Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 casualty: Netflix?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ant wrote:
> On 3/3/2020 6:57 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Well is seems after update from 2.49.5 Netflix no longer works. Breaks
>> Silverlight?
> 
> I don't use Netflix, but I noticed my Silverlight plugin was not listed
> in SM's plugins list. :(

Yes that's what the difference is now. 2.49.5 seems to drop the plugin.

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Re: 2.53.1, IMAP, and RSS Feeds

[ozric01]

Am 03.03.2020 um 11:44 schrieb root:

Currently running 2.53.1 on Puppy Linux (Bionic Pup 8.0).
My lone issue with sound in the browser now resolved, I am also 
experiencing an annoyance with the Mail and Newsreader.


I have one IMAP account setup for email and I have several RSS feeds in 
the newsreader.


Whenever I select a folder in the Folder Pane to review the messages 
within that folder, the corresponding view in the Thread Pane does not 
update.  The messages shown in the Thread Pane, after selecting a new 
folder, are the messages that were shown in the previously selected folder.


In order for the Thread Pane to update, I must select a different folder 
in the Folder Pane and then select the desired folder a second time.


This behavior is more likely to occur when switching from an RSS feed 
folder to an IMAP folder or doing the reverse.  While switching between 
IMAP folders this behavior occurs less often and the same holds true 
when switching between RSS feed folders.


I notice zero difference if different layouts are used.  I have deleted 
all MSF files in the IMAP and RSS storage areas and I did notice a brief 
respite from this issue but that lasts for only a few minutes.


Thoughts and suggestions welcomed...thanks in advance.





I can confirm the issue for all kind of folders in the Folder Pane (POP, 
IMAP, RSS, Local).

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 and Extensions -- addons.thunderbird.net

[Ant]

On 3/3/2020 3:15 PM, rodney wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 3/1/2020 10:59 AM, Onno Ekker wrote:
...

Anyway, the new version is out on addons.thunderbird.net and was
reviewed very fast, so it is available for download/installation in
SeaMonkey 2.53.1, despite the name of the website :-)


That is confusing. Why doesn't the organization use 
addons.seamonkey-project.org? :(

Addons are hosted on a Thunderbird server.


Can't SeaMonkey use their domain name with addons.thunderbird.net?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 and Extensions -- addons.thunderbird.net

[rodney via support-seamonkey]

Ant wrote:

On 3/1/2020 10:59 AM, Onno Ekker wrote:
...

Anyway, the new version is out on addons.thunderbird.net and was
reviewed very fast, so it is available for download/installation in
SeaMonkey 2.53.1, despite the name of the website :-)


That is confusing. Why doesn't the organization use 
addons.seamonkey-project.org? :(

Addons are hosted on a Thunderbird server.
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Re: Problems with SM 2.53.1

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

EE wrote on 3/03/2020 6:18 AM:

Daniel wrote:

EE wrote on 1/03/2020 6:17 PM:
I am using MacOS with SeaMonkey 2.53.1, but according to "About 
SeaMonkey", my user-agent is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; 
x64; rv:0.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/0.0 Lightning/5.8.1.
If I check headers exchanged with web servers using Live HTTP 
Headers, I am apparently not sending any user-agent.  What is wrong 
with the user-agent reporting?  I am also unable to spoof my 
user-agent.


EE, I have my SeaMonkey set up to display the message User Agent as 
part of the Message Header information and you header is showing as 
'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:0.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/0.0'


Note: No mention of Lightning.

I have no idea why you think you are not sending a UA

If you want to spoof your User Agent, you can do that by 
'customising' you Preferences/Configuration. Let us know if you 
really want to do that!! It's relatively easy.


After going through my entire list of settings, I found out that the 
cause is in about:config.

privacy.resistFingerprinting - if set to true
I have no idea what that has to do with changing my user-agent, but 
the user-agent is now normal after changing the setting to false.


O.K., so things are working for you then??

They are finally working.  i have had to wrestle with more than one 
problem, but I think I licked them all.


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Re: 2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered appropriately

[Tristan Miller]

Greetings.

On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 18:54:50 +0100, Frank-Rainer Grahl
 wrote:
> Don't use NSS > 3.48 or you will have problems upgrading. 
> Unless you patched the source or use non standard build options it no
> longer builds the dbm backend needed for migration.

Thanks, that's good to know. I take it that all we need to do for this
particular issue, then, is to use the --enable-legacy-db flag when
building NSS?

Regards,
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Re: SM 2.53.1 file bookmark

[David E. Ross]

On 3/3/2020 11:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> Ray Davison wrote:
>> WaltS48 via support-seamonkey wrote:
 The Ctrl-D function in recent SM, WG9 and Pale Moon are all unusable 
 but not for all the same reason.

 Someone apparently decided to "improve" things.

 Ray

>>>
>>> Not seeing a problem with Ctrl+D here using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux 
>>> x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1.
>>>
>>> Will try on Win10 tomorrow.
>>
>> This is under W7.
>>
>> Do you see that the "Save" button is moved and is now "Done"?
>>
>> Ray
>>
> 
> Was it a "Save" button before?
> 
> Somebody mentioned "Ctrl+D" was unusable or cutoff. I don't see a problem.
> 

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5

It is Save in 2.49.5.

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Re: SM 2.53.1 file bookmark

[WaltS48 via support-seamonkey]

Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 via support-seamonkey wrote:
The Ctrl-D function in recent SM, WG9 and Pale Moon are all unusable 
but not for all the same reason.


Someone apparently decided to "improve" things.

Ray



Not seeing a problem with Ctrl+D here using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux 
x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1.


Will try on Win10 tomorrow.


This is under W7.

Do you see that the "Save" button is moved and is now "Done"?

Ray



Was it a "Save" button before?

Somebody mentioned "Ctrl+D" was unusable or cutoff. I don't see a problem.
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Re: SM 2.53.1 file bookmark

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 via support-seamonkey wrote:
The Ctrl-D function in recent SM, WG9 and Pale Moon are all unusable 
but not for all the same reason.


Someone apparently decided to "improve" things.

Ray



Not seeing a problem with Ctrl+D here using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux 
x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1.


Will try on Win10 tomorrow.


This is under W7.

Do you see that the "Save" button is moved and is now "Done"?

Ray

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 casualty: Netflix?

[Ant]

On 3/3/2020 6:57 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Well is seems after update from 2.49.5 Netflix no longer works. Breaks
Silverlight?


I don't use Netflix, but I noticed my Silverlight plugin was not listed 
in SM's plugins list. :(

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Re: 2.53.1, IMAP, and RSS Feeds

[WaltS48]

On 3/3/20 12:25 PM, root wrote:
I don't think we are having the same issue...my issue is not about 
frequency of updates to RSS feeds...I am having trouble with the Thread 
Pane updating when different folders are selected in the Folder Pane.


I'm not seeing any problem so far in my testing of Anastatia's problem.

Can't update if there isn't any new feeds from the source.



Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

root wrote:

Currently running 2.53.1 on Puppy Linux (Bionic Pup 8.0).
My lone issue with sound in the browser now resolved, I am also 
experiencing an annoyance with the Mail and Newsreader.


I have one IMAP account setup for email and I have several RSS feeds 
in the newsreader.


Whenever I select a folder in the Folder Pane to review the messages 
within that folder, the corresponding view in the Thread Pane does 
not update.  The messages shown in the Thread Pane, after selecting a 
new folder, are the messages that were shown in the previously 
selected folder.


In order for the Thread Pane to update, I must select a different 
folder in the Folder Pane and then select the desired folder a second 
time.


This behavior is more likely to occur when switching from an RSS feed 
folder to an IMAP folder or doing the reverse.  While switching 
between IMAP folders this behavior occurs less often and the same 
holds true when switching between RSS feed folders.


I notice zero difference if different layouts are used.  I have 
deleted all MSF files in the IMAP and RSS storage areas and I did 
notice a brief respite from this issue but that lasts for only a few 
minutes.


Thoughts and suggestions welcomed...thanks in advance.





I know zilch about RSS, but is this the same problem as Anastasia 
Perevozniuk is reporting in the "The problem with RSS in Seamonkey 
2.53.1 Beta" thread above?






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Re: 2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered appropriately

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Tristan Miller wrote:

Dear all,

I'm attempting to package SeaMonkey 2.53.1 for openSUSE and am running
up against the build error "NSModules are not ordered appropriately".
This is triggered by the script
mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/action/check_binary.py, which checks
that symbols have a certain ordering (with
start_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the beginning and
end_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the end).

This same problem was previously reported upstream at
 but seems to have
been solved there long ago.  Web searches indicate that the problem
is/was related to the use of LTO to compile libxul.so, though I'm not
sure if that's the case here.  In theory SeaMonkey itself is now set up
to disable LTO when building libxul.so, though maybe that workaround
isn't getting properly applied in our build?

Any hints or advice would be appreciated.  The following information is
available in case it helps:

A full build log for openSUSE Tumbleweed
(x86_64):  The error
message is on line 80596, near the end of the file.

The mozconfig file: 

The OBS project containing the RPM spec file, patches, etc.:
 



Regards,
Tristan



I am not sure if gcc 9 is already usable. I would suggest using clang 8 or gcc 
8 if possible. Bug 1470127 has been backported but maybe not all fixes are 
currently in the tree. Official mzoconfigs are in Bug 1612722 but don't look 
much different. Don't use NSS > 3.48 or you will have problems upgrading. 
Unless you patched the source or use non standard build options it no longer 
builds the dbm backend needed for migration.


FRG


Could you check if this helps:
https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c999baadc2d5

FRG
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Re: 2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered appropriately

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Tristan Miller wrote:

Dear all,

I'm attempting to package SeaMonkey 2.53.1 for openSUSE and am running
up against the build error "NSModules are not ordered appropriately".
This is triggered by the script
mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/action/check_binary.py, which checks
that symbols have a certain ordering (with
start_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the beginning and
end_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the end).

This same problem was previously reported upstream at
 but seems to have
been solved there long ago.  Web searches indicate that the problem
is/was related to the use of LTO to compile libxul.so, though I'm not
sure if that's the case here.  In theory SeaMonkey itself is now set up
to disable LTO when building libxul.so, though maybe that workaround
isn't getting properly applied in our build?

Any hints or advice would be appreciated.  The following information is
available in case it helps:

A full build log for openSUSE Tumbleweed
(x86_64):  The error
message is on line 80596, near the end of the file.

The mozconfig file: 

The OBS project containing the RPM spec file, patches, etc.:


Regards,
Tristan



I am not sure if gcc 9 is already usable. I would suggest using clang 8 or gcc 
8 if possible. Bug 1470127 has been backported but maybe not all fixes are 
currently in the tree. Official mzoconfigs are in Bug 1612722 but don't look 
much different. Don't use NSS > 3.48 or you will have problems upgrading. 
Unless you patched the source or use non standard build options it no longer 
builds the dbm backend needed for migration.


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Re: 2.53.1, IMAP, and RSS Feeds

[root]

I don't think we are having the same issue...my issue is not about 
frequency of updates to RSS feeds...I am having trouble with the Thread 
Pane updating when different folders are selected in the Folder Pane.


Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

root wrote:

Currently running 2.53.1 on Puppy Linux (Bionic Pup 8.0).
My lone issue with sound in the browser now resolved, I am also 
experiencing an annoyance with the Mail and Newsreader.


I have one IMAP account setup for email and I have several RSS feeds 
in the newsreader.


Whenever I select a folder in the Folder Pane to review the messages 
within that folder, the corresponding view in the Thread Pane does not 
update.  The messages shown in the Thread Pane, after selecting a new 
folder, are the messages that were shown in the previously selected 
folder.


In order for the Thread Pane to update, I must select a different 
folder in the Folder Pane and then select the desired folder a second 
time.


This behavior is more likely to occur when switching from an RSS feed 
folder to an IMAP folder or doing the reverse.  While switching 
between IMAP folders this behavior occurs less often and the same 
holds true when switching between RSS feed folders.


I notice zero difference if different layouts are used.  I have 
deleted all MSF files in the IMAP and RSS storage areas and I did 
notice a brief respite from this issue but that lasts for only a few 
minutes.


Thoughts and suggestions welcomed...thanks in advance.





I know zilch about RSS, but is this the same problem as Anastasia 
Perevozniuk is reporting in the "The problem with RSS in Seamonkey 
2.53.1 Beta" thread above?




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Re: 2.53.1, IMAP, and RSS Feeds

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

root wrote:

Currently running 2.53.1 on Puppy Linux (Bionic Pup 8.0).
My lone issue with sound in the browser now resolved, I am also 
experiencing an annoyance with the Mail and Newsreader.


I have one IMAP account setup for email and I have several RSS feeds in 
the newsreader.


Whenever I select a folder in the Folder Pane to review the messages 
within that folder, the corresponding view in the Thread Pane does not 
update.  The messages shown in the Thread Pane, after selecting a new 
folder, are the messages that were shown in the previously selected folder.


In order for the Thread Pane to update, I must select a different folder 
in the Folder Pane and then select the desired folder a second time.


This behavior is more likely to occur when switching from an RSS feed 
folder to an IMAP folder or doing the reverse.  While switching between 
IMAP folders this behavior occurs less often and the same holds true 
when switching between RSS feed folders.


I notice zero difference if different layouts are used.  I have deleted 
all MSF files in the IMAP and RSS storage areas and I did notice a brief 
respite from this issue but that lasts for only a few minutes.


Thoughts and suggestions welcomed...thanks in advance.





I know zilch about RSS, but is this the same problem as Anastasia 
Perevozniuk is reporting in the "The problem with RSS in Seamonkey 
2.53.1 Beta" thread above?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 casualty: Netflix?

[NFN Smith]

Thomas Pamin wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Well is seems after update from 2.49.5 Netflix no longer works. Breaks
Silverlight?

Didn't work for me either. Just got off chat with Netflix. They only 
support Edge, Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Edge works for me so they 
recommend that. Not sure if SM can be spoofed to work or not.


My suspicion is that Netflix simply doesn't want to bother with 
Seamonkey, not that there's an underlying problem with capabilities. 
Thus, I suggest spoofing.  If you don't have PrefBar to do spoofing on 
the fly, what you may want to do to go to about:config and do a prefs.js 
entry to show the older version for just Netflix:


  general.useragent.override.netflix.com  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 
Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5


Or you could use the same setting and simply spoof a current version of 
Firefox:


  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:73.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/73.0


If they're complaining about Seamonkey, chances are pretty good that 
they're also throwing errors for accesses from PaleMoon and Waterfox.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 casualty: Netflix?

[Thomas Pamin]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Well is seems after update from 2.49.5 Netflix no longer works. Breaks
Silverlight?

Didn't work for me either. Just got off chat with Netflix. They only 
support Edge, Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Edge works for me so they 
recommend that. Not sure if SM can be spoofed to work or not.

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SeaMonkey 2.53.1 casualty: Netflix?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Well is seems after update from 2.49.5 Netflix no longer works. Breaks
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2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered appropriately

[Tristan Miller]

Dear all,

I'm attempting to package SeaMonkey 2.53.1 for openSUSE and am running
up against the build error "NSModules are not ordered appropriately".
This is triggered by the script
mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/action/check_binary.py, which checks
that symbols have a certain ordering (with
start_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the beginning and
end_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the end).

This same problem was previously reported upstream at
 but seems to have
been solved there long ago.  Web searches indicate that the problem
is/was related to the use of LTO to compile libxul.so, though I'm not
sure if that's the case here.  In theory SeaMonkey itself is now set up
to disable LTO when building libxul.so, though maybe that workaround
isn't getting properly applied in our build?

Any hints or advice would be appreciated.  The following information is
available in case it helps:

A full build log for openSUSE Tumbleweed
(x86_64):  The error
message is on line 80596, near the end of the file.

The mozconfig file: 

The OBS project containing the RPM spec file, patches, etc.:


Regards,
Tristan

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2.53.1, IMAP, and RSS Feeds

[root]

Currently running 2.53.1 on Puppy Linux (Bionic Pup 8.0).
My lone issue with sound in the browser now resolved, I am also 
experiencing an annoyance with the Mail and Newsreader.


I have one IMAP account setup for email and I have several RSS feeds in 
the newsreader.


Whenever I select a folder in the Folder Pane to review the messages 
within that folder, the corresponding view in the Thread Pane does not 
update.  The messages shown in the Thread Pane, after selecting a new 
folder, are the messages that were shown in the previously selected folder.


In order for the Thread Pane to update, I must select a different folder 
in the Folder Pane and then select the desired folder a second time.


This behavior is more likely to occur when switching from an RSS feed 
folder to an IMAP folder or doing the reverse.  While switching between 
IMAP folders this behavior occurs less often and the same holds true 
when switching between RSS feed folders.


I notice zero difference if different layouts are used.  I have deleted 
all MSF files in the IMAP and RSS storage areas and I did notice a brief 
respite from this issue but that lasts for only a few minutes.


Thoughts and suggestions welcomed...thanks in advance.





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Re: Problems with SM 2.53.1

[Daniel]

EE wrote on 3/03/2020 6:18 AM:

Daniel wrote:

EE wrote on 1/03/2020 6:17 PM:
I am using MacOS with SeaMonkey 2.53.1, but according to "About 
SeaMonkey", my user-agent is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; 
x64; rv:0.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/0.0 Lightning/5.8.1.
If I check headers exchanged with web servers using Live HTTP 
Headers, I am apparently not sending any user-agent.  What is wrong 
with the user-agent reporting?  I am also unable to spoof my user-agent.


EE, I have my SeaMonkey set up to display the message User Agent as 
part of the Message Header information and you header is showing as 
'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:0.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/0.0'


Note: No mention of Lightning.

I have no idea why you think you are not sending a UA

If you want to spoof your User Agent, you can do that by 'customising' 
you Preferences/Configuration. Let us know if you really want to do 
that!! It's relatively easy.


After going through my entire list of settings, I found out that the 
cause is in about:config.

privacy.resistFingerprinting - if set to true
I have no idea what that has to do with changing my user-agent, but the 
user-agent is now normal after changing the setting to false.


O.K., so things are working for you then??

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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