 
the HTML player . . . whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others 
won't.


What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You could also try installing K-Lite Codec pack basic.
Yeah, I've used K-Lite before. Have just installed it again, but it 
makes no difference.

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Re: How to disable HTML5 auto play?

[Hawker]

On 8/24/2017 11:31 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/24/2017 7:35 AM, Hawker wrote:

On 8/17/2017 1:49 PM, EE wrote:


[snipped]


Is there a button in the customize window?  There should be one that you
can place on a toolbar and click it to toggle autoplay.



Customize window? I can't find that? Button, no.
How do I get there? Is this a theme issue? Google tells me there should
be something in the view pull down but I don't see it. I'm using SM
Modern Theme.



To get the Customize Toolbar window, place your cursor over an unused
portion of either your menu bar or tool bar, right-click, and select
Customize.

I just did that; and there is no Autoplay or similar button, even with
the Toolbar Buttons extension installed.  At the Toolbar Buttons Web
site, the list of additional button at

has a Movies button that can be downloaded and then moved onto your tool
bar or menu bar.  The brief description of Movies is "Stop movies from
loading".

NOTE WELL:  The use of extensions to obtain capabilities will end with
the implementation of Webextensions.



Thanx that worked. The button I was looking for was there. Interesting 
that installing the extensions didn't put it there. All the other 
extensions I have used made their own button.

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Re: How to disable HTML5 auto play?

[Hawker]

On 8/24/2017 11:31 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/24/2017 7:35 AM, Hawker wrote:

On 8/17/2017 1:49 PM, EE wrote:


[snipped]


Is there a button in the customize window?  There should be one that you
can place on a toolbar and click it to toggle autoplay.



Customize window? I can't find that? Button, no.
How do I get there? Is this a theme issue? Google tells me there should
be something in the view pull down but I don't see it. I'm using SM
Modern Theme.



To get the Customize Toolbar window, place your cursor over an unused
portion of either your menu bar or tool bar, right-click, and select
Customize.

I just did that; and there is no Autoplay or similar button, even with
the Toolbar Buttons extension installed.  At the Toolbar Buttons Web
site, the list of additional button at

has a Movies button that can be downloaded and then moved onto your tool
bar or menu bar.  The brief description of Movies is "Stop movies from
loading".

NOTE WELL:  The use of extensions to obtain capabilities will end with
the implementation of Webextensions.



Thanx that worked. The button I was looking for was there. Interesting 
that installing the extensions didn't put it there. All the other 
extensions I have used made their own button.

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