Re: Disable Help Screen?

[Daniel]

Tom Pamin wrote on 24/03/18 23:36:

Daniel wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 24/03/18 08:31:

Ray_Net wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 23-03-18 12:33:

Is there a way to disable the SM Help Window? It's popping up at times
I don't need it.

I never seen the help-window poping-up ... perhaps, you have
inadvertently pressed the F1 key ?


It pops up every time my PC wakes from sleep. No one can help me so far.


When you wake your computer, what keys do you press??


I just move my mouse.


So not likely you are left- or right-clicking to bring up a Help screen.

O.K., sorry!

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/24/2018 7:27 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus,
so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops.
The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from
the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so
I don't know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop
still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


To get back to the original question.

If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus
menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux
SeaMonkey.


This is what should happen, so you can turn it back on if you change
your mind later. The app is running, but it's disabled so it's not doing
anything, just sitting there waiting for the order to get back in the game.


That is only true if you use AdBlock Plus's option to disable it.  If
you use the Add-ons Manager to disable AdBlock Plus, however, it
disappears from the Tools pull-down menu and can be enabled only through
the Add-ons Manager.


Sure, but read the paragraph I replied to.

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[David E. Ross]

On 3/24/2018 7:27 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
>>> I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, 
>>> so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. 
>>> The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from 
>>> the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so 
>>> I don't know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop 
>>> still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?
>>
>> To get back to the original question.
>>
>> If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus 
>> menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux 
>> SeaMonkey.
> 
> This is what should happen, so you can turn it back on if you change 
> your mind later. The app is running, but it's disabled so it's not doing 
> anything, just sitting there waiting for the order to get back in the game.
> 

That is only true if you use AdBlock Plus's option to disable it.  If
you use the Add-ons Manager to disable AdBlock Plus, however, it
disappears from the Tools pull-down menu and can be enabled only through
the Add-ons Manager.

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, 
so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. 
The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from 
the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so 
I don't know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop 
still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


To get back to the original question.

If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus 
menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux 
SeaMonkey.


This is what should happen, so you can turn it back on if you change 
your mind later. The app is running, but it's disabled so it's not doing 
anything, just sitting there waiting for the order to get back in the game.


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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[WaltS48]

On 3/24/18 8:44 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
Except on my Win 7 PC, I disabled Adblock, and it still appears under 
Tools.



Using Tools > Add-ons Manager?



David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/24/2018 5:14 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock 
Plus, so
I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. 
The

laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from the SM
Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so I 
don't

know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop still
shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


To get back to the original question.

If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus
menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux
SeaMonkey.

If I use Tools > Add-ons Manager, and disable the extension there, the
Adblock Plus menu item does not appear under Tools in both my 
Windows 10

and Linux SeaMonkey.



Disabling from the Add-ons Manager makes Adblock Plus completely
unavailable until you again use the Add-ons Manager, this time to enable
it.  However, you can select the Adblock Plus option to put the
extension's icon in the SeaMonkey status bar.  Then, you can much more
easily toggle between disable and enable.

Furthermore, you can select that status bar icon while on a Web page and
select whether to whitelist that page or the page's entire domain.  That
leaves Adblock Plus still active for other Web sites.





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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Tom Pamin]

Except on my Win 7 PC, I disabled Adblock, and it still appears under Tools.

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/24/2018 5:14 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, so
I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. The
laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from the SM
Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so I don't
know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop still
shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


To get back to the original question.

If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus
menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux
SeaMonkey.

If I use Tools > Add-ons Manager, and disable the extension there, the
Adblock Plus menu item does not appear under Tools in both my Windows 10
and Linux SeaMonkey.



Disabling from the Add-ons Manager makes Adblock Plus completely
unavailable until you again use the Add-ons Manager, this time to enable
it.  However, you can select the Adblock Plus option to put the
extension's icon in the SeaMonkey status bar.  Then, you can much more
easily toggle between disable and enable.

Furthermore, you can select that status bar icon while on a Web page and
select whether to whitelist that page or the page's entire domain.  That
leaves Adblock Plus still active for other Web sites.



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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[David E. Ross]

On 3/24/2018 5:14 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
>> I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, so 
>> I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. The 
>> laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from the SM 
>> Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so I don't 
>> know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop still 
>> shows Adblock Plus under Tools?
> 
> To get back to the original question.
> 
> If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus 
> menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux 
> SeaMonkey.
> 
> If I use Tools > Add-ons Manager, and disable the extension there, the 
> Adblock Plus menu item does not appear under Tools in both my Windows 10 
> and Linux SeaMonkey.
> 

Disabling from the Add-ons Manager makes Adblock Plus completely
unavailable until you again use the Add-ons Manager, this time to enable
it.  However, you can select the Adblock Plus option to put the
extension's icon in the SeaMonkey status bar.  Then, you can much more
easily toggle between disable and enable.

Furthermore, you can select that status bar icon while on a Web page and
select whether to whitelist that page or the page's entire domain.  That
leaves Adblock Plus still active for other Web sites.

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[WaltS48]

On 03/24/2018 03:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, so 
I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. The 
laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from the SM 
Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so I don't 
know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop still 
shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


To get back to the original question.

If I use Tools > Adblock Plus > Disable everywhere. The Adblock Plus 
menu item still appears under Tools in both my Windows 10 and Linux 
SeaMonkey.


If I use Tools > Add-ons Manager, and disable the extension there, the 
Adblock Plus menu item does not appear under Tools in both my Windows 10 
and Linux SeaMonkey.

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ray_Net wrote:

Perhaps they put a cookie when the first time adblock was enabled ... and they 
maintain
that cookie forever.


Perhaps they set an Evercookie.
https://samy.pl/evercookie/




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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Perhaps they put a cookie when the first time adblock was enabled ... 
and they maintain that cookie forever.


No website is entitled to permanent storage on my computer. I clear 
cookies regularly, including automatic deletion of personal data every 
time SM shuts down.


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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Ray_Net]

Perhaps they put a cookie when the first time adblock was enabled ... 
and they maintain that cookie forever.


Tom Pamin wrote on 24-03-18 22:33:
Yes, a lot of sites don't work even if you disable Adblock on their 
site. They just don't recognize you've disabled it.


WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/24/18 4:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 3/24/18 3:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock
Plus, so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7
laptops. The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has
disappeared from the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not
disappear on my desktop, so I don't know if it's still active or
not. Anyone know why the desktop still shows Adblock Plus under 
Tools?


You should be given the option by the site to be able to continue
with the ad blocker enabled.


Yeah, well, not all sites behave as we wish they would. So the user
has to decide if the content is valuable enough to put up with the ads.


Need links to test.





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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Tom Pamin]

Yes, a lot of sites don't work even if you disable Adblock on their 
site. They just don't recognize you've disabled it.


WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/24/18 4:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 3/24/18 3:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock
Plus, so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7
laptops. The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has
disappeared from the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not
disappear on my desktop, so I don't know if it's still active or
not. Anyone know why the desktop still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


You should be given the option by the site to be able to continue
with the ad blocker enabled.


Yeah, well, not all sites behave as we wish they would. So the user
has to decide if the content is valuable enough to put up with the ads.


Need links to test.



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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[WaltS48]

On 3/24/18 4:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 3/24/18 3:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock 
Plus, so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 
laptops. The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has 
disappeared from the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not 
disappear on my desktop, so I don't know if it's still active or 
not. Anyone know why the desktop still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


You should be given the option by the site to be able to continue 
with the ad blocker enabled.


Yeah, well, not all sites behave as we wish they would. So the user 
has to decide if the content is valuable enough to put up with the ads.



Need links to test.

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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:


On 3/24/18 3:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, 
so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. 
The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from 
the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so 
I don't know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop 
still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


You should be given the option by the site to be able to continue with 
the ad blocker enabled.


Yeah, well, not all sites behave as we wish they would. So the user has 
to decide if the content is valuable enough to put up with the ads.


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Re: Adblock Plus Issue

[WaltS48]

On 3/24/18 3:38 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:
I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, 
so I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. 
The laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from 
the SM Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so 
I don't know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop 
still shows Adblock Plus under Tools?


You should be given the option by the site to be able to continue with 
the ad blocker enabled.


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Adblock Plus Issue

[Tom Pamin]

I grew tired of so many web pages asking me to turn off Adblock Plus, so 
I disabled the SM extension on my Win 10 desktop and Win 7 laptops. The 
laptops seem OK, as the Adblock Plus title has disappeared from the SM 
Tools dropdown list. But it did not disappear on my desktop, so I don't 
know if it's still active or not. Anyone know why the desktop still 
shows Adblock Plus under Tools?

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Re: Disable Help Screen?

[Tom Pamin]

I shut down my PC, and thus SM, every day. I noticed that IE uses F1 
also for help, and its help window pops up awaking from sleep also when 
IE is open. I'm trying a new keyboard on Sunday.


NFN Smith wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 23-03-18 12:33:

Is there a way to disable the SM Help Window? It's popping up at times
I don't need it.

I never seen the help-window poping-up ... perhaps, you have
inadvertently pressed the F1 key ?


It pops up every time my PC wakes from sleep. No one can help me so far.



It sounds like you keep Seamonkey open all the time. When is the last
time you restarted Seamonkey?  How long has it been since you last
restarted your computer (i.e., how many times have you put it to sleep,
since the last restart?)

I'm inclined to believe that there's some sort of stray signal coming
from Windows that's triggering the pop-up.

I suggest a simple restart of Seamonkey. If you're still seeing issues,
then a cold restart of the computer.

It looks like you're using Windows 10, and if you are, a simple restart
is sufficient.  For Windows 7, you want to do a full power-off shut down.

Since Windows 8, Microsoft has tweaked Windows so that initiating
"shutdown" actually hibernates the computer, where there's some power in
the circuitry. Initiating "restart" will do a shutdown of the computer,
although a restart will happen quickly enough that there isn't time for
the power to be completely drained from the system.  There's a tweak
that you can make in Windows to force the more traditional handling of
sleep/hibernate/shutdown, although I won't try to describe here.

In any case, I think the problem is simply that Windows needs a restart.

Smith


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Re: Disable Help Screen?

[NFN Smith]

Thomas Pamin wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 23-03-18 12:33:

Is there a way to disable the SM Help Window? It's popping up at times
I don't need it.

I never seen the help-window poping-up ... perhaps, you have
inadvertently pressed the F1 key ?


It pops up every time my PC wakes from sleep. No one can help me so far.



It sounds like you keep Seamonkey open all the time. When is the last 
time you restarted Seamonkey?  How long has it been since you last 
restarted your computer (i.e., how many times have you put it to sleep, 
since the last restart?)


I'm inclined to believe that there's some sort of stray signal coming 
from Windows that's triggering the pop-up.


I suggest a simple restart of Seamonkey. If you're still seeing issues, 
then a cold restart of the computer.


It looks like you're using Windows 10, and if you are, a simple restart 
is sufficient.  For Windows 7, you want to do a full power-off shut down.


Since Windows 8, Microsoft has tweaked Windows so that initiating 
"shutdown" actually hibernates the computer, where there's some power in 
the circuitry. Initiating "restart" will do a shutdown of the computer, 
although a restart will happen quickly enough that there isn't time for 
the power to be completely drained from the system.  There's a tweak 
that you can make in Windows to force the more traditional handling of 
sleep/hibernate/shutdown, although I won't try to describe here.


In any case, I think the problem is simply that Windows needs a restart.

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Re: Disable Help Screen?

[Tom Pamin]

Daniel wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 24/03/18 08:31:

Ray_Net wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 23-03-18 12:33:

Is there a way to disable the SM Help Window? It's popping up at times
I don't need it.

I never seen the help-window poping-up ... perhaps, you have
inadvertently pressed the F1 key ?


It pops up every time my PC wakes from sleep. No one can help me so far.


When you wake your computer, what keys do you press??


I just move my mouse.
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Re: Disable Help Screen?

[Daniel]

Thomas Pamin wrote on 24/03/18 08:31:

Ray_Net wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote on 23-03-18 12:33:

Is there a way to disable the SM Help Window? It's popping up at times
I don't need it.

I never seen the help-window poping-up ... perhaps, you have
inadvertently pressed the F1 key ?


It pops up every time my PC wakes from sleep. No one can help me so far.


When you wake your computer, what keys do you press??

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