Re: [ SOLVED ] Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[WaltS48]

On 4/26/19 7:20 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 27-04-19 00:03:

On 4/26/19 5:51 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 26-04-19 19:30:

Ray_Net wrote:

You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the 
text-color (changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color 
is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a 
search for 99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable 
with "user set" string at "#99"


Uh, how is "#99" gray? Looks blue to me.


YES, You are true. I remember now that I change the text I wrote to 
blue.

So this is not my problem.
Therefore the problem is still open.
How to avoid the lighter font the signature ? I prefer a solid black.
With text in blue and signature in black THIS indicate also to the 
recipient that it is a signature and not part of the message.


How do you know what the recipient's Display settings are?

Just because it looks pretty to you in the Composition window, doesn't 
mean the recipient will see it that way.


My signature text is black by default when composing a message like 
this one. Lighter when I view it.



I just discovered the solution for my request:
I have inserted in my HTML signature after the  first ""  part a 
style tag as you can see in the beginning of my HTML signature file:




     

   
   
     

<< rest of the html page >>

And the signature is not Lighter anymore.

I have found this info on this web page:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signature_display_color


Great! But I don't see a signature in your post so can't tell if I would 
see it in black or lighter.


What do I do if it is black and annoys me because I want to see it lighter?

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[ SOLVED ] Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 27-04-19 00:03:

On 4/26/19 5:51 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 26-04-19 19:30:

Ray_Net wrote:

You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the 
text-color (changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color 
is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a 
search for 99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable 
with "user set" string at "#99"


Uh, how is "#99" gray? Looks blue to me.


YES, You are true. I remember now that I change the text I wrote to 
blue.

So this is not my problem.
Therefore the problem is still open.
How to avoid the lighter font the signature ? I prefer a solid black.
With text in blue and signature in black THIS indicate also to the 
recipient that it is a signature and not part of the message.


How do you know what the recipient's Display settings are?

Just because it looks pretty to you in the Composition window, doesn't 
mean the recipient will see it that way.


My signature text is black by default when composing a message like 
this one. Lighter when I view it.



I just discovered the solution for my request:
I have inserted in my HTML signature after the  first ""  part a 
style tag as you can see in the beginning of my HTML signature file:




    

  
  
    

<< rest of the html page >>

And the signature is not Lighter anymore.

I have found this info on this web page:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signature_display_color
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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[WaltS48]

On 4/26/19 5:51 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 26-04-19 19:30:

Ray_Net wrote:

You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the 
text-color (changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color 
is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a search 
for 99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable with 
"user set" string at "#99"


Uh, how is "#99" gray? Looks blue to me.



YES, You are true. I remember now that I change the text I wrote to blue.
So this is not my problem.
Therefore the problem is still open.
How to avoid the lighter font the signature ? I prefer a solid black.
With text in blue and signature in black THIS indicate also to the 
recipient that it is a signature and not part of the message.


How do you know what the recipient's Display settings are?

Just because it looks pretty to you in the Composition window, doesn't 
mean the recipient will see it that way.


My signature text is black by default when composing a message like this 
one. Lighter when I view it.


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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 26-04-19 19:30:

Ray_Net wrote:

You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the 
text-color (changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color 
is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a search 
for 99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable with 
"user set" string at "#99"


Uh, how is "#99" gray? Looks blue to me.



YES, You are true. I remember now that I change the text I wrote to blue.
So this is not my problem.
Therefore the problem is still open.
How to avoid the lighter font the signature ? I prefer a solid black.
With text in blue and signature in black THIS indicate also to the 
recipient that it is a signature and not part of the message.

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

[WaltS48]

On 4/26/19 2:36 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

Daniel wrote:
Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to 
sniff SM's UA correctly.


Ant, years ago, it was suggested that a better solution would be if, 
rather then sniffing for "Firefox", 'They' sniffed for "Gecko" which 
is/was used in the User Agent of Firefox, SeaMonkey, and a few other 
browsers as well.


Didn't happen. Isn't going to happen! Unfortunately!!


http://geckoisgecko.org/ is still out there, but badly outdated.

Unfortunately, most web site owners don't care if they're doing sniffing 
badly -- most of what's out there fits into *their* perceptions of how 
things are being done, and it's easy to dismiss outliers that don't fit 
those perceptions (or what they see in their logs).


For better or worse, Google Chrome is the de facto standard (especially 
with most of the alternatives, including Safari, Opera, and soon to 
come, Edge) all running on the Blink rendering engine.  Even for Firefox 
proper, the usage share is low enough that many developers can get away 
with living in Chrome, developing for Chrome, and not really caring 
about anything else.


Smith


They should develop for the W3C web standards, which Google, Microsoft, 
Apple, Mozilla and others are members of the consortium. No?






So the site decided to no longer support Firefox 52 ESR which they have 
the right to do considering it is outdated.


Can you access it using Firefox 52 ESR, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58 or 59, 
older versions of IE, Chrome and Safari?


Removing the check mark for "Advertise Firefox Compatibility" fixes the 
problem for me in SM 2.49.4.


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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

[NFN Smith]

Daniel wrote:
Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to 
sniff SM's UA correctly.


Ant, years ago, it was suggested that a better solution would be if, 
rather then sniffing for "Firefox", 'They' sniffed for "Gecko" which 
is/was used in the User Agent of Firefox, SeaMonkey, and a few other 
browsers as well.


Didn't happen. Isn't going to happen! Unfortunately!!


http://geckoisgecko.org/ is still out there, but badly outdated.

Unfortunately, most web site owners don't care if they're doing sniffing 
badly -- most of what's out there fits into *their* perceptions of how 
things are being done, and it's easy to dismiss outliers that don't fit 
those perceptions (or what they see in their logs).


For better or worse, Google Chrome is the de facto standard (especially 
with most of the alternatives, including Safari, Opera, and soon to 
come, Edge) all running on the Blink rendering engine.  Even for Firefox 
proper, the usage share is low enough that many developers can get away 
with living in Chrome, developing for Chrome, and not really caring 
about anything else.


Smith
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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the text-color 
(changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a search for 
99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable with "user set" 
string at "#99"


Uh, how is "#99" gray? Looks blue to me.


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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[WaltS48]

On 4/26/19 12:10 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 26-04-19 16:05:

On 4/26/19 9:15 AM, Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 26/04/2019 5:08 PM:


Normally I compose mail in HTML format.

All goes well except that the HTML signature:

beginning with:



  is modified this way:

   

HOW to avoid this modification ?

Hmm!! I just checked and I, apparently, don't have the word 'body' 
anywhere in my about:config file, so no pref for 'body text'!!


Is this because I don't compose in HTML??



I don't think you would find it in about:config even if you did 
compose in HTML.


It is probably provided by the Composition component of the MailNews 
Core product. I could be wrong.


 



You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the text-color 
(changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a search for 
99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable with "user set" 
string at "#99"


You do know the lighter font is used to indicate to the recipient that 
it is a signature and not part of the message.


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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 26-04-19 16:05:

On 4/26/19 9:15 AM, Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 26/04/2019 5:08 PM:


Normally I compose mail in HTML format.

All goes well except that the HTML signature:

beginning with:



  is modified this way:

   

HOW to avoid this modification ?

Hmm!! I just checked and I, apparently, don't have the word 'body' 
anywhere in my about:config file, so no pref for 'body text'!!


Is this because I don't compose in HTML??



I don't think you would find it in about:config even if you did 
compose in HTML.


It is probably provided by the Composition component of the MailNews 
Core product. I could be wrong.


 



You are probably true ...but it's a pity that SM modify the text-color 
(changing to GREY) of the html-signature where the color is BLACK.


I think that i found the solution - using about:config I do a search for 
99 and I found the "msgcompose.text_color" variable with "user set" 
string at "#99"

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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[WaltS48]

On 4/26/19 9:15 AM, Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 26/04/2019 5:08 PM:


Normally I compose mail in HTML format.

All goes well except that the HTML signature:

beginning with:



  is modified this way:

   

HOW to avoid this modification ?

Hmm!! I just checked and I, apparently, don't have the word 'body' 
anywhere in my about:config file, so no pref for 'body text'!!


Is this because I don't compose in HTML??



I don't think you would find it in about:config even if you did compose 
in HTML.


It is probably provided by the Composition component of the MailNews 
Core product. I could be wrong.




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Re: How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Daniel]

Ray_Net wrote on 26/04/2019 5:08 PM:


Normally I compose mail in HTML format.

All goes well except that the HTML signature:

beginning with:



  is modified this way:

   

HOW to avoid this modification ?

Hmm!! I just checked and I, apparently, don't have the word 'body' 
anywhere in my about:config file, so no pref for 'body text'!!


Is this because I don't compose in HTML??

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Re: Staying alive

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no SeaMonkey in 
the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't have the time 
to support paid people.


The plan is to discontinue 2.49 after 2.49.5. 2.49.5 is more or less at ESR 
60.2. Further backporting is too costly right now.
I am now somehwere around ESR60.3 with 2.53 and some patches up to current 
trunk are in to. Looking what is missing wrt l10n to get this into release 
shape after 2.49.5.


Imho overall the source is in better shape than it ever was. It is just not 
enough because you are working against people who don't care and rip out what 
they don't like. They may call it a plan. I don't.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:
There aren't enough developers and they probably could use some financial 
help. I think they are putting in a valiant effort but may be facing a bit of 
burnout.

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How to have a BLACK body text in the Signature Part ?

[Ray_Net]

Normally I compose mail in HTML format.

All goes well except that the HTML signature:

beginning with:



 is modified this way:

  

HOW to avoid this modification ?

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

[Daniel]

Ant wrote on 25/04/2019 6:55 PM:

On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the 
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify 
itself as Firefox!


Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking

It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser that 
says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But web 
designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box.


Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to sniff 
SM's UA correctly.


Ant, years ago, it was suggested that a better solution would be if, 
rather then sniffing for "Firefox", 'They' sniffed for "Gecko" which 
is/was used in the User Agent of Firefox, SeaMonkey, and a few other 
browsers as well.


Didn't happen. Isn't going to happen! Unfortunately!!
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Re: Boolean Expressions in filters ..... Possible??

[Daniel]

NFN Smith wrote on 26/04/2019 4:55 AM:

Daniel wrote:
I'm trying to set up some filters to apply to some/all of my UseNet 
groups, and I think they would effectively be Boolean Expressions, so 
I'm wondering if they are possible??


Some examples might be .

1.    If Lines>99  Total Posts=1 then Mark as Read.
 (i.e. a very long post/rant that no one replied to)

2.    If TotalPosts  Unread then Mark as Read.
 (Maybe a responder is already the subject of a filter, so their
 posts would already be Mark as Read, so get rid of the thread.)

3.    If Newsgroups  ParticularNewsgroup then Mark as Read.
 (Some groups seem to attract REAL loonies, so if those groups
 are cross-posted to, I'm not interested in thread)



I've found the filters capacity of Mozilla's mail clients (both 
Thunderbird and Seamonkey) to be somewhat limited.


I will suggest that your request of "boolean" is misplaced.  Boolean 
addresses the logic of AND, OR and NOT -- essentially grouping 
conditions there. Personally, I find it frustrating that there's no 
capacity for mixing AND and OR with parens -- e.g., "x AND (y OR z) AND 
NOT a".  Filters with multiple conditions are pretty much limited to 
"match all" or "match any", and that's it.


However, your question isn't really related to Boolean operators, so 
much as what kinds of conditions you can include in your filters.


For items 1 and 2, I don't believe that's possible within the existing 
structure.  These are ones that take calculation (and likely, 
interaction with the news server itself).  There's a lot of different 
servers that support nntp, but I'm not aware of any of them that will 
allow a remote client to interact at this level.


For item 3, I think you can do a filter that will trigger if a 
particular group is listed in the Newsgroups: header.


In the filters dialog, there is a setting for "Custom", but for the most 
part, I think it's limited to checking specific header entries.


Although I've noted annoyance at the limitations of what can be done 
with filters, the reality is that I think changes will never show up in 
Seamonkey.  Anything that comes is going to have to originate in 
Thunderbird, and I've seen little indication over a lot of years that 
the TB developers have any interest in trying to make any significant 
changes there.


That said, I know that there's a Thunderbird extension called 
FiltaQuilla 
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/filtaquilla/.  I've 
never tried it, and have no idea if it will run in Seamonkey, or not. 
That might give you a little more capacity, but a quick check indicates 
it's more mail-focused than anything that will change much in handling 
of news messages.


Realistically, if you want more filters handling with news than you're 
already seeing with Seamonkey, you'll probably need to look for other 
news clients. And even then, some of what you're asking for is likely 
not to be offered in any news client.


Smith

Yeap, that's about what I thought, Smithy, but you never know if you 
don't ask!!


Thanks.

Daniel

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

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On 4/25/2019 2:14 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 25-04-19 10:55:

On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the 
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify 
itself as Firefox!


Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking

It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser 
that says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But 
web designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box.


Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to 
sniff SM's UA correctly.


I think that they don't care about a dying product 


It's still worth a shot. I already left them a feedback last night. 
Everyone should in here. ;)

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