Re: A new SeaMonkey web forum!

[EE]

Felix Miata wrote:

EE composed on 2019-10-14 13:41 (UTC-0700):


Felix Miata wrote:




should work for a while.



How do you get into the pages?  All I can find is summeries and dates, not the
actual pages from the site.


Methinks the wayback machine is currently useless. Links clicked produce no
response in Firefox, Chromium or SeaMonkey. I don't remember it ever failing to
work before. Try again later or tomorrow.



I find that I can explore to some extent with Safari, but not with SeaMonkey. 
If I try to follow links from there, I get out of the Wayback Machine, which 
pages still work for now, but for how long?

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Re: Lost Key Message

[Larry S.]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

Fumble fingers strikes again! Can any one direct me to the 
information about the latest Seamonkey release? I was keeping it, but 
then managed to delete it anyhow.


Ready now to d/l it, but managed to lose the reference.


You don't need to save or bookmark anything. In any browser window, 
just click the SeaMonkey icon at the far right of the toolbar (this 
has been true for years). If you want more detailed info, click 
"Release Notes" in the top middle of that page.


The recommendation for this release is:
1) back up your profile;
2) uninstall the previous version;
3) install the new version.

HTH



Not that uninstalling the previous version is a bad idea, but: I thought 
it was only essential if moving between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions.


I think you are correct. I removed the earlier version first, but now 
that I re-read the instructions prior to d/l, it says "install SeaMonkey 
2.49.5 manually over the previous version."


Larry S.
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Re: Lost Key Message

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

Fumble fingers strikes again! Can any one direct me to the information 
about the latest Seamonkey release? I was keeping it, but then managed 
to delete it anyhow.


Ready now to d/l it, but managed to lose the reference.


You don't need to save or bookmark anything. In any browser window, just 
click the SeaMonkey icon at the far right of the toolbar (this has been 
true for years). If you want more detailed info, click "Release Notes" 
in the top middle of that page.


The recommendation for this release is:
1) back up your profile;
2) uninstall the previous version;
3) install the new version.

HTH



Not that uninstalling the previous version is a bad idea, but: I thought 
it was only essential if moving between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions.


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Re: Lost Key Message

[Larry S.]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

Fumble fingers strikes again! Can any one direct me to the information 
about the latest Seamonkey release? I was keeping it, but then managed 
to delete it anyhow.


Ready now to d/l it, but managed to lose the reference.


You don't need to save or bookmark anything. In any browser window, just 
click the SeaMonkey icon at the far right of the toolbar (this has been 
true for years). If you want more detailed info, click "Release Notes" 
in the top middle of that page.


The recommendation for this release is:
1) back up your profile;
2) uninstall the previous version;
3) install the new version.

HTH

Thank you--in a moment of forgetfulness, I'd forgotten that. Cleaning up 
my profile now.


Larry S.
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Re: Lost Key Message

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Larry S. wrote:

Fumble fingers strikes again! Can any one direct me to the information 
about the latest Seamonkey release? I was keeping it, but then managed 
to delete it anyhow.


Ready now to d/l it, but managed to lose the reference.


You don't need to save or bookmark anything. In any browser window, just 
click the SeaMonkey icon at the far right of the toolbar (this has been 
true for years). If you want more detailed info, click "Release Notes" 
in the top middle of that page.


The recommendation for this release is:
1) back up your profile;
2) uninstall the previous version;
3) install the new version.

HTH

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
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Lost Key Message

[Larry S.]

Fumble fingers strikes again! Can any one direct me to the information 
about the latest Seamonkey release? I was keeping it, but then managed 
to delete it anyhow.


Ready now to d/l it, but managed to lose the reference.

Larry S.
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Re: newer machine search (was: Ubuntuzilla install of Seamonkey 2.49.5 missing file)

[MRoss-GMX]

Tue, 15 Oct 2019 05:03 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
MRoss-GMX composed on 2019-10-14 25:33 (UTC-0500):


Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:31 -0400 Jonathan N. Little wrote:



I think your problem is the GMA 950 old Intel video. Support problems
with newer kernels. You can try editing the boot parameter in grub and add



i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
supposed to fix it.



I wondered about the graphics sys in this thing, so will try it. Been
a while since I edited GRUB. Carefully!



But you do have really old hardware. A newer T430 are going for @
$100-$150 comes with a 3-4 gen i5. I have a L530 I bought a few years
ago $200 running 18.04 no problems.



I am looking for a newer machine, just not up to date on which is
best, and overloaded with other matters.



GMA was the last Intel GPU generation before Intel moved the GPU from the
Northbridge to the CPU die. Those since then have proven quite reliable with
Linux, and with very respectable performance, not infrequently on par with 
higher
cost discrete GPUs from NVidia and AMD.

Don't let yourself get confused with generations. The numbers for the chipsets 
and
CPUs are different from those for the GPUs. I use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units for 
keeping
things straight.

If you're looking for good value, look for any of the off-lease "refurbs" made
since around 2010. I have 3 Dell Optiplex 760 and 780 models with the last of 
the
GMAs (Gen4) that were the first to do x264 video playback in hardware, very 
decent
compared to early GMAs like the 950, but newer custom builts from 2013 (Haswell 
by
MSI) and 2018 (Kaby Lake by Asus & Gigabyte) that are considerably better. Best
long term value is probably in the 3-4 years old range, Broadwell/Gen8.

Both Intel and AMD are well supported by free drivers, while NVidia continues to
withhold specifications, which forces FOSS driver writers to reverse engineer,
which in turn forces many of its Linux users to use its proprietary drivers that
are often difficult to keep in sync with kernel upgrades.


This is where real working solutions are found; user forums providing
ref from users of hardware, OSs, and application software like
Seamonkey. And what works is important, yet what does not work is
important too; what needs avoided, what does not mix. Thanks to all
who donate to this info.

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Re: newer machine search (was: Ubuntuzilla install of Seamonkey 2.49.5 missing file)

[Felix Miata]

MRoss-GMX composed on 2019-10-14 25:33 (UTC-0500):

>> Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:31 -0400 Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>> I think your problem is the GMA 950 old Intel video. Support problems
>> with newer kernels. You can try editing the boot parameter in grub and add

>> i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
>> supposed to fix it.

> I wondered about the graphics sys in this thing, so will try it. Been
> a while since I edited GRUB. Carefully!

>> But you do have really old hardware. A newer T430 are going for @
>> $100-$150 comes with a 3-4 gen i5. I have a L530 I bought a few years
>> ago $200 running 18.04 no problems.

> I am looking for a newer machine, just not up to date on which is
> best, and overloaded with other matters.
GMA was the last Intel GPU generation before Intel moved the GPU from the
Northbridge to the CPU die. Those since then have proven quite reliable with
Linux, and with very respectable performance, not infrequently on par with 
higher
cost discrete GPUs from NVidia and AMD.

Don't let yourself get confused with generations. The numbers for the chipsets 
and
CPUs are different from those for the GPUs. I use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units for 
keeping
things straight.

If you're looking for good value, look for any of the off-lease "refurbs" made
since around 2010. I have 3 Dell Optiplex 760 and 780 models with the last of 
the
GMAs (Gen4) that were the first to do x264 video playback in hardware, very 
decent
compared to early GMAs like the 950, but newer custom builts from 2013 (Haswell 
by
MSI) and 2018 (Kaby Lake by Asus & Gigabyte) that are considerably better. Best
long term value is probably in the 3-4 years old range, Broadwell/Gen8.

Both Intel and AMD are well supported by free drivers, while NVidia continues to
withhold specifications, which forces FOSS driver writers to reverse engineer,
which in turn forces many of its Linux users to use its proprietary drivers that
are often difficult to keep in sync with kernel upgrades.
-- 
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 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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Re: Ubuntuzilla install of Seamonkey 2.49.5 missing file

[GerardJan]

MRoss-GMX wrote on 10/15/2019 05:33 AM:

Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:31 -0400 Jonathan N. Little wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

I could also use one partition on the Lenovo R60e to install a newer
Ubuntu or other package, maybe Lubuntu of at least 14.04 LTS if
available, 16.04 LTS if necessary. If it crashes it is only that
partition, lest GRUB get hurt. I suspect a GRUB problem for a while
now, and no update to it for years. What a mess. I delayed too long.


I think your problem is the GMA 950 old Intel video. Support problems
with newer kernels. You can try editing the boot parameter in grub and add

i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
supposed to fix it.


I wondered about the graphics sys in this thing, so will try it. Been
a while since I edited GRUB. Carefully!


But you do have really old hardware. A newer T430 are going for @
$100-$150 comes with a 3-4 gen i5. I have a L530 I bought a few years
ago $200 running 18.04 no problems.


I am looking for a newer machine, just not up to date on which is
best, and overloaded with other matters.


 I have an ASUS desktop with 4GB RAM and an inbuilt Intel Graphics, I am very 
happy with it..


Thanks!

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M.RossARR
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Re: A new SeaMonkey web forum! (OT)

[GerardJan]

Ant wrote on 10/14/2019 09:53 PM:

On 10/13/2019 3:49 PM, meagain wrote:

 Original Message 
Why is this old ant still sick daily and almost all day, but with a nasty 
allergy (leaks, sneezes, and itches)? No cold, flu like from the end of 
August from this stupid old body, etc. :(


Get Well soon Ant!


Thanks, Meagain. :)


+yes mi tambien

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